Whatever ever happened to the little sign ‘We have a right to refuse service’?

[JoeB131]

I would say - GOOD! I don't want to do business with you then. Just as the gay community should with a baker who doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding. And then both sides can go about their lives in FREEDOM and let the chips fall where they may.

Uh, no.

Here's the thing, guy. It goes back to the "You Didn't Build THat" mentality.

The gays are paying the taxes that allow the baker to have a business. He's paying for the roads and the police protection and the utilities that the baker needs to be in business.

Hence, the term, "Public Accommodation".

And sweet evil Jesus, man, this isn't even a new concept. We had this argument 40 years ago over race and your side lost.

 

[P@triot]

The gay community and the liberals have lost their little Nazi minds. A privately owned business has the right to refuse to conduct business with anybody they want. Period. It's not even open for debate.

Further still, the 1st Amendment affords you the right to practice your religious belief. And the little liberal/gay Nazi community is working so hard to trample on that right as well.

All I can say is that I hope these companies deliver the most dreadful products and services when they are unconstitutionally forced to by the liberal Nazi's. If you're a bakery and you're forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, I hope you put 70lbs of salt in the cake and make the frosting primarily out of vinegar so that they vomit when they eat it. Then maybe word will spread in their little gay circles that your bakery isn't any good and you can be left the hell alone to conduct your private business as you see fit.

*Note - desperate Nazi liberals will try to spin this as "homophobia" because they need to justify their anti-constitutional Nazi beliefs. However, it is not. I couldn't care less if someone is gay. What I do care about however is when they unconstitutionally force someone to do their bidding because they think being gay makes them special and entitled.

It's an agenda of reeducation

It amazes me how stupid you are... the law says and this is nothing new you can refuse to serve some one if they are causing trouble in your business thats it ... being gay isn't causing trouble in your business ... being black isn't causing you trouble in your business ... being mexican isn't causing trouble in your business ... if you choose to refuse service to any of these reason then you are violating the law and you can be held responsible for your actions... the fact that you don't like gays people, or black people, or mexicans, doesn't give you the right to refuse service to them period ... being liberal has nothing to do with these rights ... being and american has everything to do with these rights ... I live in colorado and this guy should have been nailed to the cross for violating their rights to be served and now its going to cost him a lot of money I hope it cost him so much money that it causes him to close shop ... we don't need people like this in the UNited States of America doing business

So tell me junior, am I forced to allow gay people into my house to have sex? I mean, as long as they aren't "causing trouble", I can't deny them access in your fucked up, illiterate, disturbed mind.

 

[Mac1958]

I don't get the big deal.

If a business doesn't want my money I'll find another that does.

I won't lose a minute's sleep over it either.

These guys saw an opportunity to make a big deal out of this and punish the guy.

They could have just told him to shove it, but they wanted to issue their "consequences".

That's how the PC Police rolls.

.

 

[billyerock1991]

The gay community and the liberals have lost their little Nazi minds. A privately owned business has the right to refuse to conduct business with anybody they want. Period. It's not even open for debate.

Further still, the 1st Amendment affords you the right to practice your religious belief. And the little liberal/gay Nazi community is working so hard to trample on that right as well.

All I can say is that I hope these companies deliver the most dreadful products and services when they are unconstitutionally forced to by the liberal Nazi's. If you're a bakery and you're forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, I hope you put 70lbs of salt in the cake and make the frosting primarily out of vinegar so that they vomit when they eat it. Then maybe word will spread in their little gay circles that your bakery isn't any good and you can be left the hell alone to conduct your private business as you see fit.

*Note - desperate Nazi liberals will try to spin this as "homophobia" because they need to justify their anti-constitutional Nazi beliefs. However, it is not. I couldn't care less if someone is gay. What I do care about however is when they unconstitutionally force someone to do their bidding because they think being gay makes them special and entitled.

It's an agenda of reeducation

Well, that was a different America, before we were discussing how the Constitution was written by rich white slave owners and how the country needed to be fundamentally changed. So that's gone, sorry.

Rather than doing the heavy lifting of working on changing hearts and minds, the narcissistic Left has chosen to instead go with intimidation, conformity and "consequences" for anyone who (currently) thinks differently.

