Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Generational Antisocial Personality Disorder
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You generally get this topic all screwed-up.

​

colony The term ‘colony’ is one of municipal or constitutional rather than international law. As such, its exact significance may vary from municipal system to municipal system. Thus, the British Interpretation Act 1889 excluded from the expression, not only any part of​

the British Islands (which include the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man), but also British India. For historical reasons, the term has been eschewed in the United States’ constitutional law and practice. But the word, generally understood as connoting any non-metropolitan the territory of a State, is occasionally employed in instruments of international legal import; e.g., the provision of art. 1(2) of the Covenant of the League of Nations for the availability of membership to ‘any fully self-governing State, Dominion or Colony’, General Assembly Res. 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, styled a Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, and the Friendly Relations Declaration (General Assembly Res. 2625 (XXV) of 24 October 1970 ), ‘The principle of equal rights and self-determination of which refers to colonialism. See also independence.​

SOURCE: Parry & Grant Encyclopaedic Dictionary of International Law, 3d ed, Copyright © 2009 by Oxford University Press, Inc. • JOHN P. GRANT and J. CRAIG BARKER, Pg 107​

Settlers are necessary, integral, and active members of the settler colonial project. How can they be "innocent civilians?"

(COMMENT)

Well, there are a couple of reasons we've gone over several times. One of which is the Israeli Settlers are NOT in a colonial relationship with Israel.

​

Since the birth of the United Nations, more than 80 former colonies comprising some 750 million people have gained independence. At present, 17 Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs) across the globe remain on the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories, home to nearly 2 million people. Thus, the process of decolonization is not complete.​

SOURCE: United Nations and Decolonization: Past to Present​

​

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All seventeen (17) of the Non-Self-Governing Territories are listed in the Annex apply titled "Non-Self-Governing Territories." Additionally, the remaining five (5) "Administrative Powers are indicated in the same Annex.

You should take notice that:

◈ There are NO Non-Self-Governing Territories anywhere in the Middle East, including the disputed Palestinian territories.​

◈ Israel is NOT listed as an Administrative Power for any territory in the world, including the Middle East.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Generational Antisocial Personality Disorder
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You generally get this topic all screwed-up.

​

colony The term ‘colony’ is one of municipal or constitutional rather than international law. As such, its exact significance may vary from municipal system to municipal system. Thus, the British Interpretation Act 1889 excluded from the expression, not only any part of​

the British Islands (which include the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man), but also British India. For historical reasons, the term has been eschewed in the United States’ constitutional law and practice. But the word, generally understood as connoting any non-metropolitan the territory of a State, is occasionally employed in instruments of international legal import; e.g., the provision of art. 1(2) of the Covenant of the League of Nations for the availability of membership to ‘any fully self-governing State, Dominion or Colony’, General Assembly Res. 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960, styled a Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, and the Friendly Relations Declaration (General Assembly Res. 2625 (XXV) of 24 October 1970 ), ‘The principle of equal rights and self-determination of which refers to colonialism. See also independence.​

SOURCE: Parry & Grant Encyclopaedic Dictionary of International Law, 3d ed, Copyright © 2009 by Oxford University Press, Inc. • JOHN P. GRANT and J. CRAIG BARKER, Pg 107​

Settlers are necessary, integral, and active members of the settler colonial project. How can they be "innocent civilians?"

(COMMENT)

Well, there are a couple of reasons we've gone over several times. One of which is the Israeli Settlers are NOT in a colonial relationship with Israel.

​

Since the birth of the United Nations, more than 80 former colonies comprising some 750 million people have gained independence. At present, 17 Non-Self-Governing Territories (NSGTs) across the globe remain on the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories, home to nearly 2 million people. Thus, the process of decolonization is not complete.​

SOURCE: United Nations and Decolonization: Past to Present​

​

​

All seventeen (17) of the Non-Self-Governing Territories are listed in the Annex apply titled "Non-Self-Governing Territories." Additionally, the remaining five (5) "Administrative Powers are indicated in the same Annex.

You should take notice that:

◈ There are NO Non-Self-Governing Territories anywhere in the Middle East, including the disputed Palestinian territories.​

◈ Israel is NOT listed as an Administrative Power for any territory in the world, including the Middle East.​

Most Respectfully,
R

When Britain handed the Mandate over to the UN in 1948, it stated that Palestinian was a non self governing entity.

