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The first step to a cure is to get this Hate, Hate, Hate out of the picture. We are having a pretty good discussion without you coming in here and bringing in the political BS into things.
That's one of the weaknesses with our criminal justice system, in my opinion, relying on the honor system when dealing with criminals. A recent case in point is the individual who shot up his workplace in IL who was still in possession of his weapons after having been flagged and had their firearms rights revoked. Why would they rely on these individuals to "voluntarily" turn in their firearms?You're last two words....but it's ok now, donnie dennison allows the mentally ill to carry.I carry because the laws of my country and state say I have the right to.
Sorry, but if you think you need to be armed at a little girl's soft ball game, you're nuts.
There are already laws on the books that are supposed to keep those who are deemed "mentally deficient" from obtaining a firearm. The BATF Form 4473 asks "have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to an institution?"
There is no law that "allows" a mentally-defective person to "carry" a firearm, much less to purchase one. In order to obtain a concealed carry permit, one has to go through a full criminal background check.
The BATF Form 4473 was instituted during the Gun Control Act of 1968, and was signed by Democrat, LBJ.
Are you saying that the Democrat's gun laws don't work?
Imagine for a moment that guns were fire extinguishers.....
It's like leftist go everywhere throwing gasoline and sparks on combustible materials, then get all bent out of shape because in response, people start carrying around fire extinguishers.
The ONLY reason we have a "gun problem" in this country is because the very people who want so desperately to "control guns" or take them away, make them absolutely necessary through their very poor social policies across the board.
Go back to the 1800's. CHILDREN carried loaded guns to school with them.
Correlation: liberal policies did not yet exist as we unfortunately know them today.
I guess you should keep your children and grandchildren at home.
Years ago I was in line at our grocery store, and I forget how the subject came up with a few other customers. But we were discussing armed citizens. An elderly lady said something similar to what you did. I asked her how would she know who is carrying? She said she could tell just by the looks of them. I asked if I looked like one of those people? She replied "Of course not, you seem like too nice of a man to carry a gun!" I was wearing my shoulder holster and pulled my jacket back to show her I did indeed have a gun, and I just smiled.
I suggest you look up what that action gets you under most States CCW laws.
Some state's laws call the accidental revealing of your carry piece "brandishing." My state doesn't have that provision in our law. Brandishing would be considered waving your weapon around and acting as if you’re going to use it.
He didn't "Accidentally" show it. In this state, that would be considered brandishing.
That sucks. We're lucky to have one of the most liberal concealed carry laws in the country: No course or qualification if you're a veteran, just provide your DD-214. $50 for the initial application and background check, permit good for 5 years, $25 to renew it, carrying in a posted business is just a misdemeanor trespassing charge if you refuse to leave, no rules against "printing" or accidentally revealing your weapon, or even revealing it on purpose. I can even carry concealed in a bar, as long as I'm not drinking anything alcoholic.
The only thing I can't do is carry inside a courthouse, police station, on the grounds of a public school, or in a nut house. We also have open carry too but the federal gun-free school zone laws apply, so you can't carry open within 1,000 feet of a public school. You can carry concealed within 1,000 feet of a public school, but not on the property. Otherwise you have to unload the weapon and put it in the trunk. The laws also did away with having to store a long gun in a case, so now you can just put them in the trunk. Unloaded of course.
I lived in Texas for 25 years and they have no restrictions on long guns. In other words, you can carry a loaded rifle or shotgun anywhere in your vehicle. The police tend to frown on that and rather you kept it out of sight.
In Colorado we also have the Veteran clause as well. But I suggest EVERYONE go through at least the short course. But it's better if you go through the 3 day course.
That's one of the weaknesses with our criminal justice system, in my opinion, relying on the honor system when dealing with criminals. A recent case in point is the individual who shot up his workplace in IL who was still in possession of his weapons after having been flagged and had their firearms rights revoked. Why would they rely on these individuals to "voluntarily" turn in their firearms?You're last two words....but it's ok now, donnie dennison allows the mentally ill to carry.I carry because the laws of my country and state say I have the right to.
Sorry, but if you think you need to be armed at a little girl's soft ball game, you're nuts.
There are already laws on the books that are supposed to keep those who are deemed "mentally deficient" from obtaining a firearm. The BATF Form 4473 asks "have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to an institution?"
There is no law that "allows" a mentally-defective person to "carry" a firearm, much less to purchase one. In order to obtain a concealed carry permit, one has to go through a full criminal background check.
The BATF Form 4473 was instituted during the Gun Control Act of 1968, and was signed by Democrat, LBJ.
Are you saying that the Democrat's gun laws don't work?
I suggest you look up what that action gets you under most States CCW laws.
Some state's laws call the accidental revealing of your carry piece "brandishing." My state doesn't have that provision in our law. Brandishing would be considered waving your weapon around and acting as if you’re going to use it.
He didn't "Accidentally" show it. In this state, that would be considered brandishing.