You will conform or else.

.

thats the only way you bone head republicans can learn... we learned to let the law do it ... if you don't like american law, then be like Snowden, ask for political asylum ... that way you can move to russia have your way about the gay people in your country ... until then american rules not you fear of gays

 

[JoeB131]

Whatever ever happened to the little sign… ‘We have a right to refuse service’?

It was replaced with a sign that says "Shirts and Shoes required"

To keep out redneck conservatives

So if I walk in without a shirt and/or shoes, do you have the right to deny me service? Oops....hypocrite.

(Give a liberal 5 seconds and they will defeat their own argument every time)

Um, yeah.

Walking in without shoes or a shirt is unsanitary.

Now, hey, if the gay couple starts engaging in anal sex on the counter, I think the baker would have the right to make them leave. Or maybe he'd just enjoyed watching, because it's been scientifically established most homophobic people are latantly gay.

 

[P@triot]

I would say - GOOD! I don't want to do business with you then. Just as the gay community should with a baker who doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding. And then both sides can go about their lives in FREEDOM and let the chips fall where they may.

Uh, no.

Here's the thing, guy. It goes back to the "You Didn't Build THat" mentality.

The gays are paying the taxes that allow the baker to have a business. He's paying for the roads and the police protection and the utilities that the baker needs to be in business.

Hence, the term, "Public Accommodation".

And sweet evil Jesus, man, this isn't even a new concept. We had this argument 40 years ago over race and your side lost.

Uh, no.

Here's the thing guy - the roads and the police and the utilities have nothing to with that man's business.

If they did, you would have a business (you have the exact same access to the exact same roads, utilities, and law enforcement). Would you like to try again?

 

[JoeB131]

I don't get the big deal.

If a business doesn't want my money I'll find another that does.

I won't lose a minute's sleep over it either.

These guys saw an opportunity to make a big deal out of this and punish the guy.

They could have just told him to shove it, but they wanted to issue their "consequences".

That's how the PC Police rolls.

.

Well, yeah, how dare he break the law and think he can get away with it.

Hey, if he doesn't like the law, he should appeal to the state legislature and the governor to get a new law passed.

But as long as that IS the law, he should obey it.

This is not a difficult concept.

 

[P@triot]

Whatever ever happened to the little sign… ‘We have a right to refuse service’?

It was replaced with a sign that says "Shirts and Shoes required"

To keep out redneck conservatives

So if I walk in without a shirt and/or shoes, do you have the right to deny me service? Oops....hypocrite.

(Give a liberal 5 seconds and they will defeat their own argument every time)

Um, yeah.

Walking in without shoes or a shirt is unsanitary.

Now, hey, if the gay couple starts engaging in anal sex on the counter, I think the baker would have the right to make them leave. Or maybe he'd just enjoyed watching, because it's been scientifically established most homophobic people are latantly gay.

How is it "unsanitary"? The customer is not in the kitchen baking the cake. Oops...

Would you like to try again?

 

[Mac1958]

The gay community and the liberals have lost their little Nazi minds. A privately owned business has the right to refuse to conduct business with anybody they want. Period. It's not even open for debate.

Further still, the 1st Amendment affords you the right to practice your religious belief. And the little liberal/gay Nazi community is working so hard to trample on that right as well.

All I can say is that I hope these companies deliver the most dreadful products and services when they are unconstitutionally forced to by the liberal Nazi's. If you're a bakery and you're forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, I hope you put 70lbs of salt in the cake and make the frosting primarily out of vinegar so that they vomit when they eat it. Then maybe word will spread in their little gay circles that your bakery isn't any good and you can be left the hell alone to conduct your private business as you see fit.

*Note - desperate Nazi liberals will try to spin this as "homophobia" because they need to justify their anti-constitutional Nazi beliefs. However, it is not. I couldn't care less if someone is gay. What I do care about however is when they unconstitutionally force someone to do their bidding because they think being gay makes them special and entitled.

It's an agenda of reeducation

Well, that was a different America, before we were discussing how the Constitution was written by rich white slave owners and how the country needed to be fundamentally changed. So that's gone, sorry.