 

[Hollie]

When Britain handed the Mandate over to the UN in 1948, it stated that Palestinian was a non self governing entity.

By many standards, it still isn’t.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Status @ Hand-off
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Once the British to UNPC was complete, several things happened very rapidly.

When Britain handed the Mandate over to the UN in 1948, it stated that Palestinian was a non self governing entity.

(COMMENT)

The UNPC finished its coordination for those things essential for the National Council Council for the Jewish State to present a turn-key operation to the Provisional Government for Israel.

The Arab League broke the Charter → crossed the international demarcations and began extraterritorial operations hostile to the newly formed State of Israel.

All the territory allocated for an Arab State, west of the Jordan River, became occupied trustee territory by members of the Arab League. The Gaza Strip became an Egyptian Military Governorship. The West Bank Area became Territory Occupied by the Jordanians and was annexed by Jordan in 1950.

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Once the Arab League initiated the Rouge agenda (by Egypt and Jordan) and began taking effective control of the territory (occupation) all bets were off concerning what should have happened.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

Just remember:

Israelis, of course, are "racists because they don't rape Arab women".
and Linda "I'm from Brooklyn" Sarsour, is your No.1 US feminist

so much virtue signaling for one day...

 

[P F Tinmore]

The UNPC finished its coordination for those things essential for the National Council Council for the Jewish State to present a turn-key operation to the Provisional Government for Israel.

If those were the articles in resolution 181, Israel failed all of them.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Judgment on the National Council
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Once the British Abandon the Field, everyone knew there was going to be a Conflict. It did not matter how or who interpreted the RECOMMENDATION and the thoroughness of the Israelis.

​

From the Madrid Invitation in 1991 to the introduction of the Oslo process in​

1993 to the present, a negotiated settlement has remained the dominant leitmotiv​

of peacemaking between Israel and the Palestinian people.​

................................................................................Robert P. Barnidge, Jr.​

................................................................................Taken From: Self-Determination, Statehood, and the Law of Negotiation​

................................................................................© Robert P. Barnidge, Jr. 2016 • Published in the UK by Hart Publishing Ltd​

I saw that phrase and thought: So eloquent and yet so wrong (dominant dominant). But I read the book anyway.

The UNPC finished its coordination for those things essential for the National Council Council for the Jewish State to present a turn-key operation to the Provisional Government for Israel.

If those were the articles in resolution 181, Israel failed all of them.

(COMMENT)

You've been saying this for years. So let's dust this off and get down to the Nitty-Gritty:

Just what "REQUIREMENT(s)" did the National Council not complete that would be an​

"impediment" to the Israeli "Right to Self-Determination?"​

​

Or put another way:​

What clause is in the Recommendation, (clear and concisely) are you holding as​

incomplete or omitted that would foreclose on self-determination?​

There is no doubt in my itty-bitty mind that sometimes, the most fervent and passionate pro-Arab Palestinian advocate has constructed their own "political reality" and "illogical concepts" that in defiance of all other presentations, they insist on hold as the truth and only way it can be.

So tell us what is behind your reality on this issue? What is it that brings tension to your mental spring?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

The UNPC finished its coordination for those things essential for the National Council Council for the Jewish State to present a turn-key operation to the Provisional Government for Israel.

If those were the articles in resolution 181, Israel failed all of them.

"181 was never implemented".

Did you forget the above is one of your most oft cut and pasted slogans?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The UNPC finished its coordination for those things essential for the National Council Council for the Jewish State to present a turn-key operation to the Provisional Government for Israel.

If those were the articles in resolution 181, Israel failed all of them.

"181 was never implemented".

Did you forget the above is one of your most oft cut and pasted slogans?

Indeed, but Israel mentioned it in its declaration of independence anyway to pretend to have some legitimacy.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Judgment on the National Council
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Once the British Abandon the Field, everyone knew there was going to be a Conflict. It did not matter how or who interpreted the RECOMMENDATION and the thoroughness of the Israelis.

​

From the Madrid Invitation in 1991 to the introduction of the Oslo process in​

1993 to the present, a negotiated settlement has remained the dominant leitmotiv​

of peacemaking between Israel and the Palestinian people.​

................................................................................Robert P. Barnidge, Jr.​

................................................................................Taken From: Self-Determination, Statehood, and the Law of Negotiation​

................................................................................© Robert P. Barnidge, Jr. 2016 • Published in the UK by Hart Publishing Ltd​

I saw that phrase and thought: So eloquent and yet so wrong (dominant dominant). But I read the book anyway.

