Why do Blacks vote Democrat?

[MarcATL]

"Blacks and whites live in Detroit, Chicago, and Baltimore."

Who's having the problems in those cities?

Blacks, or whites?

Both but what difference does that make for the poor whites in the states run by republicans?

Keep deflecting back to poor states, where EVERYONE is having problems, away from cities like Chicago, (multiple murders weekly), Detroit, (people are afraid to live in large areas of town because of gangs), Baltimore, (we just saw a police commissioner fired because he wasn't able do his job because the idiot mayor figuratively handcuffed him).

all 3 run by democrats for well over half a century.

and those 3 are far from being the ONLY shitholes under the democratic thumb.

Red States = Welfare States

A result so decades of failed Republican policies meant to keep people in poverty

Welfare states?

based on?

Facts -

Post of the thread.

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[MarcATL]

Asclepias

I'm serious, and it's actually gotten to where half the country is on some form of government assistance under Obama. Does THAT sound like success????

I have the suspicion you dont understand the events and dynamics that make up the reasons why more people are on GA. You cant be that simple minded to think its just because of democrats are you?

Yes, he is. It's because he and his ilk are Uber partisans, first and foremost. Party over country you see.

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[rightwinger]

It should be easy for Republicans to get blacks to vote Republican. All they need to do is go into black neighborhoods and explain why their lives would be so much better under Republican leadership

The first problem is Republicans won't go near a black neighborhood

 

[bedowin62]

because they are brainwashed

DUH

 

[Auld Phart]

Grew up in one. First girlfriend was black, 50 years ago.

And you're right, I wouldn't go back to that neighborhood.

not without body armor anyway

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans just need to go into black neighborhoods and explain to people that they are too stupid to vote republican and are only looking for free stuff

Explain that Republicans cutting programs on which they feed their children is for their own good

 

[bedowin62]

Republicans just need to go into black neighborhoods and explain to people that they are too stupid to vote republican and are only looking for free stuff

Explain that Republicans cutting programs on which they feed their children is for their own good

YAWN


gotta love a leftard admitting the Left's brainwashing has been complete

 

[bedowin62]

Black people arent stupid; they are brainwashed leftard

there's a difference

they are bombarded daily with propaganda telling them all is hopeless and the only way out is to rely on Uncle Sam to save them

 

[MarcATL]

Yep-I am sure that African Americans love being told by Conservatives that the reason they vote Democrat is because all African Americans are too stupid not to.

If they were born here, they're just Americans.

We are all Americans.

And those Americans who happen to have a darker shade of skin- whom the OP refers to as "Why do Blacks vote Democrat"- I am sure- appreciate being told by Conservatives that the reason 'blacks' vote Democrat is because Conservatives think Blacks are too stupid to know that they shouldn't.

That's not what he said. It's actually a great question. The black community in general is strong on religion and family values. These are Republican values and are generally not championed by Democrats.

No, they're not "Republican" values. They're not even political values; they're social ones. The only reason they're mythtified to be Republican values is that Moral Majority shit that Jerry Falwell and his ilk dumped on the system, bringing religion and so-called "social conservatism" into a realm where it has no business -- politics. And because it was conservative-based the MM synched with the RP, leaving by process of assumed elimination this latter-day myth that "Democrats", or "Liberals", or "the left", whatever the bogeyman of the moment is, are made up of godless immoral pedophiliac perverted fornicating baby eaters. It's another simplistic demonization ploy like the one of the Red Scare daze that deliberately conflated "Liberal" with "communist" (after already conflating "communist" with "Satan"). It's the kind of deliberate haze that clouds intelligent discourse. Sorry.

Republicans believe that people of color do not need the white man's help to have success. We have enough faith in the black community that they can achieve according to their own merits. We actually think it is insulting to the black community to suggest that they need the white man's help to achieve. Democrats clearly don't feel that way judging by their policies and their approach.

My honest belief is that Democratic politicians don't WANT to get blacks or any other minority out of poverty or in a better place in life. Democratic voters do but the politicians don't. Generally when a group starts to have success and they gain money they want to protect it. When you are a tax payer you tend to look fondly on Republican ideals. When you are a tax receiver you look at the Democrats favorably. So getting people out of poverty is the last thing the Democratic politicians want to do because it potentially diminishes their voting block.

That's a popular conspiracy theory -- it's certainly been floated here often enough --- but not at all realistic IMHO. It imagines some colossal grand plan operated presumably by a man behind a curtain and it's more than a little paranoid.

The fact is the black vote started demonstrably going Democratic in FDR's first election (1932), and saw significant spikes in 1948 and 1964... 1932 of course was a huge vote for FDR as a quest for relief against the ravages of the Depression, appealing to the poor, the unemployed, the lower classes --- those most affected by the economic collapse. Add to this that the DP had taken on the Populist movement with the turn of the century while the RP had been shifting to the interests of corporations and the rich, and that the "Progressive" era policies both parties flirted with were largely embraced in Roosevelt's New Deal, and these are the seeds of the DP attracting minorities and the poor in general, including blacks, Jews, Catholics and immigrants.