Rather than doing the heavy lifting of working on changing hearts and minds, the narcissistic Left has chosen to instead go with intimidation, conformity and "consequences" for anyone who (currently) thinks differently.

You will conform or else.

.

thats the only way you bone head republicans can learn... we learned to let the law do it ... if you don't like american law, then be like Snowden, ask for political asylum ... that way you can move to russia have your way about the gay people in your country ... until then american rules not you fear of gays

I'm guessing this will completely confuse you, but I'm pro gay rights and I'm not a Republican.

Your third-grade insults and name-calling notwithstanding, I'll bet that somewhere down deep you realize that not everyone is a partisan ideologue like you.

I also posted "I want to change hearts and minds about homosexuality." Is that in any way ambiguous for you?

Please play with someone else, thanks.

.

 

[P@triot]

I don't get the big deal.

If a business doesn't want my money I'll find another that does.

I won't lose a minute's sleep over it either.

These guys saw an opportunity to make a big deal out of this and punish the guy.

They could have just told him to shove it, but they wanted to issue their "consequences".

That's how the PC Police rolls.

.

Well, yeah, how dare he break the law and think he can get away with it.

Hey, if he doesn't like the law, he should appeal to the state legislature and the governor to get a new law passed.

But as long as that IS the law, he should obey it.

This is not a difficult concept.

It's not the law junior. The Constitution is the highest law in the land and trumps state and local law (it's called the Supremacy Clause junior). And the Constitution protects both your private property (which a bakery is) and your 1st Amendment rights.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I don't get the big deal.

If a business doesn't want my money I'll find another that does.

I won't lose a minute's sleep over it either.

These guys saw an opportunity to make a big deal out of this and punish the guy.

They could have just told him to shove it, but they wanted to issue their "consequences".

That's how the PC Police rolls.

.

Well, yeah, how dare he break the law and think he can get away with it.

Hey, if he doesn't like the law, he should appeal to the state legislature and the governor to get a new law passed.

But as long as that IS the law, he should obey it.

This is not a difficult concept.

I'm addressing more the people who get their panties in a wad if a business owner ships them.

Like I said if a business owner told me to take my business elsewhere that's exactly what i would do and I would get everyone I know to do the same. I wouldn't go running to the courts about it.

If someone doesn't want your money there are plenty of other businesses that do

 

[billyerock1991]

The gay community and the liberals have lost their little Nazi minds. A privately owned business has the right to refuse to conduct business with anybody they want. Period. It's not even open for debate.

Further still, the 1st Amendment affords you the right to practice your religious belief. And the little liberal/gay Nazi community is working so hard to trample on that right as well.

All I can say is that I hope these companies deliver the most dreadful products and services when they are unconstitutionally forced to by the liberal Nazi's. If you're a bakery and you're forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding, I hope you put 70lbs of salt in the cake and make the frosting primarily out of vinegar so that they vomit when they eat it. Then maybe word will spread in their little gay circles that your bakery isn't any good and you can be left the hell alone to conduct your private business as you see fit.

*Note - desperate Nazi liberals will try to spin this as "homophobia" because they need to justify their anti-constitutional Nazi beliefs. However, it is not. I couldn't care less if someone is gay. What I do care about however is when they unconstitutionally force someone to do their bidding because they think being gay makes them special and entitled.

It's an agenda of reeducation

Well, that was a different America, before we were discussing how the Constitution was written by rich white slave owners and how the country needed to be fundamentally changed. So that's gone, sorry.

Rather than doing the heavy lifting of working on changing hearts and minds, the narcissistic Left has chosen to instead go with intimidation, conformity and "consequences" for anyone who (currently) thinks differently.

You will conform or else.

Which further illustrates how stupid these people are. If you're going to attempt to intimidate, control, and oppress people, you may not want to have an anti-gun ideology as that will not end well for you...

WOW !!! Isn't that what you are doing here intimidate, control, and oppress people who are gay ??? trying to say we don't want you around so were going to send you on your way ... you two are a couple of real american their huh!!! no liberals is trying to take your right to have a gun ... they just want to make sure you can't buy one if your are a felon or out right nuts... where you two moron can't get that thought through that numb skull of yours

 

[LoneLaugher]

Well, that was a different America, before we were discussing how the Constitution was written by rich white slave owners and how the country needed to be fundamentally changed. So that's gone, sorry.

