When covid19 cases surge

[AzogtheDefiler]

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

Oklahoma Mayor Forced To Revise Mask Mandate After Rash Of Violent Threats

Oklahoma Mayor Revised Mask Mandate After Rash Of Threats

Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise his order mandating masks in stores and restaurants amid a ferocious backlash.

talkingpointsmemo.com

A proclamation went into effect in Stillwater, Oklahoma on Friday requiring that patrons of newly reopened stores and restaurants don masks while inside. Just hours later, Mayor Will Joyce was forced to revise the order amid a ferocious backlash.

“In the short time beginning on May 1, 2020, that face coverings have been required for entry into stores/restaurants, store employees have been threatened with physical violence and showered with verbal abuse,” said City Manager Norman McNickle in a statement. “In addition, there has been one threat of violence using a firearm. This has occurred in three short hours and in the face of clear medical evidence that face coverings helps contain the spread of COVID-19.”

How dare the voters tell a politician to fuck off. Right comrad?

How hard is it, to wear a mask, for your fellow Americans? Seriously?

I don't understand why you are willing to kill off someone else's sister with asthma, or someone else's parents or grandparents that are old?

What the hell are you dragging your asthmatic sister all over town? You dragging your grandparents to the damn mall or what?

They have underlying health issues. I don’t. It’s not my job or concern to keep them healthy. That’s your job.

80 million Americans are in the high risk category, around 60 million seniors over 65 yrs old and another 20 million at minimum, that are younger, with a higher risk condition....

It's more beneficial to our economy, if those 80 million adults are contributing to our economy by their out and about spending, or by their labor, and isolate those that are sick, while they are infected or infectious. A lot fewer infectious than the high risk group.

I agree with you here. You're right on.

But here is the catch, the States have to have bountiful amounts of testing... enough to continually random test communities, and hotspots..... our problem with this virus daemon, is half or more infectious carriers, are asymptomatic, and simply do not know they are sick.... random testing of 2 to 10% of the population is needed..... to catch enough of the infectious to isolate, and tracing 10 minutes or longer, face to face contacts of theirs, to isolate them....

So please support all the people that want a lot of testing kits and materials to run the tests....

We are almost up to speed on the tests, testing, materials and processing....but not quite there yet.

Supporting this, does not mean you are against the President.... it simply means you want the economy running again, and closer to full capacity than it would be, without the testing, contact tracing testing, and isolation of them....

In the long run, Trump will be happy, with the results.

How are you going to random test 10% of the population? Send the cops out to round up people?

everyone is jumping at the bit for a test, to see if they have it or have had it..... likely everyone wants to take a test and 2% to 10% won't be enough, just be the tip of the ice berg on who would want one.....

I know that won't be a problem.....

The government will never allow everyone to be tested or will find a way to make fake test because the truth will expose this farce

Nope! Trump does not want t it, because it exposes his lies and downplaying the numbers....

Why do you think his team failed miserably on tests, and why he didn't use his defense production act, to acquire the testing g supplies and tests.....? You got it backwards!!!

Seems logical your failure is assuming that what we have been told is reasonably correct and it clearly is not. There is clearly more than one virus or virus strain loose here. I surmise that one or more strains are about as dangerous as the strain of coronavirus that causes the common cold and one or more strains or another virus completely is 100 percent fatal.

So without knowing the truth that we as the public are never told we can not judge

Heck no! I don't think the numbers are accurate, it's all best guessing, without enough testing.....

We need REAL numbers, real statistics to make our best decisions on this virus, and for better guessing on the next virus to show up.

We now know, the virus has likely been here since late Nov/Dec 2019..... So it has had 3 more months to spread..... likely not as infectious or deadly on the first round of infections... though certainly there are more covid deaths that have taken place e during those months that add to our death counts....

The mutation covid showing up on the east coast later seems to be killing more people...?

It would all be about the numbers if covid-19 was the only disease that we are facing. The doctors are describing different things so perhaps they are not seeing the second fatal disease at all because they are also believing the CDC. You are falling into the trap that everything or even most of what you are seeing and hearing is real.

It isn't, it never was what we are told, and I mean not once in history

Hey!

That's a whole new conspiracy theory!

You get a gold star!

