What kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed?

[M14 Shooter]

We do not punish people by curbing their rights because they might do something.

In a police state, they do. That's what he wants.

 

[JGalt]

You never know...

Two Dads Get In a Bloody Brawl Over Daughter's Softball Game

Yep. A gun would have come in real handy there.

It's a shame nobody got shot and sent to the morgue that day.

A simple brawl doesn't necessitate a shooting. That's why I carry pepper spray and a boot knife. If those don't get the point across, then out comes the pistol.

What a scary world, eh?

Not really all that scary if you're prepared for whatever might happen.

You carry pepper spray, a knife, and a pistol.

Paranoia is a hell of a thing huh?

I carry what the law allows me to carry. Trying to be a little tyrant is a hell of a thing, ain't it? How do you manage?

The truth is, you're the one who is scared shitless and paranoid. Otherwise why would you be so insistent on passing more gun laws?

 

[Blues Man]

[
People still die for your supposed right to carry a gun. Possession of a firearm isn't an absolute right.

Since you avoided the issue at hand...
If gun violence doesn't rise to a level where the average person needs a firearm for self-defense, why do we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms?

Q. If gun violence doesn't rise to a level where the average person needs a firearm for self-defense, why do we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms?

A. Because no one can predict when the law abiding becomes a law breaker. Regulations, such as requiring a license to own, possess or have in one's custody and control is a minor restriction, as can be seen by the numbers of people licensed to drive, to perform surgery, represent others in court, etc.

Registration of all firearms, focus on the word arms, seems reasonable. Gravity knives, push button knives,
nunchucks are illegal in many states; thus, why can't each state decide on licensing to own or possess them and for them to be registered?

As for arms, do you support the right to your own fragmentation grenade?

i think you mean *IF* the law abiding citizen becomes a law breaker.

or do you think every gun owner is going to break the laws now?

P1 I meant what I wrote: "no one can predict when the law abiding becomes a law breaker"

P2 No, I do not think every gun owner is going to break the law (now or in the future). Yet everyday a gun is used by someone to harm another, and many times people who know the shooter are surprised it was not like him or her.

And, BTW, I don't believe licensing and registration is a panacea, it is nothing more than an effort to reduce all gun violence from mass murders to suicides, and every purpose outside the law.

Thus, the manner in which the gun is obtained by the bad actor becomes necessary. And can be seen as aiding and abetting a murder, or careless disregard for securing the gun, allowing it to be stolen, or selling a gun so it is in the wind.

And if purchased legally, mandatory waiting times and other vetting of the purchaser may be necessary.

Let the people in every state decide on gun control laws by their vote.

Maybe we should let people in every state vote on all rights and truly have mob rule

 

[Blues Man]

I'm sorry -- you actually believe we should restrict the rights of the law abiding because they might commit a crime?
All people? All rights? Or just the people/rights you don't like?

How does your belief support the position that gun violence is at the level where we need to restrict the rights of the law abiding, but not to the level where the law abiding need a gun for self-defense?

While I agree with you 100%, the 2nd Amendment wasn't really adopted so we could fight crime, per se. Shoot Indians? A little bit.

Mostly, it was written and adopted so that, We The People, could never be trampled by an abusive government. Ever again.

Which is 100% why dimocrap scum hate it so much. Elected dimocrap FILTH will even tell you in private that they have no hope of establishing socialism in this Country as long as we have a 2nd Amendment.

THAT is why they're against it.

You need to understand something, people. dimocraps are TOTALITARIAN SCUM. Their goal is the absolute rule over everything you do.

The amount of energy you consume, the amount of pollutants you diffuse from said energy usage, how many children you have, where and if you decide to worship, what you can and can't eat, your freedom of movement..... Everything.

dimocrap scum are totalitarian scum. All you gotta do is open your eyes and look. ALL of their policies are aimed at one thing -- Domination.

Believe it

It's people like you who have proved gun control is not only sufficient but necessary.

And not the millions of gun owners who never have and never will commit a crime with their firearms?

