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why are they undocumented and living here so long?You either believe in building Trump’s “Great Wall”, believe in separating children from their parents at the U.S. border, believe in removing undocumented immigrants from the country who have lived here for decades and contributed to their community, or you believe in “open borders." It’s a blunt rhetorical trick. It’s crass. But it works. So it’s employed by everyone from the current president down to the many supporters and trolls who carry his water on social media.Well let’s be fair, your offering what you found in a poll of 1000 people based on a general question... I have a pretty wide circle of friends. I live in Cali and Austin tx for parts of the year. Most my friends are pretty liberal. I can only think of only 1 person that supports open boarders and he’s a pretty whacky anarchist... and I can’t think of one person I know that supports full blown socialism. How many of your democratic friends support full socialism?Again slade, I am not offering what I feel, think or what happens when I talk with my circle of friends. I am offering you what democrats themselves say in an objective and factual format.I don’t get that from the people I listen to on the Left. I don’t hear Biden talking about that or Delaney or Ryan or Klobachar.... year Sanders and OAC and other wingnuts are pushing for that stuff. I don’t support them nor do I think they represent most people on the left. People hear socialism and think Iceland and Denmark and Medicare and social security so they say they support it. Ask them if they want Venezuela and gov takeover of all industry and they'll say hell no... at least that’s my hopeYes. Did you?Did you see what question they were asked? Cause Medicare and Social Security are forms of socialism and most people support those... but that’s very different than Venezuela or Nazi Germany. I don't think the majority of Dems want the gov to take over the means and control of all industries. Not even close
There is noting in there about social security or anything else. The question was pretty straight forward: Just off the top of your head, would you say you have a positive or negative image of each of the following. How about ....
You may want to banter about definition but your claim was very straight forward:
vast majority of dems don’t support socialism
And there is no way around it Slade - that is factually and objectively false. The MAJORITY of dems, objectively, support socialism.
And they are talking about taking over and controlling industries. At the moment, they want government to take over the healthcare and higher education markets. It is getting damn close in the IT market from BOTH sides (why I can never be a republican). They have openly bantered about it in the oil markets before. Sanders is a MAJOR contender in this election and was in the last as well and to say he is not a socialist is just ignoring what sanders has been pushing for nigh on 30 years. You know, the rich guy that said it was immoral to be rich - that guy.
There is a significant portion of the democrat party that is hardcore socialist. This primary we will get to see if they really are in the drivers seat.
I know, you don't WANT to admit that a large portion of a major political party has lost their damn minds. Unfortunately they have. Now...
Now for my opinion on the lame defense of the left that has lost their minds:
'Democratic Socialism' is utter bullshit as well. There is no difference between this claptrap and 'Nationalists' telling us they really are not Nazis and are pushing white pride. Peterson has it right here, the problem is that we have no objective measure for when the left goes to far. It is painfully obvious on the right - you have gone to far when you start to talk about purity in any of its forms. With the left I think that line is damn clear as well, equality of outcome, but people have not woken up to the pure evil that is. Democratic socialism is a re-branding of the basis of socialism and most of the people shouting it have no idea what they actually are supporting it. They will support it all the way off the cliff though - the failure of the right to deal with its insanity should provide all the hard proof that you need.
The vast majority of Americans, including most Democrats don’t believe in so-called “open borders.” That’s not to say that no one believes in open borders. Certainly, there are people who do. But most don’t. And open borders is not a policy the Democratic party supports; it’s not part of their platform, and no democratic presidential candidate supports it. Regardless of how many times Trump and his supporters may claim otherwise.
if his goal was to end cancer then they'd rail on trump for that.
Barr kept his cool during the bitch's little act.Like I said back in early May when this Harris vs. Barr clip was first presented. Harris gutted Barr, making him look the incompetent and corrupt fool he is. She'd make short work of trump also since she has the same killer instinct as him but she's far more intelligent. .
Criminal prosecutors and politicians all seem to have a few things in common. They're usually highly intelligent and have extensive knowledge of the law, they're fairly good speakers and communicators, and they're very good at lying when needed. But they're not always nasty like Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and some of the other House Democrats were acting toward Attorney General Barr in their recent circus stunt on the Hill.
And it certainly doesn't seem to help their cause now that they've pissed him off, given the new investigation they're very much aware of,. ( although he never once showed it ) But back to Kamala --she definitely has the unnerving Clintonesque disingenuous characteristic that their voters seems to cling to, with a neoliberal corporate agenda that renders the Democratic party which is moving left more dysfunctional than ever.
