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Agreed. Thought we were talking about education though. I don’t disagree with your ideas. Had you honestly and objectively presented your argument the first time then it wouldn’t have taken three pages to get here. That’s why cutting the BS stuff is important.Oh, cut the crap about my honesty and just make your point. There are too many federal government regulations over business. Trump is doing okay on that and hopefully more will come down.You gotta start living up to your name by cutting the BS, not spewing it. Businesses are also regulated by the federal government, that doesn’t mean that the government is running businesses. Saying the the feds are over regulating is a fair arguement which I agree with, but let’s be honest in our debateWell, ultimately the Federal Government does run education because of their regulations. I also want the Teacher Unions dissolved. In fact, I don’t want any unions in teaching or government at any level.Ok good so we can get rid of you’re earlier statement that said government can’t orobide education. Government is essential to providing education. Now we can discuss how that system operates and how it can be improved. I happen to agree that the federal government should back off and give more control to local governments.Yes.City and county governments, right? Is that what you’re talking about?
Btw. States and local governments do run the schools. The feds are involved with funding support and regulations but they don’t run the schools.
You are arguing with an idiotA fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.did you know, simply asking that question is a fallacy?In the real world, one hundred percent is "full employment".
Where in the "real world" has your "idea" been successfully implemented?
I am in the Eureka State and have the federal doctrine at our disposal.
Did you know, not answering that question is a clue?
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Grow our economy, we Must.
any actual, economic rebuttals? your one trick pony of inflation is bogus.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will cause many unskilled/low-skilled workers to be unemployable.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
Huge spending programs that also reduce the incentive to work will harm our economy.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Feel free to invest your weed earnings in that.
How does it create more demand? This should be good.No, it doesn't. Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.A cost of living adjustment, a solution for simple poverty, and a sustainable solution for our environment.A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.Did you know, not answering that question is a clue?
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Grow our economy, we Must.
any actual, economic rebuttals? your one trick pony of inflation is bogus.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will cause many unskilled/low-skilled workers to be unemployable.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
Huge spending programs that also reduce the incentive to work will harm our economy.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Feel free to invest your weed earnings in that.
For the People! Not the capital Profit!
A cost of living adjustment, a solution for simple poverty,
An expensive handout that incentivizes sloth. Nope.
Stop complaining about the poor not paying their share of Taxes, right wingers.
danielpalos
You're entire theory essentially relies on a belief that "greed" only exists in "capitalist's" (the rich, wealthy, business peeps, etc) That is patently false. You can huff and puff about being "more moral" by "providing" a "good life" for every American (or human) all you want, but the reality is that people, in general, are proven to be both lazy and greedy and will take the easiest path 99% of the time. You cannot support a nation on these principles because the tax money dries up real fast when no one bothers to work.
EDIT: You can actually see the above principle in action when it comes to our public education - For example, it's not that our K-12 schools are not free and available; it's that the students drop out or fail to apply themselves to the "goal" of graduation. It's also not necessarily that the "education sucks" either, when's the last time any employer has asked any new hire about basic HS knowledge? Employers just want to see the piece of paper, the diploma, that say's Hey this kid was dedicated to graduating and put in the effort. The actual information learned in school, even college, is 90% quasi useless bullshit and 10% actual usable on the job information. They want to see proof of effort.
You are basically talking about a "Star Trek" fantasy economy, problem is we can't just replicate everything everyone needs for free. Every bit of what you want [that "quality of life"] costs money; money that won't magically appear simply because you want to do the "moral thing" for folks. EVEN if you completely got rid of the "trading money for labor" model we use, (aka straight up communism where the gov controls all jobs and shit) the gov would /still/ have to pay for many products and a foreign government which produces them (while American's sit on their asses) isn't going to accept your "moral currency" in trade - further that is an idea that 100% turns every citizen of the country into a slave of the government...
Start with this decent primer that goes fairly in depth about why supply side economics has made America one of the wealthiest nations on the planet, also touches upon how capitalism has massively reduced global poverty, which is a real and proven "morally good" argument.
we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.
You are arguing with an idiotA fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.did you know, simply asking that question is a fallacy?Where in the "real world" has your "idea" been successfully implemented?
I am in the Eureka State and have the federal doctrine at our disposal.
Did you know, not answering that question is a clue?
