Who has more flaws, Trump or Biden (dems keep bashing Trump w/o looking at Biden)

[2aguy]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

What failure....? You guys lie with such ease it is scary....

 

[2aguy]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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First of all it's idiotic to predict who will win an election almost six months away, so no serious person would bet a dollar just yet. A sudden news event could switch everything around in three days yet alone what's going to happen months away.

If things stay on course, the virus will decrease, jobs are already coming back, the market is recovering, and Trump will win hands down. Only TDS people will blame him for a worldwide virus. But common sense people understand it was pretty much unstoppable, and will decide who they vote for by how Trump is handling this situation. TDS people were never going to vote for him anyway, so what they say is irrelevant.

During the first Great Depression, FDRs socialist policies made the a regular Depression into the Great Depression.......his tax increases and attacks on business with excessive regulations and controls made it impossible for the country to get clear.......Trump is no FDR.....he actually wants the country to recover so his policies won't get in the way....and it is for that reason that the democrats are so afraid....6 months with Trump running the government means we have a good chance to start the recovery.....that is why they are doing everything they can to keep the states they control locked down....

 

[kyzr]

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

I think Trump has demonstrated a propensity to base decisions on wishful thinking and I think it’s had disastrous consequences.

Like what? Give me a few examples. I can show that his instinct to move US troop out of the way of the Turkish invasion of Syria worked well, even after his generals warned of a "Kurd Slaughter". Trump gave the Kurds oil fields to fund their defense.

Trump's crushing of ISIS when Obama let them grow and grow is another example of Trump's instincts.

The southern border wall is another.

Stopping flights from China is another, when Biden and Pelosi called him xenophobic & racist.

I could go on and on, but your "whine" about Trump is baseless.

 

[kyzr]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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First of all it's idiotic to predict who will win an election almost six months away, so no serious person would bet a dollar just yet. A sudden news event could switch everything around in three days yet alone what's going to happen months away.

If things stay on course, the virus will decrease, jobs are already coming back, the market is recovering, and Trump will win hands down. Only TDS people will blame him for a worldwide virus. But common sense people understand it was pretty much unstoppable, and will decide who they vote for by how Trump is handling this situation. TDS people were never going to vote for him anyway, so what they say is irrelevant.

OK, I see you're not a big gambler. In any horse race you know the odds, but stuff happens.
Trump v Biden is interesting, some people need to bet to stay interested in contests, sports for example, or online gambling.
I'm not telling people to bet, just showing them the current betting odds.

 

[kyzr]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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That’s a tough one.

Thank you! That's the point I was trying to make with the thread.
There is no "no brainer" choice, they both have issues.

 

[colfax_m]

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

I think Trump has demonstrated a propensity to base decisions on wishful thinking and I think it’s had disastrous consequences.

Like what? Give me a few examples. I can show that his instinct to move US troop out of the way of the Turkish invasion of Syria worked well, even after his generals warned of a "Kurd Slaughter". Trump gave the Kurds oil fields to fund their defense.

Trump's crushing of ISIS when Obama let them grow and grow is another example of Trump's instincts.

The southern border wall is another.

Stopping flights from China is another, when Biden and Pelosi called him xenophobic & racist.

I could go on and on, but your "whine" about Trump is baseless.

“Worked well” in Syria is absurd. What good did we accomplish? Scores of Kurdish were killed by Turkey, in their home country, and thousands displaced from their homes. We didn’t give them any oil fields they didn’t already control.

Obama put together a coalition to fight ISIS that had already turned the tide. The control of ISIS was shrinking and ISIS was in retreat on all fronts when Trump took over. All he had to do was continue the same strategy.

What border wall?

He didn’t stop flights from China.

He didn’t properly screen travelers. He didn’t take the virus seriously. He didn’t ramp up equipment production. He didn’t ramp up testing. He didn’t stop travel to Europe. He was too afraid to take action for fear of souring the economy and pissing off China which would potentially have impeded his real priority which was a trade deal.

