Why do so many people deny climate change

[PMZ]

We should have a climate change politics thread for you while we discuss climate change science here.

The science world had the temerity to uncover truth unfavorable to big oil. Big oil, in search of the last dollar of profit from their obsolete and toxic product, has invested heavily in purely political character assassination. Conservatives love that work so were easily recruited.

Here's the score.

Science. Has advanced by leaps and bounds mankind's understanding of climate science.

Big oil. Has delayed necessary action by 15 years.

Conservatives. Have been routed and have given up virtually all political relevance and credibility.

Liberals. Have reinforced their long standing reputation as problem solvers for humanity.

Government. Have been given the basis for sound policy.

You're totally delusional, PMZ. You know that, don't you?

What I know is that you have yet to make your first valid point.

 

[SSDD]

''But mann's research found that it was confined to a small region and not aw warm as the present. If he was wrong on that count,''

Does not in any way lead to

''then all of the research that has come after which used his work as reference has been corrupted.''

Not that you have any way of knowing that.

If his findings were wrong due to flawed methodology and unacceptable data then all of the work that has been built upon those findings is also wrong. Sorry you aren't bright enough to grasp the concept of error cascade.

 

[Uncensored2008]

We should have a climate change politics thread for you while we discuss climate change science here.

That is an oxymoron. What the AGW cult engages in is voodoo - it has nothing to do with science.

The science world had the temerity to uncover truth unfavorable to big oil.

The grant whore world has uncovered a steady stream of revenue - all for selling off their integrity.

Big oil, in search of the last dollar of profit from their obsolete and toxic product, has invested heavily in purely political character assassination. Conservatives love that work so were easily recruited.

Obsolete, huh?

Get off that computer, because all of the plastics in it are from oil. You morons don't have a hint of a clue what you spew about. You are led about like mindless sheep - which is what you are.

Here's the score.

Science. Has advanced by leaps and bounds mankind's understanding of climate science.

Big oil. Has delayed necessary action by 15 years.

Ohhh.

So what your saying is we are all going to die, and only by sacrificing to you and submitting to your rule can the volcano god be appeased?

IF we do not obey you, without question, then not only will we die, but the entire village (world) will also be destroyed?

Dayum, such a unique tale you have - no one every heard that before. Guess we better sacrifice....

Conservatives. Have been routed and have given up virtually all political relevance and credibility.

Liberals. Have reinforced their long standing reputation as problem solvers for humanity.

Government. Have been given the basis for sound policy.

Yeah, you're winning hearts and minds...

{Just 57 percent think there is solid evidence the world is getting warmer, down 20 points in just three years, a new poll says. And the share of people who believe pollution caused by humans is causing temperatures to rise has also taken a dip, even as the U.S. and world forums gear up for possible action against climate change.}

Steep Decline In Americans' Belief In Global Warming

Woohoo - your priests and bishops can sell indulgences (carbon credits) and take their places as absolute rulers of the unwashed!

 

[bripat9643]

The IPCC on the MWP, from AR4.

6.6 The Last 2,000 Years - AR4 WGI Chapter 6: Palaeoclimate

They also say it's warmer now than during the MWP. But then, the cult can fall back on the vast global socialist conspiracy to fake the data, their all-purpose excuse. It's what makes it so obvious that denialism is unfalsifiable pseudoscience. Don't like the data? Just say it's all forged!

Take a desired conclusion, then nudge the data until it kinda, sorta, somewhat fits..

That thar be wutz the IPCC calls "science."

You are too arrogant in your fraud. You are not different than the Catholic Church at the time of Luther - you rub the noses of the public in your outrageous fraud and corruption.

Another bought and paid for soldier in the Army of Big Oil.

Ignorance leaves individuals defenseless against manipulation.

In fact, unlike sex whores , they enjoy their work.

Of course they are blind to the ultimate cost.

That giant flushing sound is their movement swirling in the bowl.

I only wish I was "bought and paid for." When do I get my check?

On the other hand, we all know that con artists like Michael Mann are getting a check from Big Momma government.

 

[Uncensored2008]

''But mann's research found that it was confined to a small region and not aw warm as the present. If he was wrong on that count,''

Does not in any way lead to

''then all of the research that has come after which used his work as reference has been corrupted.''

Not that you have any way of knowing that.

If his findings were wrong due to flawed methodology and unacceptable data then all of the work that has been built upon those findings is also wrong. Sorry you aren't bright enough to grasp the concept of error cascade.

His methodology was designed to produce the findings desired by his customer.

 

[PMZ]

''But mann's research found that it was confined to a small region and not aw warm as the present. If he was wrong on that count,''

Does not in any way lead to

''then all of the research that has come after which used his work as reference has been corrupted.''

Not that you have any way of knowing that.

If his findings were wrong due to flawed methodology and unacceptable data then all of the work that has been built upon those findings is also wrong. Sorry you aren't bright enough to grasp the concept of error cascade.

I'm bright enough to know that this not the MWP.

 

[flacaltenn]

No I don't, but as I said, any paper that has referenced mann et al and taken his findings to be sound has been corrupted by that work. You don't seem to be able to grasp what an error cascade is or how it gets initiated, or how terribly it can damage an entire field of study.