 

[Blues Man]

I see, If I don't do exactly as you say I am avoiding?

If you do not address the question, you have avoided the question.
Thus, you avoided the question.

You can't skirt the fact that we hit the gun saturation level....

"Saturation level?
Meaningfully define this and then show how we are there.
Then show how being there necessitates further restrictions on the law abiding and their right to keep and bear arms

Saturation means Too Many. Simple as that. You have some that will use them responsible. But you will also have those that won't. The ones that won't are not criminals, just stupid. So we remove the Gun regs. Here is what that looks like.

You are sitting in a Bar drinking your drink quietly. A couple of Drunks gets into it. It starts out as a fist fight but turns into a gun fight. Now, Drunks are poor shots at best. Remember the old song Cow Patty for that gunfight?

It's not your place to tell anyone they have too many anything

 

[JGalt]

The Democrats, Media and Education have brainwashed many people into thinking all guns are bad and that they cause violence on their own.

The end game is purely to disarm the law abiding to create more dependency on government and hence more government control.

Politicians and government bureaucrats hate that we can legally own guns and potentially resist their over bearing power.

Worse than that, they've managed to brainwash people into an irrational fear of firearms. The end is the same though: If they can get enough scared little people to back them, they'll do everything they can to enact more restrictive gun control measures.

 

[miketx]

Guys, I'm as Pro-Second Amendment as it gets and there ARE too many guns in America in the wrong hands.

The average Joe shouldn't be able to go out and buy a semi-auto Long Gun without some education on how to use it, IMHO. You just never know when dimocraps might make themselves a serious nuisance.

But here's the thing. If dimocrap scum want to blame somebody, they need to blame themselves --

From Pravda West:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...llion-guns-since-1986/?utm_term=.bbdd283e778c

U.S. companies have manufactured more than 70 million firearms since 2008, rapidly escalating the production of pistols and the types of rifles used in recent mass shootings, government and industry data show.

In 2016, the latest year for which data is available, production spiked as firearms companies built roughly 11 million guns, in part because of a belief that Democrats (aka; dimocrap scum) would win elections that year and curb access to semiautomatic weapons such as the AR-15 rifle.

More than 4 million rifles were produced in 2016, up from 1.8 million in 2010. The National Rifle Association has estimated that 25 percent of all rifles produced in the United States are AR-15s or other semiautomatic styles, while other gun groups have said the ratio is closer to 50 percent.

All told, U.S. companies have manufactured more than 150 million firearms since 1986, according to the “Annual Firearms Manufacturing and Export Report,” published each year by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Perhaps the liberals should start prosecuting them and stop letting them loose.

 

[Rustic]

I'm sorry -- you actually believe we should restrict the rights of the law abiding because they might commit a crime?
All people? All rights? Or just the people/rights you don't like?

How does your belief support the position that gun violence is at the level where we need to restrict the rights of the law abiding, but not to the level where the law abiding need a gun for self-defense?

While I agree with you 100%, the 2nd Amendment wasn't really adopted so we could fight crime, per se. Shoot Indians? A little bit.

Mostly, it was written and adopted so that, We The People, could never be trampled by an abusive government. Ever again.

Which is 100% why dimocrap scum hate it so much. Elected dimocrap FILTH will even tell you in private that they have no hope of establishing socialism in this Country as long as we have a 2nd Amendment.

THAT is why they're against it.

You need to understand something, people. dimocraps are TOTALITARIAN SCUM. Their goal is the absolute rule over everything you do.

The amount of energy you consume, the amount of pollutants you diffuse from said energy usage, how many children you have, where and if you decide to worship, what you can and can't eat, your freedom of movement..... Everything.

dimocrap scum are totalitarian scum. All you gotta do is open your eyes and look. ALL of their policies are aimed at one thing -- Domination.

Believe it

It's people like you who have proved gun control is not only sufficient but necessary.

