Where do you stand on State succession?

[Synthaholic]

This thread is about what do you think. Since you don't, you're in the wrong place. There are lots of threads you have the opportunity to post what Obama thinks. You would be more comfortable in one of those.

^^^ Chief apologist for the Know Nothing Caucus. #teabagger

While lamenting the situation northern newspaper editors felt that South Carolina had the constitutional right to secede. He famously said “Godspeed” and “let them go”


Horace Greeley
The NY Times then known as The New York Herald

.

Who gives a shit?

 

[Uncensored2008]

The only state that saw a sharp decline was Delaware and they never had a huge population anyway. Maryland declined slightly.

Total Slave Population in United States, by State

Personally I think slavery in the South would have lasted into the 20th century.

Yes, because feeding and housing humans is so much cheaper than maintaining machinery. And a slave can plow far more in a day than a tractor can. Besides, the tractor is always trying to run away, wants days off, etc.

You leftists sure are smart...

/sarcasm

 

[Harry Dresden]

Where does the Constitution say a state can't secede?

C_Clayton is a Saul Goodman type lawyer. He went to law school in the Philippines or some other offshore venue and friends of a Gus Fring type made sure clerical malfeasance ended up with him being issued a Bar card....

C_Clayton, or "Saul," has never actually read the Constitution, so the contents are a complete mystery to him...

I'm just sayin...

No_Reply_Jones is a Lawyer?....

 

[BlindBoo]

The only state that saw a sharp decline was Delaware and they never had a huge population anyway. Maryland declined slightly.

Total Slave Population in United States, by State

Personally I think slavery in the South would have lasted into the 20th century.

Yes, because feeding and housing humans is so much cheaper than maintaining machinery. And a slave can plow far more in a day than a tractor can. Besides, the tractor is always trying to run away, wants days off, etc.

You leftists sure are smart...

/sarcasm

Of course you ignore that it was a rebuttal to the claim that Slavery was on the decline.

And slaves could never be taught to operate a tractor. (or a Cotton Gin which was invented in 1793 or so.)

 

[Redfish]

The only state that saw a sharp decline was Delaware and they never had a huge population anyway. Maryland declined slightly.

Total Slave Population in United States, by State

Personally I think slavery in the South would have lasted into the 20th century.

Yes, because feeding and housing humans is so much cheaper than maintaining machinery. And a slave can plow far more in a day than a tractor can. Besides, the tractor is always trying to run away, wants days off, etc.

You leftists sure are smart...

/sarcasm

Of course you ignore that it was a rebuttal to the claim that Slavery was on the decline.

And slaves could never be taught to operate a tractor. (or a Cotton Gin which was invented in 1793 or so.)

Slavery exists today, slavery to the government teat. The only difference is that the slaves don't have to work for their bed and board, just show up at the welfare office and sign some papers, then take your money and don't dare get a job.

 

[Truthseeker420]

The north would beat them down again.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No_Reply_Jones is a Lawyer?....

Claims to be. And I think he is, though not a very good one. He knows how to look of cases and how precedence works. He has some familiarity with the legal process.

He's either a personal injury attorney, or a clerk for the ACLU.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Of course you ignore that it was a rebuttal to the claim that Slavery was on the decline.

I "ignored" your flaccid rebuttal by crushing it?

Well dayum..

And slaves could never be taught to operate a tractor. (or a Cotton Gin which was invented in 1793 or so.)

Repeat after me, "you're an ideologue, not an idiot..."

Slavery was already past it's expiration date. Technology made the economics of slavery non-viable. Threshers and the Cotton Gin made scores of hand pickers an inefficient and clumsy venture.

Give it up sparky, you spewed ignorant bullshit in a quest to support the fiction your party promotes. You have be utterly defeated by the facts, from a dozen different angles.

 

[editec]

Threshers and the Cotton Gin made scores of hand pickers an inefficient and clumsy venture.

Go back and read your history, lad.

The cotton gin made slavery economically viable.

Until that gin was invented they really didn't need slaves to pick cotton on those industrial mega-farms in Mississippi ALabama.

Those mega cotton farms in the deep south did not even exist until the gin process.

