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That's not what's happening.
What happened was that insurance companies sold many people "cheap' health care plans that were sub par without telling them that.
They were "sub par" because they didn't cover much in the way of healthcare. Many had really strict caps on how much they would cover..as in they would only go up to a few thousand dollars. They sold these after the law went into effect and had every intention of canceling, jacking up the prices and blaming it on ObamaCare.
Neat trick.
It's amazing so many of you folks fell for it.
Well not really.
By the way..I am selling a bridge in brooklyn..cheap.
You can call it the TemplarKormac Bridge and charge cars to cross it.
Let me know if you are interested.
Funny, I fail to see how every one of those 5 million people had 'sub par' plans, Sallow. Your conspiracy isn't even convincing enough to argue.
It's no "conspiracy theory"..that's what happened. Those policies were issued after the law went into effect.
LOL ... reading along and still seeing the left implying that Obama lied because Republicans weren't bargaining in good faith.
ROFL
Give it up. Obamacare and the nation are fucked because Democrats didn't act in good faith.
Just like how Hyde and Gingrich rushed the Clinton impeachment through because a midterm election showed their hold on power wasn't quite as tight as they hoped, Democrats rushed the ACA into law because with the election of Scott Brown they could no longer deny that America was not with them on the legislation.
Democrats could have passed legislation which didn't increase the angst of Americans and they could have not lied about it. They could have taken a path which could have brought independents into their column and thus swayed savvy moderate Republicans. They chose to do the opposite. And now Democrats want us to address the symptoms of what is wrong here and not address the illness which brought us to the current crisis point.
I have no specific plan for a replacement of Obamacare. Whatever the replacement is -- and there is going to need to be one -- it needs to be approached honestly and with an attempt to find common ground. The kind of approach the true statesman Lieberman suggested back in 2009 -- you know -- the guy Democrats reviled because he had such good sense and didn't walk lockstep with people who were bound and determined to make a bad situation worse.
I really do believe and I have talked with so many over this is that this was not a true attempt at a solution to make Health Care in America more functional on dollars spent versus the populace getting a bigger bang on their dollar.
This was the penultimate academic piece of shit legislation proving one more time, academics don't have a clue how "things work".
Consequently, this fucking sucks big time. Pardon my french but you guys are so screwed it's unreal.
And who is pushing it?
Does anyone really believe that the Republicans want to help Americans get good health insurance?
Yes, and they have said it for years--but you and all your liberal friends never listened.
1. Insurance companies being able to cross state lines--bringing in more competition, thereby lowering premiums.
2 . Small business being able to group together to get the same lower rates as large corporations get, thereby making it affordable to cover employees that work for small business.
3. Tort reform
Sure sounds a hell of a lot better than what's going on today--doesn't it--
You are such an incredible lying sack of shit.
Do you have any idea how much power the Insurance Commissioner in a State has?
Of course not, you're not only a liar, you're stupid.
In my State, the Insurance Commissioner is the 2nd most powerful man in the State.
And you go around selling policies to people that you haven't explained then to, that people don't understand, or that you have lied to them about, and YOU WILL GO TO JAIL.
Try it and find out what happens.
You WILL go to Jail as an Individual and the Insurance Company WILL get fined out the ass and have to make good on any claims.
You are a lying sack of shit.
But, you're a dimocrap, what else is new?
Haven't lied at all, little lady.
Those are the facts.
You're a lying bitch.
It just doesn't happen like that. If something like it does, the customer appeals to the Insurance Department, the Agent gets investigated and probably jailed and the Insurance Company gets fined.
You are a lying sack of shit
Got links? Of course not.
Lying bitch
That's not what's happening.
What happened was that insurance companies sold many people "cheap' health care plans that were sub par without telling them that.
They were "sub par" because they didn't cover much in the way of healthcare. Many had really strict caps on how much they would cover..as in they would only go up to a few thousand dollars. They sold these after the law went into effect and had every intention of canceling, jacking up the prices and blaming it on ObamaCare.
