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If it didn't last that long it cannot be said to have worked, between infighting and external pressures all the social experiments in socialism broke down because people do not naturally live that way. The experiments only worked all because they appealed to the tribal nature of mankind rather than any kind of wise consensus on the part of the people.It worked in the past, I'm sorry if that upsets you, but other countries are realizing how fucked up the world is.Pretty much, you do not have to educate me on the subject. I told you I was once just like you but grew disenchanted with the whole thing because people are basically stupid and there is no way to make them wise up. These days I am a pragmatist with little patience for political dogma of any kind and one day you too will give up the deeply disappointing activity of expecting too much wisdom from the masses.Did you ignore what I posted?Hierarchical systems are stable with little more than relative safety and adequate food and shelter. They are the natural state of human societies because they do not require the masses to think for themselves, a horrible chore to the majority of human beings. Intellectuals could do it OK but as you well know intellectuals are a miniscule minority and are just about never allowed to wield the levers of power.They didn't in the paris commune, the free ukraine, etc, etc, etc... It takes education to make people realize it's possible.I used to be just like you but had to temper my revolutionary zeal with the hard fact that people live how they want to live and they want to live under presidents, kings, warlords and generalissimos. It really makes no sense that people willingly give away so much personal responsibility to these self serving sociopaths but they do.
No, they were violently and hanged.Not capitalists, and the paris commune, the other ones in my signature.. How are they receiving capitalist help? Tell me how, and when.Hilarious, tell me, what was the free Ukraine territory surrounded by? Not like it was the bolsheviks or anything..If you're trying to say socialism/anarchism/etc doesn't work, please, refer to my signature, and consider the paris commune, the Ukrainian free territories, the anarchist movements in spain..
That's like saying that the Amish can work in Syria just as they can in the US. No socialist/communist/anarchist movement in the world works unless surrounded by a healthy amount of capitalists willing to spend money on them and buy their goods. Take away capitalism and they will collapse just like any other fringe group.
Funny, you dropped the other two? But what are they surrounded by? LOL, Russians.
The Paris Commune still exists?
Do you realize why they failed? VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM. The paris commune? Mass violence. Ukraine Free areas? Bolsheviks. The spain anarchists? More bloodshed. Jesus, are you an idiot?If it didn't last that long it cannot be said to have worked, between infighting and external pressures all the social experiments in socialism broke down because people do not naturally live that way. The experiments only worked all because they appealed to the tribal nature of mankind rather than any kind of wise consensus on the part of the people.It worked in the past, I'm sorry if that upsets you, but other countries are realizing how fucked up the world is.Pretty much, you do not have to educate me on the subject. I told you I was once just like you but grew disenchanted with the whole thing because people are basically stupid and there is no way to make them wise up. These days I am a pragmatist with little patience for political dogma of any kind and one day you too will give up the deeply disappointing activity of expecting too much wisdom from the masses.Did you ignore what I posted?Hierarchical systems are stable with little more than relative safety and adequate food and shelter. They are the natural state of human societies because they do not require the masses to think for themselves, a horrible chore to the majority of human beings. Intellectuals could do it OK but as you well know intellectuals are a miniscule minority and are just about never allowed to wield the levers of power.They didn't in the paris commune, the free ukraine, etc, etc, etc... It takes education to make people realize it's possible.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I'm sorry, but you've established all I needed to know. You've ignored the working examples I've given, keep calling countries that were never socialist, and saying they went into socialism, then stalinism, as if that means anything when they weren't even fucking socialist. Modified form? Bullshit, quit ignoring facts.Production would be collectively owned, if you want to pull the bullshit of people not wanting to work, just look at the examples in my signature, or human history.
What history has taught is is that socialism generally does not work for nations. It devolves into Stalinism or Castroism, and only manages to survive a relatively short time in a "modified" form where equality is abandoned and rejected de facto, and is nothing more than a propaganda piece by which an oligarchy maintains power.
It really does, because I can't hold in my laughter.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I'm sorry, but you've established all I needed to know. You've ignored the working examples I've given, keep calling countries that were never socialist, and saying they went into socialism, then stalinism, as if that means anything when they weren't even fucking socialist. Modified form? Bullshit, quit ignoring facts.Production would be collectively owned, if you want to pull the bullshit of people not wanting to work, just look at the examples in my signature, or human history.