McConnell has “insisted” that the next stimulus package will include legal immunity for businesses that open back up. He told Politico, “The next pandemic coming will be the lawsuit pandemic in the wake of this one. So we need to prevent that now when we have the opportunity to do it.” It’s important to understand what McConnell is proposing here: He’s saying that he will withhold aid money to state and local governments fighting the Covid-19 pandemic if the package does not include legal giveaways to protect businesses from the justice system.

McConnell’s Stimulus Scam: Vaccinate Businesses, Expose Workers

The Senate leader wants to block businesses from being sued for putting people at risk of Covid-19—thus ensuring people are put at risk.

www.thenation.com

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soon workers will have no rights if the republicans stay in power.

No rights? You mean like the people who have no right to go to work, go to church or visit grandma?

Or be born...

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Crep, shame shame shame. You stole playtime’s gold star.

I found it on a Google search.

It still belongs to playtime as it fits her perfectly.

 

[Crepitus]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

Most states in these cases you are not allowed to sue the state.

Protesters? Get serious. The group that stormed the Michigan legislative building, do you seriously believe they changed the mind of the Michigan governor? Laughable.

It seems the states are opening up and are allowed to do so. So what "clear guidelines" are being ignored?

Sue Trump for not enforcing what? States opening up?

The last sentence makes no sense. Who is "their".

The trump guidelines say a state needs to have 14 days of decreased virus infections.

Most states don't have a decrease in people being infected with the virus.

No state has 14 consecutive days of decrease in the virus.

Remember when Trump said it was up to him? Remember how upset people like you got? But now you want governors to follow Trump's guidelines..

Remember when tRump said he had absolute authority, shortly after saying "I take no responsibility at all"?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The problem is the new WuFlu cases are all from people that have been locked down.

 

[Polishprince]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

What makes you think that they "will" surge? Scientists told us 2 months ago, if we just lock down for a few weeks, we will "flatten the curve" and that will be that. Well, we did, were they wrong?

The idea was never to lockdown until a vaccine was found, or even to reduce the number of cases. Just to stretch them out a bit so that the health system didn't get over stressed.

 

[Levant]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

Most states in these cases you are not allowed to sue the state.

Protesters? Get serious. The group that stormed the Michigan legislative building, do you seriously believe they changed the mind of the Michigan governor? Laughable.

It seems the states are opening up and are allowed to do so. So what "clear guidelines" are being ignored?

Sue Trump for not enforcing what? States opening up?

The last sentence makes no sense. Who is "their".

The trump guidelines say a state needs to have 14 days of decreased virus infections.

Most states don't have a decrease in people being infected with the virus.

No state has 14 consecutive days of decrease in the virus.

Thanks for the information. I didn't realize that was a condition put on the states reopening.

I have assumed from the day I started here that onepercenter is a 40-year-old living in his mother's basement.

 

[Levant]

The effective vaccine is exposure to the healthy who develop antibodies. When that virus comes along in the future most will be naturally immune and will not be infected nor will they transmit the virus. This isnt difficult. Seriously, why is this so difficult to understand?

Yep.

You didn't post a video with positive and hopeful information did you? Youtube deletes those...

 

[Levant]

McConnell has “insisted” that the next stimulus package will include legal immunity for businesses that open back up. He told Politico, “The next pandemic coming will be the lawsuit pandemic in the wake of this one. So we need to prevent that now when we have the opportunity to do it.” It’s important to understand what McConnell is proposing here: He’s saying that he will withhold aid money to state and local governments fighting the Covid-19 pandemic if the package does not include legal giveaways to protect businesses from the justice system.

McConnell’s Stimulus Scam: Vaccinate Businesses, Expose Workers

The Senate leader wants to block businesses from being sued for putting people at risk of Covid-19—thus ensuring people are put at risk.

www.thenation.com

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soon workers will have no rights if the republicans stay in power.

The federal or state govt shouldn't even be involved in this whole scam pandemic. If a business wants to open or close, it should be their decision. Likewise, if an individual wants to stay home or frequent a business establishment, it should be their decision. Screw the pathetic government. Why do libs always need to be led around by the nose. They look to govt because thats all they have. Its their religion.

It will be a blessing!

