What Is The Republican Alternative To ObamaCare

[Edgetho]

It makes a lot of sense to me. However, it won't happen because the Republicans have never been honest brokers on this issue. They are or the status quo.

"Let 'em die." is their motto.

Sad.

The good news is, that 2014 is coming and it will be Winter for the Republicans.

Again you refuse to acknowledge the government alternative which is force someone else to pay for them.

No, what YOU refuse to acknowledge is the fact that we are CURRENTLY forced to pay for the uninsured.

Cut your BS.

And now the gubmint wants us to pay for them AGAIN........ TWICE.

If we're ALREADY PAYING FOR THEM, WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM AGAIN.

You really should think.

Don't tell me you are.... Please. That would hurt

 

[MarcATL]

Again you refuse to acknowledge the government alternative which is force someone else to pay for them.

No, what YOU refuse to acknowledge is the fact that we are CURRENTLY forced to pay for the uninsured.

Cut your BS.

And we still will be under Obamacare.

At much, much, much lower rates AND the majority of the American People will be covered by GOOD health care plans.

What seems to be the problem?

 

[Edgetho]

again you refuse to acknowledge the government alternative which is force someone else to pay for them.

no, what you refuse to acknowledge is the fact that we are currently forced to pay for the uninsured.

Cut your bs.

where do you get your talking points?

cpusa

 

[dblack]

No, what YOU refuse to acknowledge is the fact that we are CURRENTLY forced to pay for the uninsured.

Cut your BS.

This seems like such an odd argument. It's basically 'hair of the dog that bit me'. We have unintended consequences from an ill-conceived, unfunded mandate and your solution is another ill-conceived, unfunded mandate.

 

[Spoonman]

Again you refuse to acknowledge the government alternative which is force someone else to pay for them.

No, what YOU refuse to acknowledge is the fact that we are CURRENTLY forced to pay for the uninsured.

Cut your BS.

Where do you get your talking points?

where most people usually wipe

 

[Edgetho]

No, what YOU refuse to acknowledge is the fact that we are CURRENTLY forced to pay for the uninsured.

Cut your BS.

And we still will be under Obamacare.

At much, much, much lower rates AND the majority of the American People will be covered by GOOD health care plans.

What seems to be the problem?

Where do you come up with this shit, dewd?

If we're ALREADY paying for them, are we going to be getting a Tax Refund or some such bullshit when we fully enact obamacare?

I nailed your nuts to the wall on that one. Don't even try

Edge strikes down another idiotic dimocrap talking point.

I love myself

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No, what YOU refuse to acknowledge is the fact that we are CURRENTLY forced to pay for the uninsured.

Cut your BS.

And we still will be under Obamacare.

At much, much, much lower rates AND the majority of the American People will be covered by GOOD health care plans.

What seems to be the problem?

Another failed talking point.
If rates are cheaper why are rates going up?

 

[Edgetho]

And we still will be under Obamacare.

At much, much, much lower rates AND the majority of the American People will be covered by GOOD health care plans.

What seems to be the problem?

Another failed talking point.
If rates are cheaper why are rates going up?

And if we're already paying for them, why do we have to pay for them again?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You're right. Maybe they really aren't interested in doing that. Not that they can ask it out loud in this new age of entitlements, but of what responsibility is it of government to make sure you can afford health care?

We already pay for each others healthcare. The SCOTUS ruling lays out the answer in the constitutional sphere. In the moral and ethical spheres.if you want to deny society's obligation and duty here, go ahead.

this is a crock of shit. the supreme court ruled obamacare mandate was unconstitutional they ruled it as a tax.

The PPACA contains a 'mandate'

The mandate contains a 'penalty'

The penalty was ruled a 'tax'

The Congress has the constitutional role to pass a tax.


Please try to keep informed, honest, and less hystetical

 

[Bern80]

Disagree: Society should look to healthcare insurance as an entitlement and right for a just society to exist in our modern world.

