Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Hollie]

More honesty than I expected from Al Jazeera. The article offers a sobering evaluation of the always-distant elections. One of the points made is that it is unlikely there would be perceivable change in the structure of Pal society as any new conglomeration of new ruling thugs and misfits would simply be replacements for the existing thugs and misfits.

A new approach to elections in Palestine

When the legislative elections do take place, Palestinians should vote to reject the status quo.

www.aljazeera.com

But a closer look at what was going on in the electoral race betrays a different reality. The election was more likely to produce a “shamocracy” that would maintain the deep-rooted structures of oppression, tyranny and fragmentation.

This is because the two political forces that have dominated the Palestinian political scene over the past 15 years and are vying for power again, have inflicted severe damage on the Palestinian national movement, depleted the national liberation project, and exacerbated vertical and horizontal fragmentation within the Palestinian society.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

She’s been rather quiet since 2018.

Too old to be useful? She was much more entertaining as Shirley Temper.

 

[Hollie]

The Islamic terrorists expect a flare up.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Islamic terrorists expect a flare up.

Time for Israel to whine about a few rockets again.

 

[Hollie]

The Islamic terrorists expect a flare up.

Time for Israel to whine about a few rockets again.

What's a few rockets after the last few rockets?

All seriousness aside, time for the islamic terrorists to whine about a few airstrikes in retaliation.

If, as you claim, the ''country of Pal'istan'' was invented by the Treaty of Lausanne, that would suggest that the islamic terrorists firing rockets from their islamic terrorist ''state'' are committing an act of war against Israel with just a few rockets. Aren't you excited about the prospect for a few more martyrs? Get your Pom Poms ready.

Can you guess what would prevent the need for an Israeli retaliation?

It's a softball. Take a swing.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: A "few" Rockets
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is one of the most unbelievable and unrealistic statements I have seen you make.

The Islamic terrorists expect a flare up.

Time for Israel to whine about a few rockets again.

(COMMENT)

If you have ever been under SAF or by al-Qassam 115mm Rockets or, you have some room to make a comment about the insignificance of such. But I've been to RVN, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen → I know better... And it sounds like to me, you don't no shit about being under hostile fire.

There is no such thing as being under legal (Rule 11) optional Indiscriminate attacks which puts civilians at risk. It is just that simple.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: A "few" Rockets
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is one of the most unbelievable and unrealistic statements I have seen you make.

The Islamic terrorists expect a flare up.

Time for Israel to whine about a few rockets again.

(COMMENT)

If you have ever been under SAF or by al-Qassam 115mm Rockets or, you have some room to make a comment about the insignificance of such. But I've been to RVN, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen → I know better... And it sounds like to me, you don't no shit about being under hostile fire.

There is no such thing as being under legal (Rule 11) optional Indiscriminate attacks which puts civilians at risk. It is just that simple.

Most Respectfully,
R

The siege is an act of war.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Islamic terrorists expect a flare up.

Time for Israel to whine about a few rockets again.

What's a few rockets after the last few rockets?

All seriousness aside, time for the islamic terrorists to whine about a few airstrikes in retaliation.

If, as you claim, the ''country of Pal'istan'' was invented by the Treaty of Lausanne, that would suggest that the islamic terrorists firing rockets from their islamic terrorist ''state'' are committing an act of war against Israel with just a few rockets. Aren't you excited about the prospect for a few more martyrs? Get your Pom Poms ready.

Can you guess what would prevent the need for an Israeli retaliation?

It's a softball. Take a swing.

Israel can stop its war whenever it wants.

 

[Hollie]

The Islamic terrorists expect a flare up.

Time for Israel to whine about a few rockets again.

What's a few rockets after the last few rockets?

All seriousness aside, time for the islamic terrorists to whine about a few airstrikes in retaliation.

If, as you claim, the ''country of Pal'istan'' was invented by the Treaty of Lausanne, that would suggest that the islamic terrorists firing rockets from their islamic terrorist ''state'' are committing an act of war against Israel with just a few rockets. Aren't you excited about the prospect for a few more martyrs? Get your Pom Poms ready.

Can you guess what would prevent the need for an Israeli retaliation?

It's a softball. Take a swing.

Israel can stop its war whenever it wants.

Another of your silly cut and paste slogans.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: A "few" Rockets
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is one of the most unbelievable and unrealistic statements I have seen you make.

The Islamic terrorists expect a flare up.