The UNPC finished its coordination for those things essential for the National Council Council for the Jewish State to present a turn-key operation to the Provisional Government for Israel.

If those were the articles in resolution 181, Israel failed all of them.

(COMMENT)

You've been saying this for years. So let's dust this off and get down to the Nitty-Gritty:

Just what "REQUIREMENT(s)" did the National Council not complete that would be an​

"impediment" to the Israeli "Right to Self-Determination?"​

​

Or put another way:​

What clause is in the Recommendation, (clear and concisely) are you holding as​

incomplete or omitted that would foreclose on self-determination?​

There is no doubt in my itty-bitty mind that sometimes, the most fervent and passionate pro-Arab Palestinian advocate has constructed their own "political reality" and "illogical concepts" that in defiance of all other presentations, they insist on hold as the truth and only way it can be.

So tell us what is behind your reality on this issue? What is it that brings tension to your mental spring?

Most Respectfully,
R

Where do you get the idea that foreign colonial settlers have the right to self determination on top of the native population?

Where do you get the idea that rights are not inherent and inalienable but are to be negotiated?

Links?

 

[P F Tinmore]

For the first time in history; Hamas elected two female members of its political bureau in Gaza | Days Of Palestine

Days of Palestine - Gaza In a press release, Hamas Movement said that in continuation of the internal elections of the Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Hamas Shura Council has conducted a meeting to elect

daysofpalestine.ps

In a press release, Hamas Movement said that in continuation of the internal elections of the Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Hamas Shura Council has conducted a meeting to elect the member of the Hamas political bureau in Gaza.


They pointed out that for the first time in history, Hamas elected two female members of its political bureau in Gaza. The names of the new members are listed below:


1- Yahya Sinwar, Hamas’s chief in Gaza


2- Khalil al-Hayya, deputy chief of Hamas in Gaza

 

[Hollie]

The UNPC finished its coordination for those things essential for the National Council Council for the Jewish State to present a turn-key operation to the Provisional Government for Israel.

If those were the articles in resolution 181, Israel failed all of them.

"181 was never implemented".

Did you forget the above is one of your most oft cut and pasted slogans?

Indeed, but Israel mentioned it in its declaration of independence anyway to pretend to have some legitimacy.

Indeed. The ability for self-determination.

 

[Hollie]

For the first time in history; Hamas elected two female members of its political bureau in Gaza | Days Of Palestine

Days of Palestine - Gaza In a press release, Hamas Movement said that in continuation of the internal elections of the Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Hamas Shura Council has conducted a meeting to elect

daysofpalestine.ps

In a press release, Hamas Movement said that in continuation of the internal elections of the Hamas in the Gaza Strip, Hamas Shura Council has conducted a meeting to elect the member of the Hamas political bureau in Gaza.


They pointed out that for the first time in history, Hamas elected two female members of its political bureau in Gaza. The names of the new members are listed below:


1- Yahya Sinwar, Hamas’s chief in Gaza


2- Khalil al-Hayya, deputy chief of Hamas in Gaza

Indeed. Did Hamas announce the names of the minders they will report their movements to?

Indeed.

Hamas court says women need guardian's approval to travel

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — A Hamas-run Islamic court in the Gaza Strip has ruled that women require the permission of a male guardian to travel, further restricting movement in and out of the territory that has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt since the militant group seized power.

apnews.com

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Judgment on the National Council
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Once the British Abandon the Field, everyone knew there was going to be a Conflict. It did not matter how or who interpreted the RECOMMENDATION and the thoroughness of the Israelis.

​

From the Madrid Invitation in 1991 to the introduction of the Oslo process in​

1993 to the present, a negotiated settlement has remained the dominant leitmotiv​

of peacemaking between Israel and the Palestinian people.​

................................................................................Robert P. Barnidge, Jr.​

................................................................................Taken From: Self-Determination, Statehood, and the Law of Negotiation​

................................................................................© Robert P. Barnidge, Jr. 2016 • Published in the UK by Hart Publishing Ltd​

I saw that phrase and thought: So eloquent and yet so wrong (dominant dominant). But I read the book anyway.

