Why Do "Desperate Democrats" Strongly Appose Voter Photo I.D. Requirement For 2012 ?

[Truthmatters]

IDs will keep legal American voters from voting and provide no protection against the very type of fraud tthe right pretends exsists.

 

[Chris]

Earlier this year, Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) signed a sweeping bill intended to make it harder to vote in his states’ elections. Kasich’s anti-voter law drastically cuts back on early voting and erects new barriers for absentee and even for election day voters. Today, however, opponents of Kasich’s war on voting will submit over 300,000 signatures to the Secretary of State’s office — well over the 231,000 signatures necessary to suspend the law until it can be challenged in a referendum in November of 2012. If enough of the signatures are deemed valid, the practical effect of this petition will be that Kasich’s law will not be in effect during the 2012 presidential elections when Republicans hoped the law would weaken President Obama’s efforts to turn out early voters who support his reelection.

The BRAD BLOG : Ohio's Anti-Voting Law Suspended as 300,000 Petition to Put it Onto the Ballot in 2012

 

[M14 Shooter]

Earlier this year, Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) signed a sweeping bill intended to make it harder to vote in his states’ elections.

This is a blatant, manevolent mischaraterization masquerading as a lie, as no such intent exists.

 

[Chris]

A wave of voter suppression legislation is emerging from newly elected GOP governors and Republican legislators that would make it much more difficult for traditional Democratic constituencies to vote -- just in time for the 2012 election. About a dozen states are are actively considering legislation that would make voting much more difficult for college students, minorities, the elderly and the disabled. In some states, like Ohio, it is estimated that close to one million people would be affected by these changes.

An editorial in the New York Times linked this wave of voter suppression to the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). On ALEC's website, there is a "Voter ID Act" link that is only accessible to members. But Campus Progress obtained a copy of the ALEC Voter ID Model Legislation that provides a roadmap to this coordinated assault on voter rights. Most of the bills being debated require a specific list of state-issued IDs to vote, like a birth certificate, or in Texas, a handgun license. Some end "same day" voter registration often used by students. In others, college student IDs are often not acceptable or other hurdles are created. College students were a key demographic in President Obama's successful 2008 campaign.

Ohio
House Bill 159 was passed on March 23, 2011 by the Republican-led Assembly and is now awaiting a Senate vote. HB 159 would require all voters to show a government-issued photo ID to cast a ballot in person. Five forms of photo identification make the bill's list: an Ohio driver's license, state ID card, military ID, U.S. passport or a new photo ID being issued by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles to citizens who qualify. College IDs would be unacceptable.

Those who oppose the bill say close to 1 million voters in Ohio will be disenfranchised. Rock The Vote, a campaign protesting the changes, says: "Under this bill, more than 600,000 students in Ohio would be restricted from using their student IDs to vote and over 40,000 out-of-state students who are legally registered Ohio voters would be out-of-luck. An estimated 25 percent of African Americans and 18 percent of seniors wouldn't have the right kind of photo ID under HB 159."

Voter Suppression Bills Sweep the Country | Center for Media and Democracy

 

[Care4all]

Earlier this year, Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) signed a sweeping bill intended to make it harder to vote in his states’ elections.

This is a blatant, manevolent mischaraterization masquerading as a lie, as no such intent exists.

so, for consistency in your stance, isn't it a malevolent characterization for those on the right to continually claim that I and other liberals don't believe in gvt photo id laws because we like and want voter fraud to take place?

 

[jillian]

Earlier this year, Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) signed a sweeping bill intended to make it harder to vote in his states’ elections.

This is a blatant, manevolent mischaraterization masquerading as a lie, as no such intent exists.

so, for consistency in your stance, isn't it a malevolent characterization for those on the right to continually claim that I and other liberals don't believe in gvt photo id laws because we like and want voter fraud to take place?

of course it is. but they don't let facts get in their way.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Ohio
House Bill 159 was passed on March 23, 2011 by the Republican-led Assembly and is now awaiting a Senate vote. HB 159 would require all voters to show a government-issued photo ID to cast a ballot in person. Five forms of photo identification make the bill's list: an Ohio driver's license, state ID card, military ID, U.S. passport or a new photo ID being issued by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles to citizens who qualify. College IDs would be unacceptable.

