What Happens When Americans Find Out At End Of The Day They Are Still Going To Catch COVID-19?

[berg80]

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY.

If a Dem said that you'd be screaming about how he/she was fomenting panic.

 

[ColonelAngus]

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY.

If a Dem said that you'd be screaming about how he/she was fomenting panic.

Do you have evidence from Swine in 2009?

 

[colfax_m]

Given the consequences of getting it wrong, caution is advised.

Caution? Agreed.

Betting our economy / future on the worst-case scenario about a little know new virus (that is most dangerous to those approx. 80yo and who have existing respiratory / immune problems)? Not so much, at least not for me.

Yeah, I don’t think that’s a very compelling argument. You’re basically saying you’re willing to sacrifice the elderly and infirm for money.

And you will sacrifice the world's economy to possibly a depression which would probably kill even more than the virus in time............

How are people going to die because the economy contracts?

I said a DEPRESSION.........now do you wish to retract that statement...........a clue........I'm talking the world here .........not just us.

I think you’re being over dramatic with your all caps “depression” talk.

 

[eagle1462010]

Caution? Agreed.

Betting our economy / future on the worst-case scenario about a little know new virus (that is most dangerous to those approx. 80yo and who have existing respiratory / immune problems)? Not so much, at least not for me.

Yeah, I don’t think that’s a very compelling argument. You’re basically saying you’re willing to sacrifice the elderly and infirm for money.

And you will sacrifice the world's economy to possibly a depression which would probably kill even more than the virus in time............

How are people going to die because the economy contracts?

I said a DEPRESSION.........now do you wish to retract that statement...........a clue........I'm talking the world here .........not just us.

I think you’re being over dramatic with your all caps “depression” talk.

LOL

Don't TRY TO THINK MUCH.......the 2 cells you have left in your head may collide and cause you to fall down wehn walkiing.

 

[colfax_m]

my question at this point is -

what is the cost of letting this run it's course
vs
what is the cost of hiding from it in hopes we're simply buying time so few can afford

Buying time is crucial. If we didn’t take measures to slow spread, we would crush the medial system, as is the case in Italy. It would be shorter, but devastating to lives.

If we distance and slow spread, even if there are the same number of cases overall, then the medial system isn’t overwhelmed at any one point in time and potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives.

Hundreds of thousands? Really? How many have died so far worldwide?

Nearly 500 people in Italy died yesterday.

But it’s not just Coronavirus. If the medical system is swamped with those cases, people needing medical care for other issues will have a harder time getting it.

 

[colfax_m]

Yeah, I don’t think that’s a very compelling argument. You’re basically saying you’re willing to sacrifice the elderly and infirm for money.

And you will sacrifice the world's economy to possibly a depression which would probably kill even more than the virus in time............

How are people going to die because the economy contracts?

I said a DEPRESSION.........now do you wish to retract that statement...........a clue........I'm talking the world here .........not just us.

I think you’re being over dramatic with your all caps “depression” talk.

LOL

Don't TRY TO THINK MUCH.......the 2 cells you have left in your head may collide and cause you to fall down wehn walkiing.

No need to be nasty. Life is hard enough without people speaking to each other that way.

 

[colfax_m]

Given the consequences of getting it wrong, caution is advised.

Caution? Agreed.

Betting our economy / future on the worst-case scenario about a little know new virus (that is most dangerous to those approx. 80yo and who have existing respiratory / immune problems)? Not so much, at least not for me.

Yeah, I don’t think that’s a very compelling argument. You’re basically saying you’re willing to sacrifice the elderly and infirm for money.

And you will sacrifice the world's economy to possibly a depression which would probably kill even more than the virus in time............

How are people going to die because the economy contracts?

Hmmm, did you really asked that question?

High Unemployment mean higher crime rates which mean people robbing, dealing drugs or being in illegal activities that lead to higher death rates and also when a Depression happens that is World Wide, well wars break out and people die...

Do not believe me then read a History Book...

Interesting. So by this logic, the economic collapse of 2008 should have seen a dramatic increase in murder rate.

Can you point that out?

 

[iceberg]

Given the consequences of getting it wrong, caution is advised.

Caution? Agreed.

Betting our economy / future on the worst-case scenario about a little know new virus (that is most dangerous to those approx. 80yo and who have existing respiratory / immune problems)? Not so much, at least not for me.

Yeah, I don’t think that’s a very compelling argument. You’re basically saying you’re willing to sacrifice the elderly and infirm for money.

And you will sacrifice the world's economy to possibly a depression which would probably kill even more than the virus in time............

How are people going to die because the economy contracts?

