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But, we do. Your decisions are generally shaped by your experiences, but are in no way bound by them.It all depends on how you define free will. I'm saying that our free will is a by-product of cause and effect, and not a contradiction of causality. If you go the traditional route, and define free will such that it is free from cause, then no, we don't possess that kind of free will.Well... if you are bound by something other than your ablity to make whatever choice you decide you want to make, then you do not really possess free will.
Your off-topic blatering only serves to support the premise that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.Nobody can be truly free surrounded by so many millions of guns in the hands of so many retards. A state just passed a law that's it's now ok to be packing in a bar. Now if there's something that goes well with guns, it's drunken bar fights.
All biology derives from chemistry.
All chemistry derives from physics.
Free will requires willfull control over the biological functions of the brain, and then, by extension, the willfull control over the physics that drive the chemisty which allows this biological control.
Where does this willfull control of physics come from?
Your off-topic blatering only serves to support the premise that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.Nobody can be truly free surrounded by so many millions of guns in the hands of so many retards. A state just passed a law that's it's now ok to be packing in a bar. Now if there's something that goes well with guns, it's drunken bar fights.
Go troll somehwere else -- the adults are tying to have a legitimate conversation.
Your off-topic blatering only serves to support the premise that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.Your off-topic blatering only serves to support the premise that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.Nobody can be truly free surrounded by so many millions of guns in the hands of so many retards. A state just passed a law that's it's now ok to be packing in a bar. Now if there's something that goes well with guns, it's drunken bar fights.
Go troll somehwere else -- the adults are tying to have a legitimate conversation.
How can you have free will when everyone has a gun? Tray couldn't even walk down the street without some lunatic following him with a gun.
Ok... and what mechanism within the laws of physics allows us to consciously and willfully choose to fire / to not fire electical impulses down a neural pathway?Your "willfull control of physics" is still subjegated to the laws of physics.All biology derives from chemistry.
All chemistry derives from physics.
Free will requires willfull control over the biological functions of the brain, and then, by extension, the willfull control over the physics that drive the chemisty which allows this biological control.
Where does this willfull control of physics come from?
Your off-topic blatering only serves to support the premise that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.Your off-topic blatering only serves to support the premise that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
Go troll somehwere else -- the adults are tying to have a legitimate conversation.
How can you have free will when everyone has a gun? Tray couldn't even walk down the street without some lunatic following him with a gun.
Go troll somehwere else -- the adults are tying to have a legitimate conversation.
Ok... and what mechanism within the laws of physics allows us to consciously and willfully choose to fire / to not fire electical impulses down a neural pathway?Your "willfull control of physics" is still subjegated to the laws of physics.All biology derives from chemistry.
All chemistry derives from physics.
Free will requires willfull control over the biological functions of the brain, and then, by extension, the willfull control over the physics that drive the chemisty which allows this biological control.
Where does this willfull control of physics come from?
But, we do. Your decisions are generally shaped by your experiences, but are in no way bound by them.It all depends on how you define free will. I'm saying that our free will is a by-product of cause and effect, and not a contradiction of causality. If you go the traditional route, and define free will such that it is free from cause, then no, we don't possess that kind of free will.Well... if you are bound by something other than your ablity to make whatever choice you decide you want to make, then you do not really possess free will.
Politicians have no free will, they get bullied by the NRA, among others...But, we do. Your decisions are generally shaped by your experiences, but are in no way bound by them.It all depends on how you define free will. I'm saying that our free will is a by-product of cause and effect, and not a contradiction of causality. If you go the traditional route, and define free will such that it is free from cause, then no, we don't possess that kind of free will.
What I'm saying is that's an unwarranted assumption. There's no objective evidence (outside a 'gut-feeling' most of us harbor) that suggests our thoughts and decisions are free from causality. But again, I have to ask - what would it even mean for our thoughts to be free from causality? And why would that be preferable? Wouldn't they just be random occurrences in that case?
You're dodging the question.Since all creatures with brains "fire electrical impulses down a neural pathway" are you claiming that they too have "free will"? This would even include ants since they too have brains.Ok... and what mechanism within the laws of physics allows us to consciously and willfully choose to fire / to not fire electical impulses down a neural pathway?Your "willfull control of physics" is still subjegated to the laws of physics.
