Why do liberals hate Christianity ?

[Kosh]

As the term is used today, still tough to pigeonhole all of the people who were part of the rebellion. They also differed on religion, from the faithful Adams, to the questioning Jefferson, to the agnostic Franklin. And Adams, among others, was against slavery; Jefferson torn, but lived in his times. He wrote a volume or so on the subject. Jefferson was out of the country through most of the convention, but got his two cents in through others; fist fights broke out, the question of slavery the hottest issue. Jefferson believed it would die out as an institution, Adams thought that wasn't quick enough, but gritted his teeth, as the southern states were necessary to form the union. Their letters to each other are fascinating.

Abigail Adams was so radical, she brought up the subject of women voting! Revolutionaries at their finest.

Far left history revision at it's finest!

America will be far protected from the goons' revisionism if the Peaches are teaching our students.

We already have a problem in schools with the far left teaching revisionist history such as this.

That is why the far left is such a problem.

 

[Kosh]

OK, some of you are not sound on Founders' religious beliefs.

Proto-evangelicals: John Jay, Patrick Henry
Deists: Thomas Paine, Ethan Allen
Polytheist: Benjamin Franklin, a fan of the power of demi-urges
George Washington: weak Christian, refused to take communion
John Adams: a Unitarian on good days
Thomas Jefferson: a Deist who loved the moral teachings and humanity of Jesus
James Madison: weak Christian
James Monroe: a traditional Christian
J Q Adams: more traditional Christian than his dad
Andrew Jakcson: traditional Christian

Both Jefferson and Madison fought the delay game to keep Governor Patrick Henry from managing a passage of legislation to make the Christian Religion the established religion of Virginia.

Again more far left revisionist history!

Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and two were Roman Catholics (D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons).[citation needed] Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.[citation needed]

A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson[21][22][23] (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin.[24] Others (most notably Thomas Paine, who authored the religious book The Age of Reason[25]) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.[26]

Historian Gregg L. Frazer argues that the leading Founders (Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Wilson, Morris, Madison, Hamilton, and Washington) were neither Christians nor Deists, but rather supporters of a hybrid "theistic rationalism".[27]

The Treaty of Tripoli, states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"[28] and was passed unanimously by the Senate and signed by President John Adams.

Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However for any far left poster to claim that this country was not founded on religion is definitely not connected to reality.

......" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness:.......

 

[KNB]

Yeah, the far left is revising history. The far left are trying to revise history by arguing that Hitler was Progressive...... Oh, wait, no. That's the far right arguing that.

The far left is trying to argue that Bush didn't lie to invade Iraq even though declassified documents from the Bush administration prove it...... No, that's the far right again.

The far left want God taken out of public schools!...... Oh, no. That was the First Amendment.

Liberals support terrorism!....... No, that was mostly Reagan.

Hmm...... The far fat right needs to get out of its motorized fat person wheelchair and pull its fat head out of its collective fat ass.

 

[Pogo]

OK, some of you are not sound on Founders' religious beliefs.

Proto-evangelicals: John Jay, Patrick Henry
Deists: Thomas Paine, Ethan Allen
Polytheist: Benjamin Franklin, a fan of the power of demi-urges
George Washington: weak Christian, refused to take communion
John Adams: a Unitarian on good days
Thomas Jefferson: a Deist who loved the moral teachings and humanity of Jesus
James Madison: weak Christian
James Monroe: a traditional Christian
J Q Adams: more traditional Christian than his dad
Andrew Jakcson: traditional Christian

Both Jefferson and Madison fought the delay game to keep Governor Patrick Henry from managing a passage of legislation to make the Christian Religion the established religion of Virginia.

Again more far left revisionist history!

Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and two were Roman Catholics (D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons).[citation needed] Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.[citation needed]

A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson[21][22][23] (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin.[24] Others (most notably Thomas Paine, who authored the religious book The Age of Reason[25]) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.[26]

Historian Gregg L. Frazer argues that the leading Founders (Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Wilson, Morris, Madison, Hamilton, and Washington) were neither Christians nor Deists, but rather supporters of a hybrid "theistic rationalism".[27]

The Treaty of Tripoli, states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"[28] and was passed unanimously by the Senate and signed by President John Adams.

Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However for any far left poster to claim that this country was not founded on religion is definitely not connected to reality.

......" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness:.......

Oh look! Shiny objects! Let's get all hung up on a survey of the Founders' religions!

The point was that the poster back there (Freewill) tried to argue that this country's founding was based on religion, rather than philosophy. And to do that he made the same mistake you just did: confused the Declaration of Independence with a founding document.

