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That's because prayer doesn't work.
Repentance (turning away from sin) for the forgiveness of sins. In other words, you returned the bike and resolved never to steal again.`
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"When I was young, I prayed for a bike but never got one. Then, I discovered God doesn't work that way. So I stole one and prayed for forgiveness."
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`Repentance (turning away from sin) for the forgiveness of sins. In other words, you returned the bike and resolved never to steal again.
Not really but hey, whatever you want to believe is fine by me.
Except it is yours. It may not be your denomination, but it is your religion - Christianity. Just like Muslims don't get to simply dismiss Jihadists as "not our religion", you don't get to dismiss Christians you disagree with doing things you disagree with as "not my religion". You didn't ask what your denomination does to harm society. You asked how has Christianity harmed society. Sorry, Sparky. Your religion does these things.Your reading comprehension skills are 1st grade levels.500 years ago? Really?Onto #5.Really? how about this list of things that Christianity has done, and continues to do to harm society:Yet another thread where the haters proudly proclaim Christianity is so bad for people yet refuse to name even one negative impact. Czernobog being the latest hater to runaway and refuse to back up their claims.Please, by all means tell me what I have lost as a "brainwashed sheep". I keep asking that question to you haters but you haters never answer it.
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
But, you know...Christianity has never done any harm...
Now, here comes the response: "But you are ignoring all of the good that Christianity has done!"
In ...3 ...2 ...1 ...
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
Ah, the "it happened 500 years ago" argument. The today practice you mention is other religions, not mine.
If you want to believe it was done for the good of the people rather than power and control, that is your issue. There is no mention of torturing and burning people at the stake in the Bible.
Nigerian girl 'killed for witchcraft rituals'
Bringing Witch Killers To Justice
And those are just a couple of examples. Apparently you missed the "a practice which still continues today" part.
"The today practice you mention is other religions, not mine."
You want to cherry pick one episode of a group in Nigeria who are not even following Christianity while you ignore the America built and founded by Christians that is the epic of civilization for peaceful coexistence?Except it is yours. It may not be your denomination, but it is your religion - Christianity. Just like Muslims don't get to simply dismiss Jihadists as "not our religion", you don't get to dismiss Christians you disagree with doing things you disagree with as "not my religion". You didn't ask what your denomination does to harm society. You asked how has Christianity harmed society. Sorry, Sparky. Your religion does these things.Your reading comprehension skills are 1st grade levels.500 years ago? Really?Onto #5.Really? how about this list of things that Christianity has done, and continues to do to harm society:Yet another thread where the haters proudly proclaim Christianity is so bad for people yet refuse to name even one negative impact. Czernobog being the latest hater to runaway and refuse to back up their claims.
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
But, you know...Christianity has never done any harm...
Now, here comes the response: "But you are ignoring all of the good that Christianity has done!"
In ...3 ...2 ...1 ...
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
Ah, the "it happened 500 years ago" argument. The today practice you mention is other religions, not mine.
If you want to believe it was done for the good of the people rather than power and control, that is your issue. There is no mention of torturing and burning people at the stake in the Bible.
Nigerian girl 'killed for witchcraft rituals'
Bringing Witch Killers To Justice
And those are just a couple of examples. Apparently you missed the "a practice which still continues today" part.
"The today practice you mention is other religions, not mine."
What a crock of shit. It's Christians who need an excuse to help people. I have pointed this out numerous times. I don't help people because I am afraid of Hell, or trying to get into Heaven, or because some ancient wizard in a book told me I was supposed to. I help people just because it feels better not to be a fucking asshole. What you claimed about motives to help people is a flat out lie. And atheists are more charitable than Christians! There are, in fact, numerous studies that demonstrate this.Christians are the happiest people on earth. We e3njoy everything about life. What is not to enjoy when you help people in need? Atheists like you obviously need to lie and create a false illusion that helping people in need is not enjoyable to justify your pathetic hate filled lives.
You want to cherry pick one episode of a group in Nigeria who are not even following Christianity while you ignore the America built and founded by Christians that is the epic of civilization for peaceful coexistence?Except it is yours. It may not be your denomination, but it is your religion - Christianity. Just like Muslims don't get to simply dismiss Jihadists as "not our religion", you don't get to dismiss Christians you disagree with doing things you disagree with as "not my religion". You didn't ask what your denomination does to harm society. You asked how has Christianity harmed society. Sorry, Sparky. Your religion does these things.Your reading comprehension skills are 1st grade levels.500 years ago? Really?Onto #5.Really? how about this list of things that Christianity has done, and continues to do to harm society:
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
But, you know...Christianity has never done any harm...
