What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Ray From Cleveland]

Right, I'm sure that's why every one of them are coming here. It couldn't possibly be they are using their kids to draw sympathy

Trying to hide behind the skirts of a small minority of extreme "hard cases" is standard leftism. They try to excuse millions of abortions of convenience by screaming about "rape, incest, life of the mother!" and they try to excuse millions of illegals motivated by economics by screaming about "fear for their lives!"

And then they wonder how we ended up with President Trump.

If there was some sort of war or government takeover in these counties, I could better understand. But these countries haven't changed in some time. There is no sudden need to escape an environment they've lived in most of their lives. Sure, they want a better place to live, and that's understandable. But I'm certain you will find many children and parents in Asia and Africa that feel the same way. I'm sure there are billions of people that would love to invade the US.

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

I'm with you on that one, we are the greatest country on earth in spite of what the liberals claim. Notice they never leave for any of these other socialist utopias they constantly praise.

And as I asked Coyote, how many countries would she like to move into the USA? She never provided an answer.

If word ever got out that we are a virtual open border country, South America will be the least of our problems. They will be coming by the hundreds of millions in boats and planes from all over the world. It's simply not feasible.

/----/ Don't the democRATs think they will be voted out of office and replaced with the immigrants? Look what happened in NY with the career democRAT who got primaried out? I wonder what he's thinking now.

"But, but, but....." "Go home Gringo."

And got voted out by an open borders admitted Socialist to boot.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

i think that the reason for wanting a growing population is simply Redistribution of MONEY . Take that town in Vermont [whats the name] . Anyway , the town was going to heck because of small declining population and no money being spent in the town to support the businesses and tax base . --- SO , what did they do , they imported 'somali bantus' . And then they gave these 'somalis' taxpayer money [welfare] that was then spent in the towns businesses , housing and everything else . But , if the town is recovering its recovering due to giving taxpayer money or welfare to imported 'somali' third worlders and then the 'somalis' can take over the town with their votes and organizations . Just a comment that might be responded to by any resident of this Vermont town if they are on the board . And i think that there are a couple of those type residents on this board .

Not familiar with the situation, but just from what you told me, that money will have to be paid or repaid by somebody else. You can get things going for a while, but it's not sustainable that way.

 

[Coyote]

And that's why it has to stop now; because it has been our problem, a problem we don't need any longer. Let people solve their own problems. I too never had kids. The wonderful thing about having kids is that it's a choice--not an infliction. I chose not to have children because of the expense and my health problems I didn't want to pass along. But now my taxes have to support kids other people had in countries where they should have known better? It's bad enough I have to support American kids lowlifes have.

So your argument is that we are trying to make sure these kids are productive citizens, and you want to complain about that?

We need the replacement workers, that's the thing...

I'm complaining because other people create problems that we have to solve, and we can't even solve our own yet.

STF out of this country. If your country is so bad, fight to change it as we have ours in history. We can't babysit the world. We have 7.6 billion people on this planet, some of which have children living in worse environments than south America. How many of these 7.6 billion are we to take in?

Look Ray - OUR ancestors didn't stay to fight to change their country - the FLED. HERE. That's a weak argument Ray.

Who is "our"? MY ancestors didn't "flee" anything. They were colonists.

Many of whom were fleeing persecution and poverty to strike out in a new land. Why didn’t they stay and fight?

 

[pismoe]

just check out 'somali bantu muslims' in Vermont , they even have a 'bantu elders' group that takes care of their 'somali youts' when the 'youts' break the law rather than American cops handling the law breaking 'youts' . Check it out , its happening all over the USA Ray .

 

[pismoe]

Trying to hide behind the skirts of a small minority of extreme "hard cases" is standard leftism. They try to excuse millions of abortions of convenience by screaming about "rape, incest, life of the mother!" and they try to excuse millions of illegals motivated by economics by screaming about "fear for their lives!"

And then they wonder how we ended up with President Trump.

If there was some sort of war or government takeover in these counties, I could better understand. But these countries haven't changed in some time. There is no sudden need to escape an environment they've lived in most of their lives. Sure, they want a better place to live, and that's understandable. But I'm certain you will find many children and parents in Asia and Africa that feel the same way. I'm sure there are billions of people that would love to invade the US.