Look at it this way. Say there are 100 of us in the world. 25 are elderly and or sick and 75 of us are healthy adults.

Scenario #1
We all isolate. But one or two of us get the disease from going to a grocery store or Home Depot, etc. We then pass it on to one or two we see at a liquor store or again a grocery store and so on. The virus makes us a little ill but nothing major, like a common cold, as we are healthy adults. This progresses for months as we isolate so the virus has time to jump around and of course eventually gets to the 25 or so vulnerable.

Scenario #2

We isolate the 25, all 75 go out at once. We all get the virus. The virus has nowhere else to jump as all 75 have it and are building antibodies and immunity. Virus dies out in ~3 weeks and the other 25 can easily go out.

The key like with all viruses is to give it no where else to go. This is why the flu dies every spring. This is not because of warmer weather but because of herd immunity that kills it off naturally. Lockdowns are having the opposite effect. What you do is isolate the vulnerable and let the rest of us get it. This creates the often spoken about herd immunity and kills the virus.

Is Herd Immunity Our Best Weapon Against COVID-19?
In the long run, it could protect us from future COVID-19 outbreaks. To get there, we need an effective vaccine.

www.discovermagazine.com

Sweden will be a great case study

"In the long run, it could protect us from future COVID-19 outbreaks. To get there, we need an effective vaccine."

Are you not understanding your own links again? Vaccine, we aren't going to have an effective herd immunity that doesn't get a lot of people killed unless we have a vaccine. Your own sources tell you this.

Herd immunity is a vaccine, dummy. Act the same way.

No, herd immunity is herd immunity. You literally just copy/pasted this

"Is Herd Immunity Our Best Weapon Against COVID-19?
In the long run, it could protect us from future COVID-19 outbreaks. To get there, we need an effective vaccine."

Clearly they are not saying herd immunity is a vaccine. You can get to herd immunity if you have vaccinated enough people but your link isn't saying to reach herd immunity by exposure.

Vaccine works the same and from future ones, yes, but for now herd immunity is all we have. What do you propose? Indefinite lockdowns?

Well, no. The entire purpose of a vaccine is so that people don't contract diseases. We also really don't know if herd immunity is a thing for COVID and at what expense? You may be OK for a couple of months but in the meantime you've compromised your lungs, kidneys or heart where maybe you will fall really sick when the common flu comes around. Or damaged your kidneys where later in life you are more likely to end up with kidney disease. There are just things we don't know about this particular virus right now.

Vaccines are so people get the antibodies to protect from the disease. Same thing as herd immunity. The only way to depend on vaccines is if we wait another 18 months before letting people out of their homes... in 18 months, this country is over. How do you think the world will eat if we stay locked down, shivering in our boots, for another 18 months?

 

[Levant]

How can hope and compassion be rude..

 

[Levant]

Sometimes it's effective, sometimes it misses the mark. You should look into that.

In the meantime COVID is deadlier than the flu.

How is that possible? As many people die of the flu and that's with a vaccine.

 

[Levant]

There are federal guidelines that haven't been met. They are endangering everyone.

Trump tried to own it and you and the left and the governors threw a sissy fit... Now you and they want to blame Trump for the guidelines... Governors locked it down, governors open it up.

 

[Levant]

The only surge that need be feared is the 1.7 % of all currently active cases that are identified as serious to critical. That’s where the hospitalizations snd deaths come from . The rest of the positive 98.3% aren’t crippled by it but Are crippled by the lockdown.
Never have so few gotten so many to give up so much.

So nice, so right, it need said twice

When posting a video, you should include some commentary about the point the video is making as an enticement to get us to watch it... I don't open videos just because someone posted one. I know I waste valuable time here but my time still has some value.

 

[Levant]

The overall death rate in the entire country is 0.37%

Actually it's currently 5.6% but who cares about accuracy...right?

That's idiotic.. 4+ percent of people tested have antibodies.. That means the number of infected is closer to 12 million than to 2 million.

 

[Levant]

Now Now Kamalla Harris aborted all of her kids, so ABORTION IS A BENEFIT TO MANKIND

Kamalla Harris' mother didn't. So you're wrong.

 

[Levant]

And they can't force anyone to go out in public to any place, neither employee nor customer.

