Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

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The host says what most Arabs think - that all of Israel is "occupied" and that compensating Palestinians for any property they fled from would be disastrous for their "cause" - the cause of destroying Israel.

Abdelsalam Al-Majali: Is it better for them to remain hungry?

Host: And selling their land is better?

Abdelsalam Al-Majali: Well, what can you do? You lost the land to a military force. You do not have any power. All you do is talk. The Arabs do not have any power. If we ever have military power, will we let them keep Haifa? We'll take it. If tomorrow, we become stronger and can take Haifa by force, will we really decline just because we have an agreement with them?

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There we go. The most peaceful Jordanian one can find, an actual signatory to a peace agreement, admits that he would tear up the agreement if Jordan could destroy Israel militarily.

No one in the Western world wants to admit this but this is the way virtually all Arabs think. And there is nothing in their media that teaches true peace with Israel.

(full article online)

Even moderate Arabs support peace with Israel only until they get strong enough to win militarily ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

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Guardian op-ed defends the view that Israel has no right to exist.

 

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Corbyn's criticism is justified. And the state, which deals with theft, murder and racist acts under the law of nationality, is rightly justified by this criticism."

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Haneen Zoabi comes to Corbyn's defense over antisemitic criticisms

 

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What`s the connection between the new PLO Head of Prisoners' Commission and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing? - PMW Bulletins

 

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But in real life, the agency has laid off 113 workers in Gaza, 154 in the West Bank and around 100 in Jordan—about 370 in total. If that sounds like a lot, then you haven’t read UNRWA’s website, which proudly declares the agency “one of the largest United Nations programs, with over 30,000 personnel.” In short, these “extensive” cutbacks, as one media report termed them, total a little more than 1 percent of UNRWA’s enormous staff. That’s not something most organizations would label a crisis.

Moreover, UNRWA wouldn’t have any crisis at all if it weren’t outrageously overstaffed. It has almost three times as many employees as the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, though the latter agency, which cares for all non-Palestinian refugees and displaced people worldwide, serves 12 times as many people. In other words, UNRWA has one employee for every 167 “refugees,” while UNHCR has one for every 5,200.

Nor would UNRWA have any problem if it didn’t endlessly expand its refugee rolls by including every refugee’s descendent for all eternity, even though most aren’t refugees at all, since they’re either citizens of other countries or residents of the West Bank and Gaza, which the United Nations itself deems the “State of Palestine.” The agency doesn’t even bother delisting many who are dead. In short, it has many ways to cut costs without causing a crisis.

Defense officials’ second fallacy is that Hamas providing services in UNRWA’s stead would somehow be bad. In reality, if Hamas had to provide services to the people it governs, it would have less money to spend on its endless military build-up, which would improve Israel’s security.

That’s exactly what happened last year, when the Palestinian Authority, which had previously financed all civilian services in Hamas-run Gaza not provided by UNRWA, stopped doing so. For the first time, Hamas had to pay for civilian needs like fuel for Gaza’s only power plant out of its own pocket. Consequently, according to Israeli intelligence, it slashed its annual military budget from $200 million in 2014 (the year of the last Hamas-Israel war) to $50 million last year. Even $70 million in military aid from Iran, then still flush with cash from the 2015 nuclear deal, couldn’t make up that shortfall.

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Sacrificing Israel’s long-term interests for short-term gains

 

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Owing to specific circumstances in our personal lives, we have a larger-than-usual sensitivity to the double-talk of self-important public officials. Still, we try to stay polite, considerate and respectful, so that we sometimes keep silent even when we feel the overwhelming urge to shout rudely and try to take those figures down a notch.

We're suspending the silence today to speak out about the man, Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein, who has just ended a term as "the world's moral-arbiter-in-chief" (according to this US report at the time of his appointment) and one of the most powerful operators in the United Nations civil service. His previous gigs have included being Jordan's ambassador to the UN for seven years, and then its ambassador to the US and to Mexico. He's a cousin of Jordan's current ruler, King Abdullah II and the next in line to the throne of Iraq. (The Hashemite clan of which Zeid is a member were granted royal domain over what we know today as Jordan and Iraq by the British in the 1920's.) A USA Today commentary pointed out "the prince's lifelong ties to the Jordanian regime headed by his cousin... Zeid has not commented on Jordan's abuses, and some have questioned his suitability for the human-rights post".

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This Ongoing War: A Blog: 31-Aug-18: Lessons learned from the world's moral arbiter-in-chief

 

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I found a mostly sympathetic paper about UNRWA called "UNRWA and the Palestinian refugees: a history within history" on the UNRWA website. It was written in 2010 by Riccardo Bocco for the Refugee Survey Quarterly.

Here is an interesting section:

In looking at who is a Palestinian refugee, there is no definitive response. The definition and the number of Palestinian refugees can differ according to the approach (administrative, juridical, political) used to define Palestinian refugees and also according to the social context of interaction between Palestinians (registered refugees or not) and others and the actors defining them. UNRWA, particularly at the beginning of its mandate, lacked a fixed definition; this changed mainly due to a need to delimit the number of relief recipients. When the Agency began its activities, it inherited a legacy of inflated registration: the United Nations Economic Survey Mission recorded approximately 720,000 people, while the number of recipients on the ration rolls of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees (UNRPR) surpassed 950,000. It is the 1952 definition that has become the accepted one and has remained virtually unchanged: “a Palestine refugee shall mean any person whose normal place of residence was Palestine during the period June 1, 1946 to May 15, 1948, and who lost both home and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 conflict."

