Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Hollie]

The IAF has done some remodeling in Gaza’istan.



Israeli warplanes hit Gaza after Palestinian rocket fire: Army

Israeli warplanes hit positions belonging to the Gaza Strip's ruling Hamas movement early on Monday in response to rocket fire into Israel, the army said in a statement, as it announced a cut in fuel supplies to the besieged Strip.

Hamas spokesman Hazem Qassem denied the group's involvement, Maan news agency reported, saying that Palestinian factions in the enclave were not responsible for any rocket fire.

Earlier, the Israeli military said three rockets were fired from Gaza into southern Israel overnight.

 

[Hollie]

Just another day in the lawless islamic territories where psychopaths are lauded as heroes.


'Palestinian' organizations applaud murderous terror attack

'Palestinian' organizations applaud murderous terror attack

'Heroic action' and 'great merit': Terror groups praise attack which killed 17-year-old, wounded her father and brother.

 

[Hollie]

The Qatari bagman is coming to visit Gaza'istan with more suitcases full of cash. My suspicion is that Qatari welfare money (possibly contributions from other Arab nations), is intended to counter the Iranian influence.


Qatari envoy brings Gaza Strip $10 million monthly infusion

Qatari envoy brings Gaza Strip $10 million monthly infusion


In an August 16 speech, Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar said, “We will complete this path, Allah willing. We will amass power in preparation for our return and our liberation.”

“If Allah decrees for the day of his victory and conquest to come, we will lead you, your offspring, your sons to wash this nation of its shame, and to purify the Holy Places, Allah willing.” The Holy Places likely refers to Jerusalem, Israel’s capital.






It's really a strange thing. As much as the Israelis and we Westerners are told in no uncertain terms by the Islamists what they're intentions are, we tend not to believe them or react with surprise at each new gee-had attack. Gee-had is messy and it always means the same thing: Kill the infidels who stand between Islam and its delusions of supremacy.

 

[Sixties Fan]

A book titled Palestine: A Four-Thousand-Year History, which seeks to trace modern Palestinian identity back many centuries before the oldest parts of the Hebrew Bible were composed, might be dismissed out of hand as a work of quackery. But the author, Nur Masalha, has a doctorate from a British university and a post at London’s prestigious School of Oriental and African Studies. In a careful review, Alex Stein takes apart the book’s various distortions, half-truths, cherry-picking of evidence, insinuations, and logical leaps, of which a few examples suffice:
On . . . the enduring use of the name Palestine itself, [one of the book’s core arguments], Masalha provides no evidence to back up this claim. Nor does he identify the people or peoples who [supposedly] used the name Palestine so habitually. . . . [O]f the four specific examples produced to link the term Palestine to the Late Bronze Age (3300 to 1200 BCE), three are taken from the 7th century CE onward. Despite its presentation as a 4,000-year history, Palestine has a distinct bias toward the era that followed the Islamic conquest of the Levant in 636 CE.

Even when he is writing about the Bronze Age, Masalha strives to emphasize the Arab connection:

Arabic-language epigraphic evidence from Palestine east of the Jordan River is extensive, with some Arabic inscriptions dating from the Roman era and as early as 150 CE. In fact, Palestine is extremely rich in Arabic inscriptions, most of which date from the early Islamic and Umayyad periods.A more relevant observation, especially in a chapter dealing with the Late Bronze Age, [which ended by] 500 BCE, would clearly be the numerous Hebrew inscriptions discovered by archaeologists and dating from that period.

Likewise, despite repeatedly insisting that his goal is to “read the history of Palestine through the eyes of the indigenous” in order to create a “pluralist” version of history as opposed to the version shaped by colonialism, Masalha goes to great lengths to minimize Jewish history in the land of Israel. As Stein puts it, “there is no room for Jews in Masalha’s ‘pluralist’ reading of Palestine’s history, other than as passive members of a ‘faith community’ living under Arab Muslim hegemony.” And as a historian explicitly hostile to imperialism and colonialism, Masalha has a notable blind spot, as evidenced by his discussion of “indigenous” vs. “settler-colonist” place names:

(full article online)

Fabricating Palestinian History

 

[Sixties Fan]

The birth of the modern-day State of Israel in 1948 caused “the wholesale flight and expulsion of much of the Arab population of Palestine” (still unidentified, according to Khalidi, as Palestinians). Indeed, as late as the 1950s and 1960s, “there were few indications … of the existence of an independent Palestinian identity or of Palestinian nationalism.” But “the experience of defeat, dispossession, and exile guaranteed that they knew what their identity was very soon afterwards: they were Palestinians.” The argument that Palestinian nationalism has “deep historical roots” expresses “a nationalist consciousness and identity that are, in fact, relatively modern.”

