Where do you think all this division and hatred in America is leading?

[initforme]

Ray what about white heterosexual married business owners who are liberal? Do you hate them too? Are they had people?

 

[alang1216]

Maybe we can look to other countries and to history for some answers? Except that the Left is hell bent on erasing ours.

A fine example of placing blame on only one side and ignoring the other. Until we can honestly examine ourselves how can we see other sides?

One day the pendulum will swing back to the center and maybe we'll all learn that compromise is not a dirty word.

The right has compromised for decades. The left has its welfare state, and about every social change you can think of. Divorce, gay marriage, abortion, etc.

The right is tired of compromise, because it is never reciprocated. When we FINALLY stood up and said "enough", the left called us extremists and haters.

Get back to me when the left learns what the word compromise means.

Mark

Now I understand, you're not a conservative, you're a reactionary. Whole different animal.

 

[hazlnut]

We all get wrapped up in the here and now. Today's stunning headlines that feed the flames.

But it might do some good to reflect on where this is all heading as that is what ultimately matters.

Will Americans simply "get over" their differences and find a way to live together in peace?
Will Conservatives eventually simply die off leaving the nation to modern day Leftists?
Will the exposure of corruption on one side sink that side to the point of irrelevance?
Will a Civil War erupt?
Or will we just become a disjointed nation of simmering hatred and anger for one another and this will go on for a very long time, eroding the fabric of our nation and tearing it down. China has already or is soon to overtake the US as the worlds largest economy. Yet we are too busy calling the President an Orange Clown or creating mean spirited video memes to see the bigger picture.

Maybe we can look to other countries and to history for some answers? Except that the Left is hell bent on erasing ours.

So let's look at another country torn apart by similar difficulties. Venezuela.
Leftist Venezuelans eventually won (for now) the fight by fighting harder and by using a mantra of by any means necessary. I see what's happening in America today as frighteningly similar.

We may be one election cycle away from dramatic changes. One person who grabs power (as just happened in China AND the Philippines by the way) and steers this nation into an entirely different direction.
And it's never towards freedom for the people in these situations.

Let's not fool ourselves and say it could "never" happen. It was once said we'd never have a black President and that China could never rival the USA economically or militarily.

H-E-doube hockey sticks.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Here is the problem:

On the right, there is an infighting between the conservatives and the establishment. Currently, the conservative Constitutionalist people are gaining ground.

On the left, they ran an admitted Socialist who many believed would have won if not for vote rigging.

The US Communist Party endorsed Sanders, Clinton and Obama both elections.

So the question is, where is the middle ground between constitutionalism and Communism? There is none. It's like trying to find a middle ground between Israel and the Palestinians.

My solution? Divide the country right in half north to south. Conservatives on one side of the country and liberals on the other. Let each run their own country they way they desire. That way, everybody is happy and no more arguing about which direction the country should go.

Uhm... Alaska doesn't want to be socialist, we're capitalists... How the hell do we fit into your N/S organization with Washington state being "north"? QQ

Maybe divide it north to south; from Minnesota to Texas, or something along those lines. Yep, a lot of people would have to move, but the next generation of people would really appreciate what we did; at least the conservative generation.

Heck, to never have to put up with liberals again, I would move. And if we voted to have my state in the conservative side and the liberals had to move, my property value would double overnight.

Why? Put a border wall along Washington, Oregon and California and back along the border with Mexico in the west and another along the western border of Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the small section of DC in the east.

That would isolate the vast majority of libs to those areas. We can build a new US capitol in Kansas City or someplace similar.

Yeah, but the biggest problem would be trying to keep liberals out of our states. In no time at all, they'd be jumping those walls and that would require more police. Of course, since our crime would diminish, maybe all those laid off cops can do the job.

Most of the population and wealth would be in the 'liberal' areas. I'd guess you'd be left with a 3rd world country, mostly owned by the liberals.

Is that what you think? Well wealth doesn't last long when most of your population is on the dole or in prison. Somebody has to support them. Besides, with our low tax rate and pollution regulations, most of the businesses would move here and we could create our own wealth. We will still sell you products though.........you know, compassionate conservatism....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ray what about white heterosexual married business owners who are liberal? Do you hate them too? Are they had people?

Not all liberals are bad people, and I have no idea WTF post you're talking about or what you read.