Neat trick.
It's amazing so many of you folks fell for it.
Well not really.
By the way..I am selling a bridge in brooklyn..cheap.
You can call it the TemplarKormac Bridge and charge cars to cross it.
Let me know if you are interested.
Funny, I fail to see how every one of those 5 million people had 'sub par' plans, Sallow. Your conspiracy isn't even convincing enough to argue.
It's no "conspiracy theory"..that's what happened. Those policies were issued after the law went into effect.
Do you seriously think that what we had before ACA as anything perfect, that insurance salesmen were 100% honest. That at the end of the day CEO's of insurance companies were not looking at the bottom dollar.
How do they increase their profits? Explain that to us.
Keep beating the drum about personal responsibilities while citizen united has made if far easier for large companies(corporations) to buy politicians and have the laws moved in their favor.
Your typical response does not make much sense in a litigious world where money and time give those with money and power all the edge.
yes that's a problem, but at the end of the day you can't lie to people about you're selling. You can't pretend you don't have the ability to find out if your insurance company can drop you if you get sick. You can't pretend that you can't find out specifically what your policy covers. You can. The simpe reality is most people don't take the time to find out.
"Americans didn't knowingly vote to be lied to. Some voted for candidates who promised a health insurance remedy which was going to let them keep their doctors and reduce their family's insurance premiums by $2500 a year; others voted for candidates who promised to do their best to keep the worst of Obama's agenda in check. "
And all of them are not willing to go back to the disaster we had. Now we have to compromise and work together on the debacle we have now.
We are not going back.
Funny, I fail to see how every one of those 5 million people had 'sub par' plans, Sallow. Your conspiracy isn't even convincing enough to argue.
It's no "conspiracy theory"..that's what happened. Those policies were issued after the law went into effect.
Can it Sallow.
You're reiterating Obama's reiteration. It wasn't 'you can keep your plan if you like it, as long as it hasn't changed since the law came into effect'
It was purely and simply 'If you like your plan, you can keep you plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period.'
That's not what's happening.
What happened was that insurance companies sold many people "cheap' health care plans that were sub par without telling them that.
They were "sub par" because they didn't cover much in the way of healthcare. Many had really strict caps on how much they would cover..as in they would only go up to a few thousand dollars. They sold these after the law went into effect and had every intention of canceling, jacking up the prices and blaming it on ObamaCare.
Neat trick.
It's amazing so many of you folks fell for it.
Well not really.
By the way..I am selling a bridge in brooklyn..cheap.
You can call it the TemplarKormac Bridge and charge cars to cross it.
Let me know if you are interested.
Funny, I fail to see how every one of those 5 million people had 'sub par' plans, Sallow. Your conspiracy isn't even convincing enough to argue.
It's no "conspiracy theory"..that's what happened. Those policies were issued after the law went into effect.
Haven't lied at all, little lady.
Those are the facts.
You're a lying bitch.
It just doesn't happen like that. If something like it does, the customer appeals to the Insurance Department, the Agent gets investigated and probably jailed and the Insurance Company gets fined.
You are a lying sack of shit
Got links? Of course not.
Lying bitch
Links?
Then what?
You say something like "Oh it's the liberal mainstream media".
Anyway your google works, little lady.
See the below postDo you seriously think that what we had before ACA as anything perfect, that insurance salesmen were 100% honest. That at the end of the day CEO's of insurance companies were not looking at the bottom dollar.
How do they increase their profits? Explain that to us.
yes that's a problem, but at the end of the day you can't lie to people about you're selling. You can't pretend you don't have the ability to find out if your insurance company can drop you if you get sick. You can't pretend that you can't find out specifically what your policy covers. You can. The simpe reality is most people don't take the time to find out.
You must be the dumbest fuck on the planet if you think ACA aka Obamacare is working.
