What kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed?

[Harpy Eagle]

It was national news . Shooting at mall, everyone freaking out . Marine pulls his gun out . Cops show up and immediately gun him down thinking he was the bad guy .

Nothing can stop an idiot with a gun as fast as a cop who can't tell who the bad guy. is.

"Oh, I'm so scared of guns. I"m scared that the mean old bad guy might shoot me but I'm also scared that the police might shoot me...wahhh"

You might as well just stay locked up in your apartment, just to be safe.

You're the coward. That decision is for you to make.

Actually, no. It takes a certain amount of bravery for a man to take upon himself the responsibility for his own personal safety, and the safety of his loved ones.

A true "coward" would be those like yourself, who would rather become a murder victim than to protect themselves and their family members. History is full of cowards who had neither the tools nor the inclination to survive, and it's pretty obvious that you are of the same mindset.

If you are afraid to face the world without being armed 24/7, you are a coward.

I do not think that coward is the correct word for either side of the discussion.

I own a couple guns, do not carry, open or concealed unless I am going to shoot them. Have no need nor desire to have a firearm on my person at all times. Not because I am afraid of guns nor people who carry them, I just do not see the point at this place in my life.

But by the same token, I know a lot of people that are armed just about everywhere they go, to them slipping on their gun is no different than putting on their belt or shoes. None of them do it out of fear, anymore than locking your door in your car is done out of fear.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Nothing can stop an idiot with a gun as fast as a cop who can't tell who the bad guy. is.

"Oh, I'm so scared of guns. I"m scared that the mean old bad guy might shoot me but I'm also scared that the police might shoot me...wahhh"

You might as well just stay locked up in your apartment, just to be safe.

You're the coward. That decision is for you to make.

Actually, no. It takes a certain amount of bravery for a man to take upon himself the responsibility for his own personal safety, and the safety of his loved ones.

A true "coward" would be those like yourself, who would rather become a murder victim than to protect themselves and their family members. History is full of cowards who had neither the tools nor the inclination to survive, and it's pretty obvious that you are of the same mindset.

If you are afraid to face the world without being armed 24/7, you are a coward.

I do not think that coward is the correct word for either side of the discussion.

I own a couple guns, do not carry, open or concealed unless I am going to shoot them. Have no need nor desire to have a firearm on my person at all times. Not because I am afraid of guns nor people who carry them, I just do not see the point at this place in my life.

But by the same token, I know a lot of people that are armed just about everywhere they go, to them slipping on their gun is no different than putting on their belt or shoes. None of them do it out of fear, anymore than locking your door in your car is done out of fear.

Aaaaaaand...those people don’t go around expressing their desire to shoot someone. Those people aren’t cowards. JGalt is.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You're last two words....but it's ok now, donnie dennison allows the mentally ill to carry.

There are already laws on the books that are supposed to keep those who are deemed "mentally deficient" from obtaining a firearm. The BATF Form 4473 asks "have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to an institution?"

There is no law that "allows" a mentally-defective person to "carry" a firearm, much less to purchase one. In order to obtain a concealed carry permit, one has to go through a full criminal background check.

The BATF Form 4473 was instituted during the Gun Control Act of 1968, and was signed by Democrat, LBJ.

Are you saying that the Democrat's gun laws don't work?

If so many aren't required to fill out that form before they purchase a gun, it can't do much to stop anyone. That's why we need universal background checks.

Lol
More frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul... fact

Oh, I agree. Most frivolous gun control laws don't. But the ones we have here have save countless lives. When each year, they send over 100 convicted violent felons trying to buy guns back to prison then background checks are working. And don't go into the Cite, Cite crap again. I already provided you with the stats from 2016 for the State of Colorado awhile back so don't deny it and that exact number was 127.

States like South Dakota are rolling back frivolous gun control laws, and it’s making the state safer place to live

South Dakota has more gun deaths per 1000 people than Illinois!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Not always a smart move either. I was talking to a worker at one of our customers while making a delivery. I knew him outside of work as well. He is a part-time CCW instructor, and he told me of a business (I forget which state) that got sued and lost because a customer was seriously hurt after leaving his store which could have been prevented had he been armed which the store disallowed.

So having one of those signs can make you just as liable as not having one.

Yeah, got to call bullshit on this story. Without some sort of proof, it is just a made up story either by you or your friend.

 

[M14 Shooter]

After open carry was passed in Texas, signs like this went up everywhere....fucking EVERYWHERE.
So if guns are such a good thing, why were they banned...everywhere?????

