What's The Best Way To Fight and/or Stop Racism?

You needed to understand my disdain for the literal stupidity of a racist white person talking about blacks being racist for: 1. doing what whites have done and; 2. calling a behavior racist that occurred as the result of actual racism.
He does have a point, Slyhunter.

Blacks supporting black businesses is not necessarily a racist act directed toward whites. that is black folks taking action and responsibility to help each other and help themselves. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, usually when white people are presuming to tell black people what they need to change to make themselves successful, starting a business is usually one for the suggestions. If that is the key to racial success, why would black people do anything but exclusively use the goods and services of black businesses?

The label "For Us, By Us" comes to mind (and I respect and admire the hell of FUBU's founder).

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Best way to stop racism is stop voting for Democrats.
And that sure ain't it.
Racism is big business for Democrats. As long as you guys keep preaching to blacks that they're victims and blaming whitey, you keep getting the black vote. More blacks every election are leaving the Democrat plantations.

You are a republican. That's enough for me to remain a democrat. I don't blame whitey, I speak the facts of what whitey has done and continues doing.
 
Racism is big business for Democrats. As long as you guys keep preaching to blacks that they're victims and blaming whitey, you keep getting the black vote. More blacks every election are leaving the Democrat plantations.
It's not necessarily the party. That's just a vehicle to get people elected.

A good way to change things is to use the free market system to help black folks succeed, so the use of any victim-peddling or blaming falls on black ears that can't hear such victim-peddling over the jingle of their own riches, right?

On this point, I agree with IM2 100%.

You want to help black folks succeed without a bunch of democrat-run government programs (or GOP run programs, both suck in my opinion)? Support black businesses by purchasing black goods and services.

Pretty simple, non-government solution. THAT's what I am always looking for.

I would love to help. Hell, I will campaign on behalf of black business interests. My only hold up is knowing what black businesses are out there.

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I call you a racist because you consistently make racist comments. The root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism. What you think about that conclusion doesn't matter. I've studied and worked on issues affecting blacks for the last 37 years and have lived as a black man for 58. So your opinion that denies racism because you don't have to face it is the opinion of a man with a paper asshole.

I can't give a poor white person advice. I don't understand why there are poor whites when the system is based on white racial preference. I do know what blacks have been denied, and those are things you don't want to admit exist. I understand the complete damage white racism causes. Things you say are bullshit. There are at least 40 million black people living with PTSD. I say that and whites like you hit the funny smiley. Yet what whites like you fail to understand is that every instance of racism we see or experience triggers the memory of the racism we have experienced. You do not have the first clue to how different blacks cope with it. You have no clue that positive and negatives coping mechanisms are used by blacks to deal with racism.

You call bullshit and that's another example of your ignorance pertaining to issues of race.

The thing about this is, while there may not be many who will openly support the KKK or show blatant overt racism, todays racism is done differently. So much of the opposition I get is due to people looking at how racism is done today by comparing them to how it was done in the past. You don't have to make signs saying no blacks allowed to advocate white supremacy anymore. You can go to stormfront, USMB, or other forums to congregate.

Modern racism, symbolic racism, symbolic prejudice, or racial resentment, are beliefs that reflect an underlying prejudice towards black and non-white people in the United States. The difference in modern racism than old time classic white racism is that the attacks focus on a groups culture. Modern racism is not face to face, it is primarily done online and in social media.

Aversive racism is a form of racism practiced today which is done in subtle and indirect ways. People who are aversive racists claim to be non racist while at the same time expressing negative feelings and beliefs about members of other races. It has also been called colorblind racism. However, since that term confuses some whites because they cannot understand why we can say they are colorblind and still be racist, we’ll stick with the term aversive racism. Regardless of it’s “softer” approach, aversive racism has resulted in significant and harmful consequences that parallel the effects of overt racism.

Notice the words in bold. You've done both.
I don’t deny racism.

If the root problem in poor black neighborhoods is racism, what’s the root problem in poor white neighborhoods?

The root cause of poverty in poor predominantly black neighborhoods is abandonment of black owned businesses and the lack of recirculation of black earned dollars when segregation was abolished.