The UNPC finished its coordination for those things essential for the National Council Council for the Jewish State to present a turn-key operation to the Provisional Government for Israel.

If those were the articles in resolution 181, Israel failed all of them.

(COMMENT)

You've been saying this for years. So let's dust this off and get down to the Nitty-Gritty:

Just what "REQUIREMENT(s)" did the National Council not complete that would be an​

"impediment" to the Israeli "Right to Self-Determination?"​

​

Or put another way:​

What clause is in the Recommendation, (clear and concisely) are you holding as​

incomplete or omitted that would foreclose on self-determination?​

There is no doubt in my itty-bitty mind that sometimes, the most fervent and passionate pro-Arab Palestinian advocate has constructed their own "political reality" and "illogical concepts" that in defiance of all other presentations, they insist on hold as the truth and only way it can be.

So tell us what is behind your reality on this issue? What is it that brings tension to your mental spring?

Most Respectfully,
R

Where do you get the idea that foreign colonial settlers have the right to self determination on top of the native population?

Where do you get the idea that rights are not inherent and inalienable but are to be negotiated?

Links?

Where do you get the idea that that Jews were not a part of the native population?

Link?


You were given links that identify Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee landowners in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon.

Where do you get the idea that rights are not inherent and inalienable but are to be negotiated?

Iink?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Judgment on the National Council
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Once the British Abandon the Field, everyone knew there was going to be a Conflict. It did not matter how or who interpreted the RECOMMENDATION and the thoroughness of the Israelis.

​

From the Madrid Invitation in 1991 to the introduction of the Oslo process in​

1993 to the present, a negotiated settlement has remained the dominant leitmotiv​

of peacemaking between Israel and the Palestinian people.​

................................................................................Robert P. Barnidge, Jr.​

................................................................................Taken From: Self-Determination, Statehood, and the Law of Negotiation​

................................................................................© Robert P. Barnidge, Jr. 2016 • Published in the UK by Hart Publishing Ltd​

I saw that phrase and thought: So eloquent and yet so wrong (dominant dominant). But I read the book anyway.

The UNPC finished its coordination for those things essential for the National Council Council for the Jewish State to present a turn-key operation to the Provisional Government for Israel.

If those were the articles in resolution 181, Israel failed all of them.

(COMMENT)

You've been saying this for years. So let's dust this off and get down to the Nitty-Gritty:

Just what "REQUIREMENT(s)" did the National Council not complete that would be an​

"impediment" to the Israeli "Right to Self-Determination?"​

​

Or put another way:​

What clause is in the Recommendation, (clear and concisely) are you holding as​

incomplete or omitted that would foreclose on self-determination?​

There is no doubt in my itty-bitty mind that sometimes, the most fervent and passionate pro-Arab Palestinian advocate has constructed their own "political reality" and "illogical concepts" that in defiance of all other presentations, they insist on hold as the truth and only way it can be.

So tell us what is behind your reality on this issue? What is it that brings tension to your mental spring?

Most Respectfully,
R

Where do you get the idea that foreign colonial settlers have the right to self determination on top of the native population?

Where do you get the idea that rights are not inherent and inalienable but are to be negotiated?

Links?

Where do you get the idea that that Jews were not a part of the native population?

Link?


You were given links that identify Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee landowners in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon.

Where do you get the idea that rights are not inherent and inalienable but are to be negotiated?

Iink?

Land ownership in a country does not remove that land from the country.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Judgment on the National Council
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Once the British Abandon the Field, everyone knew there was going to be a Conflict. It did not matter how or who interpreted the RECOMMENDATION and the thoroughness of the Israelis.

​

From the Madrid Invitation in 1991 to the introduction of the Oslo process in​

1993 to the present, a negotiated settlement has remained the dominant leitmotiv​

of peacemaking between Israel and the Palestinian people.​

................................................................................Robert P. Barnidge, Jr.​

................................................................................Taken From: Self-Determination, Statehood, and the Law of Negotiation​

................................................................................© Robert P. Barnidge, Jr. 2016 • Published in the UK by Hart Publishing Ltd​

I saw that phrase and thought: So eloquent and yet so wrong (dominant dominant). But I read the book anyway.

The UNPC finished its coordination for those things essential for the National Council Council for the Jewish State to present a turn-key operation to the Provisional Government for Israel.