Excellent!

Those who oppose the bill say close to 1 million voters in Ohio will be disenfranchised.

Without any substantiation whatseover.

 

[M14 Shooter]

This is a blatant, manevolent mischaraterization masquerading as a lie, as no such intent exists.

so, for consistency in your stance, isn't it a malevolent characterization for those on the right to continually claim that I and other liberals don't believe in gvt photo id laws because we like and want voter fraud to take place?

of course it is. but they don't let facts get in their way.

Hey! Long time no see!
How's my favorite fraud?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Earlier this year, Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R) signed a sweeping bill intended to make it harder to vote in his states’ elections.

This is a blatant, manevolent mischaraterization masquerading as a lie, as no such intent exists.

so, for consistency in your stance, isn't it a malevolent characterization for those on the right to continually claim that I and other liberals don't believe in gvt photo id laws because we like and want voter fraud to take place?

If not that, then what -is- the basis of said liberal opposition?

There is a compelling state interest in making sure people are who they say they are when the show up to vote. Requiring a photo ID is the least restrictive means to that end.

 

[Care4all]

across the country it could be millions....in georgia, they said in one of the articles i posted above, that 150,000 voters voted in 2004, that did not have gvt id's......not certain how the article came up with that, but if there are just 10 states with the 150k citizens without gvt photo id, it brings it in the million plus.

 

[Uncensored2008]

i am guessing you did not read the articles posted that went over this?

btw are student id's all gvt approved id's to use to vote?

It's a picture ID, sounds like it meets the standard

Of the 20 states that require some sort of identification, only 5 require picture ID. Indiana for instance, accepts Student ID or even employer ID that lists the name and address of the person.

 

[Care4all]

This is a blatant, manevolent mischaraterization masquerading as a lie, as no such intent exists.

so, for consistency in your stance, isn't it a malevolent characterization for those on the right to continually claim that I and other liberals don't believe in gvt photo id laws because we like and want voter fraud to take place?

If not that, then what -is- the basis of said liberal opposition?

There is a compelling state interest in making sure people are who they say they are when the show up to vote. Requiring a photo ID is the least restrictive means to that end.

how would the picture id stop voter fraud at the polling places from occuring? do you have any facts or charges of voter fraud that you can show us that has been taking place that would have been stopped if they had a gvt photo id? cuz as far as illegals are concerned, most all of them have a driver's license and gvt photo id....so what rampant fraud is it that you think forcing every citizen to get a gvt id will solve?

any person in any of those states can just use the absentee voting and not have to show a photo id

 

[M14 Shooter]

i am guessing you did not read the articles posted that went over this?

btw are student id's all gvt approved id's to use to vote?

It's a picture ID, sounds like it meets the standard

Of the 20 states that require some sort of identification, only 5 require picture ID. Indiana for instance, accepts Student ID or even employer ID that lists the name and address of the person.

Right. Most student IDs do not have an address, and so are useless for voter ID.

 

[M14 Shooter]

so, for consistency in your stance, isn't it a malevolent characterization for those on the right to continually claim that I and other liberals don't believe in gvt photo id laws because we like and want voter fraud to take place?

If not that, then what -is- the basis of said liberal opposition?

There is a compelling state interest in making sure people are who they say they are when the show up to vote. Requiring a photo ID is the least restrictive means to that end.

how would the picture id stop voter fraud at the polling places from occuring? do you have any facts or charges of voter fraud that you can show us that has been taking place that would have been stopped if they had a gvt photo id? cuz as far as illegals are concerned, most all of them have a driver's license and gvt photo id....so what rampant fraud is it that you think forcing every citizen to get a gvt id will solve?

any person in any of those states can just use the absentee voting and not have to show a photo id

You did not answer my question.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Hey! Long time no see!
How's my favorite fraud?

Jillian? She's dumb as a bag of hammers, as always.