The delusional belief that there was more honor in sitting side by side with white citizens in white owned public establishments that begrudgingly were forced to integrate, rather than in rallying black communities towards self reliance and financial independence after the laws of the land were changed in the 1960's, contributed just as much to poverty in some black communtities than an army of Klansmen.

Are blacks not at all responsible for making themselves self reliant?

Most black people who make it out of the ghetto don’t go back and they give the people living in those ghettos the same advice I’m giving.

Blacks remind me of Israel Jews. They refuse to budge one inch on the blame for their situation with the Palestinians. It’s 100% not their fault and to suggest it is anti Semitic aka racist.

You apparently missed my point. I stated in so many words, that as opposed to being more supportive of black owned businesses after desegregation, that there was not enough focus by black citizens on creating
self reliant communities to allow black businesses to survive, and defecting to white owned establishments took black earned dollars out of black communities.
expecting blacks to only shop at black owned businesses is racist.

No it is not. Especially if it changes economic conditions of predominately black communities.
 
Can we save everyone?

Me thinks not.

I like how brother Beau of the Fifth Column put it...



What about you, what say you, what's the best way to stop this vile thing called "racism/bigotry/prejudice?"

Don't bother trying. I did, and it only gets BOTH sides mad at you. Let nature take its flawed course and just be the best YOU can be.
 
Your were called names in response to name calling.

As far as the rest of your repetitious rambling, I have addressed it before, but what I told you went over your head.....numerous times.

Enough said.



Probably not. You leftards generally are so deluded, that you think calling someone one of the most reviled names in our culture, is a debating point.


So, what probably happened is that you vilely insulted me, and when I responded appropriately, you were like,


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Probably so. You were called names in response to your own name calling......but you hypersensitive wingnuts typically have your heads so far up your own asses, that this is what happens when someone responds:

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Responding to some one being an asshole, but calling them out of their asshole behavior, is not "butthurt" but a normal, healthy response.


That you pretend otherwise, is just you being a dishonest prick.

If you are disturbed by someone stating a fact that has historical proof that it IS a fact, then you are bound to get your feelings hurt in a forum like this.

You started the namecalling first and had the nerve to whine about it when you received the same.


You do not get a pass from receiving in return what you like to try to dish out.

It is not my problem that you're a thinskinned, little butthurt bitch.




Not sure what "fact" you are referring to, but I was not referring to any historical facts.


I was clearly referring to you insulting me.


It is not credible that you were too stupid to follow that. More likely that you are trying to dodge a point you cannot refute.


Like a coward.

You know perfectly well what historical fact I am referring to, so stop lying. If your attention span is so short that you cannot recall, re read the thread or have someone who is lucid enough to understand where you initiated the first insult, read it to you.

You were insulted.....IN RETURN.

Which is the only way to talk to a person like you.

There is nothing cowardly about not wasting time on one of the dimmest minds in this forum.
 
The root cause of poverty in poor predominantly black neighborhoods is abandonment of black owned businesses and the lack of recirculation of black earned dollars when segregation was abolished.

The delusional belief that there was more honor in sitting side by side with white citizens in white owned public establishments that begrudgingly were forced to integrate, rather than in rallying black communities towards self reliance and financial independence after the laws of the land were changed in the 1960's, contributed just as much to poverty in some black communtities than an army of Klansmen.

Are blacks not at all responsible for making themselves self reliant?

Most black people who make it out of the ghetto don’t go back and they give the people living in those ghettos the same advice I’m giving.

Blacks remind me of Israel Jews. They refuse to budge one inch on the blame for their situation with the Palestinians. It’s 100% not their fault and to suggest it is anti Semitic aka racist.

You apparently missed my point. I stated in so many words, that as opposed to being more supportive of black owned businesses after desegregation, that there was not enough focus by black citizens on creating
self reliant communities to allow black businesses to survive, and defecting to white owned establishments took black earned dollars out of black communities.
expecting blacks to only shop at black owned businesses is racist.

