Why do poor communities exist in America?

[danielpalos]

What expensive rules? I have been on social assistance programs in my life. There are no expensive rules.

Any forms to fill out? Any interviews with no Job potential to attend?

 

[WinterBorn]

Your opinion means nothing. Means testing is expensive and one study I read claims it costs the equivalent to about fourteen dollars an hour and was one reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage.

And stopping one person from getting welfare when they do not need it comes out ahead. Every person denied welfare for a lack of need beyond that one saves the tax payers money.

In other words, if by spending X we prevent people from drawing 5X, the means testing has saved the tax payers 4X.

 

[danielpalos]

And stopping one person from getting welfare when they do not need it comes out ahead. Every person denied welfare for a lack of need beyond that one saves the tax payers money.

In other words, if by spending X we prevent people from drawing 5X, the means testing has saved the tax payers 4X.

That requires means testing. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed is more automatic for economic stabilization purposes.

 

[WinterBorn]

Any forms to fill out? Any interviews with no Job potential to attend?

Yes, there are forms to fill out. But since the applicant does not work they have the free time to do so.

No, I know of no job interviews with no job potential, unless the applicant purposefully applies for jobs he is not qualified for. And besides, with no job you have plenty of free time.

 

[WinterBorn]

That requires means testing. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed is more automatic for economic stabilization purposes.

It is wide open for abuse by those who do not need assistance to survive. It is giving away tax payer fund without determining the need.

And, as I showed above, it is not an expense but a cost saving measure.

 

[irosie91]

Better than your alleged question or alleged argument.

I did not ask a question or proffer an argument----I just made a statement

 

[WinterBorn]

That requires means testing. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed is more automatic for economic stabilization purposes.

And if you think there will ever be a gov't program that will hand out tax payer funds without any requirements from the recipient, you are simply naive.

 

[danielpalos]

Yes, there are forms to fill out. But since the applicant does not work they have the free time to do so.

It takes paid staff to administer those benefits and programs.

 

[WinterBorn]

Better than your alleged question or alleged argument.

And you never answered my question. Under your "new & improved" Unemployment Compensation, would I be able to draw a check?

 

[danielpalos]

It is wide open for abuse by those who do not need assistance to survive. It is giving away tax payer fund without determining the need.

And, as I showed above, it is not an expense but a cost saving measure.

The need is in an income. Imagine if police could simply tell the homeless to on unemployment compensation and get off the street.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

 

[WinterBorn]

It takes paid staff to administer those benefits and programs.

It takes paid staff to administer the UC benefits too. Do you actually believe there would be a program that allows you to sign up and draw tax payer funds without any interaction with staff?

 

[danielpalos]

And if you think there will ever be a gov't program that will hand out tax payer funds without any requirements from the recipient, you are simply naive.

They have to apply for unemployment compensation. Corporate welfare is alive and well and has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses with no fake morality complaints from the right-wing.

 

[WinterBorn]

The need is in an income. Imagine if police could simply tell the homeless to on unemployment compensation and get off the street.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

Before you talked about freedom. Now you want welfare for homeless so they won't break the law?

 

[danielpalos]

It takes paid staff to administer the UC benefits too. Do you actually believe there would be a program that allows you to sign up and draw tax payer funds without any interaction with staff?

The difference, uc is simpler to administer and let's Individuals decide what to do with their income.

 

[WinterBorn]

They have to apply for unemployment compensation. Corporate welfare is alive and well and has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses with no fake morality complaints from the right-wing.

Corporate welfare is a completely different topic. Stick to this one for now.

 

[WinterBorn]

The difference, uc is simpler to administer and let's Individuals decide what to do with their income.

It is simpler to administer because it is temporary, does not use tax payer funds and requires proof that you lost your job through no fault of your own. Take those 3 factors away and it becomes as unwieldy and bureaucratic as welfare is.

 

[WinterBorn]

Lack of income is the primary reason under Any form of Capitalism but not truer forms of Socialism. Thanks for letting us know what right-wingers are really all about.

Lack of income is a symptom. The large majority of homeless people have mental health or substance abuse problems.

 

[danielpalos]

It is simpler to administer because it is temporary, does not use tax payer funds and requires proof that you lost your job through no fault of your own. Take those 3 factors away and it becomes as unwieldy and bureaucratic as welfare is.

Not at all. That actually makes it more expensive to administer those requirements. Persons on unemployment still pay taxes on some income that qualifies for taxation, along with general taxes.

 

[WinterBorn]

The need is in an income. Imagine if police could simply tell the homeless to on unemployment compensation and get off the street.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

Funny that you talk about the need being an income, while arguing against having to prove you need an income.

 

[danielpalos]

Lack of income is a symptom. The large majority of homeless people have mental health or substance abuse problems.

That is why they need an income to afford mental healthcare under our form of Capitalism not right-wingers view of socialism on a national basis.