"Americans didn't knowingly vote to be lied to. Some voted for candidates who promised a health insurance remedy which was going to let them keep their doctors and reduce their family's insurance premiums by $2500 a year; others voted for candidates who promised to do their best to keep the worst of Obama's agenda in check. "
And all of them are not willing to go back to the disaster we had. Now we have to compromise and work together on the debacle we have now.
We are not going back.
It's no "conspiracy theory"..that's what happened. Those policies were issued after the law went into effect.
Can it Sallow.
You're reiterating Obama's reiteration. It wasn't 'you can keep your plan if you like it, as long as it hasn't changed since the law came into effect'
It was purely and simply 'If you like your plan, you can keep you plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period.'
Well?
How many people in the US?
Over 200 million right?
5 million displaced?
Do the math.
And Obama didn't seize the HMOs. He had no control over them doing what they did.
Take your own advice..
President Obama didn't get elected, twice, because the majority of Americans liked their healthcare plan.
It was the opposite.
45,000 people dying each year because of lack of healthcare..sucks.
But it's not like you guys actually like Americans..is it?
And who is pushing it?
Does anyone really believe that the Republicans want to help Americans get good health insurance?
There have been many alternatives put forward, but the far left automatically dismisses them because it does not involve total government control over the masses.
Then again Obamacare is not that much different from what Kennedy tried to force on the American people during the Carter years.
Obamacare is the far left wet dream they have been pushing for 40+ years.
Correct.
Reason the boondoggle was adopted in SECRET on a snowy Christmas eve at 1:00 AM. A 1400 page edit that no fucking body read.
.
Accept this 'tax' has a characteristic that no other tax in existence has. It can only be levied against people who don't take part in an action mandated by the federal government. An action that forces them to spend money.
We can engage in semantics and sophistry all day. You and I can phrase and rephrase things over and over. One thing will NOT change: PPACA/Obamacare is constitutional today.
Chief Justice Roberts, writing for the Court, held while the individual mandate is not a valid exercise of Congresss power under the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause, it is valid as an exercise of the taxing power granted the federal government by the Constitution.
Supreme Court Rewrites ObamaCare; Rules Individual Mandate Is Permissible Tax
[ame=http://youtu.be/tQMkOScXctY]Obama in 2009: "Absolutely Not a Tax Increase" - YouTube[/ame]
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LOL ... reading along and still seeing the left implying that Obama lied because Republicans weren't bargaining in good faith.
ROFL
Give it up. Obamacare and the nation are fucked because Democrats didn't act in good faith.
Just like how Hyde and Gingrich rushed the Clinton impeachment through because a midterm election showed their hold on power wasn't quite as tight as they hoped, Democrats rushed the ACA into law because with the election of Scott Brown they could no longer deny that America was not with them on the legislation.
Democrats could have passed legislation which didn't increase the angst of Americans and they could have not lied about it. They could have taken a path which could have brought independents into their column and thus swayed savvy moderate Republicans. They chose to do the opposite. And now Democrats want us to address the symptoms of what is wrong here and not address the illness which brought us to the current crisis point.
I have no specific plan for a replacement of Obamacare. Whatever the replacement is -- and there is going to need to be one -- it needs to be approached honestly and with an attempt to find common ground. The kind of approach the true statesman Lieberman suggested back in 2009 -- you know -- the guy Democrats reviled because he had such good sense and didn't walk lockstep with people who were bound and determined to make a bad situation worse.
I really do believe and I have talked with so many over this is that this was not a true attempt at a solution to make Health Care in America more functional on dollars spent versus the populace getting a bigger bang on their dollar.
This was the penultimate academic piece of shit legislation proving one more time, academics don't have a clue how "things work".
Consequently, this fucking sucks big time. Pardon my french but you guys are so screwed it's unreal.
I know. So much money has been spent or committed on this already. Way more than Democrats will admit -- they're in such denial they keep posting a 2010 breakdown of anticipated costs over and over even though that was quickly shown to be wildly off the mark.