It is important to emphasize that the UNRWA definition of a Palestine refugee is an administrative one and does not translate directly into recognition by international law.
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Furthermore, a tacit understanding seems to prevail: UNRWA’s continued existence (and the associated Palestine refugee status) is directly linked to the realization of a permanent resolution to the Palestine refugee issue.UNRWA created the definition of "Palestine refugee," not the UN and not international law. It is an administrative definition, not a legal one. Today, practically zero of the current "Palestine refugees" are refugees; even most of the ones who fled in 1948 would not qualify under the legal definition since they were not fleeing persecution, as their brethren who remained behind prove.

But the next sentence shows that UNRWA has a great disincentive to redefine "refugee" to be closer to the legal definition: if it did so, it would not exist. Its very existence, Bocco notes, is dependent on there being no solution to the refugee issue - so why would UNRWA want to change the definition that would render it unnecessary?

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.@UNRWA site hosts document that admits that Palestinians aren't refugees under international law ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

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Palestinians step up attacks on Trump administration

 

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Why are Palestinian refugees different from all other refugees?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why are Palestinian refugees different from all other refugees?

 

[Hollie]

Why are Palestinian refugees different from all other refugees?

Ya’ Allah, dude. Not another dumping of that spam YouTube video.

 

[USAF 2023]

Why are Palestinian refugees different from all other refugees?

Why are Palestinian refugees different from all other refugees?

Yawn..,,,, Won’t happen. What is “ forgotten” is one key phrase” Live in peace with your neighbors” The Palestinians haven’t demonstrated that. Not too long ago I posted a You Tube Video in which the Palestinians reluctantly stated that they probably could but they would consider the ENTIRE area as “ Palestine”.
I am paraphrasing but not long ago Tinmore posted something that stated not even “ International Law” took precedence over keeping people out of territories they had historical rights to. That includes E. Jerusalem for the Israelis.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why are Palestinian refugees different from all other refugees?

Ya’ Allah, dude. Not another dumping of that spam YouTube video.

Sixties asked a question. The video answers it.

 

[Shusha]

Why are Palestinian refugees different from all other refugees?

Ya’ Allah, dude. Not another dumping of that spam YouTube video.

Sixties asked a question. The video answers it.

If it takes three hours to answer Sixties questions, its gotta be a whole lot of bullshit. Can you sum up in a paragraph the answer to the question? Better yet, sum it up in a single sentence. If your argument is good and objective, it should be easy to do that.

Why are Arab Palestinian refugees different than all other refugees?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why are Palestinian refugees different from all other refugees?

Ya’ Allah, dude. Not another dumping of that spam YouTube video.

Sixties asked a question. The video answers it.

If it takes three hours to answer Sixties questions, its gotta be a whole lot of bullshit. Can you sum up in a paragraph the answer to the question? Better yet, sum it up in a single sentence. If your argument is good and objective, it should be easy to do that.

Why are Arab Palestinian refugees different than all other refugees?

The UN had a responsibility for the Palestinians that they did not have for other refugees.

 

[Shusha]

Why are Palestinian refugees different from all other refugees?

Ya’ Allah, dude. Not another dumping of that spam YouTube video.

Sixties asked a question. The video answers it.

If it takes three hours to answer Sixties questions, its gotta be a whole lot of bullshit. Can you sum up in a paragraph the answer to the question? Better yet, sum it up in a single sentence. If your argument is good and objective, it should be easy to do that.

Why are Arab Palestinian refugees different than all other refugees?

The UN had a responsibility for the Palestinians that they did not have for other refugees.

Why would the UN have a different responsibility towards Arab Palestinians than any other refugees in the history of the UN?

Why would the UN ha e a different responsibility towards the Arab people uprooted in 1947-1948 as compared to the Syrians of today? Or the Sudanese? Or the Rohingya? Or any other peoples?

 

[Hollie]

Why are Palestinian refugees different from all other refugees?

Ya’ Allah, dude. Not another dumping of that spam YouTube video.

Sixties asked a question. The video answers it.

If it takes three hours to answer Sixties questions, its gotta be a whole lot of bullshit. Can you sum up in a paragraph the answer to the question? Better yet, sum it up in a single sentence. If your argument is good and objective, it should be easy to do that.

Why are Arab Palestinian refugees different than all other refugees?

The UN had a responsibility for the Palestinians that they did not have for other refugees.

No, they did not.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ya’ Allah, dude. Not another dumping of that spam YouTube video.

Sixties asked a question. The video answers it.

If it takes three hours to answer Sixties questions, its gotta be a whole lot of bullshit. Can you sum up in a paragraph the answer to the question? Better yet, sum it up in a single sentence. If your argument is good and objective, it should be easy to do that.

Why are Arab Palestinian refugees different than all other refugees?

The UN had a responsibility for the Palestinians that they did not have for other refugees.

Why would the UN have a different responsibility towards Arab Palestinians than any other refugees in the history of the UN?

Why would the UN ha e a different responsibility towards the Arab people uprooted in 1947-1948 as compared to the Syrians of today? Or the Sudanese? Or the Rohingya? Or any other peoples?

If y'all would watch the video, you wouldn't have to ask all these stupid questions.