What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Ray From Cleveland]

That 100 years of the west fucking with the Middle East has blown back on the west.

Right, it couldn't have had anything to do with the people occupying these countries, could it? Of course not. A self-hating white would never admit to such a thing.

Well, no, it decreased by half because the property rates were overvalued and the bubble popped.

There was no bubble to pop 25 years ago. The tech bubble and housing bubble are two different things.

I hate to keep educating you, so I'll give you a hint why it went down: look at the common reason why property values go down in all the other places across the US. I'm sure that will keep you up all night.

Okay, let's look at that.

Bush 41 caused a recession. - Clinton got elected and fixed it.

Then you guys stole the election for Bush-43. He caused two more recessions and crashed the economy.

Obama fixed it...

You guys stole an election for Trump. He's starting a trade war, running up the debt...

So why do you keep doing the same stupid things?

Who ran up the debt more than Hussein? Trump has only been in office for less than two years. And who led Congress during the Clinton years? Who brought us a balanced budget and a reduction of debt?

Nobody stole anything from you. We won elections fair and square, the same way every other election was won before in history. Quit listening to your puppet masters. They are only telling you what you want to hear instead of the truth. If you want the truth, by all means, just ask.

 

[MaryL]

I am agnostic, so? That is a beautiful sentiment. Too bad these illegal aliens don't mirror that sentiment. Instead they remind me Mexican version of "Anschluss". Look it up. And you are sounding like a gullible child wearing your heart on your sleeve. We REALLY need more folks like YOU, that would make the world a better place. For Mexicans.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

THANKYOU , ---------------- as regards Unions i have no problem with Union in private industry but i want to see 'public employee Unions' gone . ----------------- just a comment Ray .

The reason they didn't work in the private sector is because they broke the bank and companies couldn't afford them anymore. Public workers get their pay from taxpayers. The politicians don't care about the money like private industry does. In the private sector, unions used to go on strike all the time because the owner(s) wanted to keep profit high and the unions wanted to take that profit. Why don't any public sector unions go on strike? Because politicians give them everything they want.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

GENOCIDAL , who knows , import a fifth column , GENOCIDAL , who knows what the future holds Ray .

I think I know and it's obvious when people vote. DumBama and gang was a shot in the arm of what Socialism/ Communism is all about, and it left a bad taste in our mouths. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of problems with the Republicans as well, but at least we're doing something to fix our party and send a message at the same time.

I also believe that leftist brainwashing is finally starting to fade away; not totally rejected just yet, but in the right direction. More and more people are starting to scratch their heads at Democrat policy and coming to the realization they are all phonies. They always have an ulterior motive when they make policies and laws.

For instance most people understand that it's un-American for leftist entities to force people to give them money. The SC ruled that is not acceptable, and Piglosi ran out there saying how it was an attack on the working people. The right thing (in the mind of a leftist) is force people to pay unions money even though they are not part of the union. Democrats are upset because much of that money comes back to them in campaign contributions. It was a money laundering scheme all along.

So you think it is ok then to force the unions to represent those who don’t pay?

Who's forcing them?

 

[Coyote]

GENOCIDAL , who knows , import a fifth column , GENOCIDAL , who knows what the future holds Ray .

I think I know and it's obvious when people vote. DumBama and gang was a shot in the arm of what Socialism/ Communism is all about, and it left a bad taste in our mouths. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of problems with the Republicans as well, but at least we're doing something to fix our party and send a message at the same time.

I also believe that leftist brainwashing is finally starting to fade away; not totally rejected just yet, but in the right direction. More and more people are starting to scratch their heads at Democrat policy and coming to the realization they are all phonies. They always have an ulterior motive when they make policies and laws.

For instance most people understand that it's un-American for leftist entities to force people to give them money. The SC ruled that is not acceptable, and Piglosi ran out there saying how it was an attack on the working people. The right thing (in the mind of a leftist) is force people to pay unions money even though they are not part of the union. Democrats are upset because much of that money comes back to them in campaign contributions. It was a money laundering scheme all along.

So you think it is ok then to force the unions to represent those who don’t pay?

Who's forcing them?

The law.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

GENOCIDAL , who knows , import a fifth column , GENOCIDAL , who knows what the future holds Ray .

