Why Are Republicans So Relentlessly Cruel to the Poor?

[rightwinger]

It is the Democratic Party that is "cruel" to the poor, since the Democratic Party wants more people poor and on the dole... and hence voting Dem...

Big government = more poor people

Small government = prosperity for all

Big government = protect the rights of all

Small government= ignore the excesses of the powerful

 

[rightwinger]

In no nation in the world, at no time in history.....have the poor ever done better by receiving less

Not true. See the results of the Newt Gingrich 1996 Welfare Reform Act. Of course, the Act was destroyed by petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama.

Bullshit

Look what the Great Bush Recession of 2008 did for the poor

 

[Markle]

Unions are responsible for most of the positive changes to the working life over the last century. The current lack of power they have is probably the cause of all the poverty and inequality we currently enjoy.

Sorry my far left Progressive good friend, this is NOT the 19th century.

Here we see what unions have done in the past fifty years.

 

[Dschrute3]

If you're constantly trying to find 'loopholes' in Jesus' teachings, you're likely not a 'Good Christian.' And unfortunately, most Republicans i run into, are always trying to find those 'loopholes' to try and justify their hating and abusing the least fortunate among us. I have to say, i truly despise those people. If you're gonna be hateful & greedy, so be it. But don't call yourself a 'Good Christian.'

 

[rightwinger]

The American worker is not "pieces of shit" they work harder and are as productive as any in the world. For that, they receive a smaller and smaller piece of the pie

What Progressives find impossible to comprehend is that they won't accept that the size of the pie, EXPANDS. Just because I get a raise of $5.00 per hour that doesn't take $5.00 an hour out of your pocket or anyone else's.

That's really complex for you isn't it?

Odd........the size of the economy expanded after the Great Bush recession of 2008 and yet salaries for working Americans remained the same

The reality is that since the Reagan revolution, workers have gotten a smaller piece of the pie

 

[rightwinger]

Unions are responsible for most of the positive changes to the working life over the last century. The current lack of power they have is probably the cause of all the poverty and inequality we currently enjoy.

Sorry my far left Progressive good friend, this is NOT the 19th century.

Here we see what unions have done in the past fifty years.

That was done by capitalists who used up Detroit and then abandoned it

 

[francoHFW]

the FACT is that the so called poor here are no worse off than any other first world country

Then why are so many families struggling? Used to be you could support a family on a single low skilled income. Now, it takes government assistance.
The ladder to success is broken. The ability to rise from poverty and stay there is disappearing. Used to be children were expected to achieve a higher standard of living than their parents. Now they can't even match it
But our wealthy has managed to slice off a bigger slice of the pie
That is all Republucans care about

Were you around during the days when families were one income? I was. I grew up in that era. Most people did without back then.

yeah and houses were small and cheap to build families had one car one TV etc etc

Exactly. We had one television which got four channels........five if you caught it on a less windy day. There was no cable or satellite. There was no pay-per-view. There was no VCR or DVD player. If you were one of the lucky kids, you had an Atari video game system with two or three game cartridges.

Fast food was something of a treat you got once maybe twice a year. If you wanted to watch a movie, everybody jumped into the family car and drove to a drive-in somewhere if Dad could afford it.

Today, a family eats out three or more times a week. A family cell phone plan costs more today than my parents mortgage back then. What is poverty today? Poverty is having a government cell phone with only 250 anytime minutes. That's what we call poor today.

Hell...our cable bill and cell phone bill alone cost as much as my parents mortgage in the 70's.

And my INSURANCE costs more than my mortgage payment right now.

Liberals have created poverty and it is done intentionally.