Whites don't shop in black owned businesses. I'm telling you racists that the gaslighting you try is over. Anytime blacks talk about doing something for ourselves you racists want to tell somebody it's racist. Spend 13 percent of your money with black businesses. We spend 90 percent of ours with you. Whites have got rich on our dime and we stay poor while illiterate inbred trash like you without a pot to piss in want to tell us how we need to stop depending on whitey.
I have no problem whatsoever purchasing goods or services from black-owned businesses. I just don't know who they are.

How do I find out?

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Here is a start.
Black-Owned Business Directory
 
People left Detroit because jobs left Detroit.

If you're sick go to a doctor. If you are tired then go take a nap. I don't know anybody black who learned ebonics. Nobody black in this forum speaks ebonics. The root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism. You can't say it is not. When you turn black and live then you can come talk to me about how wrong I am. And we all can post pictures.

Whites have no room to be telling people what to do. And being told that seems to bother most of the whites here. So get something straight and embedded in your stupid white racist mind. Blacks are not the problem in this country. Whites are the majority. That means the majority of problems are caused by whites. Whites control the policy making process at every level. Any problems that result from those policies are the responsibility of the decision makers.

Rich whites have got away with all kinds of crimes and we see a prime example of that living in the white house. So since you are white work on telling other whites to change their behavior. I am black and I am telling your white ass from the perspective of living among blacks that you are talking about a very small number of blacks. Learn that black people know more about black people than your white --- does.

Then listen.

I call bullshit. Blacks like you aren’t experiencing any racism personally. Maybe you’ve experienced it in your life but so have I. And it doesn’t slow you down. And some of it might be just perceived or in a moment that didn’t really matter like when you’re out driving and you hear the n word. Big deal. You still live a good life and you figured it out.

So who I’m talking about are the people we see on shows like the first 48 hours. Those are real neighborhoods and real people. You can’t say tv is making that shit up. I wouldn’t be caught dead in one of those neighborhoods. And I lived in Detroit and my grandmother lived there till 2005. Pretty dangerous neighborhood. 6 and evergreen. So I know you know who I’m talking about when I talk about eubonics. Those people need to change their behavior. It’s not racism that white people dont want to move to where they have to deal with Those types.

Poor white people cant blame racism why can you?

What advice would you give a poor white person in a poor white neighborhood? You can have an opinion even though you’re black.

And I resent you calling me a racist just for thinking out loud and being completely unfiltered and honest.

I call you a racist because you consistently make racist comments. The root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism. What you think about that conclusion doesn't matter. I've studied and worked on issues affecting blacks for the last 37 years and have lived as a black man for 58. So your opinion that denies racism because you don't have to face it is the opinion of a man with a paper asshole.

I can't give a poor white person advice. I don't understand why there are poor whites when the system is based on white racial preference. I do know what blacks have been denied, and those are things you don't want to admit exist. I understand the complete damage white racism causes. Things you say are bullshit. There are at least 40 million black people living with PTSD. I say that and whites like you hit the funny smiley. Yet what whites like you fail to understand is that every instance of racism we see or experience triggers the memory of the racism we have experienced. You do not have the first clue to how different blacks cope with it. You have no clue that positive and negatives coping mechanisms are used by blacks to deal with racism.

You call bullshit and that's another example of your ignorance pertaining to issues of race.

The thing about this is, while there may not be many who will openly support the KKK or show blatant overt racism, todays racism is done differently. So much of the opposition I get is due to people looking at how racism is done today by comparing them to how it was done in the past. You don't have to make signs saying no blacks allowed to advocate white supremacy anymore. You can go to stormfront, USMB, or other forums to congregate.

Modern racism, symbolic racism, symbolic prejudice, or racial resentment, are beliefs that reflect an underlying prejudice towards black and non-white people in the United States. The difference in modern racism than old time classic white racism is that the attacks focus on a groups culture. Modern racism is not face to face, it is primarily done online and in social media.

Aversive racism is a form of racism practiced today which is done in subtle and indirect ways. People who are aversive racists claim to be non racist while at the same time expressing negative feelings and beliefs about members of other races. It has also been called colorblind racism. However, since that term confuses some whites because they cannot understand why we can say they are colorblind and still be racist, we’ll stick with the term aversive racism. Regardless of it’s “softer” approach, aversive racism has resulted in significant and harmful consequences that parallel the effects of overt racism.