Dunno. How many?

 

[hadit]

my question at this point is -

what is the cost of letting this run it's course
vs
what is the cost of hiding from it in hopes we're simply buying time so few can afford

Buying time is crucial. If we didn’t take measures to slow spread, we would crush the medial system, as is the case in Italy. It would be shorter, but devastating to lives.

If we distance and slow spread, even if there are the same number of cases overall, then the medial system isn’t overwhelmed at any one point in time and potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives.

Hundreds of thousands? Really? How many have died so far worldwide?

Nearly 500 people in Italy died yesterday.

But it’s not just Coronavirus. If the medical system is swamped with those cases, people needing medical care for other issues will have a harder time getting it.

Without panic, most people who contract the virus get over it quickly and don't need medical attention. With panic, they flood the system for every sniffle.

 

[eagle1462010]

And you will sacrifice the world's economy to possibly a depression which would probably kill even more than the virus in time............

How are people going to die because the economy contracts?

I said a DEPRESSION.........now do you wish to retract that statement...........a clue........I'm talking the world here .........not just us.

I think you’re being over dramatic with your all caps “depression” talk.

LOL

Don't TRY TO THINK MUCH.......the 2 cells you have left in your head may collide and cause you to fall down wehn walkiing.

No need to be nasty. Life is hard enough without people speaking to each other that way.

PC is overrated.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Without panic, most people who contract the virus get over it quickly and don't need medical attention. With panic, they flood the system for every sniffle.

Make no mistake, panic was the very intent of this entire bullshit.

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[WEATHER53]

Better question is what will they do when they find out it’s an exaggerated liberty taker. Going to be hard to get that fact info out as Media will totally quash anything counter to their agenda

 

[Rye Catcher]

Government-Imposed / Enforced Shelter-In-Place

Government-Imposed Economic Shutdown (Closure of almost all businesses)

Government-Imposed Unemployment (millions losing their jobs due to closure of businesses)

Government-Facilitated Stock Market Plunge (Above decisions and more causing fear in Market)

Imposed Social Distancing as justification to prevent the spread of COVID-19.....

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY. IS / WAS IT WORTH IT?



Questioning the Clampdown
Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

Opinion | Questioning the Clampdown

'Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

This demand will come largely from the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. A silver lining will be fewer cold and flu victims overall thanks to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending a lot more than we’ve ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths. Eighty-three percent of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by health care. This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?

Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?'



.

Yeah, you go ahead.

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Research is on going, and has been in effect for a vaccine well before WHO stated Covid-19 had reached the level of a pandemic. Today Trump finally issued this order:

Heeding calls for action, Trump invokes Defense Production Act

This could have been done weeks and weeks ago. as indicated in the link. Let's all hope this is not too late for too many people.

 

[WEATHER53]

my question at this point is -

what is the cost of letting this run it's course
vs
what is the cost of hiding from it in hopes we're simply buying time so few can afford

Buying time is crucial. If we didn’t take measures to slow spread, we would crush the medial system, as is the case in Italy. It would be shorter, but devastating to lives.

If we distance and slow spread, even if there are the same number of cases overall, then the medial system isn’t overwhelmed at any one point in time and potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives.

Hundreds of thousands? Really? How many have died so far worldwide?

Nearly 500 people in Italy died yesterday.

But it’s not just Coronavirus. If the medical system is swamped with those cases, people needing medical care for other issues will have a harder time getting it.

See we are not in Italy so stop cherry picking one most excessive detail and try to stick that On the USA

 

[colfax_m]

my question at this point is -

what is the cost of letting this run it's course
vs
what is the cost of hiding from it in hopes we're simply buying time so few can afford

Buying time is crucial. If we didn’t take measures to slow spread, we would crush the medial system, as is the case in Italy. It would be shorter, but devastating to lives.

If we distance and slow spread, even if there are the same number of cases overall, then the medial system isn’t overwhelmed at any one point in time and potentially save hundreds of thousands of lives.

Hundreds of thousands? Really? How many have died so far worldwide?

Nearly 500 people in Italy died yesterday.

But it’s not just Coronavirus. If the medical system is swamped with those cases, people needing medical care for other issues will have a harder time getting it.

Without panic, most people who contract the virus get over it quickly and don't need medical attention. With panic, they flood the system for every sniffle.

We aren’t talking about people with sniffles swamping the system with every sniffle. We are talking about people with respiratory failure and requiring ICU admissions. That’s who is going to overwhelm the system.

 

[colfax_m]

Given the consequences of getting it wrong, caution is advised.

Caution? Agreed.