I think I know and it's obvious when people vote. DumBama and gang was a shot in the arm of what Socialism/ Communism is all about, and it left a bad taste in our mouths. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of problems with the Republicans as well, but at least we're doing something to fix our party and send a message at the same time.

I also believe that leftist brainwashing is finally starting to fade away; not totally rejected just yet, but in the right direction. More and more people are starting to scratch their heads at Democrat policy and coming to the realization they are all phonies. They always have an ulterior motive when they make policies and laws.

For instance most people understand that it's un-American for leftist entities to force people to give them money. The SC ruled that is not acceptable, and Piglosi ran out there saying how it was an attack on the working people. The right thing (in the mind of a leftist) is force people to pay unions money even though they are not part of the union. Democrats are upset because much of that money comes back to them in campaign contributions. It was a money laundering scheme all along.

So you think it is ok then to force the unions to represent those who don’t pay?

Who's forcing them?

The law.

What law is that? I never heard of such a law that a union MUST (under law) represent non-union employees. If that's the case, I'll call a union to get me a raise and they will (by law) have to get me one.

 

[Coyote]

GENOCIDAL , who knows , import a fifth column , GENOCIDAL , who knows what the future holds Ray .

I think I know and it's obvious when people vote. DumBama and gang was a shot in the arm of what Socialism/ Communism is all about, and it left a bad taste in our mouths. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of problems with the Republicans as well, but at least we're doing something to fix our party and send a message at the same time.

I also believe that leftist brainwashing is finally starting to fade away; not totally rejected just yet, but in the right direction. More and more people are starting to scratch their heads at Democrat policy and coming to the realization they are all phonies. They always have an ulterior motive when they make policies and laws.

For instance most people understand that it's un-American for leftist entities to force people to give them money. The SC ruled that is not acceptable, and Piglosi ran out there saying how it was an attack on the working people. The right thing (in the mind of a leftist) is force people to pay unions money even though they are not part of the union. Democrats are upset because much of that money comes back to them in campaign contributions. It was a money laundering scheme all along.

So you think it is ok then to force the unions to represent those who don’t pay?

Who's forcing them?

The law.

What law is that? I never heard of such a law that a union MUST (under law) represent non-union employees. If that's the case, I'll call a union to get me a raise and they will (by law) have to get me one.

This article describes it pretty well...Why should unions negotiate for workers who don't pay their fair share?

 

[pismoe]

in answer to your question , Probably NO . -------------------- But my problem is only when so called 'public servants' or 'gov' employees have Unions Coyote .

 

[MaryL]

Why this sudden focus on immigration all of a sudden? The big three NBC, CBS and ABC. Their focus is on illegal aliens not so much as a valid news item, but as subtle political agenda. Separating illegals families is a trivial issue. Why this exaggerated focus on this? Could it be Illegal aliens are the goose that lays the golden egg for wealthy and they use the media to manipulate popular sentiment? Perhaps the media should limit coverage to just immediate late breaking facts, not spin things in a side ways winky wink way. I see camps full of poor homeless Americans with kids that the media and liberals totally slough off. And these people should be our first concern, not the well being of foreign nationals that ignore immigration law. Why isn't the local news putting that up front and center every day?

 

[danielpalos]

Of course. When you look at these shit hole countries as Trump was "accused" of saying, is it the land or the people that made them shit holes? It's the people. So now the leftist idea is to bring those people here.

You mean like Ireland, Italy and Poland, all of which were "shitholes" when people were trying to get away from them? Oh, but it's okay, these people were white and it happened a long time ago.

The left has moved lowlifes in our country to better areas, and all that does is ruin better areas. If you take 3/4 cup of fresh wholesome milk, and mix that with 1/4 cup of stale curdled milk, you only have one thing, and that's a cup of bad milk.

Again, guy, maybe you're the curdled milk. I mean, you are kind of a loser, I bet most people wouldn't want to live next store to you with your gun fetish and bigotry...

But funny thing, I kind of like living in a free country. The thing is, you've enjoyed white privilage your entire life, and you are STILL a loser who won't even try to get a better job or improve himself. So let's talk about what really scares you, people of color getting the same opportunities that you've had, and doing better than you.

We can't allow in everyone from shithole countries that want a better life. It would turn America into a shit hole country.
How many more times do I have to post this before you finally watch it and get a clue?

Let's end our alleged wars on drugs and terror; they Only create refugees for the Right Wing, to complain about.