What history has taught is is that socialism generally does not work for nations. It devolves into Stalinism or Castroism, and only manages to survive a relatively short time in a "modified" form where equality is abandoned and rejected de facto, and is nothing more than a propaganda piece by which an oligarchy maintains power.
I love arguing with you types but lemme tell ya, the "LOOOOOOOOL" really takes away from your argument. It says a lot about you.
It's true that no group attempting socialism has ever been allowed to exist in peace but this too is a hard fact of life on Earth you must accept. Socialism will never be allowed to flourish as long as there are still plutocrats and warhawks in the world. The power elite are like the Hydra, you cannot cut off enough heads to kill the beast of authoritarian rule.Do you realize why they failed? VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM. The paris commune? Mass violence. Ukraine Free areas? Bolsheviks. The spain anarchists? More bloodshed. Jesus, are you an idiot?If it didn't last that long it cannot be said to have worked, between infighting and external pressures all the social experiments in socialism broke down because people do not naturally live that way. The experiments only worked all because they appealed to the tribal nature of mankind rather than any kind of wise consensus on the part of the people.It worked in the past, I'm sorry if that upsets you, but other countries are realizing how fucked up the world is.Pretty much, you do not have to educate me on the subject. I told you I was once just like you but grew disenchanted with the whole thing because people are basically stupid and there is no way to make them wise up. These days I am a pragmatist with little patience for political dogma of any kind and one day you too will give up the deeply disappointing activity of expecting too much wisdom from the masses.Did you ignore what I posted?Hierarchical systems are stable with little more than relative safety and adequate food and shelter. They are the natural state of human societies because they do not require the masses to think for themselves, a horrible chore to the majority of human beings. Intellectuals could do it OK but as you well know intellectuals are a miniscule minority and are just about never allowed to wield the levers of power.
No, they were violently and hanged.Not capitalists, and the paris commune, the other ones in my signature.. How are they receiving capitalist help? Tell me how, and when.Hilarious, tell me, what was the free Ukraine territory surrounded by? Not like it was the bolsheviks or anything..That's like saying that the Amish can work in Syria just as they can in the US. No socialist/communist/anarchist movement in the world works unless surrounded by a healthy amount of capitalists willing to spend money on them and buy their goods. Take away capitalism and they will collapse just like any other fringe group.
Funny, you dropped the other two? But what are they surrounded by? LOL, Russians.
The Paris Commune still exists?
We need international revolution and adequate protection for anarchist/socialist groups that form.It's true that no group attempting socialism has ever been allowed to exist in peace but this too is a hard fact of life on Earth you must accept. Socialism will never be allowed to flourish as long as there are still plutocrats and warhawks in the world. The power elite are like the Hydra, you cannot cut off enough heads to kill the beast of authoritarian rule.Do you realize why they failed? VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM. The paris commune? Mass violence. Ukraine Free areas? Bolsheviks. The spain anarchists? More bloodshed. Jesus, are you an idiot?If it didn't last that long it cannot be said to have worked, between infighting and external pressures all the social experiments in socialism broke down because people do not naturally live that way. The experiments only worked all because they appealed to the tribal nature of mankind rather than any kind of wise consensus on the part of the people.It worked in the past, I'm sorry if that upsets you, but other countries are realizing how fucked up the world is.Pretty much, you do not have to educate me on the subject. I told you I was once just like you but grew disenchanted with the whole thing because people are basically stupid and there is no way to make them wise up. These days I am a pragmatist with little patience for political dogma of any kind and one day you too will give up the deeply disappointing activity of expecting too much wisdom from the masses.Did you ignore what I posted?
No, they were violently and hanged.Not capitalists, and the paris commune, the other ones in my signature.. How are they receiving capitalist help? Tell me how, and when.Hilarious, tell me, what was the free Ukraine territory surrounded by? Not like it was the bolsheviks or anything..
Funny, you dropped the other two? But what are they surrounded by? LOL, Russians.
The Paris Commune still exists?
Reminds me of their predecessors in the French Revolution.