Now, here comes the response: "But you are ignoring all of the good that Christianity has done!"
In ...3 ...2 ...1 ...
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
Ah, the "it happened 500 years ago" argument. The today practice you mention is other religions, not mine.
If you want to believe it was done for the good of the people rather than power and control, that is your issue. There is no mention of torturing and burning people at the stake in the Bible.
Nigerian girl 'killed for witchcraft rituals'
Bringing Witch Killers To Justice
And those are just a couple of examples. Apparently you missed the "a practice which still continues today" part.
"The today practice you mention is other religions, not mine."
What do you say about the 165 million murdered by their own atheist governments in just the past century?
Let's make it easy, each one you cut and pasted is either a lie or it is because you or a few people do not follow what the Bible teaches.Really? how about this list of things that Christianity has done, and continues to do to harm society:Yet another thread where the haters proudly proclaim Christianity is so bad for people yet refuse to name even one negative impact. Czernobog being the latest hater to runaway and refuse to back up their claims.Please, by all means tell me what I have lost as a "brainwashed sheep". I keep asking that question to you haters but you haters never answer it.Yeah. That's what it is. LOLHe obviously feels terribly guilty about something, like the other obsessed Xian bashers seem to.
ON EDIT: Actually, upon reflection, you're right. I do feel a bit guilty about something: I feel guilty about all of those poor intelligent people that I convinced to ignore their reason, and logic when I was one of the brainwashed, and led them into a life of ignorant sheep following. I do feel a little guilty about that. Unfortunately, there is little I can do about that. All I can do know, is do my best to rescue as many as I can from that wilful rejection of logic and reason.
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
But, you know...Christianity has never done any harm...
Now, here comes the response: "But you are ignoring all of the good that Christianity has done!"
In ...3 ...2 ...1 ...
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
Bible does not teach that. Luke, author of the Book of Luke, was a medical doctor himself.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
People disown family members for lots of things, politics, money, they borrowed my hedge trimmer and never returned it.......
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
See 12.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
Funny statistics pulled out of the rectum.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
Fantasy scenario that is a lie.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
Only ones into censorship are atheists. Christians established the most freedom loving government in human history.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
As you demonize Christianity.
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
See earlier rebuttal on the long list of famous Christian scientists as well as every man who walked on the moon. There is more wisdom in just the book of Proverbs than in all universities combined. Which explains a lot about your posts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
Honestly, where do you dig this up? See 18 and Christians are not committing mass suicide, no matter how much you pray they do.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
My God directed me to take care of the earth and all of the creatures in it. Your display of ignorance on my faith #459.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
Bible clearly states divorce is allowed if there is abuse. Your display of ignorance of my faith #460.
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
Back to 500 years ago. See post on people using religion for power. The Bible clearly says to walk away in such cases of disagreement. Your display of ignorance of my faith #461.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
When and where did this occur? Strawman.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
Again, people like you who read a tiny fraction of the Bible and jump to wild conclusions.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
And children traumatized by vivid stories that their life is no more important than a mushroom and totally meaningless.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
Atheists long for being able to murder people who they see as unfit. Gypsies, handicapped, etc. Very popular in 1930's Europe.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
Presenting theories and letting the listener decide is called science and freedom, something you atheists obviously hate.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
Back to 500 years ago. Again, people who read a tiny fraction of the Bible and jump to wild conclusions as well as desire to use it for power.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
Because a liquor store is closed people go to church and give their booze money to the church instead? Hilarious.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
Never heard of anyone unqualified yet winning office simply because of their faith or lack of faith. Strawman.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
Again, not following the Bible are they?
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
Do tell!
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
Says the atheist who likes to see Christian artists forced to make their art against their faith or have their lives destroyed. Again with the lies, Christianity does not allow for the execution of unbelievers.
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
Free will, something you atheists obviously hate.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
Again, you read a tiny fraction of the Bible and jump to wild conclusions. Strawman.