Time for Israel to whine about a few rockets again.

(COMMENT)

If you have ever been under SAF or by al-Qassam 115mm Rockets or, you have some room to make a comment about the insignificance of such. But I've been to RVN, Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen → I know better... And it sounds like to me, you don't no shit about being under hostile fire.

There is no such thing as being under legal (Rule 11) optional Indiscriminate attacks which puts civilians at risk. It is just that simple.

Most Respectfully,
R

The siege is an act of war.

There is no siege.

 

[Hollie]

A rather scathing condemnation of the Pally enclaves, their success at turning failure into bigger failures.... continuing failures and something of a statement about Arab intransigence.

There's something retrograde about believing the rantings of a 7th century Arab warlord still provide an entitlement to war and conquest.

But as we see, politics and the inertia of time are working against Pally perceptions of entitlement.

Disengagement at the ballot box in Palestine

Three decades after Oslo, Palestinians today find themselves back to square one

www.google.com

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Palestinian Literary License to Exaggerate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There is no "siege." That is just propaganda flare to capture the emotion of the (target audience) readers.

The siege is an act of war.

(JUST A FEW CONCEPTS)

All sovereignties have the right to control their borders as they deem necessary. (National Security, Customs and Immigration being the three biggest purposes.)

The issue of Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW) in All Its Aspects since the mid-1990's has become ever a reason to interdict such trade.

​

Welcomes efforts made by Member States, regional and subregional organizations in addressing the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, and encourages the establishment or strengthening, where appropriate, of subregional and regional cooperation, coordination and information sharing mechanisms, in particular, transborder customs cooperation and networks for information-sharing, with a view to preventing, combating, and eradicating illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons;​

SOURCE: S/RES/2117 (2013)​

​

1997International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings
Creates a regime of universal jurisdiction over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.

Each State Party shall adopt such measures as may be necessary, including, where appropriate, domestic legislation, to ensure that criminal acts within the scope of this Convention, in particular where they are intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public or in a group of persons or particular persons, are under no circumstances justifiable by considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other similar nature and are punished by penalties consistent with their grave nature.​

​

We resolve to undertake the following measures to prevent and combat terrorism, in particular by denying terrorists access to the means to carry out their attacks, to their targets and to the desired impact of their attacks → See Annex to A/RES/60/288. The United Nations Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy:

​

To strengthen coordination and cooperation among States in combating crimes that might be connected with terrorism, including drug trafficking in all its aspects, illicit arms trade, in particular of small arms and light weapons, including man-portable air defence systems, money-laundering and smuggling of nuclear, chemical, biological, radiological and other potentially deadly materials;​

(COMMENT)

Over and above concepts and strategies mentioned, supra, Israel has a Right to protect its citizens from the actions of external rouge populations that threaten the public order and safety its citizens and national interests.

Since the unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip (2005), thousands and thousands of rockets and mortars have been fired into Israel from the terrorist government and its associated satellite entities. All mariners were advised that as of 03 January 2009, 1700 UTC, Gaza maritime area was closed to all maritime traffic and is under blockade imposed by Israeli Navy until further notice. This action was not a punitive measure → but rather → a preventative measure necessary to be implemented as an outcome for the abuses of the freedom (kidnapping, Murder, Indiscriminate fire, routine targeting of civilians, etc) the Arab Palestinians acquired as a result of the unilateral withdrawal.

The Arab Palestinians have demonstrated that they pose a danger and repeatedly threatened to Israeli life style and culture over the last seven decades. The Arab Higher Committee reaffirmed that the Arabs of Palestine could not recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom.

• The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
• The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
• The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Palestinian Literary License to Exaggerate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There is no "siege." That is just propaganda flare to capture the emotion of the (target audience) readers.

The siege is an act of war.

(JUST A FEW CONCEPTS)

All sovereignties have the right to control their borders as they deem necessary. (National Security, Customs and Immigration being the three biggest purposes.)

The issue of Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW) in All Its Aspects since the mid-1990's has become ever a reason to interdict such trade.

​

Welcomes efforts made by Member States, regional and subregional organizations in addressing the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, and encourages the establishment or strengthening, where appropriate, of subregional and regional cooperation, coordination and information sharing mechanisms, in particular, transborder customs cooperation and networks for information-sharing, with a view to preventing, combating, and eradicating illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons;​

SOURCE: S/RES/2117 (2013)​

​

1997International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings
Creates a regime of universal jurisdiction over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.