 

[alang1216]

Uhm... Alaska doesn't want to be socialist, we're capitalists... How the hell do we fit into your N/S organization with Washington state being "north"? QQ

Maybe divide it north to south; from Minnesota to Texas, or something along those lines. Yep, a lot of people would have to move, but the next generation of people would really appreciate what we did; at least the conservative generation.

Heck, to never have to put up with liberals again, I would move. And if we voted to have my state in the conservative side and the liberals had to move, my property value would double overnight.

Why? Put a border wall along Washington, Oregon and California and back along the border with Mexico in the west and another along the western border of Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the small section of DC in the east.

That would isolate the vast majority of libs to those areas. We can build a new US capitol in Kansas City or someplace similar.

Yeah, but the biggest problem would be trying to keep liberals out of our states. In no time at all, they'd be jumping those walls and that would require more police. Of course, since our crime would diminish, maybe all those laid off cops can do the job.

Most of the population and wealth would be in the 'liberal' areas. I'd guess you'd be left with a 3rd world country, mostly owned by the liberals.

Is that what you think? Well wealth doesn't last long when most of your population is on the dole or in prison. Somebody has to support them. Besides, with our low tax rate and pollution regulations, most of the businesses would move here and we could create our own wealth. We will still sell you products though.........you know, compassionate conservatism....

Even in Texas the largest cities are blue. Would they be walled off too?

 

[80zephyr]

Maybe we can look to other countries and to history for some answers? Except that the Left is hell bent on erasing ours.

A fine example of placing blame on only one side and ignoring the other. Until we can honestly examine ourselves how can we see other sides?

One day the pendulum will swing back to the center and maybe we'll all learn that compromise is not a dirty word.

The right has compromised for decades. The left has its welfare state, and about every social change you can think of. Divorce, gay marriage, abortion, etc.

The right is tired of compromise, because it is never reciprocated. When we FINALLY stood up and said "enough", the left called us extremists and haters.

Get back to me when the left learns what the word compromise means.

Mark

Now I understand, you're not a conservative, you're a reactionary. Whole different animal.

Lol. If you mean that conservatives are FINALLY reacting to the left, I guess that would include me. About damn time, I'd say.

Mark

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Maybe divide it north to south; from Minnesota to Texas, or something along those lines. Yep, a lot of people would have to move, but the next generation of people would really appreciate what we did; at least the conservative generation.

Heck, to never have to put up with liberals again, I would move. And if we voted to have my state in the conservative side and the liberals had to move, my property value would double overnight.

Why? Put a border wall along Washington, Oregon and California and back along the border with Mexico in the west and another along the western border of Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the small section of DC in the east.

That would isolate the vast majority of libs to those areas. We can build a new US capitol in Kansas City or someplace similar.

Yeah, but the biggest problem would be trying to keep liberals out of our states. In no time at all, they'd be jumping those walls and that would require more police. Of course, since our crime would diminish, maybe all those laid off cops can do the job.

Most of the population and wealth would be in the 'liberal' areas. I'd guess you'd be left with a 3rd world country, mostly owned by the liberals.

Is that what you think? Well wealth doesn't last long when most of your population is on the dole or in prison. Somebody has to support them. Besides, with our low tax rate and pollution regulations, most of the businesses would move here and we could create our own wealth. We will still sell you products though.........you know, compassionate conservatism....

Even in Texas the largest cities are blue. Would they be walled off too?

Without welfare programs, they will have to work and realize that being liberal makes no sense if it doesn't reward you.

 

[deanrd]

Maybe divide it north to south; from Minnesota to Texas, or something along those lines. Yep, a lot of people would have to move, but the next generation of people would really appreciate what we did; at least the conservative generation.

Heck, to never have to put up with liberals again, I would move. And if we voted to have my state in the conservative side and the liberals had to move, my property value would double overnight.

Why? Put a border wall along Washington, Oregon and California and back along the border with Mexico in the west and another along the western border of Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the small section of DC in the east.

That would isolate the vast majority of libs to those areas. We can build a new US capitol in Kansas City or someplace similar.

Yeah, but the biggest problem would be trying to keep liberals out of our states. In no time at all, they'd be jumping those walls and that would require more police. Of course, since our crime would diminish, maybe all those laid off cops can do the job.

Most of the population and wealth would be in the 'liberal' areas. I'd guess you'd be left with a 3rd world country, mostly owned by the liberals.

Is that what you think? Well wealth doesn't last long when most of your population is on the dole or in prison. Somebody has to support them. Besides, with our low tax rate and pollution regulations, most of the businesses would move here and we could create our own wealth. We will still sell you products though.........you know, compassionate conservatism....