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
I know of no one not crediting Scully for getting everyone down safely on the Hudson.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
Mother Teresa, who took in hundreds of thousands of dying people on the streets offered them dignity and care and never denied treatments that were available. Strawman.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
So? Hundreds of billions are spent on football. It is called a free society, again something you atheists hate.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
Again, tiny fraction of the Bible and wild conclusions. God is just. No one has a problem with free will and justice. Except atheists.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
Some people blame a hurricane was caused by a butterfly landing on a flower on the other side of the world, so what's it to you?
Thank you for the time in cutting and pasting that. Every single one of your points is invalid.
So none of you pray prayers of petition? Interesting. I'd be curious to know what denomination you all are. Because every single Evangelical Denomination prays prayers of petition.That's because prayer doesn't work.
Rather, that's because what your idea of prayer is, isn't how many of us approach prayer.
Analogy: Your view of prayer is like a toddler's view of personal transportation being a tricycle, whereas an astronaut's view of transportation is a spaceship. Prayer is not like asking a Genii to grant a wish. Those who think it is will quickly lose interest.
What is accomplished by prayer?
Only atheists are running around in America starting riots and attempting to oppress the liberties of others. Hardly a sign that you atheists are a happy lot.What a crock of shit. It's Christians who need an excuse to help people. I have pointed this out numerous times. I don't help people because I am afraid of Hell, or trying to get into Heaven, or because some ancient wizard in a book told me I was supposed to. I help people just because it feels better not to be a fucking asshole. What you claimed about motives to help people is a flat out lie. And atheists are more charitable than Christians! There are, in fact, numerous studies that demonstrate this.Christians are the happiest people on earth. We e3njoy everything about life. What is not to enjoy when you help people in need? Atheists like you obviously need to lie and create a false illusion that helping people in need is not enjoyable to justify your pathetic hate filled lives.
As to your painfully obvious observationt hat religious people are "happier"? Well, duh! It's easy to be happy when you are delusional, don't have to take any responsibility for your actions, and are convinced that nothing that happens here actually matters, because when you die you are going to Camp Ever Happy!!! My life would be much happier if I could just believe that nothing I do here really matters, that I have a get outa jail free card no matter what, just because I say I'm sorry to my Magic Sky Daddy, and no matter how shitty my life is, it'll all be made better in the Everlasting God Club when I die Unfortunately I'm not delusional, so I have to deal with the real world, right here, as it is. And, sometimes, that sucks.
I went thru each point you copy and pasted with the truth and you post a silly meme saying my rebuttal threatens you.Let's make it easy, each one you cut and pasted is either a lie or it is because you or a few people do not follow what the Bible teaches.Really? how about this list of things that Christianity has done, and continues to do to harm society:Yet another thread where the haters proudly proclaim Christianity is so bad for people yet refuse to name even one negative impact. Czernobog being the latest hater to runaway and refuse to back up their claims.Please, by all means tell me what I have lost as a "brainwashed sheep". I keep asking that question to you haters but you haters never answer it.Yeah. That's what it is. LOL
ON EDIT: Actually, upon reflection, you're right. I do feel a bit guilty about something: I feel guilty about all of those poor intelligent people that I convinced to ignore their reason, and logic when I was one of the brainwashed, and led them into a life of ignorant sheep following. I do feel a little guilty about that. Unfortunately, there is little I can do about that. All I can do know, is do my best to rescue as many as I can from that wilful rejection of logic and reason.
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
But, you know...Christianity has never done any harm...
Now, here comes the response: "But you are ignoring all of the good that Christianity has done!"
In ...3 ...2 ...1 ...
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
Bible does not teach that. Luke, author of the Book of Luke, was a medical doctor himself.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
People disown family members for lots of things, politics, money, they borrowed my hedge trimmer and never returned it.......
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
See 12.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
Funny statistics pulled out of the rectum.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
Fantasy scenario that is a lie.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
Only ones into censorship are atheists. Christians established the most freedom loving government in human history.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
As you demonize Christianity.
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
See earlier rebuttal on the long list of famous Christian scientists as well as every man who walked on the moon. There is more wisdom in just the book of Proverbs than in all universities combined. Which explains a lot about your posts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
Honestly, where do you dig this up? See 18 and Christians are not committing mass suicide, no matter how much you pray they do.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
My God directed me to take care of the earth and all of the creatures in it. Your display of ignorance on my faith #459.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
Bible clearly states divorce is allowed if there is abuse. Your display of ignorance of my faith #460.