Brainwashed RW idiocy. But thanks for the racist and poor policy and the giveaway to the greedy GOP rich. So when did the American dream GTH? Hint: Raygunism, stupid. Duh.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-c...lity-in-america-2010-4?slop=1#slideshow-start

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Conservatives save the ones hiring illegals for huge profits
School vouchers are a scam that allows white kids a paid voucher to get out of minority schools

Liberals provide the poor with food, shelter, healthcare, education .....which conservatives fight to take away

All this talk about how "conservatives" hire illegals yet none of you have ever provided proof of that. You just assume that all business people are conservative by nature and there are no rich liberal business owners that run companies like Microsoft or Apple.

The only thing liberals provide to the poor is government dependency. As long as they can keep people dependent on the government, they have voters forever.

Liberals love to give away other people's money and then claim they are the charitable ones.

You fail to provide a single thing Conservatives do for the poor

Protection against Mexicans?
Are you kidding me?

Liberals do not give away other people's money, they give OUR money. Money that also pays for the largest military in the world, needless wars and incentives to wealthy capitalists

Jobs.. That's what Reapulican onservatives do for the poor that want to work and succeed in life...



Look at the southern red states like when I live in the upstate of South Carolina, in the 1970s this place was a hell hole like depicted in the burt Reynolds movie deliverance when the democrats controlled it.

Today it changed so much that Clemson university don't even have text tile courses, they offer cutting edge technology now.

Actually...they promise jobs which never materialize
republicans send the jobs over seas

Obama added 11 million jobs
Three times more than both Bush's combined

Republicans never sent one job overseas. A political party can't do that--only industry can.

But they passed laws that made it easier and more profitable. And continue to defend them...of course you wouldn't get that from your propaganda service...

 

[hadit]

Question for you:
By your account, what percentage of "the poor" are poor by choice of their own?
(Don't run from this one)

Less than 10 percent
That is a rightwing myth that the poor are so happy being poor that they choose to stay there

Fair enough...
So how many educated and truly motivated people do you know that are poor?
Does one choose to be educated and motivated?
(Don't run away)

that still doesn't solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment and entrepreneurship requires capital.

Just stop already. Your arguments have been destroyed so many times, yet you continue spouting them again.

nothing but diversion instead of valid arguments?

teaching the right wing how to fish, merely means they have nothing but red herrings, to show for it.

You're not making valid arguments. You're spouting meaningless slogans that you don't even understand.

 

[hadit]

Less than 10 percent
That is a rightwing myth that the poor are so happy being poor that they choose to stay there

Fair enough...
So how many educated and truly motivated people do you know that are poor?
Does one choose to be educated and motivated?
(Don't run away)

that still doesn't solve for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment and entrepreneurship requires capital.

Just stop already. Your arguments have been destroyed so many times, yet you continue spouting them again.

Haha...poor ole Danny. He spends countless hours researching political vocabulary but can't for the life of himself string a sensible couple of sentences together..haha
He impresses no one but himself with his vast bunch of scrambled words and phrases...LOL

I thought it was just me for a while. I thought to myself "WTF can't I understand what this guy is trying to say?" Then I realized it's not just me. Everybody has a hard time trying to understand him.

I don't think he even understands him.

 

[BlueGin]

What they are doing now which is removing illegals that are taking our jobs and keeping our wages lower while at the same time, making our lower income neighborhoods even more dangerous. Republicans are still pushing for better education for the poor by the use of School Vouchers---something Democrats have always been against. Yeah, Democrats are for helping the poor provided where the poor stand on their priority list, and they don't fare well against the big buck unions that bring their money come election time.

Conservatives save the ones hiring illegals for huge profits
School vouchers are a scam that allows white kids a paid voucher to get out of minority schools

Liberals provide the poor with food, shelter, healthcare, education .....which conservatives fight to take away

All this talk about how "conservatives" hire illegals yet none of you have ever provided proof of that. You just assume that all business people are conservative by nature and there are no rich liberal business owners that run companies like Microsoft or Apple.

The only thing liberals provide to the poor is government dependency. As long as they can keep people dependent on the government, they have voters forever.

