Why Are We A Democracy?

[Windship]

Your trying to change history with words and it works. Thats why its done.

By claiming our republic is a republic we are changing history? Was Ben Franklin wrong when he said they created a republic? Have we been wrong when we pledge allegiance to the flag and the republic for which it stands?

Your so ridiculas. No. Your changing history saying Democracy has nothing to do with America.

 

[Avatar4321]

george bush wasnt appointed by the supreme court....wow...and I go to search to find the articles Ive had before?....and I find nothing. Not one single morsal. Nothing....gone.

You do realize that no one know what you are rambling about when you post random thoughts and make no effort to connect them coherently, right?

 

[Avatar4321]

Why Are We A Democracy?
We are not a democracy....Bush Jr. didn't win the popular vote in 2000, the Supreme Court overruled the popular vote.

What is this ignorance? The popular vote was never going to determine that election. Electoral votes determine the presidency. And George Bush won them no matter how many times democrats demanded recounts.

The popular vote wont matter this election. For example Gary Johnson may come in third in the popular vote. But if McMullin is the only third party candidate with electoral votes, when this race goes to the House to will be between Clinton, Trump, and McMullin instead of Johnson.

And its very possible Clinton could win the popular vote and not become president.

Here's a clue.....a democracy is when the one with the MOST VOTES becomes POTUS.

No a democracy is when every one participates in making laws. A republic is where you have representatives making law.

And since the president has never been chosen by who has the most votes, even by your standards we are a republic

 

[Windship]

..... I am a logical, reasonable man.

You are nothing of the kind. Bush won the election. Get the fuck over it.

Your so fucking stupid uncle terrie. I post 4 links. One from the fucking supreme court itself and you all ignore them....but its me thats wrong.
I AM over it. I just know history because I was there. We waited for like 2 or 3 days for the decision and I remember the moment and the particulars.
You deny it all you want. That is how its always worked.

 

[Windship]

george bush wasnt appointed by the supreme court....wow...and I go to search to find the articles Ive had before?....and I find nothing. Not one single morsal. Nothing....gone.

You do realize that no one know what you are rambling about when you post random thoughts and make no effort to connect them coherently, right?

Well then stop answering me a posting lies.

 

[Windship]

so now discredit me, smear me with your bull shit words. Im truth. Your bull shit and lies.

 

[Windship]

...and you fuckers know it too. Thats why you keep on talking.

 

[Avatar4321]

Why Are We A Democracy?
We are not a democracy....Bush Jr. didn't win the popular vote in 2000, the Supreme Court overruled the popular vote.

What is this ignorance? The popular vote was never going to determine that election. Electoral votes determine the presidency. And George Bush won them no matter how many times democrats demanded recounts.

The popular vote wont matter this election. For example Gary Johnson may come in third in the popular vote. But if McMullin is the only third party candidate with electoral votes, when this race goes to the House to will be between Clinton, Trump, and McMullin instead of Johnson.

And its very possible Clinton could win the popular vote and not become president.

Here's a clue.....a democracy is when the one with the MOST VOTES becomes POTUS.

Heres another...that was changed subsequently by a bought off by corporate government. The electoral vote was not a Democratic policy and was nonexistent when we formed.

What are you talking about? The electoral college was set up by the founders in the constitution. It has been from the beginning

 

[Windship]

Ok, show me where the votes were all counted and the election commission declared ghwb the winner. Then show me where he was appointed president from that decision.

 

[Avatar4321]

We currently, have a Democracy...kinda. Saying we dont and never did, makes you look ignorant with an agenda.

The States are Democracies, the Federal Government isn't. The Founding Fathers wanted to prevent tyranny of the majority. In fact they never referred to the Federal government as a democracy and no one did until Democrats wanted to justify tyranny of the majority in the 20th century

Yeah. Like the right is doing with the word Republic. And A Republic is almost identical to a Democracy...lol.

No. They aren't. Which is why we have separate words to begin with

Go search the meanings, moron.

The definition for both are in this thread and *gasp* they are different. Do you know why?

It's because they don't mean the same things. The Greeks wouldn't have come up with two different words for the same thing.

 

[Rustic]

Ok, show me where the votes were all counted and the election commission declared ghwb the winner. Then show me where he was appointed president from that decision.

Bed wetter

 

[Windship]

What are you talking about? The electoral college was set up by the founders in the constitution. It has been from the beginning[/QUOTE]
The United States Electoral College is the body that elects the President and Vice President of the United States every four years. Citizens of the United States do not directly elect the president or the vice president; instead they choose "electors", who usually pledge to vote for particular candidates.[1][2][3]

Electors are apportioned to each of the 50 states as well as to the District of Columbia. The number of electors in each state is equal to the number of members of Congress to which the state is entitled,[4] while the Twenty-third Amendment grants the District of Columbia the same number of electors as the least populous state, currently three. Therefore, there are currently 538 electors, corresponding to the 435 Representatives and 100 Senators, plus the three additional electors from the District of Columbia. The Constitution bars any federal official, elected or appointed, from being an elector.