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
Back to 500 years ago. See post on people using religion for power. The Bible clearly says to walk away in such cases of disagreement. Your display of ignorance of my faith #461.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
When and where did this occur? Strawman.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
Again, people like you who read a tiny fraction of the Bible and jump to wild conclusions.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
And children traumatized by vivid stories that their life is no more important than a mushroom and totally meaningless.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
Atheists long for being able to murder people who they see as unfit. Gypsies, handicapped, etc. Very popular in 1930's Europe.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
Presenting theories and letting the listener decide is called science and freedom, something you atheists obviously hate.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
Back to 500 years ago. Again, people who read a tiny fraction of the Bible and jump to wild conclusions as well as desire to use it for power.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
Because a liquor store is closed people go to church and give their booze money to the church instead? Hilarious.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
Never heard of anyone unqualified yet winning office simply because of their faith or lack of faith. Strawman.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
Again, not following the Bible are they?
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
Do tell!
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
Says the atheist who likes to see Christian artists forced to make their art against their faith or have their lives destroyed. Again with the lies, Christianity does not allow for the execution of unbelievers.
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
Free will, something you atheists obviously hate.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
Again, you read a tiny fraction of the Bible and jump to wild conclusions. Strawman.
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
I know of no one not crediting Scully for getting everyone down safely on the Hudson.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
Mother Teresa, who took in hundreds of thousands of dying people on the streets offered them dignity and care and never denied treatments that were available. Strawman.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
So? Hundreds of billions are spent on football. It is called a free society, again something you atheists hate.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
Again, tiny fraction of the Bible and wild conclusions. God is just. No one has a problem with free will and justice. Except atheists.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
Some people blame a hurricane was caused by a butterfly landing on a flower on the other side of the world, so what's it to you?
Thank you for the time in cutting and pasting that. Every single one of your points is invalid.FLAG ON THE PLAY
I love how, when they run out of arguments, all these theists consistently go to resorting to logical fallacies to try to "win" the debate.
Let's make it easy, each one you cut and pasted is either a lie or it is because you or a few people do not follow what the Bible teaches.Really? how about this list of things that Christianity has done, and continues to do to harm society:Yet another thread where the haters proudly proclaim Christianity is so bad for people yet refuse to name even one negative impact. Czernobog being the latest hater to runaway and refuse to back up their claims.Please, by all means tell me what I have lost as a "brainwashed sheep". I keep asking that question to you haters but you haters never answer it.Yeah. That's what it is. LOL
ON EDIT: Actually, upon reflection, you're right. I do feel a bit guilty about something: I feel guilty about all of those poor intelligent people that I convinced to ignore their reason, and logic when I was one of the brainwashed, and led them into a life of ignorant sheep following. I do feel a little guilty about that. Unfortunately, there is little I can do about that. All I can do know, is do my best to rescue as many as I can from that wilful rejection of logic and reason.
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
But, you know...Christianity has never done any harm...
Now, here comes the response: "But you are ignoring all of the good that Christianity has done!"
In ...3 ...2 ...1 ...
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
Bible does not teach that. Luke, author of the Book of Luke, was a medical doctor himself.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
People disown family members for lots of things, politics, money, they borrowed my hedge trimmer and never returned it.......
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
See 12.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
Funny statistics pulled out of the rectum.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
Fantasy scenario that is a lie.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
Only ones into censorship are atheists. Christians established the most freedom loving government in human history.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
As you demonize Christianity.
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
See earlier rebuttal on the long list of famous Christian scientists as well as every man who walked on the moon. There is more wisdom in just the book of Proverbs than in all universities combined. Which explains a lot about your posts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
Honestly, where do you dig this up? See 18 and Christians are not committing mass suicide, no matter how much you pray they do.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
My God directed me to take care of the earth and all of the creatures in it. Your display of ignorance on my faith #459.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
Bible clearly states divorce is allowed if there is abuse. Your display of ignorance of my faith #460.