Liberals love to give away other people's money and then claim they are the charitable ones.

You fail to provide a single thing Conservatives do for the poor

Protection against Mexicans?
Are you kidding me?

Liberals do not give away other people's money, they give OUR money. Money that also pays for the largest military in the world, needless wars and incentives to wealthy capitalists

Jobs.. That's what Reapulican onservatives do for the poor that want to work and succeed in life...



Look at the southern red states like when I live in the upstate of South Carolina, in the 1970s this place was a hell hole like depicted in the burt Reynolds movie deliverance when the democrats controlled it.

Today it changed so much that Clemson university don't even have text tile courses, they offer cutting edge technology now.

Actually...they promise jobs which never materialize
republicans send the jobs over seas

Obama added 11 million jobs
Three times more than both Bush's combined

Obama sent thousands of cash application, accounts payable, accounts receivable,collections, and customer service jobs in the healthcare industry to Mexico, India and the Phillippines. As well as destroying manufacturing.

 

[BlueGin]

So...I'm wondering what all of you sad sack woe is me liberals actually do for a living.

Besides whine.

i try to find, "brave nice girls for free" when I don't have any money under our form of Capitalism; who insist they want to come over and help me get really really good at full body massage with happy ending.

Woe is me.

Are you on drugs or something?

 

[Wyatt earp]

What they are doing now which is removing illegals that are taking our jobs and keeping our wages lower while at the same time, making our lower income neighborhoods even more dangerous. Republicans are still pushing for better education for the poor by the use of School Vouchers---something Democrats have always been against. Yeah, Democrats are for helping the poor provided where the poor stand on their priority list, and they don't fare well against the big buck unions that bring their money come election time.

Conservatives save the ones hiring illegals for huge profits
School vouchers are a scam that allows white kids a paid voucher to get out of minority schools

Liberals provide the poor with food, shelter, healthcare, education .....which conservatives fight to take away

All this talk about how "conservatives" hire illegals yet none of you have ever provided proof of that. You just assume that all business people are conservative by nature and there are no rich liberal business owners that run companies like Microsoft or Apple.

The only thing liberals provide to the poor is government dependency. As long as they can keep people dependent on the government, they have voters forever.

Liberals love to give away other people's money and then claim they are the charitable ones.

You fail to provide a single thing Conservatives do for the poor

Protection against Mexicans?
Are you kidding me?

Liberals do not give away other people's money, they give OUR money. Money that also pays for the largest military in the world, needless wars and incentives to wealthy capitalists

Jobs.. That's what Reapulican onservatives do for the poor that want to work and succeed in life...



Look at the southern red states like when I live in the upstate of South Carolina, in the 1970s this place was a hell hole like depicted in the burt Reynolds movie deliverance when the democrats controlled it.

Today it changed so much that Clemson university don't even have text tile courses, they offer cutting edge technology now.

Actually...they promise jobs which never materialize
republicans send the jobs over seas

Obama added 11 million jobs
Three times more than both Bush's combined

Why do you continue to lie when you live in New Jersey and as a transplant Chicagoan who has been living in the south for the past 14 years knows first hand the truth on all the fucking jobs conservatives brought in and obozo didn't do a damn thing except hurt job growth
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[Ray From Cleveland]

Yea.......and if they agreed to $6 an hour, those jobs would still leave the country

The American worker did not demand to be rich. He just wanted a decent standard of living where he could raise his family and someday retire

Conservatives mock them for it

Wrong. We lost a lot of good customers thank to unions. They either forced the company out of state or out of the country. In most cases, the company tried to negotiate, they even pled with the unions, but the unions refused to back down, so the companies had no choice but to pack their bags and go.

During the time, what I found so amazing is how brainwashed union workers were back then. I asked the workers if a lower paying job was better than no job at all? They were hell bent on having no job at all than to give into the company. So I asked WTF are they going to do with themselves once the company closes down? They told me not to worry. The union will find them another over-paying job.