IN fact the Indians still owned most of that land where those massive cotton farms eventually developed.

Seriously kid EDUCATE yourself.

 

[Iceweasel]

Slavery existed before the cotton gin was invented. It did help slavery grow but later technology replaced the manual labor needed to run them.

 

[longknife]

I would vote on the poll if it was the right topic!

Do you mean succeeded as in getting better or winning?

Do you mean seceded, as in splitting off from the USA?

 

[pvsi]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

But as soon as Americans elect a new Justin Bieber, someone like Ted Cruz or Chris Christie, America will be back on the right track again, right?

 

[Contumacious]

All reasons why slavery was on its way to dying. If there had not been a civil war, slavery would have been dead in a few years anyway. It would have died as a consequence of the industrial revolution.

Slavery was already in sharp decline in the border states and the upper South generally, mostly for economic reasons . . . there is evidence that there was growing political support within the border states for gradual, peaceful emancipation that would have ended slavery there"

.

The only state that saw a sharp decline was Delaware and they never had a huge population anyway. Maryland declined slightly.

Total Slave Population in United States, by State

Personally I think slavery in the South would have lasted into the 20th century.

Abolition of slavery timeline

1850: In the United States, the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 requires return of escaped slaves
1851: New Granada (Colombia) abolishes slavery[38]
1852: The Hawaiian Kingdom abolishes kauwa system of serfdom.[46]
1853: Argentina abolishes slavery when promulgating the 1853 Constitution
1854: Peru abolishes slavery[21]
1854: Venezuela abolishes slavery[21][38]
1855: Moldavia partially abolishes slavery.[47]
1856: Wallachia partially abolishes slavery.[47]
1860: Indenture system abolished within British-occupied India.
1861: Russia frees its serfs in the Emancipation reform of 1861.[48]
1862: Treaty between United States and Britain for the suppression of the slave trade (African Slave Trade Treaty Act).[37]
1862: Cuba abolishes slave trade[21]
1863: Slavery abolished in Dutch colonies.[49]
1863: In the United States, Abraham Lincoln signs the Emancipation Proclamation which declared slaves in Confederate-controlled areas to be freed. Most slaves in "border states" are freed by state action; separate law freed the slaves in Washington, D.C.
1865: December: U.S. abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; about 40,000 remaining slaves are affected.[50]
1866: Slavery abolished in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma).[51]
1869 (February, 27th) – Portugal: King Louis signs a decree of the government, chaired by the Marquis Sá da Bandeira, abolishing slavery in all Portuguese territories.
1869: Portugal abolishes slavery in the African colonies
1871: Brazil Rio Branco Law declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers after 28 September 1871.[52]
1873: Slavery abolished in Puerto Rico
1873: Treaty between Britain and Zanzibar and Madagascar to suppress slave trade[37]
1874: Britain abolishes slavery in the Gold Coast (now Ghana), following its annexation in 1874.[53]
1882: Ottoman firman abolishes all forms of slavery, white or black.[54]
1885: Brazil passes Sexagenarian Law freeing all slaves over the age of 60.
1886: Slavery abolished in Cuba[21]
1888: May, 13th Brazil passes Golden Law, abolishing slavery without indemnities to slaveowners or aid to newly freed slaves.[55]
1890: Brussels Conference Act – a collection of anti-slavery measures to put an end to the slave trade on land and sea especially in the Congo Basin, the Ottoman Empire and the East African coast
1894: Korea officially abolishes slavery, but it survives in practice until 1930.[56]
1896: France abolishes slavery in Madagascar
1897: Zanzibar abolishes slavery[57] following its becoming a British protectorate
1899: France abolishes slavery in Ndzuwani

None of those countries murdered 650,000 individuals in order to "free" the slaves.

.

 

[bripat9643]

^^^ Chief apologist for the Know Nothing Caucus. #teabagger

While lamenting the situation northern newspaper editors felt that South Carolina had the constitutional right to secede. He famously said “Godspeed” and “let them go”


Horace Greeley
The NY Times then known as The New York Herald

.

Who gives a shit?

Anyone who cares about the facts.

 

[bripat9643]

Where does the Constitution say a state can't secede?