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
Back to 500 years ago. See post on people using religion for power. The Bible clearly says to walk away in such cases of disagreement. Your display of ignorance of my faith #461.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
When and where did this occur? Strawman.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
Again, people like you who read a tiny fraction of the Bible and jump to wild conclusions.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
And children traumatized by vivid stories that their life is no more important than a mushroom and totally meaningless.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
Atheists long for being able to murder people who they see as unfit. Gypsies, handicapped, etc. Very popular in 1930's Europe.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
Presenting theories and letting the listener decide is called science and freedom, something you atheists obviously hate.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
Back to 500 years ago. Again, people who read a tiny fraction of the Bible and jump to wild conclusions as well as desire to use it for power.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
Because a liquor store is closed people go to church and give their booze money to the church instead? Hilarious.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
Never heard of anyone unqualified yet winning office simply because of their faith or lack of faith. Strawman.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
Again, not following the Bible are they?
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
Do tell!
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
Says the atheist who likes to see Christian artists forced to make their art against their faith or have their lives destroyed. Again with the lies, Christianity does not allow for the execution of unbelievers.
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
Free will, something you atheists obviously hate.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
Again, you read a tiny fraction of the Bible and jump to wild conclusions. Strawman.
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
I know of no one not crediting Scully for getting everyone down safely on the Hudson.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
Mother Teresa, who took in hundreds of thousands of dying people on the streets offered them dignity and care and never denied treatments that were available. Strawman.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
So? Hundreds of billions are spent on football. It is called a free society, again something you atheists hate.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
Again, tiny fraction of the Bible and wild conclusions. God is just. No one has a problem with free will and justice. Except atheists.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
Some people blame a hurricane was caused by a butterfly landing on a flower on the other side of the world, so what's it to you?
Thank you for the time in cutting and pasting that. Every single one of your points is invalid.FLAG ON THE PLAY
I love how, when they run out of arguments, all these theists consistently go to resorting to logical fallacies to try to "win" the debate.
I love how, when they run out of arguments, all these theists consistently go to resorting to logical fallacies to try to "win" the debate.
You use what 8 people in Nigeria do who are not even Christians to condemn the religion of billions of people and you post a meme about red herrings?You want to cherry pick one episode of a group in Nigeria who are not even following Christianity while you ignore the America built and founded by Christians that is the epic of civilization for peaceful coexistence?Except it is yours. It may not be your denomination, but it is your religion - Christianity. Just like Muslims don't get to simply dismiss Jihadists as "not our religion", you don't get to dismiss Christians you disagree with doing things you disagree with as "not my religion". You didn't ask what your denomination does to harm society. You asked how has Christianity harmed society. Sorry, Sparky. Your religion does these things.Your reading comprehension skills are 1st grade levels.500 years ago? Really?Onto #5.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
Ah, the "it happened 500 years ago" argument. The today practice you mention is other religions, not mine.
If you want to believe it was done for the good of the people rather than power and control, that is your issue. There is no mention of torturing and burning people at the stake in the Bible.
Nigerian girl 'killed for witchcraft rituals'
Bringing Witch Killers To Justice
And those are just a couple of examples. Apparently you missed the "a practice which still continues today" part.
"The today practice you mention is other religions, not mine."
What do you say about the 165 million murdered by their own atheist governments in just the past century?FLAG ON THE PLAY
I'm sorry. I thought you wanted to discuss whether CHRISTIANITY has ever done harm to society. Why are you suddenly trying to change the subject, now?
Good grief. God knew it was a healthy practice, just as not eating pork and shellfish was.One last one I want to get to first. #10.Really? how about this list of things that Christianity has done, and continues to do to harm society:Yet another thread where the haters proudly proclaim Christianity is so bad for people yet refuse to name even one negative impact. Czernobog being the latest hater to runaway and refuse to back up their claims.Please, by all means tell me what I have lost as a "brainwashed sheep". I keep asking that question to you haters but you haters never answer it.
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
But, you know...Christianity has never done any harm...
Now, here comes the response: "But you are ignoring all of the good that Christianity has done!"
In ...3 ...2 ...1 ...
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%. Three randomized controlled trials have shown that male circumcision provided by well trained health professionals in properly equipped settings is safe.
WHO | Male circumcision for HIV prevention
Male circumcision for HIV prevention
So who is the unscientific one again?
Good grief, what a stupid fucking argument. For one, you are trying to present something we just learned as a reason for a stupid idea that has been around since the first illiterate goat herder heard these bronze age fairy tales around a fire.
Second, genital mutilation also includes mutilating females. But, being the deep thinker you are NOT, this thought never even fizzled into your brain for a fleeting instant.