That sucks. We're lucky to have one of the most liberal concealed carry laws in the country: No course or qualification if you're a veteran, just provide your DD-214. $50 for the initial application and background check, permit good for 5 years, $25 to renew it, carrying in a posted business is just a misdemeanor trespassing charge if you refuse to leave, no rules against "printing" or accidentally revealing your weapon, or even revealing it on purpose. I can even carry concealed in a bar, as long as I'm not drinking anything alcoholic.
The only thing I can't do is carry inside a courthouse, police station, on the grounds of a public school, or in a nut house. We also have open carry too but the federal gun-free school zone laws apply, so you can't carry open within 1,000 feet of a public school. You can carry concealed within 1,000 feet of a public school, but not on the property. Otherwise you have to unload the weapon and put it in the trunk. The laws also did away with having to store a long gun in a case, so now you can just put them in the trunk. Unloaded of course.
I lived in Texas for 25 years and they have no restrictions on long guns. In other words, you can carry a loaded rifle or shotgun anywhere in your vehicle. The police tend to frown on that and rather you kept it out of sight.
In Colorado we also have the Veteran clause as well. But I suggest EVERYONE go through at least the short course. But it's better if you go through the 3 day course.
Most people should have some training, but I've been shooting, collecting, handloading and repairing firearms since the late 60's. Some competitive shooting under my belt and shoot thousands of rounds per year, in .380, 9mm, 7.65mm, .38 Special, .44 magnum, 30-06, 7.62X39, 7.62X51, 7.62X54, 6.5 Japanese, 7.7 Japanese, 7mm and 8mm Mauser, .22 rimfire, and .36,.44, 50, and 58 caliber black powder rifles and pistols.
You need to do a little history reading before you present something like that garbage. Right after the war, there was a saturation of firearms. Rifles and Shotguns weren't the real problem and still aren't today. The problem was the release of the Walker Colt, SW and a few other models revolvers and the mass exodus of the newly released veterans with these weapons into the West. There were more Gun Regulations in Western Towns in the 1880s than there is today to deal with the rampant violence of the "Cowboy". You keep saying that we need more guns. What happened was, they had a saturation of guns. And we aren't any more civilized nor smarter today than they were back then.
That's one of the weaknesses with our criminal justice system, in my opinion, relying on the honor system when dealing with criminals. A recent case in point is the individual who shot up his workplace in IL who was still in possession of his weapons after having been flagged and had their firearms rights revoked. Why would they rely on these individuals to "voluntarily" turn in their firearms?You're last two words....but it's ok now, donnie dennison allows the mentally ill to carry.I carry because the laws of my country and state say I have the right to.
Sorry, but if you think you need to be armed at a little girl's soft ball game, you're nuts.
There are already laws on the books that are supposed to keep those who are deemed "mentally deficient" from obtaining a firearm. The BATF Form 4473 asks "have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to an institution?"
There is no law that "allows" a mentally-defective person to "carry" a firearm, much less to purchase one. In order to obtain a concealed carry permit, one has to go through a full criminal background check.
The BATF Form 4473 was instituted during the Gun Control Act of 1968, and was signed by Democrat, LBJ.
Are you saying that the Democrat's gun laws don't work?
In his case, it shouldn't have been voluntary. But the other side of the coin came into play. One side says that he shouldn't have his weapons (the liberals) while the other side says that it's his right to have them and you have no right to confiscate them. We tried to pass a law last year where when something like this may happen, the Law Enforcement can temporarily take the weapons with a court order. The Dem House passed it by a landslide by both sides but the Senate (Reps) wouldn't even let it out of comittee. This year, the Dems narrowly control both houses and the bill is being rewritten.
Some state's laws call the accidental revealing of your carry piece "brandishing." My state doesn't have that provision in our law. Brandishing would be considered waving your weapon around and acting as if you’re going to use it.
He didn't "Accidentally" show it. In this state, that would be considered brandishing.
That sucks. We're lucky to have one of the most liberal concealed carry laws in the country: No course or qualification if you're a veteran, just provide your DD-214. $50 for the initial application and background check, permit good for 5 years, $25 to renew it, carrying in a posted business is just a misdemeanor trespassing charge if you refuse to leave, no rules against "printing" or accidentally revealing your weapon, or even revealing it on purpose. I can even carry concealed in a bar, as long as I'm not drinking anything alcoholic.
The only thing I can't do is carry inside a courthouse, police station, on the grounds of a public school, or in a nut house. We also have open carry too but the federal gun-free school zone laws apply, so you can't carry open within 1,000 feet of a public school. You can carry concealed within 1,000 feet of a public school, but not on the property. Otherwise you have to unload the weapon and put it in the trunk. The laws also did away with having to store a long gun in a case, so now you can just put them in the trunk. Unloaded of course.