 

[kyzr]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Biden is a "known-known", he's too old and too senile to be president.
Biden hasn't been right about anything in 30-years, just ask Gates.
I can look at Trump honestly, but you can't look at Biden honestly.
You are what's called a "shill"
(an accomplice of a swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. )

Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad.

So convince me that Biden would be better. You have only whined about Trump. Biden could be much worse, such as in China's pocket, and pocketing cash for Hunter all over the world.

 

[2aguy]

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

I think Trump has demonstrated a propensity to base decisions on wishful thinking and I think it’s had disastrous consequences.

Like what? Give me a few examples. I can show that his instinct to move US troop out of the way of the Turkish invasion of Syria worked well, even after his generals warned of a "Kurd Slaughter". Trump gave the Kurds oil fields to fund their defense.

Trump's crushing of ISIS when Obama let them grow and grow is another example of Trump's instincts.

The southern border wall is another.

Stopping flights from China is another, when Biden and Pelosi called him xenophobic & racist.

I could go on and on, but your "whine" about Trump is baseless.

“Worked well” in Syria is absurd. What good did we accomplish? Scores of Kurdish were killed by Turkey, in their home country, and thousands displaced from their homes. We didn’t give them any oil fields they didn’t already control.

Obama put together a coalition to fight ISIS that had already turned the tide. The control of ISIS was shrinking and ISIS was in retreat on all fronts when Trump took over. All he had to do was continue the same strategy.

What border wall?

He didn’t stop flights from China.

He didn’t properly screen travelers. He didn’t take the virus seriously. He didn’t ramp up equipment production. He didn’t ramp up testing. He didn’t stop travel to Europe. He was too afraid to take action for fear of souring the economy and pissing off China which would potentially have impeded his real priority which was a trade deal.

Are you really this stupid....? Wait, you don't need to answer that, your post answered for you...

isis was growing under obama who called them the JV team....remember, you idiot...they were rolled back and all the land they controlled taken back under Trump, you doofus.......

Trump has been building that wall, but the democrat press has been busy lying about the Chinese Flu and the impeachment....

And Trump ended travel to China when you shitstains called him a racist and a xenophobe, he moved army and navy hospitals to cover New York and California and got PPE and Ventilators assembled in record time, you doofus.....so much so that the military hospitals closed down, almost completely unused, and there were so many ventilators available New York didn't need them....you doofus.....

 

[2aguy]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Biden is a "known-known", he's too old and too senile to be president.
Biden hasn't been right about anything in 30-years, just ask Gates.
I can look at Trump honestly, but you can't look at Biden honestly.
You are what's called a "shill"
(an accomplice of a swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. )

Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad.

So convince me that Biden would be better. You have only whined about Trump. Biden could be much worse, such as in China's pocket, and pocketing cash for Hunter all over the world.

China, Ukraine, Central and South American countries all control biden.......everywhere he went as Vice President, his family followed sucking up money from those governments....and you know they kept detailed records of the biden family activity......

 

[my2¢]

You cannot support your vague answer. What a typical libtard!

In reply to your hypocritical rebuttal I twice offered to. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[kyzr]

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

I think Trump has demonstrated a propensity to base decisions on wishful thinking and I think it’s had disastrous consequences.

Like what? Give me a few examples. I can show that his instinct to move US troop out of the way of the Turkish invasion of Syria worked well, even after his generals warned of a "Kurd Slaughter". Trump gave the Kurds oil fields to fund their defense.

Trump's crushing of ISIS when Obama let them grow and grow is another example of Trump's instincts.

The southern border wall is another.

Stopping flights from China is another, when Biden and Pelosi called him xenophobic & racist.

I could go on and on, but your "whine" about Trump is baseless.

“Worked well” in Syria is absurd. What good did we accomplish? Scores of Kurdish were killed by Turkey, in their home country, and thousands displaced from their homes. We didn’t give them any oil fields they didn’t already control.

Obama put together a coalition to fight ISIS that had already turned the tide. The control of ISIS was shrinking and ISIS was in retreat on all fronts when Trump took over. All he had to do was continue the same strategy.