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

I'm with you on that one, we are the greatest country on earth in spite of what the liberals claim. Notice they never leave for any of these other socialist utopias they constantly praise.

And as I asked Coyote, how many countries would she like to move into the USA? She never provided an answer.

If word ever got out that we are a virtual open border country, South America will be the least of our problems. They will be coming by the hundreds of millions in boats and planes from all over the world. It's simply not feasible.

/----/ Don't the democRATs think they will be voted out of office and replaced with the immigrants? Look what happened in NY with the career democRAT who got primaried out? I wonder what he's thinking now.

"But, but, but....." "Go home Gringo."

And got voted out by an open borders admitted Socialist to boot.

----------------------------- And thats funny , import the third worlders that will vote you outa office or take your job and Freedoms , Guns and way of life . Its all so amusing . [chuckle] .

 

[Coyote]

just check out 'somali bantu muslims' in Vermont , they even have a 'bantu elders' group that takes care of their 'somali youts' when the 'youts' break the law rather than American cops handling the law breaking 'youts' . Check it out , its happening all over the USA Ray .

Link?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If there was some sort of war or government takeover in these counties, I could better understand. But these countries haven't changed in some time. There is no sudden need to escape an environment they've lived in most of their lives. Sure, they want a better place to live, and that's understandable. But I'm certain you will find many children and parents in Asia and Africa that feel the same way. I'm sure there are billions of people that would love to invade the US.

Let's face it, the United States is preferable to 90% of the countries on Earth, including a lot of the ones in Europe. Personally, I think it's better than any other country on Earth.

Doesn't mean we're obligated to let everyone else on Earth live here.

I'm with you on that one, we are the greatest country on earth in spite of what the liberals claim. Notice they never leave for any of these other socialist utopias they constantly praise.

And as I asked Coyote, how many countries would she like to move into the USA? She never provided an answer.

If word ever got out that we are a virtual open border country, South America will be the least of our problems. They will be coming by the hundreds of millions in boats and planes from all over the world. It's simply not feasible.

/----/ Don't the democRATs think they will be voted out of office and replaced with the immigrants? Look what happened in NY with the career democRAT who got primaried out? I wonder what he's thinking now.

"But, but, but....." "Go home Gringo."

And got voted out by an open borders admitted Socialist to boot.

----------------------------- And thats funny , import the third worlders that will vote you outa office or take your job and Freedoms , Guns and way of life . Its all so amusing . [chuckle] .

Not really, because the reason Democrats want more minorities in the US is to wipe out the white race; not in a genocidal way, but in a political way. Then they can reach their goal of us becoming a one-party country forever.

 

[pismoe]

GENOCIDAL , who knows , import a fifth column , GENOCIDAL , who knows what the future holds Ray .

 

[pismoe]

but funnier than heck that that long time 'dem' got voted out by the open borders advocate . i like it .

 

[Kondor3]

...Again, it's only bad in your mind because you are a bigot...

Doesn't matter whether I'm a bigot or not; what signifies is whether US borders are being infiltrated and whether US law is being violated and adding to taxpayer burden.

...This country has been absorbing immigrants for centuries...

Yep. And now we've reached a Saturation Point. We're all Full-Up. No more room at the inn. All good things must come to an end. Fun time's over, kiddies.

...Here's what we do to "Fix" it...

LibTard ideas on "how to fix it" are about as reliable as the opinion of a condemned man on the subject of capital punishment.

...12 million who are already here should be granted an amnesty...

No.

...if they self-identify, with a case-by-case review. This worked just fine when Reagan did it 30 years ago. ..

Thirty years ago, the Gubmint promised that Shamnesty was a One-Time Shot. They lied. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice..." ... Nope... No Sale.

...The way to prevent future problems is to have a guest worker program that will allow cheap seasonal labor...

No problem. Individual workers. No families. No more Anchor Brats out of that bunch, either.

...Actually, when we had an open border, these folks came up for the harvest season, and went home when it was over...

Times have changed.

...What caused the "Crisis" is that 1) NAFTA devastated Mexican Agriculture by forcing Mexican farmers out of their own market...