Point stands: we are founded on a philosophy, not a religion, and that philosophy is called Liberalism.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Btw you left out Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton and a few more minor luminaries. But I love the irony.

So now this vast list of Deist Founders is now up to what, 5 out of at least 75? lol

It's the Norwegian's hangup, not mine. The original point was this:

"Christianity is the majority religion that provided the founding principles to which this country was formed" -- HORSEshit. The founding principles come from philosophy -- definitely not religion.

Wacko.

Message boards and threads like this really bring out the deep level of blind ignorance that sadly exists out there -- somewhere...

Well you have expressed you opinion and just as I said, you are stating it as you are the end of all things.

But let us look at what real men swore their sacred honor too, note the word sacred. They staked their very lives on signing the document with these very words:

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights

Got that? The poster (Freewill) is trying to sell this canard that the presence of the word "God" in the Declaration of Independence -- not the Constitution, mind you, but the document that tells Great Britain to sod off -- means that "Christianity is the majority religion that provided the founding principles to which this country was formed". That's his basis, which is, again, horseshit. I noted their philosophical basis and cited Deism as one of those philosophies. Which it clearly was.

Correct.

The Declaration of Independence is a political, not legal, document, and is devoid of legal authority consequently.

Moreover, there’s no evidence to suggest that the reference to ‘god’ is a reference to a ‘Christian’ god, or a deity of any religion, for that matter, or that the reference is an ‘endorsement’ of Christianity.

The United States is a secular Constitutional Republic, whose citizens are subject solely to the rule of law, not men or the church, as both are incapable of ruling justly.

 

[HUGGY]

they rarely say anything bad about Islam, they will even label someone who does as hateful, racist, or intolerant,but when it comes to Christianity a lot of liberals do not hesitate to tout the so called evils of the Christian faith ....Why ??

The poor crisptions.. They can't buy a break...

 

[Pogo]

So now this vast list of Deist Founders is now up to what, 5 out of at least 75? lol

It's the Norwegian's hangup, not mine. The original point was this:

Well you have expressed you opinion and just as I said, you are stating it as you are the end of all things.

But let us look at what real men swore their sacred honor too, note the word sacred. They staked their very lives on signing the document with these very words:

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights

Got that? The poster (Freewill) is trying to sell this canard that the presence of the word "God" in the Declaration of Independence -- not the Constitution, mind you, but the document that tells Great Britain to sod off -- means that "Christianity is the majority religion that provided the founding principles to which this country was formed". That's his basis, which is, again, horseshit. I noted their philosophical basis and cited Deism as one of those philosophies. Which it clearly was.

Correct.

The Declaration of Independence is a political, not legal, document, and is devoid of legal authority consequently.

Moreover, there’s no evidence to suggest that the reference to ‘god’ is a reference to a ‘Christian’ god, or a deity of any religion, for that matter, or that the reference is an ‘endorsement’ of Christianity.

The United States is a secular Constitutional Republic, whose citizens are subject solely to the rule of law, not men or the church, as both are incapable of ruling justly.

I'm mildly surprised that two of them tried to get away with that one.

 

[Kosh]

OK, some of you are not sound on Founders' religious beliefs.

Proto-evangelicals: John Jay, Patrick Henry
Deists: Thomas Paine, Ethan Allen
Polytheist: Benjamin Franklin, a fan of the power of demi-urges
George Washington: weak Christian, refused to take communion
John Adams: a Unitarian on good days
Thomas Jefferson: a Deist who loved the moral teachings and humanity of Jesus
James Madison: weak Christian
James Monroe: a traditional Christian
J Q Adams: more traditional Christian than his dad
Andrew Jakcson: traditional Christian

Both Jefferson and Madison fought the delay game to keep Governor Patrick Henry from managing a passage of legislation to make the Christian Religion the established religion of Virginia.

Again more far left revisionist history!

Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and two were Roman Catholics (D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons).[citation needed] Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.[citation needed]

A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson[21][22][23] (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin.[24] Others (most notably Thomas Paine, who authored the religious book The Age of Reason[25]) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.[26]

Historian Gregg L. Frazer argues that the leading Founders (Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Wilson, Morris, Madison, Hamilton, and Washington) were neither Christians nor Deists, but rather supporters of a hybrid "theistic rationalism".[27]

The Treaty of Tripoli, states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"[28] and was passed unanimously by the Senate and signed by President John Adams.

Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However for any far left poster to claim that this country was not founded on religion is definitely not connected to reality.

......" We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness:.......

Oh look! Shiny objects! Let's get all hung up on a survey of the Founders' religions!

The point was that the poster back there (Freewill) tried to argue that this country's founding was based on religion, rather than philosophy. And to do that he made the same mistake you just did: confused the Declaration of Independence with a founding document.

