Why do Blacks vote Democrat?

[Ernie S.]

No Joe. I'm equating names with other actions and behaviors that keep blacks from being unhyphenated Americans. Do blacks want to be seen as equals? Then they should try acting equal.
My heritage is 8th generation American of English decent, Native American an German. (2nd generation born here) I am proud of my heritage, but I don't look to set myself apart from my countrymen.
My name is Ernest, not Ernst or Von Ernst.

Your name is "Cleetus", and the fact you fly a Confederate Battle Flag is nothing to be proud of. You Celebrate a shameful moment where a large part of the country gave up on its ideals of all men being created equal.

You can't have 400 years of slavery and Jim Crow and then claim that "Well, they're equal NOW". That's absurd.

When half the country loses it's shit because a man who is half-black gets elected, you know we still have problems, and the problem is not that Mama Washington named her baby "Jamal".

For the last time, Joe: Conservatives disagree with obama's white half too.
Perceptions matter, no matter how much people want to be fair.
I have a problem with pants worn way below the waist and made up pseudo-African names. I'm sure you have some preconceptions yourself.
Suppose you interviewed a man for a job and he had a rebel flag tattoo on his arm. What would his chances be?
I'm sure you will justify your bias siting 400 years of slavery and jim crow but it's still bias.

 

[FJO]

Blacks vote Democrat because they don't want to vote for the people who keep ridiculing them for voting Democrat,
as if voting Democrat is a symptom of racial inferiority.

Ridiculing stupid blacks for voting Democrat is like ridiculing stupid whites for voting Republican.

 

[Dragonlady]

Blacks vote Democrat because they don't want to vote for the people who keep ridiculing them for voting Democrat,
as if voting Democrat is a symptom of racial inferiority.

Ridiculing stupid blacks for voting Democrat is like ridiculing stupid whites for voting Republican.

Not the same thing at all. Blacks who vote Democrat aren't voting against their own best interest. Low income voters who vote Republican are voting for the party which put them in poverty over the past 30 years and which will ensure that generations to come will continue to be poor.

Republicans changed the tax code which ensures that the rich will continue to get richer while the middle class and poor far further and further behind. Tax cuts don't create jobs, they don't help the poor, they only help the wealthy. Cut and spend Republicans created this massive deficit and their solution to America's deficit problem is to gut social programs which help the poor, and go to war in Iraq - again.

How'd that work out for you the first time you tried it?

 

[dblack]

I'd assume blacks vote Democrat for approximately the same reasons as anyone else.

 

[Lakhota]

"Why do blacks vote Democrat?" Because Republicans are scary...

 

[Obiwan]

"Why do blacks vote Democrat"? Because Republicans are scary...

 

[bodecea]

Oh? Half the country? Are you counting Social Security and government worker pensions....like military retirement?

You believe military retirement falls under 'government assistance'?

Government worker pensions fall under 'government assistance'?

Nope....I was asking Obiwan if he was fudging his numbers by including those things.

Why would you even consider including them?

What study would?

Looks like more deflection

Think about how Obiwan would want to inflate his figures. Think about it for a bit....maybe it will come to you.

DID obiwan inflate his numbers?

Or are you just deflecting.

Interesting your post right after his.

 

[bodecea]

WillHaftawaite

The number was high because the site I had seen it in earlier didn't break it down... I found out it did actually include 15% of the population on Social Security, but it did not include pensions....

Which she/he/it included in the rant about you padding the numbers

As a question which he kindly answered...while you clutched your pearls.

 

[bodecea]

You could be the smartest person in the country an still cast an ignorant vote when you're not informed about politics

You do it every time

Says the drone who votes based on image rather than issues.

Kosh...is that you?

I caught that too. Hmmmmmm.

Of course you did. Morons think alike. Fairly common among simpletons

Speaking about clutching pearls and having the vapors...

 

[Freewill]

We have yet to address the way Republicans treat the first black President

Blacks ask, has a white President ever been welcomed with such hostility?

Left wing propaganda and Leftnutter can be counted on to eat it up every time.

Far from it

Blacks hear what is said on rightwing talk radio, spouted on boards like these and the constant attacks from Foxnews

Ask any black whether Obama is given a fair deal by Republicans and they will laugh at you

They would only say that if they believed the left wing spin. Hell Obama and Republican leadership are now BFFs considering their sell out of America with TPP.

 

[Auld Phart]

WillHaftawaite

The number was high because the site I had seen it in earlier didn't break it down... I found out it did actually include 15% of the population on Social Security, but it did not include pensions....

Which she/he/it included in the rant about you padding the numbers

As a question which he kindly answered...while you clutched your pearls.

Did you notice his numbers did NOT include military pensions, or government worker pensions?

are you STILL deflecting?

Will there EVER be a time when you admit you are wrong?

 

[reconmark]

"Why do blacks vote Democrat"? Because Republicans are scary...

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A made up photo in response to a real one showing the Nazi and Confederate Flags, typical for Conservatives not to get it...

 

[Delta4Embassy]

1) I think the Democratic Parties legions of race baiters (the race card) is a very effective tool in keeping racism alive and promoting mistrust, especially between the political parties.