Allowing ..or in some cases forcing businesses to open..FORCES those workers to expose themselves or starve

I've often argued that Democrats believe employees are slaves and that they support slavery. I seldom get one to admit it in public. Thanks for your honesty.

 

[Rigby5]

The overall death rate in the entire country is 0.37%

Actually it's currently 5.6% but who cares about accuracy...right?

That's idiotic.. 4+ percent of people tested have antibodies.. That means the number of infected is closer to 12 million than to 2 million.

In NYC, the % with antibodies is 21%.
Herd immunity is not far away.

 

[Levant]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

I know I'm 11 pages behind and this is probably already said but I'll jump in here anyway.

The lock down had absolutely nothing to do with reducing the count of Wuhan Virus cases. It was never possible that a lockdown could reduce the number of cases. No one is going to die because of opening up, whether early, late, or right on time.

The lockdown was us giving up our liberty so state-run hospitals (the state even running the private ones right now) would not get overloaded in spite of the mismanagement by the state. It was to keep the the hospitals from getting swamped. In the end, whether we ever locked down, locked everyone down with police ready to kill if someone peeks their head out the window, or anything in between, everyone in this country is going to get exposed to the virus. Either they are naturally immune, or they get a mild case because of their own physical condition or traits, or they're going to get very sick and go to the hospital, or they get very sick and die... That's the only options and there's virtually nothing anyone can do that will change the outcomes.

The only difference will come from the randomness, individually, whether a person might not have gotten an incompetent team one way and gets an incompetent team the other.... It switches who might die but not how many die.

So there's zero harm by opening and a lot of harm by not. The governors and politicians to sue are those who are holding Americans in house arrest without having been charged with any crime.

Cool, another conspiracy nut.

A buncha yer buddies are here.

Nope.. Not conspiracy; it's fact. It's about flattening the curve, not about reducing deaths. You're a liar.. You're making it up, lying intentionally, because facts don't hurt Trump.

 

[Levant]

It was never possible that a lockdown could reduce the number of cases.

Except it did just that in South Korea and other places

No it didn't. It slowed the rate and extended the time... Flattened the curve...

 

[Levant]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

Most states in these cases you are not allowed to sue the state.

Protesters? Get serious. The group that stormed the Michigan legislative building, do you seriously believe they changed the mind of the Michigan governor? Laughable.

It seems the states are opening up and are allowed to do so. So what "clear guidelines" are being ignored?

Sue Trump for not enforcing what? States opening up?

The last sentence makes no sense. Who is "their".

The trump guidelines say a state needs to have 14 days of decreased virus infections.

Most states don't have a decrease in people being infected with the virus.

No state has 14 consecutive days of decrease in the virus.

Remember when Trump said it was up to him? Remember how upset people like you got? But now you want governors to follow Trump's guidelines..

Remember when tRump said he had absolute authority, shortly after saying "I take no responsibility at all"?

Absolutely! The governors correctly called Trump on it. They wanted all the authority but put the accountability on Trump. With the authority goes the responsibility. This entire thing is on the Governors.. Trump's only role is to remove regulatory obstacles for possible therapies. He's done that.

 

[Rigby5]

And they can't force anyone to go out in public to any place, neither employee nor customer.

Allowing ..or in some cases forcing businesses to open..FORCES those workers to expose themselves or starve

There has never been a case of forcing any business to open or anyone to take work place risks.
But forcing them to close destroys their lives, bankrupts them, takes away their job and business, and prevents them from being able to buy food, shelter, etc.

The lock down can never reduce the death toll.
It flattens the curve, but that makes it longer, with more area under the curve, which means more deaths in total.

 

[BlueGin]

Should we all be able to sue the governors and other politicians who opened up too early?

What about the "protestors" who pressured them to do so?

There are clear guidelines for reopening that are being ignored.

Can we sue the tRump *administration* for not enforcing them?

How about for their generally inept response and attempts to dodge responsibility for it?

Won't care. Let them be foolish and selfish. Darwin and Karma.

Lol. To be governed by the lie you have to believe the lie. Both of y'all and millions of others believe the lie. No discernment whatsoever.

They don’t believe it. They just want to control you.