Third, you dont get to be the retard who says HIV is "God's wrath", and then also assert he thought ahead of a way to save people from getting it.
Seriously...that was mind-numbingly stupid, on every level.
Dufus, you better start thinking outside your tiny bubble, you keep displaying your ignorance on the topic.
Why do you hate science? Circumcision helps prevent people from dying a horrible death. That's why the practice was started by God 3,000 years ago.Good grief. God knew it was a healthy practice, just as not eating pork and shellfish was.One last one I want to get to first. #10.Really? how about this list of things that Christianity has done, and continues to do to harm society:Yet another thread where the haters proudly proclaim Christianity is so bad for people yet refuse to name even one negative impact. Czernobog being the latest hater to runaway and refuse to back up their claims.
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
But, you know...Christianity has never done any harm...
Now, here comes the response: "But you are ignoring all of the good that Christianity has done!"
In ...3 ...2 ...1 ...
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%. Three randomized controlled trials have shown that male circumcision provided by well trained health professionals in properly equipped settings is safe.
WHO | Male circumcision for HIV prevention
Male circumcision for HIV prevention
So who is the unscientific one again?
Good grief, what a stupid fucking argument. For one, you are trying to present something we just learned as a reason for a stupid idea that has been around since the first illiterate goat herder heard these bronze age fairy tales around a fire.
Second, genital mutilation also includes mutilating females. But, being the deep thinker you are NOT, this thought never even fizzled into your brain for a fleeting instant.
Third, you dont get to be the retard who says HIV is "God's wrath", and then also assert he thought ahead of a way to save people from getting it.
Seriously...that was mind-numbingly stupid, on every level.
Dufus, you better start thinking outside your tiny bubble, you keep displaying your ignorance on the topic.
"God knew it was a healthy practice, "
For you to accuse anyone of not thinking outside a bubble is laughable at best, dishonest and nauseating at worst. You are the creep who thinks he can take any of our hard earned knowledge and contort it to fit your bronze age delusions. And the knowledge you can't squeeed into your own little sky wizard bubble, you reject. You are dishonest, anti-intellectual, and childish.
Only atheists are running around in America starting riots and attempting to oppress the liberties of others. Hardly a sign that you atheists are a happy lot.What a crock of shit. It's Christians who need an excuse to help people. I have pointed this out numerous times. I don't help people because I am afraid of Hell, or trying to get into Heaven, or because some ancient wizard in a book told me I was supposed to. I help people just because it feels better not to be a fucking asshole. What you claimed about motives to help people is a flat out lie. And atheists are more charitable than Christians! There are, in fact, numerous studies that demonstrate this.Christians are the happiest people on earth. We e3njoy everything about life. What is not to enjoy when you help people in need? Atheists like you obviously need to lie and create a false illusion that helping people in need is not enjoyable to justify your pathetic hate filled lives.
As to your painfully obvious observationt hat religious people are "happier"? Well, duh! It's easy to be happy when you are delusional, don't have to take any responsibility for your actions, and are convinced that nothing that happens here actually matters, because when you die you are going to Camp Ever Happy!!! My life would be much happier if I could just believe that nothing I do here really matters, that I have a get outa jail free card no matter what, just because I say I'm sorry to my Magic Sky Daddy, and no matter how shitty my life is, it'll all be made better in the Everlasting God Club when I die Unfortunately I'm not delusional, so I have to deal with the real world, right here, as it is. And, sometimes, that sucks.
AND study after study show Christians are far more charitable than atheists.
Why do you hate science? Circumcision helps prevent people from dying a horrible death. That's why the practice was started by God 3,000 years ago.Good grief. God knew it was a healthy practice, just as not eating pork and shellfish was.One last one I want to get to first. #10.Really? how about this list of things that Christianity has done, and continues to do to harm society:
1. The discouragement of rational, critical thought.
2. Vilification of homosexuality, resulting in discrimination, parents disowning their children, murder, and suicide.
3. Women treated like second-class citizens based on religious teachings.
4. Children growing up to hate and fear science and scientists, because science disproves their parents’ religion – leading to appalling scientific illiteracy.