Notice the words in bold. You've done both.
I don’t deny racism.

If the root problem in poor black neighborhoods is racism, what’s the root problem in poor white neighborhoods?

The root cause of poverty in poor predominantly black neighborhoods is abandonment of black owned businesses and the lack of recirculation of black earned dollars when segregation was abolished.

The delusional belief that there was more honor in sitting side by side with white citizens in white owned public establishments that begrudgingly were forced to integrate, rather than in rallying black communities towards self reliance and financial independence after the laws of the land were changed in the 1960's, contributed just as much to poverty in some black communtities than an army of Klansmen.
So you are saying root cause of poverty in poor predominantly black neighborhoods is that they didn't continue in the racist behavior of shopping at black only businesses. That is not the way you remove racism. You remove it by not caring who owns what business and buying at the best price and quality of the item you wish to buy regardless of race of employees or employers.

I followed the trail of your inane conflict about name calling to this root comment. Your comment has been commented on and critiqued and the name calling can stop now.

Seriously? During segregation black owned businesses thrived because there were no other options for black consumers. After desegregation many black business people went out of business because their services were abandoned, which had a rippling effect on predominantly black communities with businesses ceasing to exist in some cases almost overnight. It is not racist for black citizens to patronize businesses that will economically boost black communities.

Are you even old enough to have witnessed what happened after desegregation?

And as far as "name calling" in SELF DEFENSE stopping, are you a board monitor?

If not, then please leave it between the people involved in it.
 
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Are blacks not at all responsible for making themselves self reliant?

Most black people who make it out of the ghetto don’t go back and they give the people living in those ghettos the same advice I’m giving.

Blacks remind me of Israel Jews. They refuse to budge one inch on the blame for their situation with the Palestinians. It’s 100% not their fault and to suggest it is anti Semitic aka racist.

You apparently missed my point. I stated in so many words, that as opposed to being more supportive of black owned businesses after desegregation, that there was not enough focus by black citizens on creating
self reliant communities to allow black businesses to survive, and defecting to white owned establishments took black earned dollars out of black communities.
expecting blacks to only shop at black owned businesses is racist.

Whites don't shop in black owned businesses. I'm telling you racists that the gaslighting you try is over. Anytime blacks talk about doing something for ourselves you racists want to tell somebody it's racist. Spend 13 percent of your money with black businesses. We spend 90 percent of ours with you. Whites have got rich on our dime and we stay poor while illiterate inbred trash like you without a pot to piss in want to tell us how we need to stop depending on whitey.
I have no problem whatsoever purchasing goods or services from black-owned businesses. I just don't know who they are.

How do I find out?

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Here is a start.
Black-Owned Business Directory
I'm a white boy. I'm not going to look up businesses in a book to find out which ones are blacks. I make my purchases from Amazon.com and I don't care what color their stock holders are. I buy my gas at the cheapest station close to my path. And I buy my food from Chick Fil A.
 
You apparently missed my point. I stated in so many words, that as opposed to being more supportive of black owned businesses after desegregation, that there was not enough focus by black citizens on creating
self reliant communities to allow black businesses to survive, and defecting to white owned establishments took black earned dollars out of black communities.
expecting blacks to only shop at black owned businesses is racist.

Whites don't shop in black owned businesses. I'm telling you racists that the gaslighting you try is over. Anytime blacks talk about doing something for ourselves you racists want to tell somebody it's racist. Spend 13 percent of your money with black businesses. We spend 90 percent of ours with you. Whites have got rich on our dime and we stay poor while illiterate inbred trash like you without a pot to piss in want to tell us how we need to stop depending on whitey.
I have no problem whatsoever purchasing goods or services from black-owned businesses. I just don't know who they are.

How do I find out?

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Here is a start.
Black-Owned Business Directory
I'm a white boy. I'm not going to look up businesses in a book to find out which ones are blacks. I make my purchases from Amazon.com and I don't care what color their stock holders are. I buy my gas at the cheapest station close to my path. And I buy my food from Chick Fil A.

I don't care what race you are, or where you spend your money.

You were not even the one who asked about finding black owned businesses, so the link posted was not even intended for you.....so what is your point?
 