Didn't happen. You made this up to support your otherwise unsupportable point.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How many kids at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida would be alive right now if just one or two of the teachers who were near the shooter had been carrying a gun?

Nowadays you never know where you might encounter an armed criminal.

I'm so sick of this argument.

Because it destroys your narrative.

 

[RealDave]

So very often I see conversations such as these:

Astonishing that you cant go for a walk without taking your gun.Its like living in a prison.

You have to wonder what kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed.

The obvious response:
The same places where we're told gun-violence is -so- bad that we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms.
If gun violence is indeed that bad, how is it unreasonable to carry a gun for self-defense?

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

You make a really stupid argument.

First, who is against properly vetted & trained people carrying concealed guns?

My problem with toters is that so many are poorly trained, if trained at all. These people are a threat to everyone they are near. Will they mishandle their gun, is the safety on, will they rush into a situation & kill the wrong person? Do they carry because it puffs out their chest & turns them into the "tough guy" assholes?

I have lived a long time & never ever had a situation where I needed to be armed. So why would I risk myself, my family, and others to carry a loaded gun?

What are the odds of you getting shot in gun violence? Weigh that against the chance you or yor family or othrers get harmed by your mishandling or someone getting that gun?

Why are you afraid of proper training & background checks?

 

[M14 Shooter]

And I can bet you have an uncontrolable hip roll like many fashion statement open carry do. This is a form of intimidation. If you do that around me, you WILL get confronted as I will not allow you to intimidate others

Sure, tough guy.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

You make a really stupid argument.

I see you avoided my question.
Just like everyone else.

 

[M14 Shooter]

How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?
Well?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You…

Look at you, avoidng the very issue you brought up.
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

No one said anything about anyone being ‘nuts’ – that’s your word, and consequently the fallacy.

I thank your for, predictably, avoiding the issue at hand.

 

[M14 Shooter]

[...]
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

You're right. Other people's dead school kids are a small price to pay to assuage your paranoia.

Look at you, avoiding the question.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

At the time, I had a pretty high Military Security Clearance. What was it? Hell, never asked and if I had, I wouldn't have had it. Those that ask can't keep it. Those that claim that they know or knew what their real security level is or was are either lying out their ass or are fakes. The FBI already had all that information. I had recently retired from the Air Force and the Clearance was still standing.

Have to call bullshit on this story as well. If you do not know your "real security" level, then you do not know what you have access to see.

I was the Secondary Control Point Custodian for the 1st MAW G3 and I knew exactly what clearance everyone had, otherwise they would have never have been allowed access to the classified information.

Where do you people come up with these stories?

 

[JGalt]

So very often I see conversations such as these:

Astonishing that you cant go for a walk without taking your gun.Its like living in a prison.

You have to wonder what kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed.

The obvious response:
The same places where we're told gun-violence is -so- bad that we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms.
If gun violence is indeed that bad, how is it unreasonable to carry a gun for self-defense?

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

What’s obvious is that the response fails as a strawman fallacy.

No one seeks to restrict citizens’ right to keep and bear arms.

The Second Amendment is not ‘unlimited’ – It is not a right to possess and carry any gun whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.

Government has the authority to place regulations and restrictions on the sale and possession of firearms, regulations and restrictions which are perfectly Constitutional when they comport with Second Amendment case law.

Actually, the ONLY source of authority is from the defense of individual rights.
So government borrows authority when it is necessary in order to defend the rights of individuals.
But clearly since police are armed, then there must be good cause to be armed, and then everyone has that need and right because the cause exists. And no one can claim that police have a greater need, because criminals attack civilians, they do not attack police. It is civilians who need to defend themselves, not police.

If you want to restrict sale and possession of firearms, you have to prove it is necessary in order to defend individual rights, and you have to apply those restrictions equally to police as well. The 14th amendment requires that.

The truth is that police officers carry weapons to protect themselves, not us. The Supreme Court ruled that police officers have "no constitutional duty to protect."

 

[evenflow1969]

The anti gun left wants a world where every citizen needs to be prepared at all times to "throw down" with whatever random crazy person who decides he doesn't like your face no matter if you're disabled, a woman or an 81 year old man. You don't get to have an equalizer, learn to take a punch like a MAN.

Actually libs really don't care about the guns. What bothers them is our ability to defend ourselves without the Democrat party.

They are not stupid either, they only appear to be. They know damn well if they could ever regulate guns out of our society, the only people that would have them would be the criminals and the cops. That makes the rest of us victims. And as we all know, Democrats love victims and victims love Democrats.