What border wall?

He didn’t stop flights from China.

He didn’t properly screen travelers. He didn’t take the virus seriously. He didn’t ramp up equipment production. He didn’t ramp up testing. He didn’t stop travel to Europe. He was too afraid to take action for fear of souring the economy and pissing off China which would potentially have impeded his real priority which was a trade deal.

1. Worked well in Syria. Zero US deaths, ISIS crushed. QED.
2. When Trump took over ISIS was at the height of their power, Obama didn't do anything to stop ISIS, LIAR:

Maximum extent of ISIL's territorial control in Syria and Iraq in late 2015. THANK YOU OBAMA!!

3. Turkey created a buffer from the Kurds who were a nuisance for centuries to the Turks. Let the Kurds go to their home bases.

4. LOL, the Kurds control oil fields, like my kid controls a candy bar.

If U.S. Takes Syrian Oil, It May Violate International Laws Against Pillage

President Trump is leaving some U.S. troops in Syria, with the goal of controlling Syria's oil fields. But legal experts say exploiting the oil could amount to pillaging — a war crime.

www.npr.org

5. Show me Obama's coalition against ISIS and how effective they were. I call bullshit. Trump defeated ISIS, not Obama.

6. What border wall?
Duh, this one, the one that's working...

If U.S. Takes Syrian Oil, It May Violate International Laws Against Pillage

President Trump is leaving some U.S. troops in Syria, with the goal of controlling Syria's oil fields. But legal experts say exploiting the oil could amount to pillaging — a war crime.

www.npr.org

That red line means the wall is worknig

7. After calling Trump's travel ban xenophobic & racist, Biden now supports it.....that travel ban from China. LIAR

Biden campaign says he backs Trump's China travel ban | CNN Politics

Joe Biden's campaign said Friday the former vice president supports President Donald Trump's January 31 decision to ban foreign nationals who had been in China within the previous 14 days from entering the United States.

www.cnn.com

Trump bans foreign nationals who have traveled to China from entering the US

Any US citizen who has traveled in China will undergo health screening.

www.theverge.com

If you are too lazy to support your statements with credible links don't expect me to keep refuting your lies, because that's all they are. So we can resort to name calling and save a lot of typing.

 

[Brain357]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Biden is a "known-known", he's too old and too senile to be president.
Biden hasn't been right about anything in 30-years, just ask Gates.
I can look at Trump honestly, but you can't look at Biden honestly.
You are what's called a "shill"
(an accomplice of a swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. )

Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad.

Subjective...”bad”....LOL

You love huge deficits? Or do you just really love this shut down? Only trolls like the current state of the country.

Already explained this to you dozens of times. Cannot cure your dementia. Only morons forget discussions they had recently.

Yes you are a troll. You love failed policy from your guy.

I explained otherwise. Sucks you cannot remember that. Don’t take it out on me that you have dementia. Also proved you were wrong but you forgot that too.

No you are certainly a troll. You only make claims that you can’t back up. You are a waste of time here, go away.

LMAO. Your dementia is amusing. Trump2020.

Your babbling is a waste of time . Nothing is going well for the country. Do you have anything resembling a fact to counter?

Gave you many but you forgot them all. Not wasting my time teaching the unreachable. You are either old with dementia or stupid. Which is it?

It's not that I have forgotten, it's just they are weak and easily dismissed. Why do you dodge again?

 

[Brain357]

I selected Trump because of his lack of leadership skills which have caused a weakening of U.S. influence around the world.​

Weakening? In what way? Let us have specifics please, not opinions.

​

Trump policy is only a failure to those with TDS.​

After you.

You made the claim, Back it up, dumbass!

I know enough not to suffer fools. I'll make the effort once you've done the same and provide specifics backing your opinion that one has to be suffering TDS if their lips aren't firmly attached to Trump's big fat ass. You set the rules, it's time for you to either put up or shut up. Meanwhile keep puckering up.

You cannot support your vague answer. What a typical libtard!

