CDZ Why aren't we addressing the gun issue as a cultural problem?

[pismoe]

--- and in 'chicago' , 44 shot with 4 dead in 'chicago' over this last weekend . --- 47 Shot, Including 8-Year-Old, in Weekend Chicago Violence --- NO ONE was shot in my area over the weekend and my area would be said to be Awash in legally owned Guns of all types eh . And i think that there were 50 shot in 'chicago' last weekend .

 

[JoeB131]

That is just not true...

Whites in America own more guns, but have a lower gun murder rate.

Blacks in America own fewer guns but have a higher gun murder rate.

Demographics, race and culture are the issue, not the guns.

Yup, you guys are totally not racist.

Why are most of the Crazy Mass Shooters white guys, then?

If black guys were carrying out mass shootings, we'd have banned guns by now.

 

[JoeB131]

And yet your theory, more guns = more gun crime, does not hold up to actual, real world experience....

Your belief.....

Yeah, it does if you are the US vs. the UK, Germany, Japan, France, Italy, Canada or anywhere else where THEY'VE FIGURED THIS OUT.

 

[pismoe]

i think that a portion of the residents of 'chicago' are doing Mass Shooting every weekend and they aren't White according to news reports . Over a hundred shot in mass shootings over the last 2 weekends and these 'chicago' mass shootings have been going on for years JoeB .

 

[pismoe]

And yet your theory, more guns = more gun crime, does not hold up to actual, real world experience....

Your belief.....

Yeah, it does if you are the US vs. the UK, Germany, Japan, France, Italy, Canada or anywhere else where THEY'VE FIGURED THIS OUT.

-------------------------------- all that you mention are SUBJECTS living in the 'realms' of their 'lords and masters' . They don't even have a RIGHT to Free Speech or Life JoeB . ----------------- and 'new zealanders'and 'aussies' are just as subjugated JoeB .

 

[2aguy]

That is just not true...

Whites in America own more guns, but have a lower gun murder rate.

Blacks in America own fewer guns but have a higher gun murder rate.

Demographics, race and culture are the issue, not the guns.

Yup, you guys are totally not racist.

Why are most of the Crazy Mass Shooters white guys, then?

If black guys were carrying out mass shootings, we'd have banned guns by now.

Because most of the criminal shooters are done by minorities.....12 mass public shootings in 2018, not all of them by white guys...so even less...total 93 killed....

2017.......10,982 gun murders.....so, minority gang members are killing far more people than white nuts are...

 

[2aguy]

And yet your theory, more guns = more gun crime, does not hold up to actual, real world experience....

Your belief.....

Yeah, it does if you are the US vs. the UK, Germany, Japan, France, Italy, Canada or anywhere else where THEY'VE FIGURED THIS OUT.

They haven't figured it out, they have been living off of a pacified public since their creation...they all had feudal systems except for Canada, and they had a homogenous population until they started to import criminals from the 3rd world......

They will need to figure it out soon because their young males, raised without fathers, are starting to become more violent and murderous.....

 

[MAGAman]

Yup, you guys are totally not racist.

Why are most of the Crazy Mass Shooters white guys, then?

If black guys were carrying out mass shootings, we'd have banned guns by now.

Well that's stupid.

Blacks commit a significantly disproportionate number of murders, and violent gun front crimes.

You people get some stupid race-bait in your mind and don't think it or before you commit it out.

TDS...

 

[JoeB131]

i think that a portion of the residents of 'chicago' are doing Mass Shooting every weekend and they aren't White according to news reports . Over a hundred shot in mass shootings over the last 2 weekends and these 'chicago' mass shootings have been going on for years JoeB .

Uh, dude, those are all individual crimes. We have 14,000 gun homicides and 70,000 gun injuries a year... and funny thing, you gun nuts are usually okay with it, except in Chicago.

Like you are making a point or something.

 

[JoeB131]

Well that's stupid.

Blacks commit a significantly disproportionate number of murders, and violent gun front crimes.

You people get some stupid race-bait in your mind and don't think it or before you commit it out.

Uh, dummy, we weren't talking about "all crime". We were talking about these incidents where some nut goes into a public place and shoots up a bunch of complete bystanders.

LIke it or not, "all murders" usually involve people who already know each other, and a gun makes it easier to settle some kind of grudge, which is bad, but one problem at a time.

Here's the problem we need to deal with. White nuts going into public places and shooting up a bunch of strangers.

 

[Blues Man]

I don't have a simple legislative answer for the gun problem. There are already ten kazillion guns out there, and they're easily accessible by any maniac. So legislating along the fringes can only do so much. Can we do some legislating here and there? Sure, let's look at EVERYTHING. But legislation's efficacy will be limited and long term only.


I think MOST of our problems are cultural, directly or indirectly. This is another example. But we're tying our own hands.

Once again, your premise, as usual, if faulty.

Gun violence is not "cultural". It cuts long all demographics of race, religion, politics, and income levels.

The only problem here is that guns are too easy to get.

The rest of the world has already figured this out.

Not equally in fact it is very disproportionate between demographics and especially income levels

The most violence in this country occurs in inner city areas that have been historically plagued by segregation, underemployment, unemployment, the breakdown of the family, generational poverty and the trade in illicit drugs

In fact 25% of all murders committed with guns occurs in very small very well known areas in just 4 cities

 

[Blues Man]

i think that a portion of the residents of 'chicago' are doing Mass Shooting every weekend and they aren't White according to news reports . Over a hundred shot in mass shootings over the last 2 weekends and these 'chicago' mass shootings have been going on for years JoeB .