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Grow our economy, we Must.
any actual, economic rebuttals? your one trick pony of inflation is bogus.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will cause many unskilled/low-skilled workers to be unemployable.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
Huge spending programs that also reduce the incentive to work will harm our economy.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Feel free to invest your weed earnings in that.
They should at least have ability above a retarded slug.You are arguing with an idiotA fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.did you know, simply asking that question is a fallacy?
I am in the Eureka State and have the federal doctrine at our disposal.
Did you know, not answering that question is a clue?
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Grow our economy, we Must.
any actual, economic rebuttals? your one trick pony of inflation is bogus.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will cause many unskilled/low-skilled workers to be unemployable.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
Huge spending programs that also reduce the incentive to work will harm our economy.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Feel free to invest your weed earnings in that.
Well, who else is there to argue with? If he WASN'T an idiot, he'd be agreeing.
You haven’t been superior in anythingI have a superior argument, not an equal argument.we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.Sure they do!social democracy includes solving simple poverty; the left has solutions.
That's why California is the most poverty stricken state in the Union.
All the left does is maintain welfare plantations all over the country. God forbid they should encourage people to get OFF of the government teat!
unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States,
Quitting your job or never having one doesn't entitle you to $14 an hour. And it never will.
we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.
i keep trying to goad the right wing into an Argument, not mere gossip.in San Francisco or Seattle?There is no unemployment only underpayment. Seattle and San Francisco prove that, not sloth.No, it doesn't. Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.
Stop complaining about the poor not paying their share of Taxes, right wingers.
No, it doesn't.
Yes, it incentivizes sloth.
Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.
You've increased costs and increased demand. You've reduced supply.
How high should we let inflation get before you realize your error?
Stop complaining about the poor not paying their share of Taxes
The poor have a negative tax rate.
There is no unemployment only underpayment
There is unemployment. It's exacerbated by overpayment.
It you mandate a $15 minimum wage, people who add less than $15/hour in value will be freshly unemployed.
we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.
Broken record dumb ass?
They should at least have ability above a retarded slug.You are arguing with an idiotA fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.Did you know, not answering that question is a clue?
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Grow our economy, we Must.
any actual, economic rebuttals? your one trick pony of inflation is bogus.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will cause many unskilled/low-skilled workers to be unemployable.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
Huge spending programs that also reduce the incentive to work will harm our economy.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Feel free to invest your weed earnings in that.
Well, who else is there to argue with? If he WASN'T an idiot, he'd be agreeing.
danielpalos
You're entire theory essentially relies on a belief that "greed" only exists in "capitalist's" (the rich, wealthy, business peeps, etc) That is patently false. You can huff and puff about being "more moral" by "providing" a "good life" for every American (or human) all you want, but the reality is that people, in general, are proven to be both lazy and greedy and will take the easiest path 99% of the time. You cannot support a nation on these principles because the tax money dries up real fast when no one bothers to work.
EDIT: You can actually see the above principle in action when it comes to our public education - For example, it's not that our K-12 schools are not free and available; it's that the students drop out or fail to apply themselves to the "goal" of graduation. It's also not necessarily that the "education sucks" either, when's the last time any employer has asked any new hire about basic HS knowledge? Employers just want to see the piece of paper, the diploma, that say's Hey this kid was dedicated to graduating and put in the effort. The actual information learned in school, even college, is 90% quasi useless bullshit and 10% actual usable on the job information. They want to see proof of effort.
You are basically talking about a "Star Trek" fantasy economy, problem is we can't just replicate everything everyone needs for free. Every bit of what you want [that "quality of life"] costs money; money that won't magically appear simply because you want to do the "moral thing" for folks. EVEN if you completely got rid of the "trading money for labor" model we use, (aka straight up communism where the gov controls all jobs and shit) the gov would /still/ have to pay for many products and a foreign government which produces them (while American's sit on their asses) isn't going to accept your "moral currency" in trade - further that is an idea that 100% turns every citizen of the country into a slave of the government...
Start with this decent primer that goes fairly in depth about why supply side economics has made America one of the wealthiest nations on the planet, also touches upon how capitalism has massively reduced global poverty, which is a real and proven "morally good" argument.
we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.
You mean a never ending circle of increased cost of living. If you increase min wage, businesses raise prices, then the folks at the bottom making min wage can't afford the "current" cost of living - requiring another increase in minimum wage. Rinse and repeat.
Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.How does it create more demand? This should be good.No, it doesn't. Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.A cost of living adjustment, a solution for simple poverty, and a sustainable solution for our environment.A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Grow our economy, we Must.
any actual, economic rebuttals? your one trick pony of inflation is bogus.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will cause many unskilled/low-skilled workers to be unemployable.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
Huge spending programs that also reduce the incentive to work will harm our economy.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Feel free to invest your weed earnings in that.
For the People! Not the capital Profit!
A cost of living adjustment, a solution for simple poverty,
An expensive handout that incentivizes sloth. Nope.
Stop complaining about the poor not paying their share of Taxes, right wingers.
I hear ya. They are like a train wreck. You shouldn’t look....... but you just can’t help it.They should at least have ability above a retarded slug.You are arguing with an idiotA fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Grow our economy, we Must.
any actual, economic rebuttals? your one trick pony of inflation is bogus.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will cause many unskilled/low-skilled workers to be unemployable.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
Huge spending programs that also reduce the incentive to work will harm our economy.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Feel free to invest your weed earnings in that.
Well, who else is there to argue with? If he WASN'T an idiot, he'd be agreeing.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. You're looking at Exhibit A of the left's Dr. Frankenstein experiments to create people who can still function as bipeds without any actual thought.
i keep trying to goad the right wing into an Argument, not mere gossip.in San Francisco or Seattle?There is no unemployment only underpayment. Seattle and San Francisco prove that, not sloth.No, it doesn't.
Yes, it incentivizes sloth.
Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.
You've increased costs and increased demand. You've reduced supply.
How high should we let inflation get before you realize your error?
Stop complaining about the poor not paying their share of Taxes
The poor have a negative tax rate.
There is no unemployment only underpayment
There is unemployment. It's exacerbated by overpayment.
It you mandate a $15 minimum wage, people who add less than $15/hour in value will be freshly unemployed.
we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.
Broken record dumb ass?
danielpalos
You're entire theory essentially relies on a belief that "greed" only exists in "capitalist's" (the rich, wealthy, business peeps, etc) That is patently false. You can huff and puff about being "more moral" by "providing" a "good life" for every American (or human) all you want, but the reality is that people, in general, are proven to be both lazy and greedy and will take the easiest path 99% of the time. You cannot support a nation on these principles because the tax money dries up real fast when no one bothers to work.
EDIT: You can actually see the above principle in action when it comes to our public education - For example, it's not that our K-12 schools are not free and available; it's that the students drop out or fail to apply themselves to the "goal" of graduation. It's also not necessarily that the "education sucks" either, when's the last time any employer has asked any new hire about basic HS knowledge? Employers just want to see the piece of paper, the diploma, that say's Hey this kid was dedicated to graduating and put in the effort. The actual information learned in school, even college, is 90% quasi useless bullshit and 10% actual usable on the job information. They want to see proof of effort.
You are basically talking about a "Star Trek" fantasy economy, problem is we can't just replicate everything everyone needs for free. Every bit of what you want [that "quality of life"] costs money; money that won't magically appear simply because you want to do the "moral thing" for folks. EVEN if you completely got rid of the "trading money for labor" model we use, (aka straight up communism where the gov controls all jobs and shit) the gov would /still/ have to pay for many products and a foreign government which produces them (while American's sit on their asses) isn't going to accept your "moral currency" in trade - further that is an idea that 100% turns every citizen of the country into a slave of the government...
Start with this decent primer that goes fairly in depth about why supply side economics has made America one of the wealthiest nations on the planet, also touches upon how capitalism has massively reduced global poverty, which is a real and proven "morally good" argument.
we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.
You’ve said that 47 times. Please outline how it works. You have no logic.
That is the stupidest post ever. What demand have they made. Nothing changes. What 5th grade economic book are you reading? You can’t equate taxes to demand of goods. Your analogy doesn’t follow through. They spend more of their income because their income is low. As their income increase the amount as a percentage of their income that is spent goes down. Jesus! Get some help.Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.How does it create more demand? This should be good.No, it doesn't. Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.A cost of living adjustment, a solution for simple poverty, and a sustainable solution for our environment.A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is a cost of living adjustment.
A fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage will cause many unskilled/low-skilled workers to be unemployable.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
Huge spending programs that also reduce the incentive to work will harm our economy.
and giga-recycling "factories" help with social costs by creating a market for repurposable goods.
Feel free to invest your weed earnings in that.
For the People! Not the capital Profit!