I lived in Texas for 25 years and they have no restrictions on long guns. In other words, you can carry a loaded rifle or shotgun anywhere in your vehicle. The police tend to frown on that and rather you kept it out of sight.
In Colorado we also have the Veteran clause as well. But I suggest EVERYONE go through at least the short course. But it's better if you go through the 3 day course.
Most people should have some training, but I've been shooting, collecting, handloading and repairing firearms since the late 60's. Some competitive shooting under my belt and shoot thousands of rounds per year, in .380, 9mm, 7.65mm, .38 Special, .44 magnum, 30-06, 7.62X39, 7.62X51, 7.62X54, 6.5 Japanese, 7.7 Japanese, 7mm and 8mm Mauser, .22 rimfire, and .36,.44, 50, and 58 caliber black powder rifles and pistols.
There is shooting versus knowing when to pull your weapon. You already notice that both of us have slightly different ideas on that.
You need to do a little history reading before you present something like that garbage. Right after the war, there was a saturation of firearms. Rifles and Shotguns weren't the real problem and still aren't today. The problem was the release of the Walker Colt, SW and a few other models revolvers and the mass exodus of the newly released veterans with these weapons into the West. There were more Gun Regulations in Western Towns in the 1880s than there is today to deal with the rampant violence of the "Cowboy". You keep saying that we need more guns. What happened was, they had a saturation of guns. And we aren't any more civilized nor smarter today than they were back then.
Imagine for a moment that guns were fire extinguishers.....
It's like leftist go everywhere throwing gasoline and sparks on combustible materials, then get all bent out of shape because in response, people start carrying around fire extinguishers.
The ONLY reason we have a "gun problem" in this country is because the very people who want so desperately to "control guns" or take them away, make them absolutely necessary through their very poor social policies across the board.
Go back to the 1800's. CHILDREN carried loaded guns to school with them.
Correlation: liberal policies did not yet exist as we unfortunately know them today.
You need to do a little history reading before you present something like that garbage. Right after the war, there was a saturation of firearms. Rifles and Shotguns weren't the real problem and still aren't today. The problem was the release of the Walker Colt, SW and a few other models revolvers and the mass exodus of the newly released veterans with these weapons into the West. There were more Gun Regulations in Western Towns in the 1880s than there is today to deal with the rampant violence of the "Cowboy". You keep saying that we need more guns. What happened was, they had a saturation of guns. And we aren't any more civilized nor smarter today than they were back then.
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You need to do a little history reading before you present something like that garbage. Right after the war, there was a saturation of firearms. Rifles and Shotguns weren't the real problem and still aren't today. The problem was the release of the Walker Colt, SW and a few other models revolvers and the mass exodus of the newly released veterans with these weapons into the West. There were more Gun Regulations in Western Towns in the 1880s than there is today to deal with the rampant violence of the "Cowboy". You keep saying that we need more guns. What happened was, they had a saturation of guns. And we aren't any more civilized nor smarter today than they were back then.
That's one of the weaknesses with our criminal justice system, in my opinion, relying on the honor system when dealing with criminals. A recent case in point is the individual who shot up his workplace in IL who was still in possession of his weapons after having been flagged and had their firearms rights revoked. Why would they rely on these individuals to "voluntarily" turn in their firearms?
That's one of the weaknesses with our criminal justice system, in my opinion, relying on the honor system when dealing with criminals. A recent case in point is the individual who shot up his workplace in IL who was still in possession of his weapons after having been flagged and had their firearms rights revoked. Why would they rely on these individuals to "voluntarily" turn in their firearms?
It's true the system has flaws and failures.
What's most important is to remember the "Spirit" of the 2nd Amendment and it's primary purpose.
We shouldn't let the actions of a few dictates the rights of the many.
As far as this case, perhaps there was a failure in this case where a visit to the home was warranted. This happens too often. The Parkland shooter had also been "flagged"
In a "free" society, there will always be a way for bad people to do bad things. Again, we need to keep the spirit of our laws in mind and how it affects the many.
I don't mean flagging literally. I mean once it has been determined or discovered that a firearm owner has become a prohibited person. For example in the case that I cited, the workplace shooter WAS a prohibited person who apparently was not honest on one of the forms that he was required to fill out. However once the discrepency was discovered via a federal background check to my understanding, instead of confiscating his weapon or issuing a warrant for failure to comply with a surrender order, they instead relied on him to voluntarily surrender his weapons.I don't think "flagging" is reasonable or legal.
You can't take guns from someone without creating a 2 tiered society, or those with full rights and those with less than that.
If someone is dangerous and can be proven to be dangerous in court, than a judge should issue a warrant for his arrest, not for his legal guns. All that is going to do is ensure he will obtain illegal guns and do what they were concerned with.
Confiscating legal guns does not at all reduce the ability to get illegal ones any more than the War on Drugs eliminated illegal drugs.
The only hope of society is to lock up bad people, not all the possible means by which they could do bad, because that obviously is impossible.
