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From a Muslim that would love for this madness to stop.
Imperialism should stop with its invasions, regime changes. Terrorists will have no "cause" to recruit for.
From a Muslim that would love for this madness to stop.
Imperialism should stop with its invasions, regime changes. Terrorists will have no "cause" to recruit for.
Oh, please. ISIS' victims are not only the "crusaders" but also shia, Yazidis, Sunnis who aren't at the same mind with them. They attack them for the same reason they attack the "crusaders". It's what ISIS does. European regimes didn't have anything to look for in Syria before Asad and ISIS started with their crap.
An oxymoron is a phrase with multiple words that are mutually exclusive.When conditions in the world provide security of well being for the people, extremism becomes an oxymoron.
From a Muslim that would love for this madness to stop.
Imperialism should stop with its invasions, regime changes. Terrorists will have no "cause" to recruit for.
I'm not a fan of Assad, but thecoalition did weaken him and that favoured Isis, same goes for Iraq.
The invasions created safe heaven for those groups to gathet, train, supply and conquer.
The US and its allies should leave it alone and reap the fruits....just like withdrawing from Vietnam it stopped the blood spill.
There was never any dialog. What the US has been doing isn't working. It has only made the situation worse and you and others want to continue down the same path.Terrorist attacks will always continue with behavior and attitudes like this. In fact it will only continue to grow rapidly.Promote economic development? How so? Should we find, develop, and purchase from them the most valuable commodity in human history? Oh that's right we already did that.
The problem is Islam and that problem won't go away by retreating from the Middle East which is exactly what they want so they can fill the power vacuum and reestablish their Caliphate. We need to keep our boots on the necks of the Islamic Imperialists at all times, when they get out of line slaughter them in mass without concern for their so called civilian populace, so that they feel subdued.
Domestically the solution is to ban any further Muslims from entering the west, and deporting those who we legally can and insuring that those who we legally can not are forced to leave of their own volition through extrajudicial means of intimidation, violence, and terror. All western apologists who trade western blood and treasure for Muslim votes, campaign contributions, or in the name of the sacred cow of multiculturalism (cheap labour) and continue to advocate on their behalf must be treated as collaborators and traitors against western civilization and suffer the fate reserved for all traitors by any means necessary.
The time for dialog is over, we're coming for blood so either get out of the way or be treated as the appeasing collaborator that you are.
There was never any dialog. What the US has been doing isn't working. It has only made the situation worse and you and others want to continue down the same path.Terrorist attacks will always continue with behavior and attitudes like this. In fact it will only continue to grow rapidly.Promote economic development? How so? Should we find, develop, and purchase from them the most valuable commodity in human history? Oh that's right we already did that.
The problem is Islam and that problem won't go away by retreating from the Middle East which is exactly what they want so they can fill the power vacuum and reestablish their Caliphate. We need to keep our boots on the necks of the Islamic Imperialists at all times, when they get out of line slaughter them in mass without concern for their so called civilian populace, so that they feel subdued.
Domestically the solution is to ban any further Muslims from entering the west, and deporting those who we legally can and insuring that those who we legally can not are forced to leave of their own volition through extrajudicial means of intimidation, violence, and terror. All western apologists who trade western blood and treasure for Muslim votes, campaign contributions, or in the name of the sacred cow of multiculturalism (cheap labour) and continue to advocate on their behalf must be treated as collaborators and traitors against western civilization and suffer the fate reserved for all traitors by any means necessary.
The time for dialog is over, we're coming for blood so either get out of the way or be treated as the appeasing collaborator that you are.
First of all the Muslim population is not my enemy. And unless the US has officially declared war on the entire Muslim population I don't think they should be referred to as the enemy. What you are advocating is far worse than what even Hitler did. If you don't think they would fight back with everything they could then you are very delusional. Also your method would be countered with 100% of the Muslim population and not just 3%. Many westerners would also join in the fight against the atrocities you suggest. Good luck with that.There was never any dialog. What the US has been doing isn't working. It has only made the situation worse and you and others want to continue down the same path.Terrorist attacks will always continue with behavior and attitudes like this. In fact it will only continue to grow rapidly.Promote economic development? How so? Should we find, develop, and purchase from them the most valuable commodity in human history? Oh that's right we already did that.
The problem is Islam and that problem won't go away by retreating from the Middle East which is exactly what they want so they can fill the power vacuum and reestablish their Caliphate. We need to keep our boots on the necks of the Islamic Imperialists at all times, when they get out of line slaughter them in mass without concern for their so called civilian populace, so that they feel subdued.