 

[Chris]

Despite the fears raised by some, widespread voter fraud remains more myth than reality. Wendy Weiser, of the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University Scool of Law, said most studies have shown that voter fraud is typically isolated and almost never affects the outcome of elections. Weiser said that in problem cases, the issue is almost never someone voting under an assumed name, but rather issues with procedures followed by election officials or improper handling of ballots or election machinery.

"This issue is way overblown," Weiser said. "And to the extent that there is any problem at all, photo IDs would help nothing."

Still, the fear of voter fraud has energized the Republican Party across the country, and several photo ID drives are under way. A 2004 study in Ohio showed that the voter fraud rate for that state was .00004 percent. Yet, this year Ohio lawmakers are debating two voter ID bills.

As voter ID bill heads toward passage, the only certainty is a high price tag

 

[Foxfyre]

In my opinion it should not be made 'easy' to vote. People should be responsible enough to go through the effort to go to an authorized place to show positive ID and register to vote. Registration should be closed far enough ahead of the election to verify all registrations before the vote is taken.

An absentee ballot system should require going to an authorized location, showing positive ID, and picking up a very-difficult-to-forge ballot that should be returned in time to be counted on election day along with everybody else.

If you move to a different precinct during that waiting period, you should make it your responsibility to get back to your old precinct to vote.

You should get yourself to a bonafide polling place, show your positive ID, and vote even if it means standing in line for awhile to do so as it used to do.

Such a system would go a long way to restoring the integrity of the process, and would ensure that it was informed, concerned citizens who actually cared about the process who would vote.

It would disenfranchise nobody. Those who don't care enough to inconvenience themselves a bit shouldn't be voting anyway.

 

[Chris]

In Wisconsin, the law would would require a photo ID for the first time in Wisconsin history and only a very narrow range of ID's would qualify. Voters would have to show a Wisconsin driver's licenses, state-issued ID cards, military IDs, passports, naturalization certificates, IDs issued by a Native American tribe based in Wisconsin or certain student IDs. Students not living in dorms would have to show fee payment receipts. Common Cause Wisconsin characterizes the Wisconsin measure as "the most restrictive, blatantly partisan and ill-conceived voter identification legislation in the nation."

While Governor Scott Walker has pushed forward an anti-union agenda with gusto and justified the push by repeating that "Wisconsin is broke," money is apparently not a concern when it comes to voter suppression. AB-7 is expected to cost the state some $5.7 million. That includes $2.2 million for the Government Accountability Board, almost $2 million for the Transportation Department (to cover employee expenses and the cost of free IDs) and more than $1.6 million if universities chose to remake student IDs.

Wisconsin's Voter ID bill is up for debate in the state Assembly this week and is expected to pass. The Isthmus reports that there were some modest changes to the bill in committee: "Most significantly, the Assembly version would include university-issued student identification cards as an acceptable form of ID. But there's a catch: the student IDs must include a current address, birth date, signature and expiration date -- requirements no college or university in Wisconsin currently meets."

Voter Suppression Bills Sweep the Country | Center for Media and Democracy

 

[M14 Shooter]

Hey! Long time no see!
How's my favorite fraud?

Jillian? She's dumb as a bag of hammers, as always.

And claims to be a lawyer, no less.
:roll:

 

[Uncensored2008]

In my opinion it should not be made 'easy' to vote. People should be responsible enough to go through the effort to go to an authorized place to show positive ID and register to vote. Registration should be closed far enough ahead of the election to verify all registrations before the vote is taken.

An absentee ballot system should require going to an authorized location, showing positive ID, and picking up a very-difficult-to-forge ballot that should be returned in time to be counted on election day along with everybody else.

If you move to a different precinct during that waiting period, you should make it your responsibility to get back to your old precinct to vote.

You should get yourself to a bonafide polling place, show your positive ID, and vote even if it means standing in line for awhile to do so as it used to do.

Such a system would go a long way to restoring the integrity of the process, and would ensure that it was informed, concerned citizens who actually cared about the process who would vote.

It would disenfranchise nobody. Those who don't care enough to inconvenience themselves a bit shouldn't be voting anyway.

Yeah, but if they make it too difficult, it will take more than $20 to get an illegal to vote for Obama. We must consider the ACORN budget in this....