Who has more flaws, Trump or Biden (dems keep bashing Trump w/o looking at Biden)

[Brain357]

Flaws don't matter except for republicans. One thing you can depend on is the mainstream media defending Biden, obscuring his problems and throwing him softball non-confrontational questions when they get the chance. The only hope for democrats is to keep their presumptive nominee locked in a basement with his caregiver wife until the election.

Proof of that is how they will insist Joe not attend any debate against Trump. Trump will wipe the floor with him, and they know it.

He can talk about his less than 3% growth and trillion dollar deficits? Or how his handling of the pandemic closed the country?

are you saying if a democrat was president the country would have never shut down?......everything would have been as if very little had happened to disrup our lives?....

We have no idea. What we know is that it hasn’t gone well under a republican.

so i assume under obama we would not be here discussing the pandemic i take it.....

Obama seemed to deal with his potential pandemics much better. I don't recall the country shutting down.

It would have been hard to tell if it were shut down! The economy was always so weak under Barry's watch the last thing it could have handled was a complete shutdown like we're absorbing now! Thankfully people have had a few good years to bank some money to get us through this debacle! If this happened during the Obama years we'd ALL be FUBARED!

It was so weak was it? Then why are Trump GDP numbers about that same? You are saying Trump numbers are weak I assume?

 

[Brain357]

Flaws don't matter except for republicans. One thing you can depend on is the mainstream media defending Biden, obscuring his problems and throwing him softball non-confrontational questions when they get the chance. The only hope for democrats is to keep their presumptive nominee locked in a basement with his caregiver wife until the election.

Proof of that is how they will insist Joe not attend any debate against Trump. Trump will wipe the floor with him, and they know it.

He can talk about his less than 3% growth and trillion dollar deficits? Or how his handling of the pandemic closed the country?

are you saying if a democrat was president the country would have never shut down?......everything would have been as if very little had happened to disrup our lives?....

We have no idea. What we know is that it hasn’t gone well under a republican.

so i assume under obama we would not be here discussing the pandemic i take it.....

Obama seemed to deal with his potential pandemics much better. I don't recall the country shutting down.

this pandemic aint like the old ones.....obama may have fucked up too,because we havent experienced something like this one....you party people should quit playing your little political tit for tat bullshit and start helping with solutions......and i dont mean the solution you sometimes have in your underpants when you wake up.....

Well he didn't. Trump sure did though. I remember him on the TV telling us it was contained. Right.

 

[Oldestyle]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Joe Biden is an "unknown"? Did you really just claim that? He's been the same idiot since Richard Nixon was in office! The guy that kept running for President and kept having to quit because he did or said something so colossally stupid his campaign implodes!

How many times has he been president? We know how trump is as president, and that has lead to the country shut down.

Trump didn't shut the country down. Shutdowns were done by individual States Governors.

Joe Biden is a life long politician...someone too stupid to function in the Private Sector! He's run for President repeatedly and each time he's done so has been forced to throw in the towel because of his gaffes.

States shut down based on the trump guidelines. They are on the White House website.

Once again...Trump deliberately left it up to individual Governors how they would handle shutdowns. Guidelines are exactly that...guidelines! They aren't regulations...they aren't law!

Trump has all the resources and information. You think trump gave bad guidelines? He failed the states?

He gave the same "guidelines" to all of the Governors! How they implemented those guidelines was strictly up to them! So why are Democratically controlled States faring so much worse in this pandemic than GOP controlled States?

Are you saying trump gave bad advice that the dem states followed and so they are doing worse? What is your point?

I'm saying that Trump gave guidelines. It was up to each individual Governor to determine how to handle the pandemic. So why is it that the Democratically controlled States like Massachusetts, Michigan, New York and New Jersey have been the hardest hit by the pandemic and State controlled by Republicans are the first to rebound?

 

[Oldestyle]

Flaws don't matter except for republicans. One thing you can depend on is the mainstream media defending Biden, obscuring his problems and throwing him softball non-confrontational questions when they get the chance. The only hope for democrats is to keep their presumptive nominee locked in a basement with his caregiver wife until the election.

Proof of that is how they will insist Joe not attend any debate against Trump. Trump will wipe the floor with him, and they know it.