And it's going to cost so much more to fix this.
This was so unnecessary. Democrats fucked up huge.
Part of me is happy to see Obama exposed for the fraud some of us have known him to be for years. Part of me wakes up depressed every morning when I remember how much damage Democrats deliberately inflicted upon us and how hard it's going to be to fix this.
I really do believe and I have talked with so many over this is that this was not a true attempt at a solution to make Health Care in America more functional on dollars spent versus the populace getting a bigger bang on their dollar.
This was the penultimate academic piece of shit legislation proving one more time, academics don't have a clue how "things work".
Consequently, this fucking sucks big time. Pardon my french but you guys are so screwed it's unreal.
I know. So much money has been spent or committed on this already. Way more than Democrats will admit -- they're in such denial they keep posting a 2010 breakdown of anticipated costs over and over even though that was quickly shown to be wildly off the mark.
And it's going to cost so much more to fix this.
This was so unnecessary. Democrats fucked up huge.
Part of me is happy to see Obama exposed for the fraud some of us have known him to be for years. Part of me wakes up depressed every morning when I remember how much damage Democrats deliberately inflicted upon us and how hard it's going to be to fix this.
So many factors at work. North of you we understand what the dems were aiming for and said in horror and were freaking out for all these years going "don't do eeeeeeeeeeeeeet".
All bullshit aside on the net, I've been desperately working for a two tier system here in Canada based on France and Sweden.
Watching you guys just go down the road to this "free healthcare Obama plan" has been surreal.
It won't work. It hasn't here and Britain's NHS program is a nightmare beyond.
And watching this play out cripes what can I say to the libs? Told ya so. Hope your conservative brother in law beats the shit out over Obamacare over Thanksgiving.
None of the plans will be better.
Yeah and those numbers are the only ones they have let out to date.
Silly libs. People are losing their healthcare by the millions but being proud of what is it 27,000 signed up?
So progressive. They think this is a good thing. Change.
27.000 only?
Are you sticking with that number? Or do you want a lifeline.
You're the hog, I am the dog. You are a fucking liar. Why are you doing this Sallow?
You're fucked forever if you keep this up. You will have absolutely no credibility left. And yes I know the where and how you post.
Fuck you buddy. If you are still backing this bullshit there is no help for you.
(CNN) -- Here is CNN's latest reporting on how many Americans have enrolled in Obamacare through the federally run website and through state-run programs, and who have signed up for expanded Medicaid coverage:
HealthCare.gov (36 states)
White House officials revealed Wednesday that 106,185 Americans signed up for health insurance through Obamacare in the program's first month of operation.
Fewer than 27,000 Americans selected an insurance plan through the federal HealthCare.gov site, which is handling enrollment for 36 states.
In addition to sign-ups, nearly 975,500 people have submitted health insurance applications and learned whether they are eligible for Obamacare subsidies. Those people, however, have not yet selected a plan.
The latest on Obamacare enrollment - CNN.com
We can engage in semantics and sophistry all day. You and I can phrase and rephrase things over and over. One thing will NOT change: PPACA/Obamacare is constitutional today.
Chief Justice Roberts, writing for the Court, held while the individual mandate is not a valid exercise of Congresss power under the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause, it is valid as an exercise of the taxing power granted the federal government by the Constitution.
Supreme Court Rewrites ObamaCare; Rules Individual Mandate Is Permissible Tax
[ame=http://youtu.be/tQMkOScXctY]Obama in 2009: "Absolutely Not a Tax Increase" - YouTube[/ame]
Your opinion is duly noted.
The fact that the PPACA was ruled constitutional stands.
The Obama admin had multiple arguments in the court, not unusual at all, and one of those arguments were what Roberts ruled on....the penalty as a tax.
Roberts did NOT make it up out of thin air as whacky wingnut world would have you believe
True story
freaking loved it. 