Each State Party shall adopt such measures as may be necessary, including, where appropriate, domestic legislation, to ensure that criminal acts within the scope of this Convention, in particular where they are intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public or in a group of persons or particular persons, are under no circumstances justifiable by considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other similar nature and are punished by penalties consistent with their grave nature.​

​

We resolve to undertake the following measures to prevent and combat terrorism, in particular by denying terrorists access to the means to carry out their attacks, to their targets and to the desired impact of their attacks → See Annex to A/RES/60/288. The United Nations Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy:

​

To strengthen coordination and cooperation among States in combating crimes that might be connected with terrorism, including drug trafficking in all its aspects, illicit arms trade, in particular of small arms and light weapons, including man-portable air defence systems, money-laundering and smuggling of nuclear, chemical, biological, radiological and other potentially deadly materials;​

(COMMENT)

Over and above concepts and strategies mentioned, supra, Israel has a Right to protect its citizens from the actions of external rouge populations that threaten the public order and safety its citizens and national interests.

Since the unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip (2005), thousands and thousands of rockets and mortars have been fired into Israel from the terrorist government and its associated satellite entities. All mariners were advised that as of 03 January 2009, 1700 UTC, Gaza maritime area was closed to all maritime traffic and is under blockade imposed by Israeli Navy until further notice. This action was not a punitive measure → but rather → a preventative measure necessary to be implemented as an outcome for the abuses of the freedom (kidnapping, Murder, Indiscriminate fire, routine targeting of civilians, etc) the Arab Palestinians acquired as a result of the unilateral withdrawal.

The Arab Palestinians have demonstrated that they pose a danger and repeatedly threatened to Israeli life style and culture over the last seven decades. The Arab Higher Committee reaffirmed that the Arabs of Palestine could not recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom.

• The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
• The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
• The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

Holy irrelevance, Batman.

All of that crapola based on false premise.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: Palestinian Literary License to Exaggerate
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: There is no "siege." That is just propaganda flare to capture the emotion of the (target audience) readers.

The siege is an act of war.

(JUST A FEW CONCEPTS)

All sovereignties have the right to control their borders as they deem necessary. (National Security, Customs and Immigration being the three biggest purposes.)

The issue of Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW) in All Its Aspects since the mid-1990's has become ever a reason to interdict such trade.

​

Welcomes efforts made by Member States, regional and subregional organizations in addressing the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, and encourages the establishment or strengthening, where appropriate, of subregional and regional cooperation, coordination and information sharing mechanisms, in particular, transborder customs cooperation and networks for information-sharing, with a view to preventing, combating, and eradicating illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons;​

SOURCE: S/RES/2117 (2013)​

​

1997International Convention for the Suppression of Terrorist Bombings
Creates a regime of universal jurisdiction over the unlawful and intentional use of explosives and other lethal devices in, into, or against various defined public places with intent to kill or cause serious bodily injury, or with intent to cause extensive destruction of the public place.

Each State Party shall adopt such measures as may be necessary, including, where appropriate, domestic legislation, to ensure that criminal acts within the scope of this Convention, in particular where they are intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public or in a group of persons or particular persons, are under no circumstances justifiable by considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other similar nature and are punished by penalties consistent with their grave nature.​

​

We resolve to undertake the following measures to prevent and combat terrorism, in particular by denying terrorists access to the means to carry out their attacks, to their targets and to the desired impact of their attacks → See Annex to A/RES/60/288. The United Nations Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy:

​

To strengthen coordination and cooperation among States in combating crimes that might be connected with terrorism, including drug trafficking in all its aspects, illicit arms trade, in particular of small arms and light weapons, including man-portable air defence systems, money-laundering and smuggling of nuclear, chemical, biological, radiological and other potentially deadly materials;​

(COMMENT)

Over and above concepts and strategies mentioned, supra, Israel has a Right to protect its citizens from the actions of external rouge populations that threaten the public order and safety its citizens and national interests.

Since the unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip (2005), thousands and thousands of rockets and mortars have been fired into Israel from the terrorist government and its associated satellite entities. All mariners were advised that as of 03 January 2009, 1700 UTC, Gaza maritime area was closed to all maritime traffic and is under blockade imposed by Israeli Navy until further notice. This action was not a punitive measure → but rather → a preventative measure necessary to be implemented as an outcome for the abuses of the freedom (kidnapping, Murder, Indiscriminate fire, routine targeting of civilians, etc) the Arab Palestinians acquired as a result of the unilateral withdrawal.