How is it moral or just to force a man to finance another's existence?

Ignorance of [MENTION=637]Bern80[/MENTION] : SCOTUS ruling

Question: What did the SCOTUS rule on the constitutionality of tge PPACA/Obamacare?

Answer: The PPACA/Obamacare is constitutional on the role of the power(s) invested in the Legislative Branch of government.

Whether the GOP and Rightwing in America voted for a plan based on previously backed conservative arguments and ideas -- out of ideology and party politics, is irrelevant to the constitutionality of the act

I know what SCOTUS ruled on Obamacare. It was not general as to whether the entire bill was constitutional. It was whether the mandate was constitutional which they didn't really rule on one way or the other they simply declared that the penalty for not purchasing it is in fact a tax.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

We already pay for each others healthcare. The SCOTUS ruling lays out the answer in the constitutional sphere. In the moral and ethical spheres.if you want to deny society's obligation and duty here, go ahead.

this is a crock of shit. the supreme court ruled obamacare mandate was unconstitutional they ruled it as a tax.

The PPACA contains a 'mandate'

The mandate contains a 'penalty'

The penalty was ruled a 'tax'

The Congress has the constitutional role to pass a tax.


Please try to keep informed, honest, and less hystetical

One more time the mandate was ruled unconstitutional
obamacare was ruled a tax
Something obama had said earlier it wasn't.
Keep supporting the lie and liar in chief.

 

[dblack]

Disagree: Society should look to healthcare insurance as an entitlement and right for a just society to exist in our modern world.

How is it moral or just to force a man to finance another's existence?

At the core of our political dysfunction is the fantasy that we have a right to be take care of.

 

[Edgetho]

We already pay for each others healthcare. The SCOTUS ruling lays out the answer in the constitutional sphere. In the moral and ethical spheres.if you want to deny society's obligation and duty here, go ahead.

this is a crock of shit. the supreme court ruled obamacare mandate was unconstitutional they ruled it as a tax.

The PPACA contains a 'mandate'

The mandate contains a 'penalty'

The penalty was ruled a 'tax'

The Congress has the constitutional role to pass a tax.


Please try to keep informed, honest, and less hystetical

Yes, and the SCOTUS has ruled that taxes must be levied in a uniform manner. You can't pick who has to pay taxes and who doesn't

the Stuttering Clusterfuck has upset that applecart and if someone challenges him in Court on this, the whole thing might get tossed

 

[LTCArmyRet]

The good news is, that 2014 is coming and it will be Winter for the Republicans.

Just keep thinking that if obamacare was so good and the democrats weren't concerned why is obama trying to make changes in the law?
Democrats wanted this now you have got to spend that money for the dance you did.

The Democrats are NOTORIOUS for being yellow-livered, weak-kneed weasels.

They're caving over politics, as usual.

Nothing new.

The tides will change once the website gets fixed and folks start enrolling and more people start experiencing the benefits waiting for them.

What will be your excuse for hating Obama and ObamaCare then?

Keep telling yourself that this legislative abomination will work if that helps you sleep at night. Meanwhile, there are Americans out there that have been paying good money for years on a health care policy that they were satisfied with. Now it's being stripped from them and then being told that in order to get similar coverage, their premiums are going up and their co-pays are going through the roof.

Just proof that ignorance is bliss.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

At much, much, much lower rates AND the majority of the American People will be covered by GOOD health care plans.

What seems to be the problem?

Another failed talking point.
If rates are cheaper why are rates going up?

And if we're already paying for them, why do we have to pay for them again?

Again?

We do not 'have to' pay for anyone who is sick, ill, injured, or otherwise in need of medical attention.

You are free to be honest here. You believe people should take care of themselves without insurance? You believe the government shouldn't regulate the healthcare insurance industry?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

this is a crock of shit. the supreme court ruled obamacare mandate was unconstitutional they ruled it as a tax.