If those were the articles in resolution 181, Israel failed all of them.

(COMMENT)

You've been saying this for years. So let's dust this off and get down to the Nitty-Gritty:

Just what "REQUIREMENT(s)" did the National Council not complete that would be an​

"impediment" to the Israeli "Right to Self-Determination?"​

​

Or put another way:​

What clause is in the Recommendation, (clear and concisely) are you holding as​

incomplete or omitted that would foreclose on self-determination?​

There is no doubt in my itty-bitty mind that sometimes, the most fervent and passionate pro-Arab Palestinian advocate has constructed their own "political reality" and "illogical concepts" that in defiance of all other presentations, they insist on hold as the truth and only way it can be.

So tell us what is behind your reality on this issue? What is it that brings tension to your mental spring?

Most Respectfully,
R

Where do you get the idea that foreign colonial settlers have the right to self determination on top of the native population?

Where do you get the idea that rights are not inherent and inalienable but are to be negotiated?

Links?

Where do you get the idea that that Jews were not a part of the native population?

Link?


You were given links that identify Jewish organizations purchased large tracts of land from absentee landowners in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon.

Where do you get the idea that rights are not inherent and inalienable but are to be negotiated?

Iink?

Land ownership in a country does not remove that land from the country.

Indeed. You're on that mythical "country of Pal'istan" amusement park thrill ride.

Indeed. When you're forced to invent elements in a desperate attempt to support a fallacious argument, you appear rather silly.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Judgment on the National Council
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Israeli Declaration of Independence is written for the Israeli People and (in the case of Israel) the territorial administrator. It is NOT written for the opposing Arab Palestinians. The Declaration does not make any pledge or impose any obligation relative the opposing Arab Palestinians.

Indeed, but Israel mentioned it in its declaration of independence anyway to pretend to have some legitimacy.

(COMMENT)

I do not speak for the State of Israel, but to the best of my knowledge:

◈ PART ONE B FOUR OF RESOLUTION:​

✦ Deals with the establishment of a Provisional Council of Government​

​

ANSWER: The National Council for the Jewish State established the Provisional Government​

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◈ PART ONE C OF RESOLUTION:​

✦ Holy Places, religious buildings and sites​

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ANSWER: "Since the reunification of Jerusalem in 1967, Israel has granted access to holy sites of all faiths and has restored and rebuilt Christian, Jewish and Muslim holy sites."​

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✦ Religious and Minority Rights​

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ANSWER: Israeli holds an accommodating variant of the old Ottoman millet system; as modified by High Court rulings. This form was adopted to maintain the Israeli-Jewish identity while retaining independence among the country’s non-Jewish inhabitants.​

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✦ Citizenship, international conventions and financial obligations​

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ANSWER (Citizenship): Israeli operates under the 1952 Citizenship Act (as amended).​

ANSWER (Conventions): Israel conforms to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR)​

ANSWER (Financial Obligations): Israel has assumed all its financial obligations. No Court Ruled obligation has gone unanswered. Israel is the Highest Rated nation (Ranking 19th) of any country in the African, Middle East Region, the Gulf States, and Indian Ocean in terms of Human Development.​

​

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◈ PART ONE D OF RESOLUTION:​

✦ Deals with the establishment of the Provisional Councils of Government​

​

ANSWER: Israel has the most stable and dynamic government for any country in the Middle East.​

The totality of the Resolution does not apply to the Arab Palestinians, as they rejected participation in January 1948. No boundaries in the Resolution are applicable, as the Arab Palestinians did not have a real government until 2012. And even that is questionable.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Female terrorist murderer joins teachers, journalists, and politicians as Palestinian role model on International Women’s Day

Nan Jacques Zilberdik | Mar 15, 2021



I wonder if she got the email.

Hamas court says women need guardian's approval to travel

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — A Hamas-run Islamic court in the Gaza Strip has ruled that women require the permission of a male guardian to travel, further restricting movement in and out of the territory that has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt since the militant group seized power.

apnews.com

 

[P F Tinmore]

Israel cannot bomb its way to legitimacy. ~ Ali Abunimah

 

[Mindful]

Palestinian Arab Serenades IDF Soldier

At the Qalandiya checkpoint crossing in Jerusalem, a palestinian Arab laborer sings a love song in Hebrew to an IDF soldier

www.israellycool.com