When is Murder Not Murder?

[PoliticalChic]

I have to guess that 99% on this board will agree that the conclusion of the following case is a miscarriage of justice.





1. "Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

2. A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Lenora Ivie Frago, who wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

3. ...she accepted $150 from Gilbert and left his home without having sex with him. Frago, who was paralyzed by the shooting, died several months later.

4. Gilbert's defense argued that the shooting wasn't meant to kill,...

5. ...actions were justified, because he believed that sex was included as part of the fee.



6. Texas law allows people "to use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft."



7. ... "not guilty" verdict ...."
http://gawker.com/texas-says-its-ok-to-shoot-an-escort-if-she-wont-have-511636423




What???


Does this remind anyone else of the Dred Scott decision?

 

[rightwinger]

LOL.....where else but Texas?

Is a hooker allowed to shoot a John if he stiffs her?

 

[JakeStarkey]

The jury shames all of Texas.

 

[eagle1462010]

I absolutely agree.

 

[dilloduck]

Stay the hell outta Texas if you don't like it. Simple.

 

[rightwinger]

A prositutes life has no value in Texas

Gun rights are more valuable

 

[Montrovant]

I have to guess that 99% on this board will agree that the conclusion of the following case is a miscarriage of justice.





1. "Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

2. A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Lenora Ivie Frago, who wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

3. ...she accepted $150 from Gilbert and left his home without having sex with him. Frago, who was paralyzed by the shooting, died several months later.

4. Gilbert's defense argued that the shooting wasn't meant to kill,...

5. ...actions were justified, because he believed that sex was included as part of the fee.



6. Texas law allows people "to use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft."



7. ... "not guilty" verdict ...."
http://gawker.com/texas-says-its-ok-to-shoot-an-escort-if-she-wont-have-511636423




What???


Does this remind anyone else of the Dred Scott decision?

Actually, the first thing this reminded me of was a decision from years ago when a man shot a repo guy taking his car but wasn't convicted. That was also in Texas.

 

[NoNukes]

A prositutes life has no value in Texas

Gun rights are more valuable

If she did not have sex with him, was she a prostitute?

 

[NoNukes]

I have to guess that 99% on this board will agree that the conclusion of the following case is a miscarriage of justice.





1. "Texas Says It's OK to Shoot an Escort If She Won't Have Sex With You

2. A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Lenora Ivie Frago, who wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

3. ...she accepted $150 from Gilbert and left his home without having sex with him. Frago, who was paralyzed by the shooting, died several months later.

4. Gilbert's defense argued that the shooting wasn't meant to kill,...

5. ...actions were justified, because he believed that sex was included as part of the fee.



6. Texas law allows people "to use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft."



7. ... "not guilty" verdict ...."
http://gawker.com/texas-says-its-ok-to-shoot-an-escort-if-she-wont-have-511636423




What???


Does this remind anyone else of the Dred Scott decision?

Damn liberals.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, Texas liberals did this. Not. Reactionary wing nuts.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yup, Texas liberals did this. Not. Reactionary wing nuts.

Which jury members did you poll?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I was rebutting the silliness of the comment, PC. I think liberals would have convicted him, and only reactionary gun wing nuts would let him walk.

You think differently? Tell us why.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Murder is murder, and always against the law. The jury in Texas somehow determined that shooting (I suppose) and unarmed individual in what really was a civil issue - he could have sued - was lawful.

I would like to have a transcript of the Judge's instructions to the jury.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I was rebutting the silliness of the comment, PC. I think liberals would have convicted him, and only reactionary gun wing nuts would let him walk.

You think differently? Tell us why.

"Us"?

You have a tapeworm?


I'm conservative....and fail to see any folks acquitting him.
You should have gleaned that from the OP.
That leads me to believe that there must be more to this story than reported.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Still, Gilbert’s case seems ridiculous. Essentially, he is claiming that he is able to compel the commission of a crime—prostitution—if he simply believed he was paying for sex, or demand his money back for the service he was promised and did receive. (On the other hand, the cops testified in the case that Gilbert never suggested he was stopping a theft of his money.)...this obscene and absurd outcome..."
Why Ezekiel Gilbert?s Acquittal Proves the Lunacy of Texas?s Gun Laws | Vanity Fair


There seems to be no rational explanation for the acquittal.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I was rebutting the silliness of the comment, PC. I think liberals would have convicted him, and only reactionary gun wing nuts would let him walk.

You think differently? Tell us why.

"Us"?

You have a tapeworm?


I'm conservative....and fail to see any folks acquitting him.
You should have gleaned that from the OP.
That leads me to believe that there must be more to this story than reported.

"You have a tapeworm?", now that was funny. I agree with you (Surprise!). Some matters transcend the left/right conservative/liberal dichotomy.

In the OJ case the families of the victims sued; I hope the young women murdered has family who take the killer to court and receive all of his assets in a civil judgment.

 

[Montrovant]

I was rebutting the silliness of the comment, PC. I think liberals would have convicted him, and only reactionary gun wing nuts would let him walk.

You think differently? Tell us why.

"Us"?

You have a tapeworm?


I'm conservative....and fail to see any folks acquitting him.
You should have gleaned that from the OP.
That leads me to believe that there must be more to this story than reported.

"You have a tapeworm?", now that was funny. I agree with you (Surprise!). Some matters transcend the left/right conservative/liberal dichotomy.

In the OJ case the families of the victims sued; I hope the young women murdered has family who take the killer to court and receive all of his assets in a civil judgment.

Doesn't that strike you as a ridiculous loophole to get around double jeopardy? I, like so many others, tended to think OJ was guilty....but once the criminal trial ended, I was very upset with the subsequent civil trial based on the same acts, but with a less strenuous requirement for a guilty verdict.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I'm conservative....and fail to see any folks acquitting him. You should have gleaned that from the OP. That leads me to believe that there must be more to this story than reported.

You are a right wing statist not a conservative. I agree there is more to the story.

 

[NoNukes]

I was rebutting the silliness of the comment, PC. I think liberals would have convicted him, and only reactionary gun wing nuts would let him walk.

You think differently? Tell us why.

"Us"?

You have a tapeworm?


I'm conservative....and fail to see any folks acquitting him.
You should have gleaned that from the OP.
That leads me to believe that there must be more to this story than reported.

You are conservative, and clueless.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I was rebutting the silliness of the comment, PC. I think liberals would have convicted him, and only reactionary gun wing nuts would let him walk.

You think differently? Tell us why.

"Us"?

You have a tapeworm?


I'm conservative....and fail to see any folks acquitting him.
You should have gleaned that from the OP.
That leads me to believe that there must be more to this story than reported.

You are conservative, and clueless.

"You are conservative, and clueless."

In consideration of the source of the conclusion, I must be a liberal, and a genius!