The two biggest Democrat support groups are government dependents and victims. The more of those two groups, the greater strength they have. So it makes sense to disarm America to create more victims.

Common man you live in Ohio a good percent of the Dems are carrying here. The funny thing is you would not want to carry in CA or New York and there is more likelyhood you will need it there. Dem does not equal Lib. It is not that simple. Hell a good percent of Ohioans were carrying before it was legal. Especially in small towns. If they did not have it on them it was on thier gun rack in their truck. Most the people I know are armed Democrat or Republican. Hell here is a democrat that has fishing poles, blankets,food,tent, hatchet, and yes gun in my jeep most the time. I am ready to camp,hunt,and fish at the drop of a hat. I also keep rain gear and carharts in there. Not really a protection thing for me, just a life style choice. I travel for work and have freinds all over the state that like to hunt. I normally do not have a pistol but there is typically a rifle and a shot gun in my vehicle.

 

[Lesh]

I carry because the laws of my country and state say I have the right to.

Sorry, but if you think you need to be armed at a little girl's soft ball game, you're nuts.

You never know...

Two Dads Get In a Bloody Brawl Over Daughter's Softball Game

And add guns to that brawl and what happens?

Yea...dead people...dead kids

 

[Rustic]

There are already laws on the books that are supposed to keep those who are deemed "mentally deficient" from obtaining a firearm. The BATF Form 4473 asks "have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to an institution?"

There is no law that "allows" a mentally-defective person to "carry" a firearm, much less to purchase one. In order to obtain a concealed carry permit, one has to go through a full criminal background check.

The BATF Form 4473 was instituted during the Gun Control Act of 1968, and was signed by Democrat, LBJ.

Are you saying that the Democrat's gun laws don't work?

If so many aren't required to fill out that form before they purchase a gun, it can't do much to stop anyone. That's why we need universal background checks.

Lol
More frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul... fact

Oh, I agree. Most frivolous gun control laws don't. But the ones we have here have save countless lives. When each year, they send over 100 convicted violent felons trying to buy guns back to prison then background checks are working. And don't go into the Cite, Cite crap again. I already provided you with the stats from 2016 for the State of Colorado awhile back so don't deny it and that exact number was 127.

States like South Dakota are rolling back frivolous gun control laws, and it’s making the state safer place to live

South Dakota has more gun deaths per 1000 people than Illinois!

Lol
Where are those at?
In South Dakota we have two cities Sioux Falls and Rapid City, and we have nine Indian reservations.
If you take out two cities and the nine Indian reservations we have next to no violent crime in the state.
Suicides do not count, it’s the most cowardly act anyone can do.
And accidental deaths do not count… Shit happens.

So your numbers are not adding up…

 

[Rustic]

So very often I see conversations such as these:

Astonishing that you cant go for a walk without taking your gun.Its like living in a prison.

You have to wonder what kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed.

The obvious response:
The same places where we're told gun-violence is -so- bad that we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms.
If gun violence is indeed that bad, how is it unreasonable to carry a gun for self-defense?

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

You make a really stupid argument.

First, who is against properly vetted & trained people carrying concealed guns?

My problem with toters is that so many are poorly trained, if trained at all. These people are a threat to everyone they are near. Will they mishandle their gun, is the safety on, will they rush into a situation & kill the wrong person? Do they carry because it puffs out their chest & turns them into the "tough guy" assholes?

I have lived a long time & never ever had a situation where I needed to be armed. So why would I risk myself, my family, and others to carry a loaded gun?

What are the odds of you getting shot in gun violence? Weigh that against the chance you or yor family or othrers get harmed by your mishandling or someone getting that gun?

Why are you afraid of proper training & background checks?

A lot of rural America grew up around firearms, they don’t need permission from a fucked up federal government to know how to handle firearms.

 

[Rustic]

I carry because the laws of my country and state say I have the right to.

Sorry, but if you think you need to be armed at a little girl's soft ball game, you're nuts.

You never know...

Two Dads Get In a Bloody Brawl Over Daughter's Softball Game

And add guns to that brawl and what happens?

Yea...dead people...dead kids

Blame the individuals not the firearm

 

[Blues Man]

I carry because the laws of my country and state say I have the right to.

do you do everything that your country and state say you have the right to do?

Sure, why not? People died for my Second Amendment right so out of respect, I will take full advantage of that right. Plus I've been a member of the "gun culture" all my life.

So it's a fashion statement. Good for you.

Yeah a fashion statement that no one can see hence the term concealed