Domestically the solution is to ban any further Muslims from entering the west, and deporting those who we legally can and insuring that those who we legally can not are forced to leave of their own volition through extrajudicial means of intimidation, violence, and terror. All western apologists who trade western blood and treasure for Muslim votes, campaign contributions, or in the name of the sacred cow of multiculturalism (cheap labour) and continue to advocate on their behalf must be treated as collaborators and traitors against western civilization and suffer the fate reserved for all traitors by any means necessary.
The time for dialog is over, we're coming for blood so either get out of the way or be treated as the appeasing collaborator that you are.
Maybe we should submit as Dhimma and pay the Jiyza, see if that works. Nothing I advocated has been tried so your assertion that it is not working is laughable on its face. Those who have allowed the enemy in the gates and who continue to advocate on their behalf will suffer the fate reserved for all traitors and collaborators.
There was never any dialog. What the US has been doing isn't working. It has only made the situation worse and you and others want to continue down the same path.Terrorist attacks will always continue with behavior and attitudes like this. In fact it will only continue to grow rapidly.Promote economic development? How so? Should we find, develop, and purchase from them the most valuable commodity in human history? Oh that's right we already did that.
The problem is Islam and that problem won't go away by retreating from the Middle East which is exactly what they want so they can fill the power vacuum and reestablish their Caliphate. We need to keep our boots on the necks of the Islamic Imperialists at all times, when they get out of line slaughter them in mass without concern for their so called civilian populace, so that they feel subdued.
Domestically the solution is to ban any further Muslims from entering the west, and deporting those who we legally can and insuring that those who we legally can not are forced to leave of their own volition through extrajudicial means of intimidation, violence, and terror. All western apologists who trade western blood and treasure for Muslim votes, campaign contributions, or in the name of the sacred cow of multiculturalism (cheap labour) and continue to advocate on their behalf must be treated as collaborators and traitors against western civilization and suffer the fate reserved for all traitors by any means necessary.
The time for dialog is over, we're coming for blood so either get out of the way or be treated as the appeasing collaborator that you are.
Maybe we should submit as Dhimma and pay the Jiyza, see if that works. Nothing I advocated has been tried so your assertion that it is not working is laughable on its face. Those who have allowed the enemy in the gates and who continue to advocate on their behalf will suffer the fate reserved for all traitors and collaborators.
First of all the Muslim population is not my enemy.
And unless the US has officially declared war on the entire Muslim population I don't think they should be referred to as the enemy.
What you are advocating is far worse than what even Hitler did.
If you don't think they would fight back with everything they could then you are very delusional. Also your method would be countered with 100% of the Muslim population and not just 3%. Many westerners would also join in the fight against the atrocities you suggest. Good luck with that.
Dont mistake what I am saying here; we should use every tool at our disposal for stopping these terrorist cowards from killing innocent people.
But what would be the most effective thing we could do to discourage and counter-measure the terrorist on the street engaged in Jihad?
Give it your best shot. I'm quite sure I would side with any Muslim before I would side with you. Not one has personally threatened me.There was never any dialog. What the US has been doing isn't working. It has only made the situation worse and you and others want to continue down the same path.Terrorist attacks will always continue with behavior and attitudes like this. In fact it will only continue to grow rapidly.
The time for dialog is over, we're coming for blood so either get out of the way or be treated as the appeasing collaborator that you are.
Maybe we should submit as Dhimma and pay the Jiyza, see if that works. Nothing I advocated has been tried so your assertion that it is not working is laughable on its face. Those who have allowed the enemy in the gates and who continue to advocate on their behalf will suffer the fate reserved for all traitors and collaborators.
First of all the Muslim population is not my enemy.
Then you are a collaborator and an enemy of western civilization and will be delt with accordingly.
Islam has declared war on the west.
No you want them rounded up and you even stated "slaughter them in mass without concern for their so called civilian populace"Defending the homeland against foreign invaders who seek to spill our blood and defending our interests abroad is worse than genocide?
They can't fight back if they aren't here and Hitler based his views on race, I am confronting Islam and Muslims based on their ideology. In fact the same tact that was used against the Nazis needs to be used against the Muslims. Western collaborators will be treated as the enemies to western civilization that they are.
Such blaming bullshit and rejection of responsibilityFrom a Muslim that would love for this madness to stop.