Point stands: we are founded on a philosophy, not a religion, and that philosophy is called Liberalism.

No the far left will se things that way of course.

It was a religious philosophy that was the back bone of the Constitution.

That is why it is the Declaration of Independence.

Any far left poster believe that the country was founded on liberalism is definitely not connected to reality.

 

[Kosh]

So now this vast list of Deist Founders is now up to what, 5 out of at least 75? lol

It's the Norwegian's hangup, not mine. The original point was this:

Well you have expressed you opinion and just as I said, you are stating it as you are the end of all things.

But let us look at what real men swore their sacred honor too, note the word sacred. They staked their very lives on signing the document with these very words:

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights

Got that? The poster (Freewill) is trying to sell this canard that the presence of the word "God" in the Declaration of Independence -- not the Constitution, mind you, but the document that tells Great Britain to sod off -- means that "Christianity is the majority religion that provided the founding principles to which this country was formed". That's his basis, which is, again, horseshit. I noted their philosophical basis and cited Deism as one of those philosophies. Which it clearly was.

Correct.

The Declaration of Independence is a political, not legal, document, and is devoid of legal authority consequently.

Moreover, there’s no evidence to suggest that the reference to ‘god’ is a reference to a ‘Christian’ god, or a deity of any religion, for that matter, or that the reference is an ‘endorsement’ of Christianity.

The United States is a secular Constitutional Republic, whose citizens are subject solely to the rule of law, not men or the church, as both are incapable of ruling justly.

More far left propaganda based on faulty programming.

I see the far left will rewrite anything no matter how wrong it is.

The far left just keeps digging their hole even deeper, might as well let them dig a latrine. After all it is all they have got.

 

[KNB]

"Conservatives" during the Revolution sided with England, afraid of change.

If the US Constitution is founded on Christianity then why does the very first sentence of the very first Amendment read, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....."?

 

[Moonglow]

they rarely say anything bad about Islam, they will even label someone who does as hateful, racist, or intolerant,but when it comes to Christianity a lot of liberals do not hesitate to tout the so called evils of the Christian faith ....Why ??

You and your Arab brothers should all get together and have a large knife fight, those that come out alive can have the one true religion, since God is always on the victorious side.

 

[Moonglow]

"Conservatives" during the Revolution sided with England, afraid of change.

If the US Constitution is founded on Christianity then why does the very first sentence of the very first Amendment read, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....."?

The didn't want European style national churches that had forced tithing...

 

[Kosh]

"Conservatives" during the Revolution sided with England, afraid of change.

If the US Constitution is founded on Christianity then why does the very first sentence of the very first Amendment read, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....."?

Funny how the far left only sees Christianity as the only religion in the world.

 

[KNB]

The point is that real Christians don't own slaves.

 

[Moonglow]

"Conservatives" during the Revolution sided with England, afraid of change.

If the US Constitution is founded on Christianity then why does the very first sentence of the very first Amendment read, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....."?

Funny how the far left only sees Christianity as the only religion in the world.

They never picked up a volume of The Encyclopedia of The World's Religions.

 

[Moonglow]

The point is that real Christians don't own slaves.

Then what are kids for???

 

[Kosh]

The point is that real Christians don't own slaves.

Explains why the far left are not real Christians..

 

[KNB]

"Conservatives" during the Revolution sided with England, afraid of change.

If the US Constitution is founded on Christianity then why does the very first sentence of the very first Amendment read, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....."?

Funny how the far left only sees Christianity as the only religion in the world.

No, you see only Christianity. I see only stupidity. For how many more thousands of years will humans kill each other to make the world a paradise for Jesus' triumphant return?

America does not belong to one religion. America doesn't belong to any religion. That is the purpose of the First Amendment.

 

[KNB]

The point is that real Christians don't own slaves.

Explains why the far left are not real Christians..

Jesus was the farthest left that you can go on the political spectrum. Free food for the poor, free medicine, love thy neighbor, end slavery, fuck the rich, etc. Those are Progressive notions.

It's why the Romans killed him.

 

[Kosh]

"Conservatives" during the Revolution sided with England, afraid of change.

If the US Constitution is founded on Christianity then why does the very first sentence of the very first Amendment read, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....."?

Funny how the far left only sees Christianity as the only religion in the world.

No, you see only Christianity. I see only stupidity. For how many more thousands of years will humans kill each other to make the world a paradise for Jesus' triumphant return?

America does not belong to one religion. America doesn't belong to any religion. That is the purpose of the First Amendment.

More far left propaganda talking points.

Boring!!

When the topic of religion is brought up the far left can only mention Christianity.