The vast majority of violent crime in this country is in progressive controlled urban areas by repeat offenders mostly… Attacking law abiding citizens in rural America does nothing other than separate the country more

 

[Wry Catcher]

I'm sorry -- you actually believe we should restrict the rights of the law abiding because they might commit a crime?
All people? All rights? Or just the people/rights you don't like?

How does your belief support the position that gun violence is at the level where we need to restrict the rights of the law abiding, but not to the level where the law abiding need a gun for self-defense?

While I agree with you 100%, the 2nd Amendment wasn't really adopted so we could fight crime, per se. Shoot Indians? A little bit.

Mostly, it was written and adopted so that, We The People, could never be trampled by an abusive government. Ever again.

Which is 100% why dimocrap scum hate it so much. Elected dimocrap FILTH will even tell you in private that they have no hope of establishing socialism in this Country as long as we have a 2nd Amendment.

THAT is why they're against it.

You need to understand something, people. dimocraps are TOTALITARIAN SCUM. Their goal is the absolute rule over everything you do.

The amount of energy you consume, the amount of pollutants you diffuse from said energy usage, how many children you have, where and if you decide to worship, what you can and can't eat, your freedom of movement..... Everything.

dimocrap scum are totalitarian scum. All you gotta do is open your eyes and look. ALL of their policies are aimed at one thing -- Domination.

Believe it

It's people like you who have proved gun control is not only sufficient but necessary.

The vast majority of violent crime in this country is in progressive controlled urban areas by repeat offenders mostly… Attacking law abiding citizens in rural America does nothing other than separate the country more

As I proposed, let the people of each state decide on gun control, or no gun control.

 

[Rustic]

No. A sneeze guard won’t help a freak kill a dozen innocent people in seconds nor be used to accidentally blow a hole in the chest of a toddler who finds it in daddy's closet.

Idiot.

You have an unreasonable prejudice toward gun owners. You think we all leave our guns laying around and get drunk, howl at the moon, and shoot up the town.

That is you main problem.

This is how my gun local range operates, and this is how I treat gun safety:
Men banned from gun range after taking selfie with gun

.

I am a gun owner, moron. And lots of fun owners are idiots who don't properly store them so that kids cannot get them. Moron.

Shit happens, More frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul

 

[g5000]

So very often I see conversations such as these:

Astonishing that you cant go for a walk without taking your gun.Its like living in a prison.

You have to wonder what kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed.

The obvious response:
The same places where we're told gun-violence is -so- bad that we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms.
If gun violence is indeed that bad, how is it unreasonable to carry a gun for self-defense?

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

The retards who think they have to carry a gun are the same retards who believe Fox News when it tells them there are no-go zones in America.

A little doom music, some manufactured bullshit, and the tards are shitting in their pants.

They don't know how to walk upright like a man.

 

[Rustic]

That's a dumb excuse. What are the chances of getting into deadly trouble a gun can save you from in suburban America? Especially if you are untrained in it's use? I'd be willing to bet you are more likely to be struck by lighting or hit by a bus.

It only takes one time.

Better to be prepared than not.

There is little or no chance my house will burn down but that doesn't mean I let my insurance lapse.

...and The country is getting more and more socialist. That brings out desperate fucked up people

You have never lived or even visited a real socialist country, kid. I have. The US is not now, will never and never has been a socialist country. It's just a word to you to use to try and belittle others. I know something about the culture you keep tossing around. That culture exists like it does out of choice, not by purpose.

Yes I’ve been to Europe many times, it sucks.
In my whole adolescence life I lived in a purely socialist environment it’s called an Indian reservation.

Europe is NOT Socialist by Governance. Not one single Socialist Government exists in Europe. You are too young to have been in Spain under Fascism so you don't know anything about Fascism. You have never visited Poland before it broke away. I have been in both. Socialism cannot exist as a Government for very long anymore than Fascism (Capitalism) can exist as a Government. Franco is the only one that ever made Fascism last only by modifying it. Much like China has done with theirs. What you see in Europe are closer to Socio-Democratic Countries. But this is not the time nor the place to educate you. You wouldn't accept the education anyway.