The PPACA contains a 'mandate'

The mandate contains a 'penalty'

The penalty was ruled a 'tax'

The Congress has the constitutional role to pass a tax.


Please try to keep informed, honest, and less hystetical

Yes, and the SCOTUS has ruled that taxes must be levied in a uniform manner. You can't pick who has to pay taxes and who doesn't

the Stuttering Clusterfuck has upset that applecart and if someone challenges him in Court on this, the whole thing might get tossed

What in the Whacky World of Wingnut Nation are you babbling on about "You can't pick who has to pay taxes and who doesn't"? People who 'choose' not to pay the penalty/tax under the mandate, have chosen to pay.

We tax things, not people. Who has to pay taxes is always decided this way.

 

[tinydancer]

Another failed talking point.
If rates are cheaper why are rates going up?

And if we're already paying for them, why do we have to pay for them again?

Again?

We do not 'have to' pay for anyone who is sick, ill, injured, or otherwise in need of medical attention.

You are free to be honest here. You believe people should take care of themselves without insurance? You believe the government shouldn't regulate the healthcare insurance industry?

Obamacare is a lie. Obama is a liar. Democrats all lied. Some Republicans lied.

Why should any one in America trust liars to run their healthcare system?

This is the question that must be answered.

 

[Bern80]

We already pay for each others healthcare. The SCOTUS ruling lays out the answer in the constitutional sphere. In the moral and ethical spheres.if you want to deny society's obligation and duty here, go ahead.

this is a crock of shit. the supreme court ruled obamacare mandate was unconstitutional they ruled it as a tax.

The PPACA contains a 'mandate'

The mandate contains a 'penalty'

The penalty was ruled a 'tax'

The Congress has the constitutional role to pass a tax.


Please try to keep informed, honest, and less hystetical

Accept this 'tax' has a characteristic that no other tax in existence has. It can only be levied against people who don't take part in an action mandated by the federal government. An action that forces them to spend money.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Insurance companies would not be canceling policies if not for obamacare. However if what you say had one ounce of truth why haven't they done this more often BEFORE OBAMACARE?

Yeah, insurance companies would continue to use smoke and mirrors to sell worthless policies to gullible fools, only to have tax payers bail.everyone out as insurers laugh all the way to the Skyscrapers and Banks they build and own.

Yes, more of the 'it's for your own good' bullshit. God forbid people actually take the time to understand what they're actually buying.

Utilitu bills, insurance coverage, health food, vitamin supplements...water in bottles, advertisements and reasearch into human behavior are used to confuse people in order to sell products.

Why regulate commerce? Why not every man for himself and buyers beware?

You need to stop being an angry lemming and grow the fuck up.

 

[tinydancer]

The PPACA contains a 'mandate'

The mandate contains a 'penalty'

The penalty was ruled a 'tax'

The Congress has the constitutional role to pass a tax.


Please try to keep informed, honest, and less hystetical

Yes, and the SCOTUS has ruled that taxes must be levied in a uniform manner. You can't pick who has to pay taxes and who doesn't

the Stuttering Clusterfuck has upset that applecart and if someone challenges him in Court on this, the whole thing might get tossed

What in the Whacky World of Wingnut Nation are you babbling on about "You can't pick who has to pay taxes and who doesn't"? People who 'choose' not to pay the penalty/tax under the mandate, have chosen to pay.

We tax things, not people. Who has to pay taxes is always decided this way.

You lied that everyone could keep their current plan if they wished to.

You lied that Obamacare would be cheaper. I put up a thread last night that the head honcho has now finally freaking admitted that MOST PLANS WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE EVEN WITH SUBSIDIES.

How fucked up is this dog breakfast and with morons like you defending this bullshit on line?

You are screwed up man and you just now went into the shitter like kidrocks and black label that are in here daily as cheerleaders for the administration.

And I know there are more of you. Just haven't figured out how I am going to handle you in the future because you are lying pieces of fecal matter who propagandize on this site.