Abbas’s claim prompted Eli E. Hertz, a student of myths and facts about the Middle East, to illuminate its absurdity from a different perspective. He notes that before 1948, “Palestine” had been the preferred term of Jewish identification. The pre-state Jewish Agency began as the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The Jerusalem Post had been The Palestine Post. The Israel Philharmonic Orchestra was known as the Palestine Symphony Orchestra.

While there may be no better way to assert a claim of ancient Palestinian identity than to locate it in the pre-Israelite Canaanites, it should be recognized as an absurd fictional myth disguised as fact. To be sure, some Palestinian Arabs deferred to historical truth. Shortly before the birth of the State of Israel, Arab historian Philip Hitti conceded: “There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.” Why was it, wondered Walid Shoebat from Bethlehem, “that on June 4, 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian. … We considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of a sudden we were Palestinians.”

Even Columbia literary scholar and prominent Palestinian advocate Edward Said (whose name adorns Khalidi’s professorship) constructed his own “Palestinian” identity. Born to a Lebanese mother and Egyptian father during a brief family sojourn in Jerusalem, his boyhood was spent amid family wealth and comfort in Cairo. Like Yasser Arafat, he was more Egyptian than Palestinian.

In the end, what is most striking about Palestinian identity — Mahmoud Abbas to the contrary — is its derivation from modern Jewish and Zionist, not Canaanite, sources.

(full article online)

The Myth of Palestinian ‘Canaanites’

 

[P F Tinmore]

The birth of the modern-day State of Israel in 1948 caused “the wholesale flight and expulsion of much of the Arab population of Palestine” (still unidentified, according to Khalidi, as Palestinians). Indeed, as late as the 1950s and 1960s, “there were few indications … of the existence of an independent Palestinian identity or of Palestinian nationalism.” But “the experience of defeat, dispossession, and exile guaranteed that they knew what their identity was very soon afterwards: they were Palestinians.” The argument that Palestinian nationalism has “deep historical roots” expresses “a nationalist consciousness and identity that are, in fact, relatively modern.”

Abbas’s claim prompted Eli E. Hertz, a student of myths and facts about the Middle East, to illuminate its absurdity from a different perspective. He notes that before 1948, “Palestine” had been the preferred term of Jewish identification. The pre-state Jewish Agency began as the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The Jerusalem Post had been The Palestine Post. The Israel Philharmonic Orchestra was known as the Palestine Symphony Orchestra.

While there may be no better way to assert a claim of ancient Palestinian identity than to locate it in the pre-Israelite Canaanites, it should be recognized as an absurd fictional myth disguised as fact. To be sure, some Palestinian Arabs deferred to historical truth. Shortly before the birth of the State of Israel, Arab historian Philip Hitti conceded: “There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.” Why was it, wondered Walid Shoebat from Bethlehem, “that on June 4, 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian. … We considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of a sudden we were Palestinians.”

Even Columbia literary scholar and prominent Palestinian advocate Edward Said (whose name adorns Khalidi’s professorship) constructed his own “Palestinian” identity. Born to a Lebanese mother and Egyptian father during a brief family sojourn in Jerusalem, his boyhood was spent amid family wealth and comfort in Cairo. Like Yasser Arafat, he was more Egyptian than Palestinian.

In the end, what is most striking about Palestinian identity — Mahmoud Abbas to the contrary — is its derivation from modern Jewish and Zionist, not Canaanite, sources.

(full article online)

The Myth of Palestinian ‘Canaanites’

“there were few indications … of the existence of an independent Palestinian identity or of Palestinian nationalism.”

You are hung up on the name and not on the people.