Well that didn't happen, and all those workers that were promised the world screwed themselves out of good jobs because of the leadership of their unions.

Unions provide a powerful tool to workers.......Collective Bargaining
Rather than each worker being on his own with management holding all the cards, workers negotiate as a whole with quite a lot of bargaining power

Destruction of the unions was a major objective of Republucans. It helps them hold down employee compensation

Unions are responsible for most of the positive changes to the working life over the last century. The current lack of power they have is probably the cause of all the poverty and inequality we currently enjoy.

Its a central tenet of right wing politics that unions must be smashed. This to enable their corporate paymasters to maximise their profits.

Its such a depressing time to be alive. If you dont like what is offered you have no options.
Go on strike and we will move these jobs offshore, its a form of fascism. Might is right.

Of course the governments could act on this if they were not bought and paid for by the corporations.

Maybe you don't understand how a free country works. In a free country, you can't stop jobs from leaving if the owners of the companies decide to leave. Therefore the only thing you can do to keep those jobs are to cater to those job creators.

So unions take over or government promotes unionization and companies pack their bags and head for higher ground. It has nothing to do with political payoff, nothing to do with political power. It has to do with government doing what it can to preserve jobs in the US.

It has everything to do with power. Corporations exploit inequality around the world in order to maximise profit. They have all the power and that is why there is inequality. Its a ticking bomb as well. Millions on zero hours contracts are never going to be able to retire because they have no pension provision.

Hey,I am not saying I have a solution but I am damned sure that staying on your knees and taking it up the ass from the Massa is not going to produce a decent standard of living.

Correct, but threats and force won't accomplish much either.

The problem in our country is that the American consumer won't support good paying monkey jobs. We just won't do it. What we support are cheap crappy made products and we don't care who produces them.

So where does the "massa' (as you like to call it) derive their power from? They get that power from their customers. The larger the business, the more power that business has.

So companies give their consumers what they demand. It's the only smart thing to do. We want cheap products and we want growth in our investments. It's impossible to provide those two things and good paying non-skilled labor at the same time..

 

[Billo_Really]

Oh geez, more confusion among the desperate and lost Liberals...haha? I'm guessing you've done some significant due diligence to assert such a claim...right?
Here some enlightenment for you...you're welcome for the free lesson:
California - 12% of the nations population, 33% of the nations welfare recipients - FACT
By the way Hawaii and New York are fighting CA for that number one spot....are they blue or red states? hahaha

It Looks Like Red States Take Most in Federal 'Welfare' from this Map. But Looks Can Be Deceiving.
California’s Welfare Benefits: Boom or Bust?
"There has been much discussion about immigrants in the United States from everywhere around the world. Yet, why is it that California seems to attract the most immigrants of any state? Indeed, while the state is only 12% of the nation’s population, it is home to 33% of welfare residents. According to a report published by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) on January 26, 2015, there is a correlation between generous welfare benefits and an increase in immigration.

In total, California outspends every other state in public welfare spending – in 2014, it spent $22.4 billion. In contrast, the next closest state, New York, spent $11.9 billion. That being said, does this make California a magnet for immigrants? Not necessarily. It is more of an anchor – a reason why residents stay for long periods of time in the state. However, to deny that there is no magnet would be incorrect. According to George J. Borjas, the Robert W. Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School and the author of the aforementioned report, the reason as to why people decide to relocate is due to “income-maximizing behavior.” Immigrants have already accepted that there are certain fixed costs that are inevitable because of migration, so it is natural that they will flock towards the places with the highest benefits. Empirical evidence suggests that it is because of these differences that there are an increasingly disproportionate number of immigrants among states. While there is the possibility of alternative explanations for this phenomenon, the conclusion that Borjas draws using the wealth-maximization hypothesis is one such testable method.