Ok.. lets say that all of our decisions are in some way bound to our experiences.What I'm saying is that's an unwarranted assumption. There's no objective evidence (outside a 'gut-feeling' most of us harbor) that suggests our thoughts and decisions are free from causality.But, we do. Your decisions are generally shaped by your experiences, but are in no way bound by them.It all depends on how you define free will. I'm saying that our free will is a by-product of cause and effect, and not a contradiction of causality. If you go the traditional route, and define free will such that it is free from cause, then no, we don't possess that kind of free will.
I dont see how this is relevant to the topic I present here.But again, I have to ask - what would it even mean for our thoughts to be free from causality? And why would that be preferable? Wouldn't they just be random occurrences in that case?
You're dodging the question.Since all creatures with brains "fire electrical impulses down a neural pathway" are you claiming that they too have "free will"? This would even include ants since they too have brains.Ok... and what mechanism within the laws of physics allows us to consciously and willfully choose to fire / to not fire electical impulses down a neural pathway?
Ok.. lets say that all of our decisions are in some way bound to our experiences.What I'm saying is that's an unwarranted assumption. There's no objective evidence (outside a 'gut-feeling' most of us harbor) that suggests our thoughts and decisions are free from causality.But, we do. Your decisions are generally shaped by your experiences, but are in no way bound by them.
The question still remains:
To truely choose, we must have some degree of conscious control over our physiology.
Agree?
I dont see how this is relevant to the topic I present here.But again, I have to ask - what would it even mean for our thoughts to be free from causality? And why would that be preferable? Wouldn't they just be random occurrences in that case?
I stated:Not in the least. The response you received was merely asking for a clarification.You're dodging the question.Since all creatures with brains "fire electrical impulses down a neural pathway" are you claiming that they too have "free will"? This would even include ants since they too have brains.
Thoughts are willful, as are actions based on choice.It sounds like you're asking how a thought or decision gets translated into action? Well, thoughts are actions...Ok.. lets say that all of our decisions are in some way bound to our experiences.What I'm saying is that's an unwarranted assumption. There's no objective evidence (outside a 'gut-feeling' most of us harbor) that suggests our thoughts and decisions are free from causality.
The question still remains:
To truely choose, we must have some degree of conscious control over our physiology.
Agree?
Ah. Well, we're past that now.I'm addressing the assumption that our thoughts and decisions aren't bound by causality.
Thoughts are willful, as are actions based on choice.It sounds like you're asking how a thought or decision gets translated into action? Well, thoughts are actions...Ok.. lets say that all of our decisions are in some way bound to our experiences.
The question still remains:
To truely choose, we must have some degree of conscious control over our physiology.
Agree?
They all rest on the willful, conscious control of the physiology of our brains, which requires the ability to choose/ choose not to fire the nuerons in the manner necessary to do so.
To truely choose, we must have some degree of conscious control over our physiology.
Agree?
Ah. Well, we're past that now.I'm addressing the assumption that our thoughts and decisions aren't bound by causality.
I stated:Not in the least. The response you received was merely asking for a clarification.You're dodging the question.
Ok... and what mechanism within the laws of physics allows us to consciously and willfully choose to fire / to not fire electical impulses down a neural pathway?
Nothig here makes any reference to any other animals other than man.
Hopefully that clears the way for you to asnwer my question.
All of which requires at least some degree of willful control - else, there is no possibility of choice.Thoughts are willful, as are actions based on choice.It sounds like you're asking how a thought or decision gets translated into action? Well, thoughts are actions...
They all rest on the willful, conscious control of the physiology of our brains, which requires the ability to choose/ choose not to fire the nuerons in the manner necessary to do so.
To truely choose, we must have some degree of conscious control over our physiology.
Agree?
Not in the sense you're claiming, no. The act of choosing IS the firing of neurons; which is caused by the previous firing of neurons, etc, etc...
They are exacly that - events that are willfully exercised by the person thinking and making the decisions.I'm not sure we are. You seem to be hedging back on the idea that thoughts and decisions are composed of something beyond biochemical events.