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Because Republicans are the party of rich, white, Christian men. If not a rich white Christian man the only alternative (effectively) is the Democrats.

 

[Flash]

The Democrat Party is a coalition of all the despicable special interest groups in the US.

Blacks that vote their welfare checks.

Environmental Wackos

Greedy Union assholes

Anti gun nuts

Feminazis

Welfare queens

Confused college kids and their Marxist professors

Queers

Abortionists

Christian haters

Pot Heads

Illegal aliens

Socialists

etc

 

[Lumpy 1]

1) I think the Democratic Parties legions of race baiters (the race card) is a very effective tool in keeping racism alive and promoting mistrust, especially between the political parties.

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Because Republicans are the party of rich, white, Christian men. If not a rich white Christian man the only alternative (effectively) is the Democrats.

Gads Man, you could do with a slice of reality.

 

[JoeB131]

So, it follows that you would never blame Republicans for anything bad that's happened during the Obama years, otherwise you would be a total hypocrite, correct...Sheesh, I guess I should check your posts over the past 6 1/2 + years...

again, are you some kind of retard?

I blame Bush for WHAT HE WAS IN CHARGE OF. What his policies caused or did.

I mean, I know you guys want to think Barney Frank caused the housing meltdown because 20 years ago he had the gay sex with someone who worked at Fannie Mae.

But it was Bush and his appointees that were in charge when the car slammed into the wall.

 

[JoeB131]

Making assumptions there?? You must be desperate hurling insults such as "inbred." It is not my system of belief but yours what causes inbreeding.
The passage below talks about the jews (chosen people) not to intermarry with the gentiles (goyim)
"You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons.."
Deuteronomy 7:3

First, not sure where you got some delusion that I'm Jewish. YOu obviously haven't read any of my threads on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

For the record, I'm of German ancestry on my Dad's side, I was brought up Catholic until a nun told me at my Mom's funeral that God had a good reason for my mom to suffer from LIver Cancer for a year and a half. Then I became a belligerent atheist.

 

[Pogo]

If only changing parties or ideology was as easy as changing your pants.

But ingrained loyalty is hard to just drop. It has nothing to do with intelligence or give aways or anything like that. At some time in the past the blacks switched from the party that FREED them to the party that actually did put them in CHAINS. The same party that has not yet apologized for their past. Why doesn't someone apologize? Because they don't feel they have done anything wrong. So be it with the democrat party.

LBJ predicted he would have those n....ers voting democrat for 100 years and so far he has been right.

There are two huge con jobs that simply amaze me.

One is that the rich democrat aristocrats were able to talk the brave southern poor to charge into canister to protect the rich democrat way of life.

The other is how LBJ got blacks to change party.

Both should be in history book on how effective propaganda can really be.

Again, LBJ did not say that. I guess you are of the Party that thinks if they repeat a lie enough times.......

Maybe yes and maybe no. You can't prove a negative and the quote is in a book written about LBJ. If I were to argue for you that the quote really isn't that bad for the time. I wouldl say that using the N word was not out of fashion at the time and LBJ was a noted foul mouth. The rest of the quote certainly has proved to be true. So I am not sure why you shorts are in a knot, it is probably, if not truly an LBJ quote, a paraphrase of his racist sentiments.

Basically it's about people claiming quotes they can't prove. One guy who wrote in a book something that nobody else can corroborate, just doesn't meet the credibility test. If that's all it took, anyone at all could invent a quote they claim they heard, undocumented, and we'd have to accept it as fact. And that won't work.

What he is alleged to have noted about this, I think it was to Bill Moyers, was "we have lost the South for a generation" ("We" meaning Democrats), an acknowledgement of the party's (until then) bipolar relationship that simultaneously courted conservatives in the South and Liberals everywhere else. And he was right about that except he underestimated the time of "a generation".

Now, LBJ could have genuinely said it at least privately --- there is more credible evidence of his saying to a young attorney who was just joining his staff and proposing an obscure black judge for the Supreme Court, ""Son, when I appoint a n*gger to the court, I want everyone to know he's a n*gger".

From here:

The attorney never heard him speak about blacks that way again and felt that Johnson was playing a part and trying to create a kind of rapport between two "good old Southern boys" at their first meeting.
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The same book noted a similar quote from 1957: Sam, why won't you let this n*gger bill pass?" to Sam Rayburn.

Both of these accounts, as the attorney assesses, indicate the use of the word "n*gger" is what's called "mirroring" in psychology; establishing or maintaining a connection with the conversant. In other words "n*gger would not be about the subject, but about the person he was talking to. And if there's one thing Johnson was known for above all, it was his powers of persuasion. And playing the role within the context of the South was crucial in doing so:

the very naked reality was that if you did take a position [in civil rights] it was almost certain you would be defeated... by a bigot. (ibid, p. 99)​

Jimmy Carter faced the same conundrum early in his political career. So did George Wallace, whose early defeat led Wallace to remark he would never allow an opponent to "out-n*gger me again".