However, upon closer examination, on a per-capita basis, California’s seemingly generous benefits pale in data comparison to other states. For example, it spends approximately $179 for every resident, behind $233 in Hawaii and $256 in New York. Furthermore, approximately 8.9% of California residents live in poverty, the highest of any state. Despite this, the number of people immigrating to California increases exponentially each year.

How do we know that 33% doesn't consist of all right wing conservatives receiving aid?

 

[Billo_Really]

That's garbage and if you do not know that, you are a fool.

For convenience and legal reasons, I have always had at least two and usually five or six Sub Chapter S corporations. Any and all net income from each passed through and I paid regular income tax on that profit.

Please explain how I paid 10% less than you. If you have a way, I'd love to have that money BACK! Due to the radical increase in real estate prices from 2001-2007, I sold several properties and had to borrow $42,000 with a short term signature loan to have enough to pay my taxes one year. So like I said, if you have a way, I'd sure like to know how I could have paid 10% less. My own CPA couldn't get it any lower.

Here you go...

https://postimage.org/

 

[Billo_Really]

What business is it of yours? Are they taking it out of your pocket?

It's destroying this country and these fuckers pay 10% less a tax rate than I do.

 

[Doc1]

What business is it of yours? Are they taking it out of your pocket?

It's destroying this country and these fuckers pay 10% less a tax rate than I do.

Do you ever quit whining about what others have and you don't?

 

[MaryL]

I used to be a liberal years ago. Before, it meant something. Now it means pandering to the lowest common denominator, of whatever ilk or cause, as long as they aren't white Anglos or European. So far that doesn't mean a bloody thing. Racism is becoming like the boy that cried wolf. Empty allegations meaning NOTHING. Islam? Come on here. Crash planes, behead people. Islamophobia? Fear of something that would harm you isn't a phobia. Please.

 

[Billo_Really]

Do you ever quit whining about what others have and you don't?

Do you ever quit whining about me?

 

[Markle]

What they are doing now which is removing illegals that are taking our jobs and keeping our wages lower while at the same time, making our lower income neighborhoods even more dangerous. Republicans are still pushing for better education for the poor by the use of School Vouchers---something Democrats have always been against. Yeah, Democrats are for helping the poor provided where the poor stand on their priority list, and they don't fare well against the big buck unions that bring their money come election time.

Conservatives save the ones hiring illegals for huge profits
School vouchers are a scam that allows white kids a paid voucher to get out of minority schools

Liberals provide the poor with food, shelter, healthcare, education .....which conservatives fight to take away

All this talk about how "conservatives" hire illegals yet none of you have ever provided proof of that. You just assume that all business people are conservative by nature and there are no rich liberal business owners that run companies like Microsoft or Apple.

The only thing liberals provide to the poor is government dependency. As long as they can keep people dependent on the government, they have voters forever.

Liberals love to give away other people's money and then claim they are the charitable ones.

You fail to provide a single thing Conservatives do for the poor

Protection against Mexicans?
Are you kidding me?

Liberals do not give away other people's money, they give OUR money. Money that also pays for the largest military in the world, needless wars and incentives to wealthy capitalists

Jobs.. That's what Reapulican onservatives do for the poor that want to work and succeed in life...



Look at the southern red states like when I live in the upstate of South Carolina, in the 1970s this place was a hell hole like depicted in the burt Reynolds movie deliverance when the democrats controlled it.

Today it changed so much that Clemson university don't even have text tile courses, they offer cutting edge technology now.

Actually...they promise jobs which never materialize
republicans send the jobs over seas

Obama added 11 million jobs
Three times more than both Bush's combined

Great spin. You just seem to leave out the FACTS.
OOPS!

Civilian labor force in the United States from 1990 to 2016 (in millions)

December 2008 154.29 Million

December 2016 159.19 Million

U.S. labor force 1990-2016 | Timeline


US Population by Year

July 1, 2009 306.77 million

Mar 1, 2017 323.42 million

US Population by Year