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'm a white boy. I'm not going to look up businesses in a book to find out which ones are blacks. I make my purchases from Amazon.com and I don't care what color their stock holders are. I buy my gas at the cheapest station close to my path. And I buy my food from Chick Fil A.
That's fine.

But, it sure does help black folks feel more included and less oppressed when their businesses get support.

You want black folks to not vote 90% for Democrats? You want black folks to see options or solutions other than big-government/socialism solutions? You want to end race-baiting?

Help a brother out once in a while. How does it hurt you? It can only help you too.

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What are the reasons for poverty that are different?
Dr. Paul Essien stated it best...

How did I benefit from racism?
I think I made my point but here at usmb people are never wrong or will never admit the other person is making valid points. Too easy to say I’m a racist when that is not my intent. Or to suggest I deny racism is a problem when I don’t. I just don’t believe it’s black peoples number one problem. Not ven close. Take you for example. In your life personally right now what is your number one problem? I bet it ain’t racism.

Im2 always wants to fall back on the fact white people arent perfect but there’s no denying poor black neighborhoods are way more dire than poor white neighborhoods. To deny it is insane. I’ve been binge watching the last 48. Those are real detectives in real cities in America. Real suspects. Real victims. Real witnesses or I didn’t see Nothins. Mostly black. Show me any black group who says the first 48 is misrepresenting the black community.

Also, bad white communities don’t blame their problems on racism. You claim their problems are different. Explain. Or tell me what advic you would give the poor whites. Humor me.

Every comeback you comeback with is a yea but. Forget the buts.

Poor blacks suffer the same problems poor whites suffer except for blacks have it way worse. That does not change the fact that the advice given is the same advice regardless.

For example they examine how black women raise their kids compared to how white women do and it’s not racist to say white women do a better job overall. Statistically. Don’t you think this would be a good thing to inform young black mothers? That the vocabulary that they use with the child pre k makes a huge difference on sat scores.



Typical clueless liberal, blind to their own abiding racism.
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You apparently missed my point. I stated in so many words, that as opposed to being more supportive of black owned businesses after desegregation, that there was not enough focus by black citizens on creating
self reliant communities to allow black businesses to survive, and defecting to white owned establishments took black earned dollars out of black communities.
expecting blacks to only shop at black owned businesses is racist.

Whites don't shop in black owned businesses. I'm telling you racists that the gaslighting you try is over. Anytime blacks talk about doing something for ourselves you racists want to tell somebody it's racist. Spend 13 percent of your money with black businesses. We spend 90 percent of ours with you. Whites have got rich on our dime and we stay poor while illiterate inbred trash like you without a pot to piss in want to tell us how we need to stop depending on whitey.
I have no problem whatsoever purchasing goods or services from black-owned businesses. I just don't know who they are.

How do I find out?

.

Here is a start.
Black-Owned Business Directory
I'm a white boy. I'm not going to look up businesses in a book to find out which ones are blacks. I make my purchases from Amazon.com and I don't care what color their stock holders are. I buy my gas at the cheapest station close to my path. And I buy my food from Chick Fil A.
Omg we just had an incident at the dog park. Classic example of what I’m talking about. Black couple comes up with their female dog that’s not fixed. We all know her and it’s caused trouble before. One guys speaks up and she argues. We all confirm you’re not supposed to bring a dog that isn’t fixed and you know this because it’s caused problems before.

She did agree to leave but it’s what she said to her man as they were leaving. She said, “oh I’m being so good right now” meaning she wanted to get all ghetto on us. Why? She’s clearly in the wrong.

Then she said something about sending her brother up here. Is some hood rat going to come up here and get violent? Even though they are in the wrong?

We all now fear/joke that there’s going to be a drive by. Too many ghetto blacks are uncivilized. You can’t take the ghetto out of them. We don’t operate that way out here in the burbs. Maybe their kids won’t grow up this way.

We just can’t believe she made the threat. Who does that?

I’m going to get my concealed weapons permit
 
And the mindless liberal drones are not only completely blind to their own bone-deep racism, they break their twiggy arms patting themselves on the back for the great social impact of posting nonsense on the internet. Few and far between are any who would lift a finger in the real world to do anything about the things they pointlessly pontificate about in their hypocritical stupor.
 
expecting blacks to only shop at black owned businesses is racist.