I believe she's CIA too, but that's for another chapter.
I cannot believe the arrogance and utter disrespect she shows toward this man.
She's a very good actress. She's also very tough. I bet she slaps around her husband like red headed step child.Barr kept his cool during the bitch's little act.Like I said back in early May when this Harris vs. Barr clip was first presented. Harris gutted Barr, making him look the incompetent and corrupt fool he is. She'd make short work of trump also since she has the same killer instinct as him but she's far more intelligent. .
Great job sir.
Let me guess; The Democrats are going to beat Trump by putting all of the western hemisphere and most of Africa on free Medicare, because they all want open borders, and white people are going to pay for it all, except Canadians, and all of them vied with each other to say they would give away even more, free schools and free collage to all who make it over here, no restrictions on entry, nothing 'rayciss' like that. Harris the professional prostitute and descendant of slave owners, won because she was loud, obnoxious, 'black' and rude, like some the daytime talk show 'hostesses' that women love watch all day.
No surprise there. I bet the fag with the Talking Head show and sicko dyke Maddow really really asked them 'The Hard Questions', too.
You have proved here ^^^ that you are a racist, a misogynist, homophobic and proud of it. What or who or how did someone like you develop such hate for those you don't know and have (likely) never met?
She's a very good actress. She's also very tough. I bet she slaps around her husband like red headed step child.Barr kept his cool during the bitch's little act.Like I said back in early May when this Harris vs. Barr clip was first presented. Harris gutted Barr, making him look the incompetent and corrupt fool he is. She'd make short work of trump also since she has the same killer instinct as him but she's far more intelligent. .
Great job sir.
Let me guess; The Democrats are going to beat Trump by putting all of the western hemisphere and most of Africa on free Medicare, because they all want open borders, and white people are going to pay for it all, except Canadians, and all of them vied with each other to say they would give away even more, free schools and free collage to all who make it over here, no restrictions on entry, nothing 'rayciss' like that. Harris the professional prostitute and descendant of slave owners, won because she was loud, obnoxious, 'black' and rude, like some the daytime talk show 'hostesses' that women love watch all day.
No surprise there. I bet the fag with the Talking Head show and sicko dyke Maddow really really asked them 'The Hard Questions', too.
You have proved here ^^^ that you are a racist, a misogynist, homophobic and proud of it. What or who or how did someone like you develop such hate for those you don't know and have (likely) never met?
Oh Noes!!!! Pop psychobabble from a deviant racist Democrat !!!! Wah!!!!
Let me guess; The Democrats are going to beat Trump by putting all of the western hemisphere and most of Africa on free Medicare, because they all want open borders, and white people are going to pay for it all, except Canadians, and all of them vied with each other to say they would give away even more, free schools and free collage to all who make it over here, no restrictions on entry, nothing 'rayciss' like that. Harris the professional prostitute and descendant of slave owners, won because she was loud, obnoxious, 'black' and rude, like some the daytime talk show 'hostesses' that women love watch all day.
No surprise there. I bet the fag with the Talking Head show and sicko dyke Maddow really really asked them 'The Hard Questions', too.
You have proved here ^^^ that you are a racist, a misogynist, homophobic and proud of it. What or who or how did someone like you develop such hate for those you don't know and have (likely) never met?
Oh Noes!!!! Pop psychobabble from a deviant racist Democrat !!!! Wah!!!!
Denial will not repair your many character flaws.
Let me guess; The Democrats are going to beat Trump by putting all of the western hemisphere and most of Africa on free Medicare, because they all want open borders, and white people are going to pay for it all, except Canadians, and all of them vied with each other to say they would give away even more, free schools and free collage to all who make it over here, no restrictions on entry, nothing 'rayciss' like that. Harris the professional prostitute and descendant of slave owners, won because she was loud, obnoxious, 'black' and rude, like some the daytime talk show 'hostesses' that women love watch all day.
No surprise there. I bet the fag with the Talking Head show and sicko dyke Maddow really really asked them 'The Hard Questions', too.
Lofty expectations there.Harris blew Biden away in the debate. Yes, she can be disrespectful and downright nasty, but she's smart, you can't her shut up, and she will blow Trump away in the debates.