Except for Maine and Nebraska, all states have chosen electors on a "winner-take-all" basis since the 1880s.[5] That is, each state has all of its electors pledged to the presidential candidate who wins the most votes in that state. Maine and Nebraska use the "congressional district method", selecting one elector within each congressional district by popular vote and selecting the remaining two electors by a statewide popular vote.[6] Although no elector is required by federal law to honor a pledge, there have been very few occasions when an elector voted contrary to a pledge.[7][8] The Twelfth Amendment, in specifying how a president and vice president are elected, requires each elector to cast one vote for president and another vote for vice president.[9][10]

The candidate who receives an absolute majority of electoral votes (currently 270) for the office of president or of vice president is elected to that office. The Twelfth Amendment provides for what happens if the Electoral College fails to elect a president or vice president. If no candidate receives a majority for president, then the House of Representatives will select the president, with each state delegation (instead of each representative) having only one vote. If no candidate receives a majority for vice president, then the Senate will select the vice president, with each senator having one vote. On four occasions, most recently in the 2000 presidential election, the Electoral College system has resulted in the election of a candidate who did not receive the most popular votes in the election.[11][12]
CONSTIITUTIONAL ORIGINS
The Constitutional Convention of 1787 considered several methods of electing the President, including selection by Congress, by the governors of the states, by the state legislatures, by a special group of Members of Congress chosen by lot, and by direct popular election. Late in the convention, the matter was referred to the Committee of Eleven on Postponed Matters, which devised the electoral college system in its original form. This plan, which met with widespread approval by the delegates, was incorporated into the final document with only minor changes. It sought to reconcile differing state and federal interests, provide a degree of popular participation in the election, give the less populous states some additional leverage in the process by providing “senatorial” electors, preserve the presidency as independent of Congress, and generally insulate the election process from political manipulation.

 

[boedicca]

We're not supposed to be a Democracy. The U.S. was set up to be a Constitution Republic with limits on government power - one important purpose of which is to protect minority (not racial, but political) rights. Pure Democracies always descend into raging mobs which persecute the political minority (which is a moving target based on arbitrary abuses of power).

There has never been a "pure democracy" on a national scale ever.

And your point is?

The real issue is that we have Prog Elites manipulating their hordes of howling monkeys into thinking that "majority rule" means that they can shred The Constitution and turn political opponents into criminals.

In reality, nothing is perfectly pure. But that doesn't mean that it the concept is invalid.

The real issue is the right walking down the road to fascism because democracy has failed to provide them a leader who will beat the masses into shape.

Uh, Earth to Occupied: Progressives are leading us down the road to Fascism and Serfdom combined. If you think that the GOP is "the right", or conservative, you are sorely mistaken. It is just the Junior League auxiliary of the Dem-Prog Big Government Pogrom.

You have no idea what all those terms you so carelessly throw around actually mean. You have every right to your opinion but not your own definitions of terms that have been around for centuries. There is nothing resembling fascism on the left. Look around at all those people who are trying to make you lose faith in our elections and despise those who vote wrong, those are fascists.

^^^ The heartbreak of ignorance and myopia on parade ^^^

 

[Windship]

The electoral college was implemented after the original signing like nndd2013. They knew they could throw elections this way.

 

[Unkotare]

Really? Then why did gb have to be appointed by the supreme court?

He never was. That's just left-wing BS as usual.

Wait a min...lemme get this strait...you say gb was elected and not appointed by supreme court?

Grammar is your friend.

The feeling is apparently not mutual.

 

[Unkotare]

The electoral college was implemented after the original signing like nndd2013. They knew they could throw elections this way.

No, 'they' knew Americans outside of NY and CA could still have a voice in elections this way.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Florida counted the votes, Bush won. Florida recounted the votes, Bush won. The Florida legislature had created the laws for certifying the election. The Florida Executive branch followed those laws.

How on earth can even in your partisan Democrat mind do you find "appointed" or "de facto" appointed out of that?

Im not a dem u dope. You deny it all you want. Its history. But you ignore history...yeah.

Says the Socialist, unironically.

Oh, so, pumpkin...you agree? g h w b was NOT appointed by the supreme court. Lol.

Meant the history comment, since to be a Socialist, you have to reject history and logic in the first place. All I know about Bush being elected is that he was the chosen Establishment shill from the start.

So,...your a socialist?...and yes. He was. Just as obama was and now that lying bitch is. hey are not liberal.

You're perpetually confused, as usual. It's okay, nobody expects much from your kind. They are Democrats, and that's why they're okay with such immoral activity. Lefttards always are.

 

[Windship]

lol, Im not a democrat you moron.

 

[Windship]

You dont care if the world erupts as long as you get your fat and bloated wallet. Thats all your kind cares about.

 

[Windship]

You people will sell your own country out for your wallet. And you do. Proudly.