He can talk about his less than 3% growth and trillion dollar deficits? Or how his handling of the pandemic closed the country?

are you saying if a democrat was president the country would have never shut down?......everything would have been as if very little had happened to disrup our lives?....

We have no idea. What we know is that it hasn’t gone well under a republican.

so i assume under obama we would not be here discussing the pandemic i take it.....

Obama seemed to deal with his potential pandemics much better. I don't recall the country shutting down.

It would have been hard to tell if it were shut down! The economy was always so weak under Barry's watch the last thing it could have handled was a complete shutdown like we're absorbing now! Thankfully people have had a few good years to bank some money to get us through this debacle! If this happened during the Obama years we'd ALL be FUBARED!

It was so weak was it? Then why are Trump GDP numbers about that same? You are saying Trump numbers are weak I assume?

Trump's numbers were strong enough that the Fed passed rate increase after rate increase. Compare that to where they kept interest rates for Obama's two terms!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Flaws don't matter except for republicans. One thing you can depend on is the mainstream media defending Biden, obscuring his problems and throwing him softball non-confrontational questions when they get the chance. The only hope for democrats is to keep their presumptive nominee locked in a basement with his caregiver wife until the election.

Proof of that is how they will insist Joe not attend any debate against Trump. Trump will wipe the floor with him, and they know it.

He can talk about his less than 3% growth and trillion dollar deficits? Or how his handling of the pandemic closed the country?

are you saying if a democrat was president the country would have never shut down?......everything would have been as if very little had happened to disrup our lives?....

We have no idea. What we know is that it hasn’t gone well under a republican.

so i assume under obama we would not be here discussing the pandemic i take it.....

Obama seemed to deal with his potential pandemics much better. I don't recall the country shutting down.

this pandemic aint like the old ones.....obama may have fucked up too,because we havent experienced something like this one....you party people should quit playing your little political tit for tat bullshit and start helping with solutions......and i dont mean the solution you sometimes have in your underpants when you wake up.....

Well he didn't. Trump sure did though. I remember him on the TV telling us it was contained. Right.

he didnt fuck up because we have been thru lots of regular flu epidemics.....this one was a little bit different, wasnt it brain?.....

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Biden is a "known-known", he's too old and too senile to be president.
Biden hasn't been right about anything in 30-years, just ask Gates.
I can look at Trump honestly, but you can't look at Biden honestly.
You are what's called a "shill"
(an accomplice of a swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. )

Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad.

Subjective...”bad”....LOL

You love huge deficits? Or do you just really love this shut down? Only trolls like the current state of the country.

Already explained this to you dozens of times. Cannot cure your dementia. Only morons forget discussions they had recently.

Yes you are a troll. You love failed policy from your guy.

I explained otherwise. Sucks you cannot remember that. Don’t take it out on me that you have dementia. Also proved you were wrong but you forgot that too.

No you are certainly a troll. You only make claims that you can’t back up. You are a waste of time here, go away.

LMAO. Your dementia is amusing. Trump2020.

Your babbling is a waste of time . Nothing is going well for the country. Do you have anything resembling a fact to counter?

Gave you many but you forgot them all. Not wasting my time teaching the unreachable. You are either old with dementia or stupid. Which is it?

It's not that I have forgotten, it's just they are weak and easily dismissed. Why do you dodge again?

Because they were neither weak nor easily dismissed. If you remember. Then list one of 10 I provided.

You are still dodging? Troll.

That would be you. I gave You 10. List one. Seems simple unless you have dementia. Or do you admit you don’t remember the debate? You ran off like a defeated rat last time too.

The garbage you spew is embarrassing. No way I'm going to repeat it, you don't even want to. Sad.

Want to or cannot? Just admit you forgot. I am done wasting my time with a raving old lunatic. You actually agreed with me but you forgot that too it seems. Sad old man.

 

[Brain357]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Joe Biden is an "unknown"? Did you really just claim that? He's been the same idiot since Richard Nixon was in office! The guy that kept running for President and kept having to quit because he did or said something so colossally stupid his campaign implodes!

How many times has he been president? We know how trump is as president, and that has lead to the country shut down.