What were the Native Americans called before it was America? Are they a different people than before it was America? Would they be a different people if they identified themselves to be Americans?

It is a straw man and irrelevant argument.

 

[Hollie]

It is a straw man and irrelevant argument.

It certainly is when you invent a nationality and assign that to an invented people.

 

[Hollie]

It just looks inevitable that both versions of islamic terrorists (Iranian and Hamas, the Iranian wannabes), are going to escalate their attacks to a point where Israel will need to respond with a much wider array of Islamic terrorist beatdowns.




Israel Foils Iranian 'Killer Drone' Attack in Syria, Retaliates Against Hamas in South

JERUSALEM, Israel – Within the past few days, Israelis faced not only Iranian killer drones on their northern border but Hamas missiles on their southern border.

The Israel Defense Forces attacked Hamas targets in Gaza Sunday night in response to rockets fired at southern Israel earlier on Sunday.

According to the army, three rockets were fired towards Israel, setting off red alert alarms in Sderot, Ibim, Or HaNer, Nir Am, Gevim and Spapir College.

 

[Hollie]

A thumbs-up for two, formerly oxygen wasting islamic militants pious moslems who recently converted to "...and that's that".


Men killed in IDF strike in Syria identified as Hezbollah militants

According to the Israeli military, the men had traveled to Iran to undergo training with unmanned aerial vehicles with the aim of targeting Israeli military installations and national infrastructure.

 

[Hollie]

Uh oh. He's mad.

This is a "I'm mad now", grimace if I ever saw one.

But all seriousness aside, Mahmoud, when was there ever a "country of Pal'istan"?




PA SLAMS U.S. FOR REMOVING PALESTINIANS FROM LIST OF COUNTRIES

PA slams U.S. for removing Palestinians from list of countries
By KHALED ABU TOAMEH

 

[Sixties Fan]

Bombing murder of 17-year-old followed Fatah call for return to terror - PMW Bulletins

 

[Sixties Fan]

New Poll: Palestinians Want All of Jerusalem, Prisoners Not as High a Priority as Widely Thought

 

[Hollie]

Gee whiz. The “country of Sinwar’istan” has an Islamic Terrorist problem.



Deadly Explosions Target Hamas Police Checkpoints in Gaza

Deadly Explosions Target Hamas Police Checkpoints in Gaza

GAZA — Two explosions that ripped through Hamas police checkpoints in Gaza City late Tuesday killed three police officers, security officials said on Wednesday, in an uncommon attack believed to have been carried by forces within the territory.

 

[Hollie]

Egypt is in quite a difficult position as a mediator. Whatever dialogue the Egyptians may have with Hamas means little when the Iranian Mullocrats are dictating terms to the islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza.




Egypt Vows to Stop Mediation Efforts If Hamas Continues Rocket Strikes Against Israel - Reports

Egypt Vows to Stop Mediation Efforts If Hamas Continues Rocket Strikes Against Israel - Reports

 

[Sixties Fan]

This alternative narrative suffers from three major inaccuracies.

Firstly, no “exhausting negotiations” were needed. Israel has been willing for months to transfer the taxes it had collected, but the PA was unwilling to accept the deducted amounts. The only “exhausting negotiations” required were internal PA negotiations on how to spin the decision to accept the funds without being openly seen as abandoning the PA posturing.

Secondly, Israeli law requires that “Blu” tax be collected on all gas and fuel sold within Israel. A separate provision of the law permits the Israeli Authorities to transfer to the PA any “Blu” collected on gas and fuel destined for the areas under PA control. Since the Israeli Knesset has not functioned for several months (as a result of elections and return elections) it is impossible that any changes in these laws that would allow the PA to import “petroleum without 'Blu' tax retroactively for the past 7 months” could have been passed.
Thirdly, statistics published by the PA Ministry of Finance (and independently verified by Palestinian Media Watch) show that in the first half of 2019, the income from “Blu” taxes was 1.27 billion shekels - reflecting a monthly average of approximately 211 million shekels. Which means, that by accepting 2 billion shekels (which is hundreds of millions more than the “Blu” taxes revenue), the PA has de facto given in to Israel's demand to accept the tax money minus the terror money deduction. To save face, the PA is lying to its own people and to the international community claiming it is only agreeing to receive the "Blu" tax money.
While this is perfectly clear to those familiar with the both PA finances and Israel’s legislative process, it is not entirely unlikely that many of the Palestinian population and the international community accepted Al-Sheikh’s explanations, assuming that he was telling the truth.