Why are undocumented immigrants here?why are they undocumented and living here so long?You either believe in building Trump’s “Great Wall”, believe in separating children from their parents at the U.S. border, believe in removing undocumented immigrants from the country who have lived here for decades and contributed to their community, or you believe in “open borders." It’s a blunt rhetorical trick. It’s crass. But it works. So it’s employed by everyone from the current president down to the many supporters and trolls who carry his water on social media.Well let’s be fair, your offering what you found in a poll of 1000 people based on a general question... I have a pretty wide circle of friends. I live in Cali and Austin tx for parts of the year. Most my friends are pretty liberal. I can only think of only 1 person that supports open boarders and he’s a pretty whacky anarchist... and I can’t think of one person I know that supports full blown socialism. How many of your democratic friends support full socialism?Again slade, I am not offering what I feel, think or what happens when I talk with my circle of friends. I am offering you what democrats themselves say in an objective and factual format.I don’t get that from the people I listen to on the Left. I don’t hear Biden talking about that or Delaney or Ryan or Klobachar.... year Sanders and OAC and other wingnuts are pushing for that stuff. I don’t support them nor do I think they represent most people on the left. People hear socialism and think Iceland and Denmark and Medicare and social security so they say they support it. Ask them if they want Venezuela and gov takeover of all industry and they'll say hell no... at least that’s my hopeYes. Did you?
There is noting in there about social security or anything else. The question was pretty straight forward: Just off the top of your head, would you say you have a positive or negative image of each of the following. How about ....
You may want to banter about definition but your claim was very straight forward:
vast majority of dems don’t support socialism
And there is no way around it Slade - that is factually and objectively false. The MAJORITY of dems, objectively, support socialism.
And they are talking about taking over and controlling industries. At the moment, they want government to take over the healthcare and higher education markets. It is getting damn close in the IT market from BOTH sides (why I can never be a republican). They have openly bantered about it in the oil markets before. Sanders is a MAJOR contender in this election and was in the last as well and to say he is not a socialist is just ignoring what sanders has been pushing for nigh on 30 years. You know, the rich guy that said it was immoral to be rich - that guy.
There is a significant portion of the democrat party that is hardcore socialist. This primary we will get to see if they really are in the drivers seat.
I know, you don't WANT to admit that a large portion of a major political party has lost their damn minds. Unfortunately they have. Now...
Now for my opinion on the lame defense of the left that has lost their minds:
'Democratic Socialism' is utter bullshit as well. There is no difference between this claptrap and 'Nationalists' telling us they really are not Nazis and are pushing white pride. Peterson has it right here, the problem is that we have no objective measure for when the left goes to far. It is painfully obvious on the right - you have gone to far when you start to talk about purity in any of its forms. With the left I think that line is damn clear as well, equality of outcome, but people have not woken up to the pure evil that is. Democratic socialism is a re-branding of the basis of socialism and most of the people shouting it have no idea what they actually are supporting it. They will support it all the way off the cliff though - the failure of the right to deal with its insanity should provide all the hard proof that you need.
The vast majority of Americans, including most Democrats don’t believe in so-called “open borders.” That’s not to say that no one believes in open borders. Certainly, there are people who do. But most don’t. And open borders is not a policy the Democratic party supports; it’s not part of their platform, and no democratic presidential candidate supports it. Regardless of how many times Trump and his supporters may claim otherwise.
and right now the left believes in stopping trump, whatever is goal is. if his goal was to end cancer then they'd rail on trump for that. we've gone that far off the rails. both sides stop being so god damn stubborn and attack the issues, not each other.
Wouldn’t that be the definition of racism?I know what your talking about but I’m trying to stay on point to this discussion. Criminal justice reform and institutional racism is a huge subject to tackle so I don’t know why you’re bringing into our discussion
You wondered why someone might associate civilized law and order with whites. Im pointing out that black groups pressure politicians who enforce the law..it seems to hit blacks hardest when you punish criminals. Or so blacks claim.
So maybe these people have a reason to associate white with civilized.
Race doesn’t make one civilized... education, money, family environment, upbringing etc are much more influential wouldn’t you agree?
Yes more blacks and browns are effected by the criminal justice system but I bet they are mostly in the lower rung of the socioeconomic system.
And when you deal with inequity with how racial groups are treated, which get highlighted all the time. Then the racial issues just fester and grow.
By calling “civilized” a white thing, I’d argue you are fitting the definition of making a racist comment. Agree or disagree?
I dont really care about parsing the definitions. Call me and Kamala Harris both racists if you like. But I object to your claiming her racism shouldn't be discussed. Her entire campaign is built on her racial preferences.