I was for legalizing drugs. Then my 20 year old nephew ended up in the emergency room after taking a single toke of legal synthesized marijuana. Someone found him on the side of the road having an epileptic seizure and throwing up. He's lucky to be alive. A week later the idiot went and got drunk. Something else that maybe need to be outlawed.

Don't get me wrong I am a Libertarian. When it happens to someone else's family member I don't give a fuck.

how about the abomination of hypocrisy, for the sake of morals and the Greater Glory of our Immortal Souls?

 

[danielpalos]

Why this sudden focus on immigration all of a sudden? The big three NBC, CBS and ABC. Their focus is on illegal aliens not so much as a valid news item, but as subtle political agenda. Separating illegals families is a trivial issue. Why this exaggerated focus on this? Could it be Illegal aliens are the goose that lays the golden egg for wealthy and they use the media to manipulate popular sentiment? Perhaps the media should limit coverage to just immediate late breaking facts, not spin things in a side ways winky wink way. I see camps full of poor homeless Americans with kids that the media and liberals totally slough off. And these people should be our first concern, not the well being of foreign nationals that ignore immigration law. Why isn't the local news putting that up front and center every day?

Because the rich already got their tax break?

 

[MaryL]

Why this sudden focus on immigration all of a sudden? The big three NBC, CBS and ABC. Their focus is on illegal aliens not so much as a valid news item, but as subtle political agenda. Separating illegals families is a trivial issue. Why this exaggerated focus on this? Could it be Illegal aliens are the goose that lays the golden egg for wealthy and they use the media to manipulate popular sentiment? Perhaps the media should limit coverage to just immediate late breaking facts, not spin things in a side ways winky wink way. I see camps full of poor homeless Americans with kids that the media and liberals totally slough off. And these people should be our first concern, not the well being of foreign nationals that ignore immigration law. Why isn't the local news putting that up front and center every day?

Because the rich already got their tax break?

I used to be naïve enough to believe that the average voter was like me. And the city, state and federal representatives represented folks like me. Silly me, this was always about the rich, they have a hand in everything, they remind me of the Mafia. A dirty little underworld of politicians. This is all a big racket to them now. And yet sometimes a shining beam of sunlight shows through, sometimes the common person triumphs over the pull of wealthy elitists, but not as often as it should, given our ideals.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why this sudden focus on immigration all of a sudden? The big three NBC, CBS and ABC. Their focus is on illegal aliens not so much as a valid news item, but as subtle political agenda. Separating illegals families is a trivial issue. Why this exaggerated focus on this? Could it be Illegal aliens are the goose that lays the golden egg for wealthy and they use the media to manipulate popular sentiment? Perhaps the media should limit coverage to just immediate late breaking facts, not spin things in a side ways winky wink way. I see camps full of poor homeless Americans with kids that the media and liberals totally slough off. And these people should be our first concern, not the well being of foreign nationals that ignore immigration law. Why isn't the local news putting that up front and center every day?

Trump's success.
Midterm elections.

 

[danielpalos]

Why this sudden focus on immigration all of a sudden? The big three NBC, CBS and ABC. Their focus is on illegal aliens not so much as a valid news item, but as subtle political agenda. Separating illegals families is a trivial issue. Why this exaggerated focus on this? Could it be Illegal aliens are the goose that lays the golden egg for wealthy and they use the media to manipulate popular sentiment? Perhaps the media should limit coverage to just immediate late breaking facts, not spin things in a side ways winky wink way. I see camps full of poor homeless Americans with kids that the media and liberals totally slough off. And these people should be our first concern, not the well being of foreign nationals that ignore immigration law. Why isn't the local news putting that up front and center every day?

Because the rich already got their tax break?

I used to be naïve enough to believe that the average voter was like me. And the city, state and federal representatives represented folks like me. Silly me, this was always about the rich, they have a hand in everything, they remind me of the Mafia. A dirty little underworld of politicians. This is all a big racket to them now. And yet sometimes a shining beam of sunlight shows through, sometimes the common person triumphs over the pull of wealthy elitists, but not as often as it should, given our ideals.

the Right Wing simply being Cronies, doesn't help.