The Arab Palestinians have demonstrated that they pose a danger and repeatedly threatened to Israeli life style and culture over the last seven decades. The Arab Higher Committee reaffirmed that the Arabs of Palestine could not recognize the Balfour Declaration, the Mandate of Palestine or any situation arising or derived therefrom.

• The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
• The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
• The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.

Most Respectfully,
R

Holy irrelevance, Batman.

All of that crapola based on false premise.

It's hilarious to watch you reel in panic mode.

 

[Hollie]

In some parts of the world, evidence tampering, destruction of evidence, aiding & abetting a crime, etc., are crimes. In the alternate reality of a particular Islamic terrorist enclave, the dictator takes the lead in committing crimes.

Palestinian Media Watch - A window to Palestinian society | PMW

Palestinian Media Watch is a research institute that studies Palestinian society from a broad range of perspectives by monitoring and analyzing the Palestinian Authority through its media and schoolbooks. PMW’s major focus is on the messages that the Palestinian leaders send to the population.

www.palwatch.org

Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah defends terror attack and calls to erase evidence in security cameras
Itamar Marcus | May 3, 2021
Fatah posted on its Facebook page (of Nablus branch) today a call to Palestinians in the area of the escape route taken by a terrorist who shot and critically injured two Israelis yesterday, to delete the video footage on their security cameras that might have evidence that will enable Israel to catch the terrorist:

“Our lauded people, honored members of our people, we call on you to get rid of the contents that were stored in the [security] cameras of your homes or your businesses today, and not to transfer any media content among yourselves."
[Facebook page of the Fatah Movement – Nablus Branch, May 2, 2021]

In a second post on Facebook by the Fatah Commission of Information and Culture, clearly in response although not specifically mentioning yesterday’s terror attack, expressed its support for terror against Israelis:

“The Fatah Movement’s Nablus branch emphasized that resistance is a natural right of the Palestinian people against the Zionist arrogance.”
[Facebook page of the Fatah Movement – Nablus Branch, May 2, 2021]

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: The challenge
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: One can only imagine what "premise" you might be referring.

Holy irrelevance, Batman.
All of that crapola based on false premise.

(COMMENT)

You whine about the rights of the criminal elements that make-up the greater body of Arab Palestinians. I would say that they forfeited those rights many times over.

What is the "premise?" Don't be vague, spit it out...

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: The challenge
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: One can only imagine what "premise" you might be referring.

Holy irrelevance, Batman.
All of that crapola based on false premise.

(COMMENT)

You whine about the rights of the criminal elements that make-up the greater body of Arab Palestinians. I would say that they forfeited those rights many times over.

What is the "premise?" Don't be vague, spit it out...

Most Respectfully,
R

You assume that the Palestinians are the aggressors.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Islamic terrorists expect a flare up.

Time for Israel to whine about a few rockets again.

What's a few rockets after the last few rockets?

All seriousness aside, time for the islamic terrorists to whine about a few airstrikes in retaliation.

If, as you claim, the ''country of Pal'istan'' was invented by the Treaty of Lausanne, that would suggest that the islamic terrorists firing rockets from their islamic terrorist ''state'' are committing an act of war against Israel with just a few rockets. Aren't you excited about the prospect for a few more martyrs? Get your Pom Poms ready.

Can you guess what would prevent the need for an Israeli retaliation?

It's a softball. Take a swing.

All seriousness aside, time for the islamic terrorists to whine about a few airstrikes in retaliation.

Yep, time for Israel to blow up some more civilians.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
SUBTOPIC: The challenge
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: One can only imagine what "premise" you might be referring.

Holy irrelevance, Batman.
All of that crapola based on false premise.

(COMMENT)

You whine about the rights of the criminal elements that make-up the greater body of Arab Palestinians. I would say that they forfeited those rights many times over.

What is the "premise?" Don't be vague, spit it out...

Most Respectfully,
R

You assume that the Palestinians are the aggressors.

No assumption required.

36 rockets fired at Israel overnight; IDF hits Gaza terror targets in response

Rocket salvos fired after Hamas calls for attacks on Israel over Jerusalem unrest; barrages, reported in real-time by terror group, mark worst assault from Strip in many months

www.timesofisrael.com