Whites don't shop in black owned businesses. I'm telling you racists that the gaslighting you try is over. Anytime blacks talk about doing something for ourselves you racists want to tell somebody it's racist. Spend 13 percent of your money with black businesses. We spend 90 percent of ours with you. Whites have got rich on our dime and we stay poor while illiterate inbred trash like you without a pot to piss in want to tell us how we need to stop depending on whitey.
I have no problem whatsoever purchasing goods or services from black-owned businesses. I just don't know who they are.

How do I find out?

.

Here is a start.
Black-Owned Business Directory
I'm a white boy. I'm not going to look up businesses in a book to find out which ones are blacks. I make my purchases from Amazon.com and I don't care what color their stock holders are. I buy my gas at the cheapest station close to my path. And I buy my food from Chick Fil A.
Omg we just had an incident at the dog park. Classic example of what I’m talking about. Black couple comes up with their female dog that’s not fixed. We all know her and it’s caused trouble before. One guys speaks up and she argues. We all confirm you’re not supposed to bring a dog that isn’t fixed and you know this because it’s caused problems before.

She did agree to leave but it’s what she said to her man as they were leaving. She said, “oh I’m being so good right now” meaning she wanted to get all ghetto on us. Why? She’s clearly in the wrong.

Then she said something about sending her brother up here. Is some hood rat going to come up here and get violent? Even though they are in the wrong?

We all now fear/joke that there’s going to be a drive by. Too many ghetto blacks are uncivilized. You can’t take the ghetto out of them. We don’t operate that way out here in the burbs. Maybe their kids won’t grow up this way.

We just can’t believe she made the threat. Who does that?

I’m going to get my concealed weapons permit




But THIS ^^^^^ isn’t racist?
 
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Racism is big business for Democrats. As long as you guys keep preaching to blacks that they're victims and blaming whitey, you keep getting the black vote. More blacks every election are leaving the Democrat plantations.
It's not necessarily the party. That's just a vehicle to get people elected.

A good way to change things is to use the free market system to help black folks succeed, so the use of any victim-peddling or blaming falls on black ears that can't hear such victim-peddling over the jingle of their own riches, right?

On this point, I agree with IM2 100%.

You want to help black folks succeed without a bunch of democrat-run government programs (or GOP run programs, both suck in my opinion)? Support black businesses by purchasing black goods and services.

Pretty simple, non-government solution. THAT's what I am always looking for.

I would love to help. Hell, I will campaign on behalf of black business interests. My only hold up is knowing what black businesses are out there.

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This is what we blacks are talking about. If whites spend some of their money in black businesses they grow, the economy in the black community grows, jobs are created, there are more community improvements. Property value rises, more money for schools, better education. More tax paying citizens.

But let me add one thing, white communities get plenty of government help. At every level. So lets stop talking about blacks like we only wait for government help.

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You apparently missed my point. I stated in so many words, that as opposed to being more supportive of black owned businesses after desegregation, that there was not enough focus by black citizens on creating
self reliant communities to allow black businesses to survive, and defecting to white owned establishments took black earned dollars out of black communities.
expecting blacks to only shop at black owned businesses is racist.

Whites don't shop in black owned businesses. I'm telling you racists that the gaslighting you try is over. Anytime blacks talk about doing something for ourselves you racists want to tell somebody it's racist. Spend 13 percent of your money with black businesses. We spend 90 percent of ours with you. Whites have got rich on our dime and we stay poor while illiterate inbred trash like you without a pot to piss in want to tell us how we need to stop depending on whitey.
I have no problem whatsoever purchasing goods or services from black-owned businesses. I just don't know who they are.

How do I find out?

.

Here is a start.
Black-Owned Business Directory
I'm a white boy. I'm not going to look up businesses in a book to find out which ones are blacks. I make my purchases from Amazon.com and I don't care what color their stock holders are. I buy my gas at the cheapest station close to my path. And I buy my food from Chick Fil A.

Then you have nothing to say about any other issue blacks face.
 

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