 

[MaryL]

Why this sudden focus on immigration all of a sudden? The big three NBC, CBS and ABC. Their focus is on illegal aliens not so much as a valid news item, but as subtle political agenda. Separating illegals families is a trivial issue. Why this exaggerated focus on this? Could it be Illegal aliens are the goose that lays the golden egg for wealthy and they use the media to manipulate popular sentiment? Perhaps the media should limit coverage to just immediate late breaking facts, not spin things in a side ways winky wink way. I see camps full of poor homeless Americans with kids that the media and liberals totally slough off. And these people should be our first concern, not the well being of foreign nationals that ignore immigration law. Why isn't the local news putting that up front and center every day?

Trump's success.
Midterm elections.

I voted for the man. Because a Mexican pissed me off the day before, in a fit of pique. Little did I know... A rich white guy, member of the elitist Mafia establishment that profits from wetter's that also cynically likes to play both ends against the middle. Not one of my prouder moments. But yet a again I am thinking Ted Cruz...Would it have mattered?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think I know and it's obvious when people vote. DumBama and gang was a shot in the arm of what Socialism/ Communism is all about, and it left a bad taste in our mouths. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of problems with the Republicans as well, but at least we're doing something to fix our party and send a message at the same time.

I also believe that leftist brainwashing is finally starting to fade away; not totally rejected just yet, but in the right direction. More and more people are starting to scratch their heads at Democrat policy and coming to the realization they are all phonies. They always have an ulterior motive when they make policies and laws.

For instance most people understand that it's un-American for leftist entities to force people to give them money. The SC ruled that is not acceptable, and Piglosi ran out there saying how it was an attack on the working people. The right thing (in the mind of a leftist) is force people to pay unions money even though they are not part of the union. Democrats are upset because much of that money comes back to them in campaign contributions. It was a money laundering scheme all along.

So you think it is ok then to force the unions to represent those who don’t pay?

Who's forcing them?

The law.

What law is that? I never heard of such a law that a union MUST (under law) represent non-union employees. If that's the case, I'll call a union to get me a raise and they will (by law) have to get me one.

This article describes it pretty well...Why should unions negotiate for workers who don't pay their fair share?

No, I don't think it does. I looked up what Exclusive Representation was and I read your article twice. As far as I can gather, what it says is that unions are forced to represent all members in their union. Understandable. However I did not read where it was forced by law to represent any non-union member. In fact, what they said they wanted to do is make those who do not pay dues non-union.

So I still don't understand why unions don't simply kick out non-paying members. What law is there that says if a union is present, all workers have to be represented by that union? From past experiences, I really thought that requirement was a union requirement and not a government one.

So I'm still confused. Now if there is some sort of government law that says all employees must be represented by a union if present in the company, then they have a legitimate complaint. The union should not have members that don't want to be members.

 

[Flopper]

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

I'm with you on that one, we are the greatest country on earth in spite of what the liberals claim. Notice they never leave for any of these other socialist utopias they constantly praise.

And as I asked Coyote, how many countries would she like to move into the USA? She never provided an answer.

If word ever got out that we are a virtual open border country, South America will be the least of our problems. They will be coming by the hundreds of millions in boats and planes from all over the world. It's simply not feasible.

/----/ Don't the democRATs think they will be voted out of office and replaced with the immigrants? Look what happened in NY with the career democRAT who got primaried out? I wonder what he's thinking now.

"But, but, but....." "Go home Gringo."

And got voted out by an open borders admitted Socialist to boot.

Very few if any real democrats want open boarders. I have never spoken to a Democrat that advocated open boarders. The facts are:

• Not one Democratic President ever proposed open borders.
• Not one Democratic Presidential Candidate ever proposed open borders.
• Not one Democratic Senator advocates open borders.
• Not one Democratic Congressman advocates open borders.
• Not one Democratic Governor advocates open borders.
• And you will not find any Democratic Platform advocating open borders.

Declaring that Democrats will open our boarders is nothing but a scare tactic which draws an equal and opposite claim from the Left that Republicans seek to seal our borders and isolation the US from the rest of the world.

Oh come on with the semantics already. They don't use the term Open Borders like they don't use the term socialists or liberals, but we know what they mean.

Open border is a border that enables free movement of people between different nations with few or no restrictions on movement. Most open boarders are found within the EU that require no immigration documents to cross between EU countries. Democrats are not even suggesting this. I don't know of any Democrat who advocates that.

Suggesting that we need more immigrants in the US or that undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humanely, that young children should not be taken from their mothers, or that a paths to citizenship should be created is still nothing even close to open borders. And that is not semantics. Saying democrats want our boarders open is an out right lie.