Imperialism should stop with its invasions, regime changes. Terrorists will have no "cause" to recruit for.
Yes, coming from you. Payback is a bitch.Such blaming bullshit and rejection of responsibilityFrom a Muslim that would love for this madness to stop.
Imperialism should stop with its invasions, regime changes. Terrorists will have no "cause" to recruit for.
Give it your best shot. I'm quite sure I would side with any Muslim before I would side with you. Not one has personally threatened me.
No they haven't. Bin Laden and a few of his cronies did. He wanted a religious war. People like you are giving him exactly what he wanted.
No you want them rounded up and you even stated "slaughter them in mass without concern for their so called civilian populace"
Also, your statement about "defending our interests abroad" is what brought on this terrorism in the first place.
You showed no regard for the people of the middle east and then cried foul when they fought back. Payback is a bitch.
Yes, you are so different than Hitler. Hitler wanted to exterminate a whole group of people based on their race... wait Jews are a race, I thought it was a religion.
You are doing the exact same thing. What tact are you referring to that was used against the Nazis. Please elaborate. As for your last sentence. Bring it on.
Give it your best shot. I'm quite sure I would side with any Muslim before I would side with you. Not one has personally threatened me.
Of that I have no doubt, you are clearly an appeaser, apologist, and collaborator with Islamic Imperialist expansionists.
No they haven't. Bin Laden and a few of his cronies did. He wanted a religious war. People like you are giving him exactly what he wanted.
Muslims have been waging war against the US since the founding, in the UK a full 2/3s of British Muslims would not report a fellow Muslim to authorities for joining ISIL. Islam and Muslims are the problem.
No you want them rounded up and you even stated "slaughter them in mass without concern for their so called civilian populace"
Yes I want all Muslims who we can deport legally to be deported, those who are lawful citizens must be forced to leave through extrajudicial means, they have no business in the west. And yes when it comes to foreign policy they should be forced to bend to our will and when they do not then they must be bombed into submission, that is not genocide, that is war.
Also, your statement about "defending our interests abroad" is what brought on this terrorism in the first place.
Lying scum Islamic Imperialist expansionism has brought this terrorism to us in the first place as it has brought terror to the west since Mohammad.
You showed no regard for the people of the middle east and then cried foul when they fought back. Payback is a bitch.
I have no regard for Islamic Imperialist expansionists they are the enemy, they are not fighting a defensive war they are fighting an offensive Jihad of expansionist aggression, that is what Islam does and has always done since its founding.
Yes, you are so different than Hitler. Hitler wanted to exterminate a whole group of people based on their race... wait Jews are a race, I thought it was a religion.
Judaism is an ethnicity and a religion Hitler saw them as a race, the Nazi extermination of the Jews had nothing to do with the Jewish religion whatsoever:
....From the testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen Doutlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:
Q. What were these orders?
A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?
A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.
Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?
A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.
Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?
A. Yes.
Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?
A. Yes.
Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?
A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.
Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-
*Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
**Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.
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pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?
A. Yes, That is right.
Q. They were found in Russia?
A. Yes.
Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?
A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.
Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?
A. Yes.
Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?
A. Yes.
Q. Because of blood?
A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.
Q. And because of their blood, right?
A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.
Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?
A. Between whom?
B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?
A. The difference of the blood, yes.
Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?
A. Yes.
Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?
A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.
Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?
A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.
COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?
OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.
COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?
OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.
COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?
OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.
THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?
OHLENDORF: Yes.
THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?
OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.
THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?
OHLENDORF: Yes.
THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?
OHLENDORF: Yes.
http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Einsatz2c.htm
Ohlentestimony
You are doing the exact same thing. What tact are you referring to that was used against the Nazis. Please elaborate. As for your last sentence. Bring it on.
I see no need to kill all Muslims, I just want them out of the west and to keep them in line abroad which is in the national interest. As to the same tact we used against the Nazis I would suggest mass casualty carpet bombings when they refuse to bend to the will of American power.
Turns out there are actually nearly 30000 'subjects of interest' - the 3000 figure is just the tip of the iceberg.The Brits have 3000 of them on watch lists. Why are they not corralled into camps until sorted out?
The penalty for apostasy in Islam is death.You're probably going to say I am nuts, but more personal freedom to do as you wish in life.
Why? Because religion thirst to repress people and when people are free and can think for themselves they're far less likely to join such idiocy.
You can hire all the police and build a powerful military but without freedom and free thought you'll never defeat religious idiocy.