Trump didn't shut the country down. Shutdowns were done by individual States Governors.

Joe Biden is a life long politician...someone too stupid to function in the Private Sector! He's run for President repeatedly and each time he's done so has been forced to throw in the towel because of his gaffes.

States shut down based on the trump guidelines. They are on the White House website.

Once again...Trump deliberately left it up to individual Governors how they would handle shutdowns. Guidelines are exactly that...guidelines! They aren't regulations...they aren't law!

Trump has all the resources and information. You think trump gave bad guidelines? He failed the states?

He gave the same "guidelines" to all of the Governors! How they implemented those guidelines was strictly up to them! So why are Democratically controlled States faring so much worse in this pandemic than GOP controlled States?

Are you saying trump gave bad advice that the dem states followed and so they are doing worse? What is your point?

I'm saying that Trump gave guidelines. It was up to each individual Governor to determine how to handle the pandemic. So why is it that the Democratically controlled States like Massachusetts, Michigan, New York and New Jersey have been the hardest hit by the pandemic and State controlled by Republicans are the first to rebound?

What republican states has the kind of traffic as NY? You will have to prove that Repub states are somehow doing better. There are a lot that nobody visits, so pretty clear why they never had a problem.

 

[Brain357]

Flaws don't matter except for republicans. One thing you can depend on is the mainstream media defending Biden, obscuring his problems and throwing him softball non-confrontational questions when they get the chance. The only hope for democrats is to keep their presumptive nominee locked in a basement with his caregiver wife until the election.

Proof of that is how they will insist Joe not attend any debate against Trump. Trump will wipe the floor with him, and they know it.

He can talk about his less than 3% growth and trillion dollar deficits? Or how his handling of the pandemic closed the country?

are you saying if a democrat was president the country would have never shut down?......everything would have been as if very little had happened to disrup our lives?....

We have no idea. What we know is that it hasn’t gone well under a republican.

so i assume under obama we would not be here discussing the pandemic i take it.....

Obama seemed to deal with his potential pandemics much better. I don't recall the country shutting down.

this pandemic aint like the old ones.....obama may have fucked up too,because we havent experienced something like this one....you party people should quit playing your little political tit for tat bullshit and start helping with solutions......and i dont mean the solution you sometimes have in your underpants when you wake up.....

Well he didn't. Trump sure did though. I remember him on the TV telling us it was contained. Right.

he didnt fuck up because we have been thru lots of regular flu epidemics.....this one was a little bit different, wasnt it brain?.....

Trump told us over and over again it was just like the flu. You are saying he was wrong?

 

[kyzr]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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I don't care about odds because the betting houses fix the odds to lay off risk, so it doesn't tell you anything besides where the bettors money is. I don't really care about polls at this point either, beyond that with a trend you … see a trend. But they don't even claim to be predicting what the trend will be in a month, let alone 4-5 mos from now. And I don't really see how anyone can say they like A without referencing B.

But for the first time 92 I'll definitely be voting dem. I didn't find Obama that objectionable, but I thought both McCain and Mitt saw the world through more realistic lenses, and I think if Obama had really bent on healthcare, he could have gotten a much less ambitious, but longer lasting HC fix.

I'll vote Biden solely because his campaign is at the base focused on trying to return discourse, and esp voting in the senate, to achieving some consensus that is arrived at by focusing less on ideology to pragmatically trying to accomplish something about some problem. I'm not sure that's possible with McConnell and Graham, who have changed over the past 10 and esp 3 years. But I think we had a much better govt during the Reagan and HW years and into the beginning of W's term. Until Iraq.