Even in Texas the largest cities are blue. Would they be walled off too?

Yes. To keep unemployed white Republicans from trying to sneak in for paid under the table jobs. They keep salaries down and cost so much in food stamps and emergency room healthcare.

 

[deanrd]

Why? Put a border wall along Washington, Oregon and California and back along the border with Mexico in the west and another along the western border of Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the small section of DC in the east.

That would isolate the vast majority of libs to those areas. We can build a new US capitol in Kansas City or someplace similar.

Yeah, but the biggest problem would be trying to keep liberals out of our states. In no time at all, they'd be jumping those walls and that would require more police. Of course, since our crime would diminish, maybe all those laid off cops can do the job.

Most of the population and wealth would be in the 'liberal' areas. I'd guess you'd be left with a 3rd world country, mostly owned by the liberals.

Is that what you think? Well wealth doesn't last long when most of your population is on the dole or in prison. Somebody has to support them. Besides, with our low tax rate and pollution regulations, most of the businesses would move here and we could create our own wealth. We will still sell you products though.........you know, compassionate conservatism....

Even in Texas the largest cities are blue. Would they be walled off too?

Without welfare programs, they will have to work and realize that being liberal makes no sense if it doesn't reward you.

Welfare reform under Bill Clinton means you have to work to get government money. It's not free. All those poor Appalachian whites on welfare know that to be true. Surprised it hasn't gotten around to the determined ignorant.

 

[initforme]

Low pollution regulations are a good thing? Remeber the Ohio river was in fire only because of corporate power. Perhaps we can get back to those days.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Maybe divide it north to south; from Minnesota to Texas, or something along those lines. Yep, a lot of people would have to move, but the next generation of people would really appreciate what we did; at least the conservative generation.

Heck, to never have to put up with liberals again, I would move. And if we voted to have my state in the conservative side and the liberals had to move, my property value would double overnight.

Why? Put a border wall along Washington, Oregon and California and back along the border with Mexico in the west and another along the western border of Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the small section of DC in the east.

That would isolate the vast majority of libs to those areas. We can build a new US capitol in Kansas City or someplace similar.

Yeah, but the biggest problem would be trying to keep liberals out of our states. In no time at all, they'd be jumping those walls and that would require more police. Of course, since our crime would diminish, maybe all those laid off cops can do the job.

Most of the population and wealth would be in the 'liberal' areas. I'd guess you'd be left with a 3rd world country, mostly owned by the liberals.

Is that what you think? Well wealth doesn't last long when most of your population is on the dole or in prison. Somebody has to support them. Besides, with our low tax rate and pollution regulations, most of the businesses would move here and we could create our own wealth. We will still sell you products though.........you know, compassionate conservatism....

Even in Texas the largest cities are blue. Would they be walled off too?

Separation by states was the good Admirals idea. My original idea was to divide the country in half from north to south. Conservatives get one side and liberals get the other. Two separate countries that can still have minimal interaction between each other. But the nice thing about that is no more fighting, no more arguing, no more putting up with one side or the other. Each side runs it's own way.

On the liberal side you can make firearm ownership illegal, have thousands of pollution regulations, taxation out the ass, prisons that are like hotel suites, legal recreational narcotics, and a government that tells you what to do from the time you get up until the time you go to bed. Doesn't that sound like Utopia to you?

I just want to see everybody happy is all, including myself. And there isn't much more that could make me happier than never having to deal with liberals and their antics again. And hey.......if we acted quick enough, Hillary could still be your President!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Low pollution regulations are a good thing? Remeber the Ohio river was in fire only because of corporate power. Perhaps we can get back to those days.

When the river caught on fire, it was empirical evidence that putting chemicals in the water didn't dissipate them. When you have such hard evidence, then you can address it as we did. Global warming has no such evidence, yet we have spent trillions and trillions of dollars on a theory.

There are reasonable pollution regulations and unreasonable pollution regulations.

 

[Slade3200]

I don’t know, I guess that depends on how many years of solid conservative leadership we’ve had over the past 30 years... care to answer that question?

I'm probably not qualified but I'd say the Bush 41 &, even more so, Bush 43 (the 'compassionate' conservative).

How do you explain both being followed by democratic/progressive leaders?

"How do you explain both being followed by democratic/progressive leaders?"

People are constantly being told their leaders are no good. The conservative media certainly had it in for Obama. With him gone they now are feeding on the 'establishment' GOP. The pendulum is poised to swing back to one-term presidents.