Socialism only suits progressives… That much is obvious

 

[Pilot1]

I'm sorry -- you actually believe we should restrict the rights of the law abiding because they might commit a crime?
All people? All rights? Or just the people/rights you don't like?

How does your belief support the position that gun violence is at the level where we need to restrict the rights of the law abiding, but not to the level where the law abiding need a gun for self-defense?

While I agree with you 100%, the 2nd Amendment wasn't really adopted so we could fight crime, per se. Shoot Indians? A little bit.

Mostly, it was written and adopted so that, We The People, could never be trampled by an abusive government. Ever again.

Which is 100% why dimocrap scum hate it so much. Elected dimocrap FILTH will even tell you in private that they have no hope of establishing socialism in this Country as long as we have a 2nd Amendment.

THAT is why they're against it.

You need to understand something, people. dimocraps are TOTALITARIAN SCUM. Their goal is the absolute rule over everything you do.

The amount of energy you consume, the amount of pollutants you diffuse from said energy usage, how many children you have, where and if you decide to worship, what you can and can't eat, your freedom of movement..... Everything.

dimocrap scum are totalitarian scum. All you gotta do is open your eyes and look. ALL of their policies are aimed at one thing -- Domination.

Believe it

It's people like you who have proved gun control is not only sufficient but necessary.

The vast majority of violent crime in this country is in progressive controlled urban areas by repeat offenders mostly… Attacking law abiding citizens in rural America does nothing other than separate the country more

As I proposed, let the people of each state decide on gun control, or no gun control.

The States agreed to the 2nd Amendment when they became states. It is NOT a state issue. They shouldn't be allowed to pass any gun laws .

 

[Rustic]

Guys, I'm as Pro-Second Amendment as it gets and there ARE too many guns in America in the wrong hands.

The average Joe shouldn't be able to go out and buy a semi-auto Long Gun without some education on how to use it, IMHO. You just never know when dimocraps might make themselves a serious nuisance.

But here's the thing. If dimocrap scum want to blame somebody, they need to blame themselves --

From Pravda West:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...llion-guns-since-1986/?utm_term=.bbdd283e778c

U.S. companies have manufactured more than 70 million firearms since 2008, rapidly escalating the production of pistols and the types of rifles used in recent mass shootings, government and industry data show.

In 2016, the latest year for which data is available, production spiked as firearms companies built roughly 11 million guns, in part because of a belief that Democrats (aka; dimocrap scum) would win elections that year and curb access to semiautomatic weapons such as the AR-15 rifle.

More than 4 million rifles were produced in 2016, up from 1.8 million in 2010. The National Rifle Association has estimated that 25 percent of all rifles produced in the United States are AR-15s or other semiautomatic styles, while other gun groups have said the ratio is closer to 50 percent.

All told, U.S. companies have manufactured more than 150 million firearms since 1986, according to the “Annual Firearms Manufacturing and Export Report,” published each year by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Actually this country needs to be better armed, by law abiding Citizen’s

 

[Rustic]

So very often I see conversations such as these:

Astonishing that you cant go for a walk without taking your gun.Its like living in a prison.

You have to wonder what kind of horrible, dangerous places do these people live that hey have to go out armed.

The obvious response:
The same places where we're told gun-violence is -so- bad that we need to further restrict the law abiding in their exercise of the right to keep and bear arms.
If gun violence is indeed that bad, how is it unreasonable to carry a gun for self-defense?

Why is the people who ask this question never want to discuss the answer?
How is it gun violence can be so bad that we need more gun control laws, but people who want to carry a gun to protect themselves are nuts?

The retards who think they have to carry a gun are the same retards who believe Fox News when it tells them there are no-go zones in America.

A little doom music, some manufactured bullshit, and the tards are shitting in their pants.

They don't know how to walk upright like a man.

You have no credibility on the issue, it’s best if you stay in your safe space

 

[Wry Catcher]

Cars, swimming pools and ladders kill more than guns. Your argument is beyond ridiculous but that's normal for you, right?