Finally, the use of the word "n*gger" doesn't necessarily indicate racism in itself; actions do. And while the accompanying text from the link above illustrates Johnson's history in civil rights dating back to the 1930s, clearly these two examples use the word as a psychological device. Not a "paraphrase of his racism" -- that just doesn't add up.

Which serves quite well to explain your next part here:

Here is an discussion about LBJ from another site. Interesting that LBJ is truly the one that had a southern strategy based solely on race.

From 1940 to 1960 Johnson voted with the South 78% on civil rights issues. Before 1957, voted 100% against civil rights issues. He also voted against the C.R.A. of 1957 and 1960.

LBJ reversed his position on race 180%, likely because he was a consumate politico who realized he was going to need the black vote, rather than any sense of brotherhood or equality. In Congress, LBJ repeatedly voted against legislation to protect black Americans from lynching. As a Senate leader he did his best to cripple the C.R.A. of 1957 managing to reduce it to an act of mere symbolism by taking out the enforcement provisions before sending it to Eisenhower. Dem colleague Strom Thurmond staged the longest filibuster in history up to that point, speaking for 24 hours in a failed attempt to block the bill.

In 1960 another C.R.A. was introduced to try to correct the LBJ deficiencies of the 1957 act, and Senate Democrats again staged a record-setting filibuster. In both cases, LBJ petitioned the northeastern Kennedy liberals to credit him for having seen to the law’s passage while at the same time boasting to southern Democrats that he had cut the legs out from under the legislation.

Johnson later explained it: “These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days, and that’s a problem for us, since they’ve got something now they never had before: the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this — we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.”

That's another quote that has no documented source. It's become an internet Google Image meme but it has no historical root. And the Thurmond filibuster, 24 hours and 18 minutes, which still stands as a record that has never been surpassed, backfired on Thurmond, didn't change a single vote, and was seen even by his Southern colleages as a betrayal. Thurmond had already been kicked off the ballot by the South Carolina Democratic Party for his endorsement of Eisenhower in 1952 (he actually won re-election as a write-in, not a Democrat).

EDIT: More about this from my recent post in another thread, here

The opposition to civil rights was still somewhat prevalant in the Dem party at the time, excepting the northeastern liberal wing. They again filibustered the 64 C.R.A (for 57 days) and a (much) larger percentage of Republicans than Democrats in both houses of Congress voted for it. In the House, 80 percent of the Republicans and 63 percent of the Democrats voted in favor. In the Senate, 82 percent of the Republicans and 69 percent of the Democrats voted for it.

Did LBJ really say I ll have those n s voting Democrat for two-hundred years when passing the Great Society legislation - Quora

Actually it was prevalent only in the South; the "liberal wing" was the entire rest of the country, so actually it was the South that was a "wing" until 1964, which was both preceded and followed chronologically by over a century of fraternal rebellion as late as 1972 and as far back as 1860. And again, about that supposed "reversal", see the link illustrating a history all the way back to the 1930s that puts that to rest.

As for the percentage of that vote on CRA '64, that's just flat out wrong. I've posted this a dozen times before but here it comes yet again:

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
• >>> ALL SOUTHERNERS: 7-97 (6.7%--93.3%)

• Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94 – 6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85 – 15%)
• >>> ALL NORTHERNERS: 283-33 (89.6%--11.4%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
• Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)
• ALL SOUTHERNERS: 1--21 (4.5%--95.5%)
• ALL NORTHERNERS: 72--6 (92.3%--7.7%)

Totaled up, these votes do show a slight pattern of party in that each line shows more support from the D side than the R side. But again, 94 versus 85 on one side --- that's not significant.

But 96 on one side versus 92 on the other side?? You just hit the motherlode. That is a pattern.

But that pattern is regional, not political. And regional means cultural.

You take the numbers from the North -- both Dems and Repubs are for it.
You take the numbers from the South -- both Dems and Repubs are agin' it.
It's truly bipartisan in both directions. (!)

So enough of this politics-as-football-score invention. What we're describing has to do with regional culture and history specific to that region --- not political parties. Johnson's POV and thrust of idealism wasn't the result of being a "Democrat" --- it emanated from his being a Southerner, and a Texan.

In short, there is no simple algebraic equation telling us "Democrat votes X, Y, Z in year A mean racism or not-racism". It just isn't anywhere near as simple as that.

 

[Ame®icano]

 

[Ernie S.]

So, it follows that you would never blame Republicans for anything bad that's happened during the Obama years, otherwise you would be a total hypocrite, correct...Sheesh, I guess I should check your posts over the past 6 1/2 + years...

again, are you some kind of retard?

I blame Bush for WHAT HE WAS IN CHARGE OF. What his policies caused or did.

I mean, I know you guys want to think Barney Frank caused the housing meltdown because 20 years ago he had the gay sex with someone who worked at Fannie Mae.

But it was Bush and his appointees that were in charge when the car slammed into the wall.

Yup blame Boooosh, you fool. Bush tried to rein in Freddy and Fannie, His Secretary of the Treasury tried, Fed Chairman Greenspan tried and John McCain tried.
Barney Frank and Chuch Schumer said Fannie and Freddy were fine and blocked GOP legislation that may have prevented the collapse.



Watch and feel free to eat your words.