That’s exactly the point that Ive been trying to make

 

[Slade3200]

No, don’t need a tissue... care to answer the question?

Its trending away from liberalism and towards conservativism that's all you need to know.

Yes, like it has since our countries inception. It swings like a pendulum which is a good thing. Don’t make it out to be this big revolution.

When you lose the House, Senate, White House, and 30 states to a candidate as weak as Trump that's a bitch slapping. In never gets old rubbing that in

I don’t know what you think you are rubbing in, I didn’t vote for Clinton and I’m not a democrat. I do like to deal in reality though

If you did, you'd be a conservative.

I’m pretry liberal on social issues and pretty conservative on fiscal issues. I think both parties suck. I also think a good balance between conservatives and liberals is healthy and necessary. We shouldn’t be at war with each other

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Low pollution regulations are a good thing? Remeber the Ohio river was in fire only because of corporate power. Perhaps we can get back to those days.

Remeber?

in fire?

Try again!

Also, your imagination is running away with you.

How about a link?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Its trending away from liberalism and towards conservativism that's all you need to know.

Yes, like it has since our countries inception. It swings like a pendulum which is a good thing. Don’t make it out to be this big revolution.

When you lose the House, Senate, White House, and 30 states to a candidate as weak as Trump that's a bitch slapping. In never gets old rubbing that in

I don’t know what you think you are rubbing in, I didn’t vote for Clinton and I’m not a democrat. I do like to deal in reality though

If you did, you'd be a conservative.

I’m pretry liberal on social issues and pretty conservative on fiscal issues. I think both parties suck. I also think a good balance between conservatives and liberals is healthy and necessary. We shouldn’t be at war with each other

Then, if that is the case, you can simply stop lying and they will kick you off those liberal social issues.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Its trending away from liberalism and towards conservativism that's all you need to know.

Yes, like it has since our countries inception. It swings like a pendulum which is a good thing. Don’t make it out to be this big revolution.

When you lose the House, Senate, White House, and 30 states to a candidate as weak as Trump that's a bitch slapping. In never gets old rubbing that in

I don’t know what you think you are rubbing in, I didn’t vote for Clinton and I’m not a democrat. I do like to deal in reality though

If you did, you'd be a conservative.

I’m pretry liberal on social issues and pretty conservative on fiscal issues. I think both parties suck. I also think a good balance between conservatives and liberals is healthy and necessary. We shouldn’t be at war with each other

 

[alang1216]

Without welfare programs, they will have to work and realize that being liberal makes no sense if it doesn't reward you.

California has the 7th largest economy in the WORLD. New York sends more to the Federal gov't than it gets in return. These blue states are doing very, very well.

 

[alang1216]

Why? Put a border wall along Washington, Oregon and California and back along the border with Mexico in the west and another along the western border of Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the small section of DC in the east.

That would isolate the vast majority of libs to those areas. We can build a new US capitol in Kansas City or someplace similar.

Yeah, but the biggest problem would be trying to keep liberals out of our states. In no time at all, they'd be jumping those walls and that would require more police. Of course, since our crime would diminish, maybe all those laid off cops can do the job.

Most of the population and wealth would be in the 'liberal' areas. I'd guess you'd be left with a 3rd world country, mostly owned by the liberals.

Is that what you think? Well wealth doesn't last long when most of your population is on the dole or in prison. Somebody has to support them. Besides, with our low tax rate and pollution regulations, most of the businesses would move here and we could create our own wealth. We will still sell you products though.........you know, compassionate conservatism....

Even in Texas the largest cities are blue. Would they be walled off too?

Separation by states was the good Admirals idea. My original idea was to divide the country in half from north to south. Conservatives get one side and liberals get the other. Two separate countries that can still have minimal interaction between each other. But the nice thing about that is no more fighting, no more arguing, no more putting up with one side or the other. Each side runs it's own way.

On the liberal side you can make firearm ownership illegal, have thousands of pollution regulations, taxation out the ass, prisons that are like hotel suites, legal recreational narcotics, and a government that tells you what to do from the time you get up until the time you go to bed. Doesn't that sound like Utopia to you?

I just want to see everybody happy is all, including myself. And there isn't much more that could make me happier than never having to deal with liberals and their antics again. And hey.......if we acted quick enough, Hillary could still be your President!

So these two countries would have separate constitutions that lock in conservative or liberal values and can't be changed? I think I'd prefer to live in a democracy.