Maybe you haven't seen the democrat's policy "wish list"??
If/when the dems take control of government these are the policies that they will push for:
1. Open borders, tear down the southern border fence/wall
2. Sanctuary cities & states
3. Free college
4. "Medicare for all", aka rationed healthcare, "Lois Lerner" in charge of your access to healthcare
5. Eliminate ICE and DHS, turn the US into the EU, with muslim "no go zones" and Sharia Law
6. Promote Globalism, whatever Wall Street wants Wall Street gets, see K-Street Cash
7. Paris Climate Change Treaty where the US pays $trillions to poor countries
8. Stupid trade agreements, e.g tax breaks to move factories overseas
9. Let China run roughshod over the US for trade and intellectual property theft
10. Let NK develop nukes and ICBM delivery systems, have no one capable of dealing with NK
11. Raise taxes to 70% on the wealthy, especially on corporations so they relocate overseas
12. Decriminalize all drug use and possession, Opioid deaths increase across the US
13. Gangs like MS-13 running rampant across the US
14. No steel or mining industries due to foreign "dumping" of subsidized products
15. No new pipelines and no offshore drilling
16. Medicare for all means rural hospitals will close
17. The dems' "Central Committee" appoints super-delegates to subvert real voters in primaries
18. Pack the US Supreme Court to promote liberal policies
19. Impeach anyone they deem not liberal enough, like Kavanaugh
20. Use the Federal Government to punish conservatives, like the IRS and Lois Lerner hounded conservatives
21. Use the Intel community to spy on the opposition party, like Hillary, FusionGPS, and the FBI/DOJ spied on Trump
22. Block voter ID laws to ensure fraud, and promote "vote harvesting" to steal elections
23. Refuse to provide funding for border walls/security, which DHS says is desperately needed.
24. Give $Trillions to Mexico and Central America for a Marshal Plan, but not help US citizens living in tent cities
25. Impose gun control, outlaw private gun sales, outlaw AR style rifles, restrict sales of bullets, etc.
26. "Green New Deal" Impose a "carbon tax" to punish anyone who works, heats their home, flies, or has a car
27. Anti-business democrat socialists caused Amazon to flee NYC taking 25,000 good paying jobs to VA
28. REPARATIONS to blacks to pay for slavery, $trillions owed by US voters
29. Excuse the murder of unwanted newborns, i.e. "infanticide"
30. Change the Electoral College to popular vote
31. All prisoners get to vote, even the Boston Marathon Bomber, so says Bernie
32. LGBTQ rights, trannys in military
33. Increase domestic surveillance, especially on "white supremacist" organizations
34. Add Senators and congressmen for DC and Puerto Rico
35. Be sure that any "red flag" laws exclude gang members (only get those rural guns)
36. Full welfare and free healthcare for illegal immigrants
37. Eliminate Hallmark channel for being racist, sexist and anti-LGBTQ
38. Eliminate the "cash bail system" whereby all criminals walk out after committing a crime.
39. Nationalize all of the electric utilities making them green by 2030
40. Pass "The New Way Forward Act", bringing back 480,000 deported illegals, giving them free everything

And shall we discuss Rump's policies too. I answered your OP. I dont' really give a fuck about your concerns about "the other guy" which you said weren't the issue. Cough much?

I listed the democrat's policies. Please list the Trump policies that he is running on....
Nevermind here they are, please tell me which you don't support, or prefer the democrats' policies:

Where President Trump stands on the issues in 2020

President Donald Trump has been known to switch positions, making it hard to pin down where he stands on an issue at any given time. But Trump does have a track record on a broad range of topics, from immigration to health care, climate change to foreign affairs.

www.pbs.org

Because if you even halfway tried to read what I explicitly wrote to respond, honestly, to a pretty bullshit OP, you'd have noticed that when Americans actually behave responsibly to identify a problem and then compromise on means to address the problem … there's less bs ideology like you fantasy whckoff list. We stopped working together something in the latter half of W or early part of Obama.

I read what you posted, the first two paragraphs were fluff, this 3rd paragraph (purple font) tries to make a very vague point about Joe Biden trying to return to "discourse", especially voting in the senate, to achieve "consensus" by focusing on problem solving. Then you blame McConnell and Graham for the vitriol, or toxic senate environment, apparently forgetting the Harry Reid years, or "Cryin' Chuck Schumer"?

"I'll vote Biden solely because his campaign is at the base focused on trying to return discourse, and esp voting in the senate, to achieving some consensus that is arrived at by focusing less on ideology to pragmatically trying to accomplish something about some problem. I'm not sure that's possible with McConnell and Graham, who have changed over the past 10 and esp 3 years. But I think we had a much better govt during the Reagan and HW years and into the beginning of W's term. Until Iraq."