C_Clayton is a Saul Goodman type lawyer. He went to law school in the Philippines or some other offshore venue and friends of a Gus Fring type made sure clerical malfeasance ended up with him being issued a Bar card....

C_Clayton, or "Saul," has never actually read the Constitution, so the contents are a complete mystery to him...

I'm just sayin...

No_Reply_Jones is a Lawyer?....

I believe he's a legal aid.

 

[BlindBoo]

Of course you ignore that it was a rebuttal to the claim that Slavery was on the decline.

I "ignored" your flaccid rebuttal by crushing it?

Well dayum..

And slaves could never be taught to operate a tractor. (or a Cotton Gin which was invented in 1793 or so.)

Repeat after me, "you're an ideologue, not an idiot..."

Slavery was already past it's expiration date. Technology made the economics of slavery non-viable. Threshers and the Cotton Gin made scores of hand pickers an inefficient and clumsy venture.

Give it up sparky, you spewed ignorant bullshit in a quest to support the fiction your party promotes. You have be utterly defeated by the facts, from a dozen different angles.

Hahaha. Automated cotton pickers had not been invented yet. It was first patented in 1933. The Cotton Gin de-seeded the Cotton grown in the south. That just increase the amount of seed free cotton slaves could produce after picking it by hand.

In most slave states the number of slaves always increased. It was not in decline.

But don't let facts get in the way of your disingenuous charge.

 

[BlindBoo]

Slavery was already in sharp decline in the border states and the upper South generally, mostly for economic reasons . . . there is evidence that there was growing political support within the border states for gradual, peaceful emancipation that would have ended slavery there"

.

The only state that saw a sharp decline was Delaware and they never had a huge population anyway. Maryland declined slightly.

Total Slave Population in United States, by State

Personally I think slavery in the South would have lasted into the 20th century.

Abolition of slavery timeline

1850: In the United States, the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 requires return of escaped slaves
1851: New Granada (Colombia) abolishes slavery[38]
1852: The Hawaiian Kingdom abolishes kauwa system of serfdom.[46]
1853: Argentina abolishes slavery when promulgating the 1853 Constitution
1854: Peru abolishes slavery[21]
1854: Venezuela abolishes slavery[21][38]
1855: Moldavia partially abolishes slavery.[47]
1856: Wallachia partially abolishes slavery.[47]
1860: Indenture system abolished within British-occupied India.
1861: Russia frees its serfs in the Emancipation reform of 1861.[48]
1862: Treaty between United States and Britain for the suppression of the slave trade (African Slave Trade Treaty Act).[37]
1862: Cuba abolishes slave trade[21]
1863: Slavery abolished in Dutch colonies.[49]
1863: In the United States, Abraham Lincoln signs the Emancipation Proclamation which declared slaves in Confederate-controlled areas to be freed. Most slaves in "border states" are freed by state action; separate law freed the slaves in Washington, D.C.
1865: December: U.S. abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; about 40,000 remaining slaves are affected.[50]
1866: Slavery abolished in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma).[51]
1869 (February, 27th) – Portugal: King Louis signs a decree of the government, chaired by the Marquis Sá da Bandeira, abolishing slavery in all Portuguese territories.
1869: Portugal abolishes slavery in the African colonies
1871: Brazil Rio Branco Law declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers after 28 September 1871.[52]
1873: Slavery abolished in Puerto Rico
1873: Treaty between Britain and Zanzibar and Madagascar to suppress slave trade[37]
1874: Britain abolishes slavery in the Gold Coast (now Ghana), following its annexation in 1874.[53]
1882: Ottoman firman abolishes all forms of slavery, white or black.[54]
1885: Brazil passes Sexagenarian Law freeing all slaves over the age of 60.
1886: Slavery abolished in Cuba[21]
1888: May, 13th Brazil passes Golden Law, abolishing slavery without indemnities to slaveowners or aid to newly freed slaves.[55]
1890: Brussels Conference Act – a collection of anti-slavery measures to put an end to the slave trade on land and sea especially in the Congo Basin, the Ottoman Empire and the East African coast
1894: Korea officially abolishes slavery, but it survives in practice until 1930.[56]
1896: France abolishes slavery in Madagascar
1897: Zanzibar abolishes slavery[57] following its becoming a British protectorate
1899: France abolishes slavery in Ndzuwani

None of those countries murdered 650,000 individuals in order to "free" the slaves.