And my point isnt to explain away black criminality. I simply pointed out that for blacks, as a political grouping, attacking police and law enforcement is SOP. So much so that a black who was a criminal prosecutor has to apologize for being on that side of the law.
Wouldn’t that be the definition of racism?I know what your talking about but I’m trying to stay on point to this discussion. Criminal justice reform and institutional racism is a huge subject to tackle so I don’t know why you’re bringing into our discussion
You wondered why someone might associate civilized law and order with whites. Im pointing out that black groups pressure politicians who enforce the law..it seems to hit blacks hardest when you punish criminals. Or so blacks claim.
So maybe these people have a reason to associate white with civilized.
Race doesn’t make one civilized... education, money, family environment, upbringing etc are much more influential wouldn’t you agree?
Yes more blacks and browns are effected by the criminal justice system but I bet they are mostly in the lower rung of the socioeconomic system.
And when you deal with inequity with how racial groups are treated, which get highlighted all the time. Then the racial issues just fester and grow.
By calling “civilized” a white thing, I’d argue you are fitting the definition of making a racist comment. Agree or disagree?
I dont really care about parsing the definitions. Call me and Kamala Harris both racists if you like. But I object to your claiming her racism shouldn't be discussed. Her entire campaign is built on her racial preferences.
And my point isnt to explain away black criminality. I simply pointed out that for blacks, as a political grouping, attacking police and law enforcement is SOP. So much so that a black who was a criminal prosecutor has to apologize for being on that side of the law.
I don't find Kamala Harris racist at all. I don't see her denigrating and lying about white people, the way you do about blacks and other minorities. And I object to your refusing to discuss your racism.
Your point is to blame criminality on race, rather than poverty, and a system which criminalizes blacks for the same behaviour that whites are given a pass for. Blacks and other minorities have good reason to discuss ill treatment at the hands of police. As Kamala Harris said, "She doesn't know a single young black man who has not been stopped by the police for "NO REASON".
I have lived in a city where white people are a minority, and I can honestly say that I have every black man I have ever known has had similar experiences. This has never happened to any of my family or my white friends. When they've been pulled over, it's been for a reason. Black man driving a really nice car - a Porche, BMW, Mercedes, is going to get pulled over weekly. That's racism.
Yes, as a black prosecutor, she has to apologize for participating in the "zero tolerance" minimum sentencing system which has seen black incarceration jump from 30,000 federal inmates when Reagan was elected, to over 300,000 black men in federal prisons today.
You’re conflating socialism where government control all industry with our system which is capitalist with some government regulation and control. You can support things like the military and not be a socialist even though the government controls it. Same for police, fire, social security, Medicare, public education etc.There are definitely socialist that are Democrats but a democrat is not necessarily a socialist... in fact many of them are notYour first paragraph is a lie, you have no evidence I support Socialism. You use the term as a pejorative and have no understanding of the different iterations of socialism in Asia, in Europe, in S & N. American and in history.
It's Trumpism 101; claim the Democrats are Socialists, Fear Socialism Hate Democrats and don't bother to think.
Rule #1 of the Conservative Wing of the Republican Party: FOLLOW THE LEADER, OR, BE TOSSED UNDER THE BUS AS A RINO/CINO.
Democrats are socialists. It’s that simple. They run socialist candidates. Socialist Party Senators and Congressmen caucus with Democrats in Congress.
There are no successful Democrat candidates who dont support socialism. Its not possible in a party with a socialist platform.
You’re playing the socialism card like your opponents use the race card and it isn’t honest
Definitions again? Cmon. There are avowed socialists in the Democrat Party with enough power to make sure every candidate is, at the very least, not unfriendly to them. That party is full of people spouting slogans that you only heard from Moscow or Beijing for 75 years. Bernie Sanders is a Socialist but he caucuses with the Democrats. Its where he finds a home and a friendly reception of his ideas. But he is a self described socialist. And again he is a serious contender for the highest office the Democrat Party will contest.
I am not going to play the real-socialism-hasn't-been-tried game. Police and military are not socialist and existed well before Marx. I do believe Medicare and Social Security are socialist poisons that have been imposed on us. At least coming from the federal government.
Maybe people exist on a continuum from less to more socialist. In that case democrats occupy the far left end of more socialist. And any and all socialists will find a home in the Democrat Party.
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Hey now.Every one had similar experiences? ….with you? Those poor guys.