1. There is no going back in the Senate or the House. They can't even agree how to fight the pandemic without getting hyper-partisan. Joe Biden would not help matters, the divide is too big between the parties.

2. We are in the "new normal" either divided government where nothing gets done, or one party rule and the country plays ping-pong with policies, when parties switch control.

3. You ignored my points of what policies both parties would be pushing and which you support, I call that a "dodge".

 

[Brain357]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Biden is a "known-known", he's too old and too senile to be president.
Biden hasn't been right about anything in 30-years, just ask Gates.
I can look at Trump honestly, but you can't look at Biden honestly.
You are what's called a "shill"
(an accomplice of a swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. )

Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad.

Subjective...”bad”....LOL

You love huge deficits? Or do you just really love this shut down? Only trolls like the current state of the country.

Already explained this to you dozens of times. Cannot cure your dementia. Only morons forget discussions they had recently.

Yes you are a troll. You love failed policy from your guy.

I explained otherwise. Sucks you cannot remember that. Don’t take it out on me that you have dementia. Also proved you were wrong but you forgot that too.

No you are certainly a troll. You only make claims that you can’t back up. You are a waste of time here, go away.

LMAO. Your dementia is amusing. Trump2020.

Your babbling is a waste of time . Nothing is going well for the country. Do you have anything resembling a fact to counter?

Gave you many but you forgot them all. Not wasting my time teaching the unreachable. You are either old with dementia or stupid. Which is it?

It's not that I have forgotten, it's just they are weak and easily dismissed. Why do you dodge again?

Because they were neither weak nor easily dismissed. If you remember. Then list one of 10 I provided.

You are still dodging? Troll.

That would be you. I gave You 10. List one. Seems simple unless you have dementia. Or do you admit you don’t remember the debate? You ran off like a defeated rat last time too.

The garbage you spew is embarrassing. No way I'm going to repeat it, you don't even want to. Sad.

Want to or cannot? Just admit you forgot. I am done wasting my time with a raving old lunatic. You actually agreed with me but you forgot that too it seems. Sad old man.

Keep dodging troll.

 

[Oldestyle]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Joe Biden is an "unknown"? Did you really just claim that? He's been the same idiot since Richard Nixon was in office! The guy that kept running for President and kept having to quit because he did or said something so colossally stupid his campaign implodes!

How many times has he been president? We know how trump is as president, and that has lead to the country shut down.

Trump didn't shut the country down. Shutdowns were done by individual States Governors.

Joe Biden is a life long politician...someone too stupid to function in the Private Sector! He's run for President repeatedly and each time he's done so has been forced to throw in the towel because of his gaffes.

States shut down based on the trump guidelines. They are on the White House website.

Once again...Trump deliberately left it up to individual Governors how they would handle shutdowns. Guidelines are exactly that...guidelines! They aren't regulations...they aren't law!

Trump has all the resources and information. You think trump gave bad guidelines? He failed the states?

He gave the same "guidelines" to all of the Governors! How they implemented those guidelines was strictly up to them! So why are Democratically controlled States faring so much worse in this pandemic than GOP controlled States?

Are you saying trump gave bad advice that the dem states followed and so they are doing worse? What is your point?

I'm saying that Trump gave guidelines. It was up to each individual Governor to determine how to handle the pandemic. So why is it that the Democratically controlled States like Massachusetts, Michigan, New York and New Jersey have been the hardest hit by the pandemic and State controlled by Republicans are the first to rebound?

What republican states has the kind of traffic as NY? You will have to prove that Repub states are somehow doing better. There are a lot that nobody visits, so pretty clear why they never had a problem.

Ah, Florida? We have one or two "visitors"! (eye roll)

 

[colfax_m]

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

I think Trump has demonstrated a propensity to base decisions on wishful thinking and I think it’s had disastrous consequences.

Like what? Give me a few examples. I can show that his instinct to move US troop out of the way of the Turkish invasion of Syria worked well, even after his generals warned of a "Kurd Slaughter". Trump gave the Kurds oil fields to fund their defense.

Trump's crushing of ISIS when Obama let them grow and grow is another example of Trump's instincts.

The southern border wall is another.

Stopping flights from China is another, when Biden and Pelosi called him xenophobic & racist.