A cost of living adjustment, a solution for simple poverty,
An expensive handout that incentivizes sloth. Nope.
Stop complaining about the poor not paying their share of Taxes, right wingers.
The poor tend to spend most of their discretionary income.
we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.You have to have economic sense not just Talk economic sense, right wingers.no arguments?Let's say fourteen dollars an hour for simply being unemployed.
Let's say no.
You make one first. It has to make economic sense. GO!
lol. I have an Argument and You don't.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
Let's say fourteen dollars an hour for simply being unemployed.
No homeless person would be worse off.
lol. I have an Argument and You don't.
Handouts to people who don't work, who don't want to work, who never paid into the unemployment insurance system, just because they're unemployed, isn't an argument.
Unemployment compensation for being unemployed in our at-will employment States solves for simple poverty.
Handouts for not working will not solve poverty. They will incentivize sloth, they will reduce GDP and they will massively increase government spending. Then they'll be ended and we'll be worse off than before, and you'll still be broke, sleeping on someone's couch.
Let's say fourteen dollars an hour for simply being unemployed.
Let's not.
I have a superior argument, not an equal argument.we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.Sure they do!social democracy includes solving simple poverty; the left has solutions.
That's why California is the most poverty stricken state in the Union.
All the left does is maintain welfare plantations all over the country. God forbid they should encourage people to get OFF of the government teat!
unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States,
Quitting your job or never having one doesn't entitle you to $14 an hour. And it never will.
we really just need a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage, unemployment compensation for being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States, and giga-recycling factories to help with social costs.
Whatever. Have a nice day.Agreed. Thought we were talking about education though. I don’t disagree with your ideas. Had you honestly and objectively presented your argument the first time then it wouldn’t have taken three pages to get here. That’s why cutting the BS stuff is important.Oh, cut the crap about my honesty and just make your point. There are too many federal government regulations over business. Trump is doing okay on that and hopefully more will come down.You gotta start living up to your name by cutting the BS, not spewing it. Businesses are also regulated by the federal government, that doesn’t mean that the government is running businesses. Saying the the feds are over regulating is a fair arguement which I agree with, but let’s be honest in our debateWell, ultimately the Federal Government does run education because of their regulations. I also want the Teacher Unions dissolved. In fact, I don’t want any unions in teaching or government at any level.Ok good so we can get rid of you’re earlier statement that said government can’t orobide education. Government is essential to providing education. Now we can discuss how that system operates and how it can be improved. I happen to agree that the federal government should back off and give more control to local governments.Yes.
Btw. States and local governments do run the schools. The feds are involved with funding support and regulations but they don’t run the schools.
People spending wages from fifteen dollars an hour and people receiving unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed; Must create some Demand in Any economy.That is the stupidest post ever. What demand have they made. Nothing changes. What 5th grade economic book are you reading? You can’t equate taxes to demand of goods. Your analogy doesn’t follow through. They spend more of their income because their income is low. As their income increase the amount as a percentage of their income that is spent goes down. Jesus! Get some help.Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.How does it create more demand? This should be good.No, it doesn't. Higher paid labor pays more in taxes and creates more in demand.A cost of living adjustment, a solution for simple poverty, and a sustainable solution for our environment.
For the People! Not the capital Profit!
A cost of living adjustment, a solution for simple poverty,
An expensive handout that incentivizes sloth. Nope.
Stop complaining about the poor not paying their share of Taxes, right wingers.
The poor tend to spend most of their discretionary income.
Christ, I need to take my own advice. I can’t do this with a myopic neophyte like you.
It isn’t what the left wantsnobody takes right wing soothsay and more credibly than right wing hearsay.Your solution destroys the country. So that’s your solution.i have solutions, not excuses. only the right wing does that while alleging equality not the truth in advertising of inferiority.Having Only Excuses; makes You, look dumb.
So far, the only thing you've proven, is that you can use the word 'Fallacy' way too much. You've used it like 25 times on this thread alone. It's not making you sound smart. It's actually achieving the opposite effect.
You need an actual argument, not your made up fantasy.
How would having recourse to unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed, be worse for the People.
You have no economic arguments; you don't have a social argument either, do you, right wingers.
time=money, right wingers; don't be, worth less.
Lowest Unemployment in 17yrs, isn't good enough for ya? You really think Communists could do better? You need to study up some more on Communism/Socialism. It isn't the answer.