It really does, because I can't hold in my laughter.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I'm sorry, but you've established all I needed to know. You've ignored the working examples I've given, keep calling countries that were never socialist, and saying they went into socialism, then stalinism, as if that means anything when they weren't even fucking socialist. Modified form? Bullshit, quit ignoring facts.Production would be collectively owned, if you want to pull the bullshit of people not wanting to work, just look at the examples in my signature, or human history.
What history has taught is is that socialism generally does not work for nations. It devolves into Stalinism or Castroism, and only manages to survive a relatively short time in a "modified" form where equality is abandoned and rejected de facto, and is nothing more than a propaganda piece by which an oligarchy maintains power.
I love arguing with you types but lemme tell ya, the "LOOOOOOOOL" really takes away from your argument. It says a lot about you.
No, they were violently and hanged.Not capitalists, and the paris commune, the other ones in my signature.. How are they receiving capitalist help? Tell me how, and when.Funny, you dropped the other two? But what are they surrounded by? LOL, Russians.
The Paris Commune still exists?
Reminds me of their predecessors in the French Revolution.
I need to let others know that I'm laughing, I've already refuted this idiot.It really does, because I can't hold in my laughter.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I'm sorry, but you've established all I needed to know. You've ignored the working examples I've given, keep calling countries that were never socialist, and saying they went into socialism, then stalinism, as if that means anything when they weren't even fucking socialist. Modified form? Bullshit, quit ignoring facts.Production would be collectively owned, if you want to pull the bullshit of people not wanting to work, just look at the examples in my signature, or human history.
What history has taught is is that socialism generally does not work for nations. It devolves into Stalinism or Castroism, and only manages to survive a relatively short time in a "modified" form where equality is abandoned and rejected de facto, and is nothing more than a propaganda piece by which an oligarchy maintains power.
I love arguing with you types but lemme tell ya, the "LOOOOOOOOL" really takes away from your argument. It says a lot about you.
Yes, the point is why type it. You type it because you want the person you're communicating with to know that your laughing. Why? Because you want to assure them that you're confident in your argument. Why? What does that do? It signals that you aren't confident in your argument.
I need to let others know that I'm laughing, I've already refuted this idiot.It really does, because I can't hold in my laughter.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I'm sorry, but you've established all I needed to know. You've ignored the working examples I've given, keep calling countries that were never socialist, and saying they went into socialism, then stalinism, as if that means anything when they weren't even fucking socialist. Modified form? Bullshit, quit ignoring facts.What history has taught is is that socialism generally does not work for nations. It devolves into Stalinism or Castroism, and only manages to survive a relatively short time in a "modified" form where equality is abandoned and rejected de facto, and is nothing more than a propaganda piece by which an oligarchy maintains power.
I love arguing with you types but lemme tell ya, the "LOOOOOOOOL" really takes away from your argument. It says a lot about you.
Yes, the point is why type it. You type it because you want the person you're communicating with to know that your laughing. Why? Because you want to assure them that you're confident in your argument. Why? What does that do? It signals that you aren't confident in your argument.
Sounds like socialismYou can't exploit the workers, if they start working together.
Tell me friend, are you a socialist?
Really now? He's trying to say that the USSR was socialist, ignoring actual socialist entities..I need to let others know that I'm laughing, I've already refuted this idiot.It really does, because I can't hold in my laughter.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I'm sorry, but you've established all I needed to know. You've ignored the working examples I've given, keep calling countries that were never socialist, and saying they went into socialism, then stalinism, as if that means anything when they weren't even fucking socialist. Modified form? Bullshit, quit ignoring facts.
I love arguing with you types but lemme tell ya, the "LOOOOOOOOL" really takes away from your argument. It says a lot about you.
Yes, the point is why type it. You type it because you want the person you're communicating with to know that your laughing. Why? Because you want to assure them that you're confident in your argument. Why? What does that do? It signals that you aren't confident in your argument.
I haven't seen much of an argument really. And why do you need to let others know? Is your self worth predicated on the assurance that others know that you're laughing? Indeed, that's another indicator that you're insecure in your argument. Not that there's been an argument in this thread.
It was a joke, I've already addressed it.Sounds like socialismYou can't exploit the workers, if they start working together.