Apples and Orangutans ^^^

Cars, pools and ladders are all regulated. Your comment is not new, and has been posted dozens of times. Grow up and think for yourself.

 

[Rustic]

Cars, swimming pools and ladders kill more than guns. Your argument is beyond ridiculous but that's normal for you, right?

Apples and Orangutans ^^^

Cars, pools and ladders are all regulated. Your comment is not new, and has been posted dozens of times. Grow up and think for yourself.

No one has a right to own cars, pools and ladders… So your argument is irrelevant

 

[Wry Catcher]

Guys, I'm as Pro-Second Amendment as it gets and there ARE too many guns in America in the wrong hands.

The average Joe shouldn't be able to go out and buy a semi-auto Long Gun without some education on how to use it, IMHO. You just never know when dimocraps might make themselves a serious nuisance.

But here's the thing. If dimocrap scum want to blame somebody, they need to blame themselves --

From Pravda West:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...llion-guns-since-1986/?utm_term=.bbdd283e778c

U.S. companies have manufactured more than 70 million firearms since 2008, rapidly escalating the production of pistols and the types of rifles used in recent mass shootings, government and industry data show.

In 2016, the latest year for which data is available, production spiked as firearms companies built roughly 11 million guns, in part because of a belief that Democrats (aka; dimocrap scum) would win elections that year and curb access to semiautomatic weapons such as the AR-15 rifle.

More than 4 million rifles were produced in 2016, up from 1.8 million in 2010. The National Rifle Association has estimated that 25 percent of all rifles produced in the United States are AR-15s or other semiautomatic styles, while other gun groups have said the ratio is closer to 50 percent.

All told, U.S. companies have manufactured more than 150 million firearms since 1986, according to the “Annual Firearms Manufacturing and Export Report,” published each year by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Actually this country needs to be better armed, by law abiding Citizen’s

First, the NRA and you (I suppose) oppose background checks, extending backgrounds checks and any effort to infringe on the possession, ownership or custody of a gun.

So, how do you find out if someone is law abiding? Was OJ law abiding after he was acquitted in the Criminal Court in and for the County of Los Angles?

 

[Rustic]

Guys, I'm as Pro-Second Amendment as it gets and there ARE too many guns in America in the wrong hands.

The average Joe shouldn't be able to go out and buy a semi-auto Long Gun without some education on how to use it, IMHO. You just never know when dimocraps might make themselves a serious nuisance.

But here's the thing. If dimocrap scum want to blame somebody, they need to blame themselves --

From Pravda West:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...llion-guns-since-1986/?utm_term=.bbdd283e778c

U.S. companies have manufactured more than 70 million firearms since 2008, rapidly escalating the production of pistols and the types of rifles used in recent mass shootings, government and industry data show.

In 2016, the latest year for which data is available, production spiked as firearms companies built roughly 11 million guns, in part because of a belief that Democrats (aka; dimocrap scum) would win elections that year and curb access to semiautomatic weapons such as the AR-15 rifle.

More than 4 million rifles were produced in 2016, up from 1.8 million in 2010. The National Rifle Association has estimated that 25 percent of all rifles produced in the United States are AR-15s or other semiautomatic styles, while other gun groups have said the ratio is closer to 50 percent.

All told, U.S. companies have manufactured more than 150 million firearms since 1986, according to the “Annual Firearms Manufacturing and Export Report,” published each year by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Actually this country needs to be better armed, by law abiding Citizen’s

First, the NRA and you (I suppose) oppose background checks, extending backgrounds checks and any effort to infringe on the possession, ownership or custody of a gun.

So, how do you find out if someone is law abiding, was OJ law abiding after he was acquitted in the Superior Court in and for the County of Los Angles?

Lol
First of all background checks are required with every firearm purchase in a retail store, private sales are no one else’s business that’s why they are called private sales.

Why force something on somebody because something might happen? that sounds very Orwellian to me

 

[M14 Shooter]

[
As I proposed, let the people of each state decide on gun control, or no gun control.

As limited by the 2nd and other Amendments, of course.