While these may have been attractions to the DP for these constituencies, probably two factors acted as repulsion away from the RP: first, its association with the rich and hyper-rich around the turn of the century, and later, the association with the "Moral Majority". Both of these are polarizing dynamics that establish a meritocratic hierarchy. People don't go where they don't feel welcome.

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It wasn't until 1948 though that most blacks self-identifed as "Democrats":

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-- 1948 would be when Harry Truman had integrated the military and the DP convention made so much noise about "civil rights" including a stirring speech by Minneapolis Mayor Hubert Humphrey, that an entire contingent from the South walked out, started their own short-lived party, ran a candidate and very nearly cost Truman the election.

From the source of these charts:

Even after that, Republican nominees continued to get a large slice of the black vote for several elections. Dwight D. Eisenhower got 39 percent in 1956, and Richard Nixon got 32 percent in his narrow loss to John F. Kennedy in 1960.

But then President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 (outlawing segregation in public places) and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, still a record for any presidential election.
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I think a lot of posters here are looking at far too little historical perspective --- this didn't come about from O'bama or in the last ten or twenty years; it's been the pattern as long as almost all of us have been alive. And its roots are really the same as any other constituency's preference-- they gravitate to where they see their interests best represented.

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I will guarantee you.....I will absolutely guarantee you that there was some freshman congressman that said "HEY! We have total power! The Republicans can't do a single thing to stop us! Let's get this done!" and some senior Democrat said "son...if we do that, they have no reason to vote for us anymore." Yeah that's a hell of a party to belong to. So I will tell you why they didn't do it....it is in their best interests to make the promise and it's not in their best interests to keep it.

Again I think this is conspiracy-theory paranoia that gets generated and then amplified in internet echo chambers. It's always tempting to look at a chain of events and imagine how some grand plan might have brought it about intentionally. The truth is Doctor Evil doesn't really exist, the best-laid plans of mice and men do go astray, and the events that happen through our lives are much more random than such grandiose schemes could ever be capable of.

Nailed it. New post of the thread.

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[bedowin62]

the Left's message is one of hopelessness and despair

it says to minorities that virtually nothing they try is going to succeed on account of "institutional racism" and they need to sit back and be as reliant on the government as they can be; as sort of a reparations for injustices done to their ancesters

 

[bedowin62]

the longer the post the less it says

libs are losers; and they need studies where they started out with the conclusion they wanted and worked backward

nobody the Left panders to has or will ever read that moronic piece of propaganda

 

[MarcATL]

Both but what difference does that make for the poor whites in the states run by republicans?

Keep deflecting back to poor states, where EVERYONE is having problems, away from cities like Chicago, (multiple murders weekly), Detroit, (people are afraid to live in large areas of town because of gangs), Baltimore, (we just saw a police commissioner fired because he wasn't able do his job because the idiot mayor figuratively handcuffed him).

all 3 run by democrats for well over half a century.

and those 3 are far from being the ONLY shitholes under the democratic thumb.

I wasnt deflecting I was talking about the poor republican run states and you deflected to Detroit and Chicago. Dont get mad because I pointed that out.

and the discussion prior to that was minority neighborhoods voting against their best interests.

You brought up red states shorty after.

See # 60 and # 63.

and with that,

goodbye

The comment I responded to was you saying repubs voted against their best interests. I agreed citing the poorest states in the union being run by repubs.

and the discussion was cities.

you deflected to states.


have a nice night.

Your argument was that Democratic policies cause poverty in the cities, so naturally when pointed to the fact that Republican policies cause poverty in states, you head for the hills like a coward.

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[bedowin62]

Black people will continue to suffer far more than others four hundred years into their presence here; on account of that loyalty to the Demcorat Party

 

[bedowin62]

the most poverty-sticken parts of Red states are where most of the "Blue" people live

try again

 

[bedowin62]

generally Red state poverty is because of the rural areas where there is little job opportunity


inner city poverty is because of pandering Progressive policies

 

[bedowin62]

red states are becoming richer blue states are becomng poorer

jobs and people are moving from red states to blue states

 

[rightwinger]

Republicans just need to go into black neighborhoods and explain to people that they are too stupid to vote republican and are only looking for free stuff

Explain that Republicans cutting programs on which they feed their children is for their own good

YAWN


gotta love a leftard admitting the Left's brainwashing has been complete

Why don't Republicans go into black neighborhoods?
Should be easy to explain why peoples lives would be so much better under Republican leadership

Sadly, the only thing Republicans are willing to do for minority neighborhoods is build more prisons

 

[rightwinger]

Black people will continue to suffer far more than others four hundred years into their presence here; on account of that loyalty to the Demcorat Party

What are Republicans offering?

Be specific

 

[bedowin62]

Without ever knowing them personally as a human being; black liberals will bitterly ridicule Black people even thinking of straying off the Progressive Plantation.; Nobody wants to be called a traitor, sellout...etc. Of course the Left's totalitarian attitudes toward Black people have a chilling effect on freedom

 

[bedowin62]

Black people will continue to suffer far more than others four hundred years into their presence here; on account of that loyalty to the Demcorat Party

What are Republicans offering?

Be specific

intellectual freedom for starters jackwagon

the opportunity to express yourself freely without some loser Prog trying to take your whole racial identity away, and lable you a traitor