Uh, dude, those are all individual crimes. We have 14,000 gun homicides and 70,000 gun injuries a year... and funny thing, you gun nuts are usually okay with it, except in Chicago.

Like you are making a point or something.

What year was that?

And no matter what year it was 70% of those murders committed with guns occurred in inner city areas and is mostly criminals shooting other criminals

 

[2aguy]

Well that's stupid.

Blacks commit a significantly disproportionate number of murders, and violent gun front crimes.

You people get some stupid race-bait in your mind and don't think it or before you commit it out.

Uh, dummy, we weren't talking about "all crime". We were talking about these incidents where some nut goes into a public place and shoots up a bunch of complete bystanders.

LIke it or not, "all murders" usually involve people who already know each other, and a gun makes it easier to settle some kind of grudge, which is bad, but one problem at a time.

Here's the problem we need to deal with. White nuts going into public places and shooting up a bunch of strangers.

Grand total of all mass public shootings in 2018....12....total deaths... 93.

Knives kill over 1,500 people every single year.

Pools kill over 3,500 every single year.

Cars kill over 38,0000......

320 million people in the country..... 600 million guns with 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense....

1.1 million Americans use their legal guns every year to save lives.....

You have no case and your theory on guns is wrong...

The anti-gun theory and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.

 

[2aguy]

i think that a portion of the residents of 'chicago' are doing Mass Shooting every weekend and they aren't White according to news reports . Over a hundred shot in mass shootings over the last 2 weekends and these 'chicago' mass shootings have been going on for years JoeB .

Uh, dude, those are all individual crimes. We have 14,000 gun homicides and 70,000 gun injuries a year... and funny thing, you gun nuts are usually okay with it, except in Chicago.

Like you are making a point or something.

We had 10,982 gun murders in 2017.... 80% are criminals murdered by other criminals, of the rest, 2,196..... out of a country of over 320 million people.....the majority are friends, family and associates of criminals....

Meanwhile...on the lives saved with guns? The Centers for Disease Control found Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives...from rape, robbery and murder....the Department of Justice found 1.5 million times a year....

Can you tell which numbers are bigger?

 

[2aguy]

Well that's stupid.

Blacks commit a significantly disproportionate number of murders, and violent gun front crimes.

You people get some stupid race-bait in your mind and don't think it or before you commit it out.

Uh, dummy, we weren't talking about "all crime". We were talking about these incidents where some nut goes into a public place and shoots up a bunch of complete bystanders.

LIke it or not, "all murders" usually involve people who already know each other, and a gun makes it easier to settle some kind of grudge, which is bad, but one problem at a time.

Here's the problem we need to deal with. White nuts going into public places and shooting up a bunch of strangers.

all murders" usually involve people who already know each other,

Yes....criminals murdering other criminals generally know each other...they also tend to murder friends, family and associates of other criminals, which are the majority of victims of gun murder and all murder in general...

Nuts...not all white...... in 2018... 12 mass public shootings. 93 killed.

Gun murder due to criminal violence.... 10,982.

In a country of over 320 million people....

Can you tell which number is bigger?

 

[pismoe]

i think that a portion of the residents of 'chicago' are doing Mass Shooting every weekend and they aren't White according to news reports . Over a hundred shot in mass shootings over the last 2 weekends and these 'chicago' mass shootings have been going on for years JoeB .

Uh, dude, those are all individual crimes. We have 14,000 gun homicides and 70,000 gun injuries a year... and funny thing, you gun nuts are usually okay with it, except in Chicago.

Like you are making a point or something.

What year was that?

And no matter what year it was 70% of those murders committed with guns occurred in inner city areas and is mostly criminals shooting other criminals

-------------------------------------- it was the last 2 weekends BluesM .

 

[pismoe]

LIKE I said the shootings in 'chicago' amount to a bit over a hundred and a few dead / murdered and were just these last 2 weekends JoeB .

 

[MAGAman]

Uh, dummy, we weren't talking about "all crime". We were talking about these incidents where some nut goes into a public place and shoots up a bunch of complete bystanders.

LIke it or not, "all murders" usually involve people who already know each other, and a gun makes it easier to settle some kind of grudge, which is bad, but one problem at a time.

Here's the problem we need to deal with. White nuts going into public places and shooting up a bunch of strangers.

Your hate-based hypocrisy would be funny if I'd didn't make you ignore the suffering and deaths of the vast majority of gun violence victims.

Spare me your feigned compassion. You just admitted you don't give a damn about anything but politics.

 

[JoeB131]

Not equally in fact it is very disproportionate between demographics and especially income levels

The most violence in this country occurs in inner city areas that have been historically plagued by segregation, underemployment, unemployment, the breakdown of the family, generational poverty and the trade in illicit drugs

In fact 25% of all murders committed with guns occurs in very small very well known areas in just 4 cities

Again, we've had this discussion before, and it's more dressing up racism in a nice suit...

It's unacceptable that there's so much gun violence in the inner city. It's unacceptable that we have mass shootings. It's unacceptable that most of us have to live in gated communities, security work places, active shooter drills, and everything else.. so that few nuts can own guns.

 

[JoeB131]

Your hate-based hypocrisy would be funny if I'd didn't make you ignore the suffering and deaths of the vast majority of gun violence victims.

Spare me your feigned compassion. You just admitted you don't give a damn about anything but politics.

I care about getting results....

We have a violence problem because the gun industry has intentionally flooded our streets with guns, to make people scared so they'll want guns too.

When you are knee deep in gasoline, you put away the matches and start cleaning up the gasoline.... you don't get more matches and gas.