I could go on and on, but your "whine" about Trump is baseless.

“Worked well” in Syria is absurd. What good did we accomplish? Scores of Kurdish were killed by Turkey, in their home country, and thousands displaced from their homes. We didn’t give them any oil fields they didn’t already control.

Obama put together a coalition to fight ISIS that had already turned the tide. The control of ISIS was shrinking and ISIS was in retreat on all fronts when Trump took over. All he had to do was continue the same strategy.

What border wall?

He didn’t stop flights from China.

He didn’t properly screen travelers. He didn’t take the virus seriously. He didn’t ramp up equipment production. He didn’t ramp up testing. He didn’t stop travel to Europe. He was too afraid to take action for fear of souring the economy and pissing off China which would potentially have impeded his real priority which was a trade deal.

Are you really this stupid....? Wait, you don't need to answer that, your post answered for you...

isis was growing under obama who called them the JV team....remember, you idiot...they were rolled back and all the land they controlled taken back under Trump, you doofus.......

Trump has been building that wall, but the democrat press has been busy lying about the Chinese Flu and the impeachment....

And Trump ended travel to China when you shitstains called him a racist and a xenophobe, he moved army and navy hospitals to cover New York and California and got PPE and Ventilators assembled in record time, you doofus.....so much so that the military hospitals closed down, almost completely unused, and there were so many ventilators available New York didn't need them....you doofus.....

When y’all start calling me stupid is pretty much when I know you don’t know what you’re talking about.

ISIS peaked in 2014 and was losing territory for several years before Trump took office in 2017. Under Obama, ISIS had lost about a third of its territory. Sorry you don’t know that, but I can’t educate all of you.

Fall of Islamic State 'caliphate' announced - BBC News

US-backed forces say IS is defeated in its last stronghold, but the group remains a major threat.

www.bbc.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/10/25/trumps-claim-that-hes-done-by-far-more-than-obama-in-the-fight-against-isis/

Trump didn’t end travel with China.

430,000 People Have Traveled From China to U.S. Since Coronavirus Surfaced (Published 2020)

There were 1,300 direct flights to 17 cities before President Trump’s travel restrictions. Since then, nearly 40,000 Americans and other authorized travelers have made the trip, some this past week and many with spotty screening.

www.nytimes.com

Trump only acted after it was clear his wishful thinking wasn’t going to cut it. Remember, the virus was just supposed to disappear in May.

Trump Said Coronavirus Would 'Miraculously' Be Gone By April. Well, It's April.

More than 3,000 people have died in the United States from COVID-19, and it's expected to get far worse.

m.huffpost.com

So there you go. A little free education. Next time I suggest you think for yourself and read instead of lazily repeating the shit Trump tells you to believe.

How much did the territory that ISIS controlled INCREASE because of Barry's premature withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq? How many people died horrible deaths because of Obama's policy decisions? How many millions had to flee for their lives to escape ISIS? Your defense of Obama falls on it's face!

Our troops had been in Iraq for a decade. There wasn’t anything premature about it.

 

[sartre play]

How can you bash Biden when he is not president, there was plenty of negative Trump talk from both Democrat & Republican be for the election, the proof of a good job is after you have done the job .

 

[kyzr]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Biden is a "known-known", he's too old and too senile to be president.
Biden hasn't been right about anything in 30-years, just ask Gates.
I can look at Trump honestly, but you can't look at Biden honestly.
You are what's called a "shill"
(an accomplice of a swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. )

Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad.

So convince me that Biden would be better. You have only whined about Trump. Biden could be much worse, such as in China's pocket, and pocketing cash for Hunter all over the world.

I've given you facts. How is that whining? Biden could be much worse, we don't know. What we know is trump is awful.

Here is your post that I replied to:
"Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad."

1. True Biden has never been president (thank God)
2. Trump is not young, (ok, true, but he's younger than Biden)
3. Trump's presidency is bad. ( I disagree. Trump had a few bad policies, but his presidency has generally been successful)
4. Calling Trump's presidency bad w/o listing a few reasons is "whining", without reasons backing up your "bad".

Biden does not appear to have the available intellect to carry out the duties of the office of President, that's a no-brainer fact.