Rather than doing the heavy lifting of working on changing hearts and minds, the narcissistic Left has chosen to instead go with intimidation, conformity and "consequences" for anyone who (currently) thinks differently.

You will conform or else.

.

thats the only way you bone head republicans can learn... we learned to let the law do it ... if you don't like american law, then be like Snowden, ask for political asylum ... that way you can move to russia have your way about the gay people in your country ... until then american rules not you fear of gays

I'm guessing this will completely confuse you, but I'm pro gay rights and I'm not a Republican.

Your third-grade insults and name-calling notwithstanding, I'll bet that somewhere down deep you realize that not everyone is a partisan ideologue like you.

I also posted "I want to change hearts and minds about homosexuality." Is that in any way ambiguous for you?

Please play with someone else, thanks.

.

What are you doing to change hearts and minds? Anything?

 

[JoeB131]

I would say - GOOD! I don't want to do business with you then. Just as the gay community should with a baker who doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding. And then both sides can go about their lives in FREEDOM and let the chips fall where they may.

Uh, no.

Here's the thing, guy. It goes back to the "You Didn't Build THat" mentality.

The gays are paying the taxes that allow the baker to have a business. He's paying for the roads and the police protection and the utilities that the baker needs to be in business.

Hence, the term, "Public Accommodation".

And sweet evil Jesus, man, this isn't even a new concept. We had this argument 40 years ago over race and your side lost.

Uh, no.

Here's the thing guy - the roads and the police and the utilities have nothing to with that man's business.

If they did, you would have a business (you have the exact same access to the exact same roads, utilities, and law enforcement). Would you like to try again?

I do have a business. (I write resumes for people.)

And I don't discriminate. I've written a resume for a woman who was so butch I thought she was a dude at first, and I've written a resume for a whackjob who stopped listening to Michael Savage because he wasn't as dedicated to the Crazy of Ayn Rand as she was.

But here's the thing. My business- any business - can only exist in an infrastructure that allows it to. Otherwise, instead of getting paid to write a resume, I'd have to worry my next client is going to boink me over the head and run off with my laptop.

Now before you go into another tired rant about "socialism", all civilization is a balance between individual freedom and collective good. No one really wants to live in Somalia, and no one wants to live in North Korea. So at some point, you have to decide where the happy medium is.

Enforcing a law that says, I should be able to expect a service you promised if I have the money to pay for it is a very happy medium.

 

[P@triot]

P.S.
Nazi would not allow Gays to exist in their country ... the fact that you're soooooooo stupid to say "Nazi liberal" makes me laugh at your stupidity in these matters... after all being Nazi are conservative you know ... hitler supported the conservative way of thinking you moron

P.S.
I had to address this insanely stupid comment separately so that the world could laugh at you. Adolf Hitler did not believe in small government and freedom for the people. Like Dumbocrats, he believed in a massive and powerful central government controlling everything.

Hitler supported and acted on the liberal way of thinking you fucking moron. I never once saw Hitler propose low taxes and the shrinking of his centralize-control government. How fuck'n dumb do you feel right now?

 

[JoeB131]

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Sorry dude, the government has zero authority to force private institutions to conduct business with anyone. It's a private business on private property and they have the right to refuse service to anyone. Period.

And that might cost them tons of business (to the point where they might have to close their business). That is the natural counter-balance and the beauty of the free market.

Sorry, I don't see beauty in a free market.

The Free Market allowed Cigarette companies to market carcinogens to children.

I expect the government to make sure that the people I do business with live up to their promises. In fact, the whole concept of business can't exist without government to enforce binding contracts.

 

[billyerock1991]

[

Well, that was a different America, before we were discussing how the Constitution was written by rich white slave owners and how the country needed to be fundamentally changed. So that's gone, sorry.

Rather than doing the heavy lifting of working on changing hearts and minds, the narcissistic Left has chosen to instead go with intimidation, conformity and "consequences" for anyone who (currently) thinks differently.

You will conform or else.

I'm sort of amused that you are all upset that the shoe is on the other foot.