That sounds like you. I prove you wrong every time....

If you honestly believe you are proving me wrong, you need to seek professional mental health counseling.

You pretended trump didn't drastically increase deficits. You have been wrong over and over....

 

[kyzr]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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I don't care about odds because the betting houses fix the odds to lay off risk, so it doesn't tell you anything besides where the bettors money is. I don't really care about polls at this point either, beyond that with a trend you … see a trend. But they don't even claim to be predicting what the trend will be in a month, let alone 4-5 mos from now. And I don't really see how anyone can say they like A without referencing B.

But for the first time 92 I'll definitely be voting dem. I didn't find Obama that objectionable, but I thought both McCain and Mitt saw the world through more realistic lenses, and I think if Obama had really bent on healthcare, he could have gotten a much less ambitious, but longer lasting HC fix.

I'll vote Biden solely because his campaign is at the base focused on trying to return discourse, and esp voting in the senate, to achieving some consensus that is arrived at by focusing less on ideology to pragmatically trying to accomplish something about some problem. I'm not sure that's possible with McConnell and Graham, who have changed over the past 10 and esp 3 years. But I think we had a much better govt during the Reagan and HW years and into the beginning of W's term. Until Iraq.

Maybe you haven't seen the democrat's policy "wish list"??
If/when the dems take control of government these are the policies that they will push for:
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states
3. Free college
4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare
5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law
6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash
7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries
8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas
9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US
13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close
17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies
19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives
21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. LGBTQ rights, trannys in military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything

 

[Brain357]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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As humans they are both flawed....but for joe biden, and his family, they used his office to make money from foreign governments....which is far worse than anything Trump has done......not only did he exploit his office, but biden is now under the control of numerous countries who likely have detailed records of the illegal deals his family made..........

China owns creepy joe biden........

Here Are the Ways Trump Cashes In on Being President

Since arriving in Washington, Donald Trump has used the White House as a place to profit. Here's how Trump monetizes the presidency on a daily basis.

www.cheatsheet.com

 

[Brain357]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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I don't care about odds because the betting houses fix the odds to lay off risk, so it doesn't tell you anything besides where the bettors money is. I don't really care about polls at this point either, beyond that with a trend you … see a trend. But they don't even claim to be predicting what the trend will be in a month, let alone 4-5 mos from now. And I don't really see how anyone can say they like A without referencing B.

But for the first time 92 I'll definitely be voting dem. I didn't find Obama that objectionable, but I thought both McCain and Mitt saw the world through more realistic lenses, and I think if Obama had really bent on healthcare, he could have gotten a much less ambitious, but longer lasting HC fix.

I'll vote Biden solely because his campaign is at the base focused on trying to return discourse, and esp voting in the senate, to achieving some consensus that is arrived at by focusing less on ideology to pragmatically trying to accomplish something about some problem. I'm not sure that's possible with McConnell and Graham, who have changed over the past 10 and esp 3 years. But I think we had a much better govt during the Reagan and HW years and into the beginning of W's term. Until Iraq.

Maybe you haven't seen the democrat's policy "wish list"??
If/when the dems take control of government these are the policies that they will push for:
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states
3. Free college
4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare
5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law
6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash
7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries
8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas
9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US
13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close
17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies
19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives
21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. LGBTQ rights, trannys in military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything

You have some imagination.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Biden is a "known-known", he's too old and too senile to be president.
Biden hasn't been right about anything in 30-years, just ask Gates.
I can look at Trump honestly, but you can't look at Biden honestly.
You are what's called a "shill"
(an accomplice of a swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. )

Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad.

Subjective...”bad”....LOL

You love huge deficits? Or do you just really love this shut down? Only trolls like the current state of the country.

Already explained this to you dozens of times. Cannot cure your dementia. Only morons forget discussions they had recently.

Yes you are a troll. You love failed policy from your guy.

I explained otherwise. Sucks you cannot remember that. Don’t take it out on me that you have dementia. Also proved you were wrong but you forgot that too.

