Zone1 What is a person?

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Very much so. Did he do anything that others would not have done eventually? I doubt it.

So you believe there is no value to individual lives because that value will ultimately be provided by another?

 

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Bacteria have survived for billions of years with a decided lack of intelligence.

And has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence being the ultimate functional advantage and destined to arise because of it.

 

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And sometimes those reasons are random, e.g., climate change, volcanic eruptions, asteroids, etc.

No, the reasons why life evolves the way it does are not random. Life adapts to its surroundings for logical reasons. In a universe where intelligence is possible to exist, it will exist eventually because intelligence is a functional advantage. Evolution does not occur randomly. Intelligence exists because it is possible for intelligence to exist and it is logical for intelligence to exist.

 

[alang1216]

It's hilarious that you won't admit intelligence is a functional advantage. Intelligence creates antibiotics that can kill bacteria.

It took about 100,000 years of intelligence to reach this point and now we already have anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

 

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Only if we don't manage to make ourselves extinct.

Every species eventually goes extinct. It's only a matter of time. The sun has a finite life. The earth's core has a finite life. And none of that changes the fact that in a universe where it is possible for intelligence to exist, it will eventually exist because it is logical that it will exist.

 

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It took about 100,000 years of intelligence to reach this point and now we already have anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

So what? Are you arguing that the laws of nature don't make it possible for intelligence to exist? Are you arguing that intelligence isn't a functional advantage? Are you arguing that intelligence existing is an accident? That's it's a random occurrence? What exactly is your argument?

 

[alang1216]

It's the ultimate functional advantage. It's why humans are at the top of the food chain. It's why intelligence was destined to arise.

Yet we still suffer pandemics and infections.

 

[alang1216]

So what? Are you arguing that the laws of nature don't make it possible for intelligence to exist? Are you arguing that intelligence isn't a functional advantage? Are you arguing that intelligence existing is an accident? That's it's a random occurrence? What exactly is your argument?

Intelligence is no different from any other adaptation that gives a survival advantage. It is not the goal of the universe.

 

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Yet we still suffer pandemics and infections.

So what? What is it that you think that means or proves?

 

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Intelligence is no different from any other adaptation that gives a survival advantage. It is not the goal of the universe.

Intelligence is the logical outcome in a universe where life exists. It's perfectly Darwinian.

 

[Curried Goats]

No, the reasons why life evolves the way it does are not random. Life adapts to its surroundings for logical reasons. In a universe where intelligence is possible to exist, it will exist eventually because intelligence is a functional advantage. Evolution does not occur randomly. Intelligence exists because it is possible for intelligence to exist and it is logical for intelligence to exist.

That's not an accurate description of the theory of evolution.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

What is a person? 240612 {post•1}
Meriweather Jun’24 Swiapz: What makes a person different from any other animal/mammal? mrwthr 240612 Swiapz00001

Animal “persons” let the creator of the universe just be god and then become a part of it’s wonder, and thus all encompassed in it’s beauty.

Most human “persons” are taught through the complexity of language by other human “persons” in most cases to not let the creator of the universe just be god; the creator of beauty with it’s given necessity of ugliness.
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We “persons” can miss the meaning of beautiful creation because we learn that we will die before the beautiful solar system and piece of the one vast universes that makes our advanced intelligent existence and highly complicated and vulnerable civilization last almost infinitely longer than we human persons do.

 

[alang1216]

So what? What is it that you think that means or proves?

Are we at the top of the food chain if we can be killed or eaten?

 

[alang1216]

Intelligence is the logical outcome in a universe where life exists. It's perfectly Darwinian.

So is flying and that has evolved several times, well before intelligence. My point is that, to nature, intelligence is just one of many survival adaptations.

 

[alang1216]

So you believe there is no value to individual lives because that value will ultimately be provided by another?

Individual persons have great value. Individual DNA, no matter how unique, not so much.

 

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Are we at the top of the food chain if we can be killed or eaten?

Sure, why not? It's not an invincibility cloak. But are you really arguing we aren't at the top of the food chain? I mean is there anyone making that argument anywhere?

 

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So is flying and that has evolved several times, well before intelligence. My point is that, to nature, intelligence is just one of many survival adaptations.

And your point is wrong. Intelligence is inherent in all living things - to some degree or another - that respond and adapt to their environment.

 

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Individual persons have great value. Individual DNA, no matter how unique, not so much.

Origin of new species would seem to indicate otherwise.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Origin of new species would seem to indicate otherwise.

a brain that ponders “why do I exist” has no purpose in a Garden of Eden where the tree of knowledge produces forbidden fruit

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Individual persons have great value. Individual DNA, no matter how unique, not so much.

Should every unique DNA in every species mean every unique individual from all species be given the sanctity of live personhood that is found in the best of human systems of civil order?