Their problem, not ours. Maybe they can get their new buddies, the Chinese, to invest, and to become their new masters; given that they can't make it on their own.

... and 2) Increased border security on our side meant that instead of going home at the end of harvest season, you might as well stay instead of keep having to navigate your way past...

An acceptable Guest Worker program will take care of that.

...But the only "Crisis" we have is white bigots living in mortal fear their daughters might date a Mexican.

My, my, my... look, Mumsie... it's a Wigger... standing with the Other Side, against his own... the Losing Mindset on November 8, 2016.

You Ideologue-LibTards are simply incapable of learning from past mistakes; damned shame, we need an effective Opposition Party, but, sadly, you ain't it; not anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course. When you look at these shit hole countries as Trump was "accused" of saying, is it the land or the people that made them shit holes? It's the people. So now the leftist idea is to bring those people here.

You mean like Ireland, Italy and Poland, all of which were "shitholes" when people were trying to get away from them? Oh, but it's okay, these people were white and it happened a long time ago.

The left has moved lowlifes in our country to better areas, and all that does is ruin better areas. If you take 3/4 cup of fresh wholesome milk, and mix that with 1/4 cup of stale curdled milk, you only have one thing, and that's a cup of bad milk.

Again, guy, maybe you're the curdled milk. I mean, you are kind of a loser, I bet most people wouldn't want to live next store to you with your gun fetish and bigotry...

But funny thing, I kind of like living in a free country. The thing is, you've enjoyed white privilage your entire life, and you are STILL a loser who won't even try to get a better job or improve himself. So let's talk about what really scares you, people of color getting the same opportunities that you've had, and doing better than you.

 

[Slyhunter]

Of course. When you look at these shit hole countries as Trump was "accused" of saying, is it the land or the people that made them shit holes? It's the people. So now the leftist idea is to bring those people here.

You mean like Ireland, Italy and Poland, all of which were "shitholes" when people were trying to get away from them? Oh, but it's okay, these people were white and it happened a long time ago.

The left has moved lowlifes in our country to better areas, and all that does is ruin better areas. If you take 3/4 cup of fresh wholesome milk, and mix that with 1/4 cup of stale curdled milk, you only have one thing, and that's a cup of bad milk.

Again, guy, maybe you're the curdled milk. I mean, you are kind of a loser, I bet most people wouldn't want to live next store to you with your gun fetish and bigotry...

But funny thing, I kind of like living in a free country. The thing is, you've enjoyed white privilage your entire life, and you are STILL a loser who won't even try to get a better job or improve himself. So let's talk about what really scares you, people of color getting the same opportunities that you've had, and doing better than you.

We can't allow in everyone from shithole countries that want a better life. It would turn America into a shit hole country.
How many more times do I have to post this before you finally watch it and get a clue?

 

[JoeB131]

Absolutely. Until this immigration thing came along, the previous leftist cry was about overpopulation here and across the world. Now they are okay with it.

Now they are saying we have to keep growing. Why? What would be wrong with only having 150 million people in the US?

As Flopper claims, we need more people to do the work. Okay, but wouldn't we be in the same position if we had 500, 700, or 900 million people in the US? After all, what creates work is consumption. The more people buy, the more work needed to supply the buyers.

So all their reasons for immigration are a smoke screen. If we have to pay more for lettuce or grapes to keep them out, then so be it.

I like cheap lettuce and grapes... but the point you miss about the population isn't the number.

It's the proportion... If you have 150 million people but because of age groupings, 50 million of them are too old to work, and require the other 100 million to support them.

(Ray screams at his screen "LET THE STARVE! LET THEM STARVE!"

That's where we are at with our demographics now. Too many old people, not enough young workers to replace them and support them.

 

[JoeB131]

Not really, because the reason Democrats want more minorities in the US is to wipe out the white race; not in a genocidal way, but in a political way. Then they can reach their goal of us becoming a one-party country forever.

If minorities don't vote for Republicans, it's because of 50 years of Republican racism, not because the Democrats have a "plan".

The problem with you is that you think in terms of your race and not your economic class...

 

[JoeB131]

We can't allow in everyone from shithole countries that want a better life. It would turn America into a shit hole country.
How many more times do I have to post this before you finally watch it and get a clue?

You can post that shit all day, I still won't watch it.