5. Tens of thousands tortured and killed as witches (a practice which still continues today).
6. People aren’t making the most of this life because of their belief in an afterlife.
7. People dying because they believe their faith makes them immune to snake venom, or other lethal aspects of reality.
8. People dying – and letting their children die – because their religion forbids accepting medical help.
9. People choked, starved, poisoned, or beaten to death during exorcisms.
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
11. Psychological and physiological conditions blamed on demons, preventing believers from seeking medical care for themselves and their children.
12. People disowning family members for leaving their religion.
13. Friendships and romances severed or never started over religious differences.
14. “Abstinence-only” sex education, resulting in five times the amount sexually transmitted diseases and teenage pregnancies – often leading to ill-fated “emergency” marriages.
15. Women having septic abortions—or being forced to have unwanted children they resent—because religious organizations have gotten laws passed making abortion illegal or inaccessible.
16. Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
17. The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans (“They’re devil-worshipers!”)
18. Children spending the period of their lives when the brain is most receptive to learning new information reading, rereading, and even memorizing religious texts.
19. People who believe the world is about to end neglect their education, are not financially responsible, and in extreme cases take part in mass suicides.
20. Long-term environmental issues ignored because of beliefs that the rapture/apocalypse or something will happen soon, so they don’t matter.
21. Wives told they will be tortured forever if they leave their abusive husbands (and vice versa).
22. Holy wars – followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
23. The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
24. Slavery condoned by religious texts.
25. Children traumatized by vivid stories of eternal burning and torture to ensure that they’ll be too frightened to even question religion.
26. Terminal patients in constant agony who would end their lives if they didn’t believe it would result in eternal torture.
27. School boards having to spend time and money and resources on the fight to have evolution taught in the schools.
28. Persecution of “heretics”/scientists, like Giordano Bruno (burned at the stake) and Galileo Galilei.
29. Blue laws forcing other businesses to stay closed or limit sales, while churches can generate more revenue.
30. Mayors, senators, and presidents voted into office not because they’re right for the job, but because of their religious beliefs.
31. Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
32. People accepting visual and auditory hallucinations unquestioningly as divine, sometimes with fatal results.
33. Discrimination against atheists, such as laws stating they may not hold public office or testify in court, or in half a dozen countries around the world, laws requiring their execution
34. Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, “heathen” religions and cultures.
35. Hardship compounded by the guilt required to reconcile the idea of a fair god with reality (“why is God punishing me? What have I done wrong? Don’t I have enough faith?”).
36. Human achievements—from skillful surgery to to emergency landings—attributed to gods instead of to the people actually responsible.
37. Mother Teresa, prolonging the agony of terminal patients and denying them pain relief, so she can offer their suffering as a gift to her god.
38. Tens of billions annually in the US alone spent to build, maintain, and staff houses of worship.
39. Grief and horror caused by the belief that dead friends and family members are tortured as punishment for disbelief.
40. Natural disasters and other tragedies used to claim God is displeased and present demands to avoid similar events (it’s like terrorism, but without having to plan or do anything).
But, you know...Christianity has never done any harm...
Now, here comes the response: "But you are ignoring all of the good that Christianity has done!"
In ...3 ...2 ...1 ...
10. Genital mutilation of babies endorsed by religious texts.
There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%. Three randomized controlled trials have shown that male circumcision provided by well trained health professionals in properly equipped settings is safe.
WHO | Male circumcision for HIV prevention
Male circumcision for HIV prevention
So who is the unscientific one again?
Good grief, what a stupid fucking argument. For one, you are trying to present something we just learned as a reason for a stupid idea that has been around since the first illiterate goat herder heard these bronze age fairy tales around a fire.
Second, genital mutilation also includes mutilating females. But, being the deep thinker you are NOT, this thought never even fizzled into your brain for a fleeting instant.
Third, you dont get to be the retard who says HIV is "God's wrath", and then also assert he thought ahead of a way to save people from getting it.
Seriously...that was mind-numbingly stupid, on every level.
Dufus, you better start thinking outside your tiny bubble, you keep displaying your ignorance on the topic.
"God knew it was a healthy practice, "
For you to accuse anyone of not thinking outside a bubble is laughable at best, dishonest and nauseating at worst. You are the creep who thinks he can take any of our hard earned knowledge and contort it to fit your bronze age delusions. And the knowledge you can't squeeed into your own little sky wizard bubble, you reject. You are dishonest, anti-intellectual, and childish.