No you are certainly a troll. You only make claims that you can’t back up. You are a waste of time here, go away.

LMAO. Your dementia is amusing. Trump2020.

Your babbling is a waste of time . Nothing is going well for the country. Do you have anything resembling a fact to counter?

Gave you many but you forgot them all. Not wasting my time teaching the unreachable. You are either old with dementia or stupid. Which is it?

It's not that I have forgotten, it's just they are weak and easily dismissed. Why do you dodge again?

Because they were neither weak nor easily dismissed. If you remember. Then list one of 10 I provided.

 

[Oldestyle]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Joe Biden is an "unknown"? Did you really just claim that? He's been the same idiot since Richard Nixon was in office! The guy that kept running for President and kept having to quit because he did or said something so colossally stupid his campaign implodes!

 

[bendog]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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www.oddsshark.com

I don't care about odds because the betting houses fix the odds to lay off risk, so it doesn't tell you anything besides where the bettors money is. I don't really care about polls at this point either, beyond that with a trend you … see a trend. But they don't even claim to be predicting what the trend will be in a month, let alone 4-5 mos from now. And I don't really see how anyone can say they like A without referencing B.

But for the first time 92 I'll definitely be voting dem. I didn't find Obama that objectionable, but I thought both McCain and Mitt saw the world through more realistic lenses, and I think if Obama had really bent on healthcare, he could have gotten a much less ambitious, but longer lasting HC fix.

I'll vote Biden solely because his campaign is at the base focused on trying to return discourse, and esp voting in the senate, to achieving some consensus that is arrived at by focusing less on ideology to pragmatically trying to accomplish something about some problem. I'm not sure that's possible with McConnell and Graham, who have changed over the past 10 and esp 3 years. But I think we had a much better govt during the Reagan and HW years and into the beginning of W's term. Until Iraq.

Maybe you haven't seen the democrat's policy "wish list"??
If/when the dems take control of government these are the policies that they will push for:
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states
3. Free college
4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare
5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law
6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash
7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries
8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas
9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US
13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close
17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies
19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives
21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. LGBTQ rights, trannys in military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything

And shall we discuss Rump's policies too. I answered your OP. I dont' really give a fuck about your concerns about "the other guy" which you said weren't the issue. Cough much?

 

[kyzr]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
View attachment 339006

2024 Presidential Election Odds & Betting | Odds Shark

Here are the 2024 Presidential election odds. Find out the odds for who will be the U.S. President in the 2024 election. Along with the odds we have politics betting news here.

www.oddsshark.com

I don't care about odds because the betting houses fix the odds to lay off risk, so it doesn't tell you anything besides where the bettors money is. I don't really care about polls at this point either, beyond that with a trend you … see a trend. But they don't even claim to be predicting what the trend will be in a month, let alone 4-5 mos from now. And I don't really see how anyone can say they like A without referencing B.

But for the first time 92 I'll definitely be voting dem. I didn't find Obama that objectionable, but I thought both McCain and Mitt saw the world through more realistic lenses, and I think if Obama had really bent on healthcare, he could have gotten a much less ambitious, but longer lasting HC fix.

I'll vote Biden solely because his campaign is at the base focused on trying to return discourse, and esp voting in the senate, to achieving some consensus that is arrived at by focusing less on ideology to pragmatically trying to accomplish something about some problem. I'm not sure that's possible with McConnell and Graham, who have changed over the past 10 and esp 3 years. But I think we had a much better govt during the Reagan and HW years and into the beginning of W's term. Until Iraq.

Maybe you haven't seen the democrat's policy "wish list"??
If/when the dems take control of government these are the policies that they will push for:
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states
3. Free college
4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare
5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law
6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash
7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries
8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas
9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US
13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close
17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies
19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives
21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. LGBTQ rights, trannys in military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything

You have some imagination.

OK, which of those policies would a democrat House/Senate/President NOT vote for.
Because they were all promoted by one of the candidates at some point of the primaries.