Let me remind you that more border security was added under Obama than any other president. He also holds the record for deportation.
Furthermore the only president to have carried out amenity for undocumented immigrants was Reagan.

 

[Slyhunter]

If there was some sort of war or government takeover in these counties, I could better understand. But these countries haven't changed in some time. There is no sudden need to escape an environment they've lived in most of their lives. Sure, they want a better place to live, and that's understandable. But I'm certain you will find many children and parents in Asia and Africa that feel the same way. I'm sure there are billions of people that would love to invade the US.

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

I'm with you on that one, we are the greatest country on earth in spite of what the liberals claim. Notice they never leave for any of these other socialist utopias they constantly praise.

And as I asked Coyote, how many countries would she like to move into the USA? She never provided an answer.

If word ever got out that we are a virtual open border country, South America will be the least of our problems. They will be coming by the hundreds of millions in boats and planes from all over the world. It's simply not feasible.

/----/ Don't the democRATs think they will be voted out of office and replaced with the immigrants? Look what happened in NY with the career democRAT who got primaried out? I wonder what he's thinking now.

"But, but, but....." "Go home Gringo."

And got voted out by an open borders admitted Socialist to boot.

Very few if any real democrats want open boarders. I have never spoken to a Democrat that advocated open boarders. The facts are:

• Not one Democratic President ever proposed open borders.
• Not one Democratic Presidential Candidate ever proposed open borders.
• Not one Democratic Senator advocates open borders.
• Not one Democratic Congressman advocates open borders.
• Not one Democratic Governor advocates open borders.
• And you will not find any Democratic Platform advocating open borders.

Declaring that Democrats will open our boarders is nothing but a scare tactic which draws an equal and opposite claim from the Left that Republicans seek to seal our borders and isolation the US from the rest of the world.

Being against the wall is their declaration for open borders.
Amnesty is their declaration for open borders.
What the fuck do you think borders are for?

 

[Slyhunter]

GENOCIDAL , who knows , import a fifth column , GENOCIDAL , who knows what the future holds Ray .

I think I know and it's obvious when people vote. DumBama and gang was a shot in the arm of what Socialism/ Communism is all about, and it left a bad taste in our mouths. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of problems with the Republicans as well, but at least we're doing something to fix our party and send a message at the same time.

I also believe that leftist brainwashing is finally starting to fade away; not totally rejected just yet, but in the right direction. More and more people are starting to scratch their heads at Democrat policy and coming to the realization they are all phonies. They always have an ulterior motive when they make policies and laws.

For instance most people understand that it's un-American for leftist entities to force people to give them money. The SC ruled that is not acceptable, and Piglosi ran out there saying how it was an attack on the working people. The right thing (in the mind of a leftist) is force people to pay unions money even though they are not part of the union. Democrats are upset because much of that money comes back to them in campaign contributions. It was a money laundering scheme all along.

So you think it is ok then to force the unions to represent those who don’t pay?

You think it is ok to force those who don't want to join to join.
Don't represent them if you don't want to.

 

[Slyhunter]

I think I know and it's obvious when people vote. DumBama and gang was a shot in the arm of what Socialism/ Communism is all about, and it left a bad taste in our mouths. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of problems with the Republicans as well, but at least we're doing something to fix our party and send a message at the same time.

I also believe that leftist brainwashing is finally starting to fade away; not totally rejected just yet, but in the right direction. More and more people are starting to scratch their heads at Democrat policy and coming to the realization they are all phonies. They always have an ulterior motive when they make policies and laws.

For instance most people understand that it's un-American for leftist entities to force people to give them money. The SC ruled that is not acceptable, and Piglosi ran out there saying how it was an attack on the working people. The right thing (in the mind of a leftist) is force people to pay unions money even though they are not part of the union. Democrats are upset because much of that money comes back to them in campaign contributions. It was a money laundering scheme all along.

So you think it is ok then to force the unions to represent those who don’t pay?

Who's forcing them?

The law.

What law is that? I never heard of such a law that a union MUST (under law) represent non-union employees. If that's the case, I'll call a union to get me a raise and they will (by law) have to get me one.

This article describes it pretty well...Why should unions negotiate for workers who don't pay their fair share?

Don't negotiate for them.
See how that works.