Betting our economy / future on the worst-case scenario about a little know new virus (that is most dangerous to those approx. 80yo and who have existing respiratory / immune problems)? Not so much, at least not for me.

Yeah, I don’t think that’s a very compelling argument. You’re basically saying you’re willing to sacrifice the elderly and infirm for money.

And you will sacrifice the world's economy to possibly a depression which would probably kill even more than the virus in time............

How are people going to die because the economy contracts?

Dunno. How many?

That’s what I’m trying to figure out. These guys think more people are going to die from an economic contraction due to isolation recommendations than if we just let the virus ravage the nation.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Do "rational" people understand that the measures we are taking are way too destructive to our economy for the purported risk?

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of rationale being applied. It seems to be specifically engineered to win the 2020 election, a la the housing crash of 2008.


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[jc456]

Government-Imposed / Enforced Shelter-In-Place

Government-Imposed Economic Shutdown (Closure of almost all businesses)

Government-Imposed Unemployment (millions losing their jobs due to closure of businesses)

Government-Facilitated Stock Market Plunge (Above decisions and more causing fear in Market)

Imposed Social Distancing as justification to prevent the spread of COVID-19.....

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY. IS / WAS IT WORTH IT?



Questioning the Clampdown
Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

Opinion | Questioning the Clampdown

'Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

This demand will come largely from the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. A silver lining will be fewer cold and flu victims overall thanks to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending a lot more than we’ve ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths. Eighty-three percent of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by health care. This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?

Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?'



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the one that got me from yesterday is that 22 people at a longtermcare facility in Illinois have the virus. after being in isolation for two weeks. Either, they were never tested and should have been prior to the isolation is another story. But 18 of the residents got it. People who most likely never leave that place. so their quarantine didn't work. As I stated in another thread, this makes me go hmmmmmmm. Thanks Arsenal Hall.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Government-Imposed / Enforced Shelter-In-Place

Government-Imposed Economic Shutdown (Closure of almost all businesses)

Government-Imposed Unemployment (millions losing their jobs due to closure of businesses)

Government-Facilitated Stock Market Plunge (Above decisions and more causing fear in Market)

Imposed Social Distancing as justification to prevent the spread of COVID-19.....

ALL of this.....AND YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP GETTING COVID-19 ANYWAY. IS / WAS IT WORTH IT?



Questioning the Clampdown
Will people lose faith when they find out they are expected to get the virus anyway?

Opinion | Questioning the Clampdown

'Experts now agree the virus’s spread can be slowed but not contained. It will take its place among mostly seasonal respiratory infections. After a time, recurrent outbreaks will be moderated by a large number of potential carriers who have immunity from their last infection.

And then we can ask some questions. The cost to Americans of the economic shutdown is vast. What are they getting for their money? Essentially less excess demand for respiratory ventilators and other emergency care than can currently be supplied.

This demand will come largely from the elderly and chronically ill, who would be competing for these resources with the usual large number of old and ill people already suffering from acute respiratory distress as a result of routine flu and cold infections. A silver lining will be fewer cold and flu victims overall thanks to social distancing to fight Covid-19.

Some number of respiratory deaths will be avoided (really delayed since we all die) but we’ll be spending a lot more than we’ve ever been willing to spend before to avoid flu deaths. Eighty-three percent of our economy will be suppressed to relieve pressure on the 17% represented by health care. This will have to last months, not weeks, to modulate the rate at which a critical mass of 330 million get infected and acquire natural immunity.

Will people put up with it once they realize they are still expected to get the virus?

Wouldn’t it make more sense to pour resources into isolating the vulnerable rather than isolating everyone?

Basically aren’t we really just praying that summer will naturally suppress transmission and get us off the hook of an untenable policy?'



.

Yeah, you go ahead.

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Research is on going, and has been in effect for a vaccine well before WHO stated Covid-19 had reached the level of a pandemic. Today Trump finally issued this order:

Heeding calls for action, Trump invokes Defense Production Act

This could have been done weeks and weeks ago. as indicated in the link. Let's all hope this is not too late for too many people.

Biull crap. The shutdowns are far more sinister and nefarious.

 

[Rye Catcher]

Rational people understand that isolation is imperative: the less people infected and not clustered in bars and buses; in elevators and at rallies, concerts and ball games, will not become infected and fill the ER's and overrun hospitals all across America.

Do "rational" people understand that the measures we are taking are way too destructive to our economy for the purported risk?

There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of rationale being applied. It seems to be specifically engineered to win the 2020 election, a la the housing crash of 2008.


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As I posted, "rational people". Biddable fools are not rational.