You have seen my reasons over and over. At this point you really need them again? Read this thread!!!!!!

LOL!! You and I have been arguing over your "reasons" for days. I disagree with most. The only one I'll agree with is that the tax cut for the top tax bracket was bad, and the ensuing budget deficit was worse. But that's about it for me. All in all I like the Trump presidency, and his "promises kept".

I see you had another poster (Dr. Grump) try to explain the trade deficit to you. Do you get it now or not?

 

[Brain357]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Joe Biden is an "unknown"? Did you really just claim that? He's been the same idiot since Richard Nixon was in office! The guy that kept running for President and kept having to quit because he did or said something so colossally stupid his campaign implodes!

How many times has he been president? We know how trump is as president, and that has lead to the country shut down.

Trump didn't shut the country down. Shutdowns were done by individual States Governors.

Joe Biden is a life long politician...someone too stupid to function in the Private Sector! He's run for President repeatedly and each time he's done so has been forced to throw in the towel because of his gaffes.

States shut down based on the trump guidelines. They are on the White House website.

Once again...Trump deliberately left it up to individual Governors how they would handle shutdowns. Guidelines are exactly that...guidelines! They aren't regulations...they aren't law!

Trump has all the resources and information. You think trump gave bad guidelines? He failed the states?

He gave the same "guidelines" to all of the Governors! How they implemented those guidelines was strictly up to them! So why are Democratically controlled States faring so much worse in this pandemic than GOP controlled States?

Are you saying trump gave bad advice that the dem states followed and so they are doing worse? What is your point?

I'm saying that Trump gave guidelines. It was up to each individual Governor to determine how to handle the pandemic. So why is it that the Democratically controlled States like Massachusetts, Michigan, New York and New Jersey have been the hardest hit by the pandemic and State controlled by Republicans are the first to rebound?

What republican states has the kind of traffic as NY? You will have to prove that Repub states are somehow doing better. There are a lot that nobody visits, so pretty clear why they never had a problem.

Ah, Florida? We have one or two "visitors"! (eye roll)

Ok Florida. I guess you are claiming they did something better? Please share what that was. Last I checked Disney is still shut down....

 

[colfax_m]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Biden is a "known-known", he's too old and too senile to be president.
Biden hasn't been right about anything in 30-years, just ask Gates.
I can look at Trump honestly, but you can't look at Biden honestly.
You are what's called a "shill"
(an accomplice of a swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. )

Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad.

So convince me that Biden would be better. You have only whined about Trump. Biden could be much worse, such as in China's pocket, and pocketing cash for Hunter all over the world.

I've given you facts. How is that whining? Biden could be much worse, we don't know. What we know is trump is awful.

What we know is you wouldn't vote for Trump if we still had our economy and he came up with a solution to erase the national debt. You still wouldn't vote for him. I don't care that you people have TDS, I just wish you can be honest once in a while.

Why would I vote for him when all his big policy has failed?

His policies were just fine. We'd still be enjoying a booming economy right now if not for the virus. He did wonders on the border problem, wonders with the economy, wonders with trade although a few were tougher to deal with. We were doing fantastic. Wages were rising, new housing on the increase. He even solved the North Korea problem.

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Still looking for that “booming economy” you keep talking about.

 

[colfax_m]

Flaws don't matter except for republicans. One thing you can depend on is the mainstream media defending Biden, obscuring his problems and throwing him softball non-confrontational questions when they get the chance. The only hope for democrats is to keep their presumptive nominee locked in a basement with his caregiver wife until the election.

Proof of that is how they will insist Joe not attend any debate against Trump. Trump will wipe the floor with him, and they know it.

He can talk about his less than 3% growth and trillion dollar deficits? Or how his handling of the pandemic closed the country?

are you saying if a democrat was president the country would have never shut down?......everything would have been as if very little had happened to disrup our lives?....

We have no idea. What we know is that it hasn’t gone well under a republican.

so i assume under obama we would not be here discussing the pandemic i take it.....

Obama seemed to deal with his potential pandemics much better. I don't recall the country shutting down.

It would have been hard to tell if it were shut down! The economy was always so weak under Barry's watch the last thing it could have handled was a complete shutdown like we're absorbing now! Thankfully people have had a few good years to bank some money to get us through this debacle! If this happened during the Obama years we'd ALL be FUBARED!