I had a co-worker who was fired after working for our company for 14 years because she brought her girlfriend to the holiday party. Her girlfriend wore a man's suit just so nobody missed the point.

So now the tables have turned and it's the homophobes who find themselves in the minority, and you guys are whining because, oh my gosh, laws are actually being enforced.

Sorry, dude, Public Accommodation Laws have been on the books since the 1960's.

Sorry dude, the government has zero authority to force private institutions to conduct business with anyone. It's a private business on private property and they have the right to refuse service to anyone. Period.

And that might cost them tons of business (to the point where they might have to close their business). That is the natural counter-balance and the beauty of the free market.

sorry DUUUUUUUDe, its a business that serves the public ... it's not a private business ... if you serve the public then you have to accept all of the public not just the public you like... thats the law... where you get this idea thats its a private business is beyond me ... you have no Idea what you are saying or talking about when it come to doing business with the public

 

[P@triot]

Well, that was a different America, before we were discussing how the Constitution was written by rich white slave owners and how the country needed to be fundamentally changed. So that's gone, sorry.

Rather than doing the heavy lifting of working on changing hearts and minds, the narcissistic Left has chosen to instead go with intimidation, conformity and "consequences" for anyone who (currently) thinks differently.

You will conform or else.

Which further illustrates how stupid these people are. If you're going to attempt to intimidate, control, and oppress people, you may not want to have an anti-gun ideology as that will not end well for you...

WOW !!! Isn't that what you are doing here intimidate, control, and oppress people who are gay ??? trying to say we don't want you around so were going to send you on your way ... you two are a couple of real american their huh!!! no liberals is trying to take your right to have a gun ... they just want to make sure you can't buy one if your are a felon or out right nuts... where you two moron can't get that thought through that numb skull of yours

Uh...no junior. How is it "intimidating" or "controlling" to say "I won't bake a cake for you - there are plenty of other bakeries that will"? It's a private business on private property and they cannot be forced to enter into business agreements. Period.

Further more, their 1st Amendment rights protects them from people like you (who are completely ignorant of the U.S. Constitution).

 

[zeke]

Hey lets pretend that a wedding planner goes into a bakery and orders the most expensive cake that the baker offers for a wedding. And he bakes the cake.

When ready, the baker calls the planner to pick the cake up and the wedding planner sends a flamboyant gay person to pick up the cake.

The baker now finds out he has baked an expensive cake for a gay wedding.

Does the baker 1. throw the expensive cake in the trash right there? 2. suck it up and take the money and deliver the cake, there by being a hypocrite? 3. call the wedding planner and threaten them for being "dishonest" about who the cake was for? Or 4 Tell the wedding planner to bring him every gay wedding they can because he made so much money off this cake he would do it every day.

Which option would the smart business man take. And which option would a gay hating, Rethug business man take?

 

[JoeB131]

[

Sorry, dude, Public Accommodation Laws have been on the books since the 1960's.

Yuck, play the "public accommodation law" game with someone else. If you were so concerned about laws you'd be screaming against illegal immigration and supporting gun statutes. Gawd, how monumentally silly, Joe. This is about conformity and control.

I'd rather change hearts and minds about homosexuality, you'd rather take the conformity/consequences approach. Not everyone is as narcissistic as you.

Democrat Kirsten Powers: How ironic that the persecutors this time around are the so-called intellectuals. They claim to be liberal while behaving as anything but. The touchstone of liberalism is tolerance of differing ideas. Yet this mob exists to enforce conformity of thought and to delegitimize any dissent from its sanctioned worldview. Intolerance is its calling card.

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Kirsten Powers is a sell-out. I'm not interested in anything she has to say.

I'd be all for the government ENFORCING the laws against employers (mostly Republicans) hiring illegal aliens. What I think is kind of stupid is the Bubba Redneck wanting to put up a fence and thinking that solves the problem. As for guns, my problem with the gun laws is that they aren't working. We see that every time they wheel a bunch of kids out of a school in body bags.

There are laws on the books. If you want to make the argument that the laws arent' working, then advocate a new law. But until there is a new law on the book, you have to follow the one that is on the books.

It's pretty simple, no?