Tell me friend, are you a socialist?
?
There is a big difference between workers discussing wages and demanding fair pay vs. Socialism "my friend"
I know the Right Wing media wants the poor hard working Americans to think it's Socialism or Communism to demand fair pay. Some repeat, others think.
Another hard fact: Revolutionaries usually become the very thing they fought against and are lousy leaders in the absence of a struggle. It's why many of the counties founded on revolution still act as if the struggle continues. They have lots and lots of soldiers to keep the masses in line and sacrificing for the state that supposedly is populist but is really just a dictatorship.We need international revolution and adequate protection for anarchist/socialist groups that form.It's true that no group attempting socialism has ever been allowed to exist in peace but this too is a hard fact of life on Earth you must accept. Socialism will never be allowed to flourish as long as there are still plutocrats and warhawks in the world. The power elite are like the Hydra, you cannot cut off enough heads to kill the beast of authoritarian rule.Do you realize why they failed? VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM. The paris commune? Mass violence. Ukraine Free areas? Bolsheviks. The spain anarchists? More bloodshed. Jesus, are you an idiot?If it didn't last that long it cannot be said to have worked, between infighting and external pressures all the social experiments in socialism broke down because people do not naturally live that way. The experiments only worked all because they appealed to the tribal nature of mankind rather than any kind of wise consensus on the part of the people.It worked in the past, I'm sorry if that upsets you, but other countries are realizing how fucked up the world is.Pretty much, you do not have to educate me on the subject. I told you I was once just like you but grew disenchanted with the whole thing because people are basically stupid and there is no way to make them wise up. These days I am a pragmatist with little patience for political dogma of any kind and one day you too will give up the deeply disappointing activity of expecting too much wisdom from the masses.
Doesn't happen when the state doesn't exist, and when the workers have control, as shown in the examples I've repeated 40,000 times. I'm off to bed.Another hard fact: Revolutionaries usually become the very thing they fought against and are lousy leaders in the absence of a struggle. It's why many of the counties founded on revolution still act as if the struggle continues. They have lots and lots of soldiers to keep the masses in line and sacrificing for the state that supposedly is populist but is really just a dictatorship.We need international revolution and adequate protection for anarchist/socialist groups that form.It's true that no group attempting socialism has ever been allowed to exist in peace but this too is a hard fact of life on Earth you must accept. Socialism will never be allowed to flourish as long as there are still plutocrats and warhawks in the world. The power elite are like the Hydra, you cannot cut off enough heads to kill the beast of authoritarian rule.Do you realize why they failed? VIOLENCE AGAINST THEM. The paris commune? Mass violence. Ukraine Free areas? Bolsheviks. The spain anarchists? More bloodshed. Jesus, are you an idiot?If it didn't last that long it cannot be said to have worked, between infighting and external pressures all the social experiments in socialism broke down because people do not naturally live that way. The experiments only worked all because they appealed to the tribal nature of mankind rather than any kind of wise consensus on the part of the people.It worked in the past, I'm sorry if that upsets you, but other countries are realizing how fucked up the world is.
It was a joke, I've already addressed it.Sounds like socialismYou can't exploit the workers, if they start working together.
Tell me friend, are you a socialist?
?
There is a big difference between workers discussing wages and demanding fair pay vs. Socialism "my friend"
I know the Right Wing media wants the poor hard working Americans to think it's Socialism or Communism to demand fair pay. Some repeat, others think.
Really now? He's trying to say that the USSR was socialist, ignoring actual socialist entities..I need to let others know that I'm laughing, I've already refuted this idiot.It really does, because I can't hold in my laughter.I love arguing with you types but lemme tell ya, the "LOOOOOOOOL" really takes away from your argument. It says a lot about you.
Yes, the point is why type it. You type it because you want the person you're communicating with to know that your laughing. Why? Because you want to assure them that you're confident in your argument. Why? What does that do? It signals that you aren't confident in your argument.
I haven't seen much of an argument really. And why do you need to let others know? Is your self worth predicated on the assurance that others know that you're laughing? Indeed, that's another indicator that you're insecure in your argument. Not that there's been an argument in this thread.