Israel’s Anti-“Pay for Slay” law was passed in July 2018. The law instructs the state to deduct and freeze the amount of money the PA pays in salaries to imprisoned terrorists and families of "Martyrs" in one year from the tax money Israel collects and transfers to the PA in the following year. Should the PA stop these payments for a full year, the Israeli government would have the option of giving all or part of the frozen money to the PA. The law was first implemented in February 2019, shortly after the murder of Ori Ansbacher, when Israel's Security Cabinet decided to withhold 502,697,000 Israeli shekels (approximately $138 million) from the PA to be deducted in 12 monthly parts.

In response to the decision, the PA announced that if Israel implemented the law and deducted the funds, the PA would refuse to accept any of the funds.

(full article online)

PA agrees to take money from Israel, but lies to save face - PMW Bulletins

 

[Sixties Fan]

Even though other parts of his essay claims otherwise, he's pretty much admitting that there was no Palestinian people - either self-identified of externally-recognized - until the 1970s, when the PLO effectively created them. And his description of Palestinian identity before the 1960s does not indicate anything unique or different about them compared to the larger Arab identity of the region. Bu his watered down criteria, Palestinian identity is no more specific than "Delaware identity" would be - a bunch of people who happen to live in a region but share no other unique characteristics.

(full article online)

Palestinian historian who denies Jewish connection to Jerusalem pretty much admits Palestinian identity didn't exist before 1967 ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Hollie]

This could get ugly for Hamas if the more pious moslems affiliated with the ISIS franchise decide that they're going to bring some real Islam to Gaza'istan.


Hamas makes mass arrests in Gaza following killing of 3 policemen said by IS

Hamas has declared a state of emergency and on Wednesday morning began arresting supporters of Islamic State and other Salafist organizations in the Gaza Strip en masse, hours after three policemen were killed in a series of blasts in the coastal enclave, according to Palestinian reports.

An unnamed security source told the BBC that the two explosions that hit police checkpoints near Gaza City on Tuesday evening were the result of suicide bombings carried out by IS and that one of the attackers had previously been detained by Hamas.

 

[Sixties Fan]

In the wake of the bombings last night in Gaza that killed three policemen, Gaza's Interior Ministry issued an eight point statement that was light on details.

The Interior Ministry, which controls the police, is warning bloggers and reporters not to say anything beyond official statements.

This is an explicit and official threat to press freedom by Hamas.

Not that "human rights activists" will even bother to mention it. After all, their willingness to speak "truth to power" doesn't extend to powers that are actually dangerous.

Sure enough, the "independent" Ma'an and Islamic Jihad'sPalestine Today only reported on what the interior ministry demanded, and nothing else. One needs to go to western sources to find out more details on the bombings, which appear to be suicide bombings by IS.

(full article online)

Gaza's Interior Ministry warns reporters not to do any real reporting ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[P F Tinmore]

Egypt is in quite a difficult position as a mediator. Whatever dialogue the Egyptians may have with Hamas means little when the Iranian Mullocrats are dictating terms to the islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza.




Egypt Vows to Stop Mediation Efforts If Hamas Continues Rocket Strikes Against Israel - Reports

Egypt Vows to Stop Mediation Efforts If Hamas Continues Rocket Strikes Against Israel - Reports

Why do the Palestinians have to give up violence while Israel gets to keep theirs?

 

[Hollie]

Egypt is in quite a difficult position as a mediator. Whatever dialogue the Egyptians may have with Hamas means little when the Iranian Mullocrats are dictating terms to the islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza.




Egypt Vows to Stop Mediation Efforts If Hamas Continues Rocket Strikes Against Israel - Reports

Egypt Vows to Stop Mediation Efforts If Hamas Continues Rocket Strikes Against Israel - Reports

Why do the Palestinians have to give up violence while Israel gets to keep theirs?

Keep what?