.

Yeah it's a real shame the South seceded and started that war huh?

 

[bripat9643]

The only state that saw a sharp decline was Delaware and they never had a huge population anyway. Maryland declined slightly.

Total Slave Population in United States, by State

Personally I think slavery in the South would have lasted into the 20th century.

Abolition of slavery timeline

1850: In the United States, the Fugitive Slave Law of 1850 requires return of escaped slaves
1851: New Granada (Colombia) abolishes slavery[38]
1852: The Hawaiian Kingdom abolishes kauwa system of serfdom.[46]
1853: Argentina abolishes slavery when promulgating the 1853 Constitution
1854: Peru abolishes slavery[21]
1854: Venezuela abolishes slavery[21][38]
1855: Moldavia partially abolishes slavery.[47]
1856: Wallachia partially abolishes slavery.[47]
1860: Indenture system abolished within British-occupied India.
1861: Russia frees its serfs in the Emancipation reform of 1861.[48]
1862: Treaty between United States and Britain for the suppression of the slave trade (African Slave Trade Treaty Act).[37]
1862: Cuba abolishes slave trade[21]
1863: Slavery abolished in Dutch colonies.[49]
1863: In the United States, Abraham Lincoln signs the Emancipation Proclamation which declared slaves in Confederate-controlled areas to be freed. Most slaves in "border states" are freed by state action; separate law freed the slaves in Washington, D.C.
1865: December: U.S. abolishes slavery with the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution; about 40,000 remaining slaves are affected.[50]
1866: Slavery abolished in Indian Territory (now Oklahoma).[51]
1869 (February, 27th) – Portugal: King Louis signs a decree of the government, chaired by the Marquis Sá da Bandeira, abolishing slavery in all Portuguese territories.
1869: Portugal abolishes slavery in the African colonies
1871: Brazil Rio Branco Law declares free the sons and daughters born to slave mothers after 28 September 1871.[52]
1873: Slavery abolished in Puerto Rico
1873: Treaty between Britain and Zanzibar and Madagascar to suppress slave trade[37]
1874: Britain abolishes slavery in the Gold Coast (now Ghana), following its annexation in 1874.[53]
1882: Ottoman firman abolishes all forms of slavery, white or black.[54]
1885: Brazil passes Sexagenarian Law freeing all slaves over the age of 60.
1886: Slavery abolished in Cuba[21]
1888: May, 13th Brazil passes Golden Law, abolishing slavery without indemnities to slaveowners or aid to newly freed slaves.[55]
1890: Brussels Conference Act – a collection of anti-slavery measures to put an end to the slave trade on land and sea especially in the Congo Basin, the Ottoman Empire and the East African coast
1894: Korea officially abolishes slavery, but it survives in practice until 1930.[56]
1896: France abolishes slavery in Madagascar
1897: Zanzibar abolishes slavery[57] following its becoming a British protectorate
1899: France abolishes slavery in Ndzuwani

None of those countries murdered 650,000 individuals in order to "free" the slaves.

.

Yeah it's a real shame the South seceded and started that war huh?

Lincoln started the war, asshole.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Go back and read your history, lad.

The cotton gin made slavery economically viable.

Until that gin was invented they really didn't need slaves to pick cotton on those industrial mega-farms in Mississippi ALabama.

A thresher could pick in a day what a hundred slaves took a month to pick.

Try again.

Those mega cotton farms in the deep south did not even exist until the gin process.

IN fact the Indians still owned most of that land where those massive cotton farms eventually developed.

Seriously kid EDUCATE yourself.

Seriously child, use fact rather than political agenda to guide you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Slavery existed before the cotton gin was invented. It did help slavery grow but later technology replaced the manual labor needed to run them.

The cotton gin processes cotton - a process that had been done by hand prior to it's invention. The thresher picked cotton, a process that had been done by hand prior to it's invention. These two advances made slave involvement in cotton ridiculous.


Slavery was done, war or no war. The only viable use for slaves was in domestic help.