It was so weak was it? Then why are Trump GDP numbers about that same? You are saying Trump numbers are weak I assume?

Trump's numbers were strong enough that the Fed passed rate increase after rate increase. Compare that to where they kept interest rates for Obama's two terms!

Not quite the whole story.

Fed cuts interest rates, but indicates a pause is ahead

The Fed removed "act as appropriate to sustain the expansion" from its statement, indicating the central bank will now likely stay on hold.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Brain357]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Biden is a "known-known", he's too old and too senile to be president.
Biden hasn't been right about anything in 30-years, just ask Gates.
I can look at Trump honestly, but you can't look at Biden honestly.
You are what's called a "shill"
(an accomplice of a swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. )

Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad.

So convince me that Biden would be better. You have only whined about Trump. Biden could be much worse, such as in China's pocket, and pocketing cash for Hunter all over the world.

I've given you facts. How is that whining? Biden could be much worse, we don't know. What we know is trump is awful.

Here is your post that I replied to:
"Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad."

1. True Biden has never been president (thank God)
2. Trump is not young, (ok, true, but he's younger than Biden)
3. Trump's presidency is bad. ( I disagree. Trump had a few bad policies, but his presidency has generally been successful)
4. Calling Trump's presidency bad w/o listing a few reasons is "whining", without reasons backing up your "bad".

Biden does not appear to have the available intellect to carry out the duties of the office of President, that's a no-brainer fact.

You have seen my reasons over and over. At this point you really need them again? Read this thread!!!!!!

LOL!! You and I have been arguing over your "reasons" for days. I disagree with most. The only one I'll agree with is that the tax cut for the top tax bracket was bad, and the ensuing budget deficit was worse. But that's about it for me. All in all I like the Trump presidency, and his "promises kept".

I see you had another poster (Dr. Grump) try to explain the trade deficit to you. Do you get it now or not?

Actually you have agreed with most of them. He has failed on the big issues and kept lame partisan promises. You are a partisan so you are cool with it. I am not cool with huge failures.

 

[gipper]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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That’s a tough one.

Thank you! That's the point I was trying to make with the thread.
There is no "no brainer" choice, they both have issues.

In a way it is a no brainer. Don’t vote for either one. They’re both equally awful.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The democrats keep listing the things that they don't like about Trump, "ad nauseam "

But looking at both men individually, how they would perform in press conferences, how they would evaluate information and make serious decisions, how they process information, etc. Which would be a more capable president for the next 4-years?

Here is the Vegas betting odds, Trump is still a 2:1 favorite over Biden. A real "poll" with real money. (OMG Hillary is back!!)
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We already know trump policy is a failure. We are choosing between guaranteed more failure or an unknown. The unknown has a chance of being successful.

Biden is a "known-known", he's too old and too senile to be president.
Biden hasn't been right about anything in 30-years, just ask Gates.
I can look at Trump honestly, but you can't look at Biden honestly.
You are what's called a "shill"
(an accomplice of a swindler who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others. )

Biden has never been president. Trump is hardly young. We have seen a trump presidency and it’s bad.

So convince me that Biden would be better. You have only whined about Trump. Biden could be much worse, such as in China's pocket, and pocketing cash for Hunter all over the world.

I've given you facts. How is that whining? Biden could be much worse, we don't know. What we know is trump is awful.

What we know is you wouldn't vote for Trump if we still had our economy and he came up with a solution to erase the national debt. You still wouldn't vote for him. I don't care that you people have TDS, I just wish you can be honest once in a while.

Why would I vote for him when all his big policy has failed?

His policies were just fine. We'd still be enjoying a booming economy right now if not for the virus. He did wonders on the border problem, wonders with the economy, wonders with trade although a few were tougher to deal with. We were doing fantastic. Wages were rising, new housing on the increase. He even solved the North Korea problem.

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Still looking for that “booming economy” you keep talking about.

Lowest unemployment in 50 years. Over a million more jobs than Americans that could work them. When has that ever happened in our lives before? How much better could it get? How many new market highs have been set in his three years of leadership?