Nobody is saying take them all in.

And frankly, Immigrants make the country stronger.. they bring in ambition that fat lazy Americans just don't have.

 

[Slyhunter]

Not really, because the reason Democrats want more minorities in the US is to wipe out the white race; not in a genocidal way, but in a political way. Then they can reach their goal of us becoming a one-party country forever.

If minorities don't vote for Republicans, it's because of 50 years of Republican racism, not because the Democrats have a "plan".

The problem with you is that you think in terms of your race and not your economic class...

50 years of Republican Racism?
Who voted for civil rights? Who tried to filibuster it?

 

[Slyhunter]

We can't allow in everyone from shithole countries that want a better life. It would turn America into a shit hole country.
How many more times do I have to post this before you finally watch it and get a clue?

You can post that shit all day, I still won't watch it.

Nobody is saying take them all in.

And frankly, Immigrants make the country stronger.. they bring in ambition that fat lazy Americans just don't have.

Some immigration does that. Those that come in the border illegally don't. They get on welfare, sell drugs, join gangs, etc.
We can't shut immigration down to 0 and we shouldn't. But we should seal the border so only the ones we want get in.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not really, because the reason Democrats want more minorities in the US is to wipe out the white race; not in a genocidal way, but in a political way. Then they can reach their goal of us becoming a one-party country forever.

If minorities don't vote for Republicans, it's because of 50 years of Republican racism, not because the Democrats have a "plan".

The problem with you is that you think in terms of your race and not your economic class...

Of course I do when every other race votes the opposite of me. Yes, Democrats have a plan using the statistics on how people vote. Trust me, if minorities were renown to vote Republican, that wall would have been up over 30 years ago and every illegal caught in prison.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Absolutely. Until this immigration thing came along, the previous leftist cry was about overpopulation here and across the world. Now they are okay with it.

Now they are saying we have to keep growing. Why? What would be wrong with only having 150 million people in the US?

As Flopper claims, we need more people to do the work. Okay, but wouldn't we be in the same position if we had 500, 700, or 900 million people in the US? After all, what creates work is consumption. The more people buy, the more work needed to supply the buyers.

So all their reasons for immigration are a smoke screen. If we have to pay more for lettuce or grapes to keep them out, then so be it.

I like cheap lettuce and grapes... but the point you miss about the population isn't the number.

It's the proportion... If you have 150 million people but because of age groupings, 50 million of them are too old to work, and require the other 100 million to support them.

(Ray screams at his screen "LET THE STARVE! LET THEM STARVE!"

That's where we are at with our demographics now. Too many old people, not enough young workers to replace them and support them.

Then you're in luck, because we have only a little over 40 million retired now out of a 320 million population.

There will always be old people, middle aged people, and young people regardless of the size of country. Baby boomers will die off and the proportion will go back to normal.

And if we need more workers, kick more people off of welfare. They're not doing anything anyhow except sitting home making babies.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You mean like Ireland, Italy and Poland, all of which were "shitholes" when people were trying to get away from them? Oh, but it's okay, these people were white and it happened a long time ago.

That's exactly it, it happened a long time ago when immigrants were needed to build this country. That time is long past and it's time to stop people from coming here.

The funny thing is only some left Europe and most stayed and fought to make their lands a better place too. And now minorities are trying to sneak into many parts of Europe. So what does that tell you?

Again, guy, maybe you're the curdled milk. I mean, you are kind of a loser, I bet most people wouldn't want to live next store to you with your gun fetish and bigotry...

But funny thing, I kind of like living in a free country. The thing is, you've enjoyed white privilage your entire life, and you are STILL a loser who won't even try to get a better job or improve himself. So let's talk about what really scares you, people of color getting the same opportunities that you've had, and doing better than you.

The only person that thinks I'm a loser is you, and you don't even really know me. When Democrats get in power and destroy things for good people, you don't blame the Democrats, you blame the people they attacked. Well guess what Joe, my property value didn't decrease by half because of people like me. If people like me were still around, my property value would be 50% higher than when I bought it 25 years ago.

If it's one thing about you people, it's that you never learn anything. Make the same mistakes over and over expecting different results each time because doing the same stupid things makes you feel tingly all over.