Oh, please tell us about the error cascade. This ought to be informatve, as far as revealing your thought processes, the way you imagine that the science works.

Since you are clearly to stupid to follow the links I have provided to the 45 papers in this conversation alone, I guess you will just have to take my word for it. ......idiot.

No, you copied a cherrypicked list of 45 papers, many of which didn't even say that the MWP in that spot was warmer than current conditions.

Honest people don't cherrypick only the spots that support them and then call it the truth. Honest people would use the global averages. And you won't do that, solely because the results aren't to your liking.

There are multiple DOZENS of proxy studies from CHILE, from JAPAN, from NEW ZEALAND, --- ALL stating that MWP was a Global event. MOST of them estimating higher temps than today..

You just LOSE... Badly..... Because you BELIEVE a proven fabricator and manipulator of the facts like Mann......

Do you ever tire of defending scientists that either incompetent or corrupt or BOTH???
I couldn't stand it...

BTW: You're a moron. It's EASY to prove the "cascade of errors".. Last time I checked that POS Mann paper was referenced over 200 times in subsequent work.. Work that DEPENDED on the falsified results of the hockey stick work...
He KILLED Climate Science in it's infantcy by INFECTING IT with shoddy, biased political hackery.

 

[PMZ]

No I don't, but as I said, any paper that has referenced mann et al and taken his findings to be sound has been corrupted by that work. You don't seem to be able to grasp what an error cascade is or how it gets initiated, or how terribly it can damage an entire field of study.

Oh, please tell us about the error cascade. This ought to be informatve, as far as revealing your thought processes, the way you imagine that the science works.

Since you are clearly to stupid to follow the links I have provided to the 45 papers in this conversation alone, I guess you will just have to take my word for it. ......idiot.

No, you copied a cherrypicked list of 45 papers, many of which didn't even say that the MWP in that spot was warmer than current conditions.

Honest people don't cherrypick only the spots that support them and then call it the truth. Honest people would use the global averages. And you won't do that, solely because the results aren't to your liking.

There are multiple DOZENS of proxy studies from CHILE, from JAPAN, from NEW ZEALAND, --- ALL stating that MWP was a Global event. MOST of them estimating higher temps than today..

You just LOSE... Badly..... Because you BELIEVE a proven fabricator and manipulator of the facts like Mann......

Do you ever tire of defending scientists that either incompetent or corrupt or BOTH???
I couldn't stand it...

BTW: You're a moron. It's EASY to prove the "cascade of errors".. Last time I checked that POS Mann paper was referenced over 200 times in subsequent work.. Work that DEPENDED on the falsified results of the hockey stick work...
He KILLED Climate Science in it's infantcy by INFECTING IT with shoddy, biased political hackery.

Let's say Michael Mann was never born.

Is it your contention that AGW would then not exist?

If so, I have a whole new appreciation for your condition.

 

[PMZ]

One thing that conservatives are well known for is their political reliance on character assassination. Of course that's to be expected from parties that can't find qualified candidates.

In the case of their use of the same dirty politics in their services for big oil, it's because they have no qualified science or scientists.

So they have no scientific resources and therefore are left with only Fox News and the Internet to formulate their attacks. For non scientist politicians to organize the talking points that recruit other cognitively challenged soldiers into the cult.

Unfortunately, that's all pretty transparent and has led to the political exposure that continues their downfall.

 

[PMZ]

Take a desired conclusion, then nudge the data until it kinda, sorta, somewhat fits..

That thar be wutz the IPCC calls "science."

You are too arrogant in your fraud. You are not different than the Catholic Church at the time of Luther - you rub the noses of the public in your outrageous fraud and corruption.

Another bought and paid for soldier in the Army of Big Oil.

Ignorance leaves individuals defenseless against manipulation.

In fact, unlike sex whores , they enjoy their work.

Of course they are blind to the ultimate cost.

That giant flushing sound is their movement swirling in the bowl.

I only wish I was "bought and paid for." When do I get my check?

On the other hand, we all know that con artists like Michael Mann are getting a check from Big Momma government.

Can't wait to see the evidence on that!

 

[PMZ]

We should have a climate change politics thread for you while we discuss climate change science here.

That is an oxymoron. What the AGW cult engages in is voodoo - it has nothing to do with science.

The science world had the temerity to uncover truth unfavorable to big oil.

The grant whore world has uncovered a steady stream of revenue - all for selling off their integrity.



Obsolete, huh?

Get off that computer, because all of the plastics in it are from oil. You morons don't have a hint of a clue what you spew about. You are led about like mindless sheep - which is what you are.

Here's the score.

Science. Has advanced by leaps and bounds mankind's understanding of climate science.

Big oil. Has delayed necessary action by 15 years.

Ohhh.

So what your saying is we are all going to die, and only by sacrificing to you and submitting to your rule can the volcano god be appeased?

IF we do not obey you, without question, then not only will we die, but the entire village (world) will also be destroyed?

Dayum, such a unique tale you have - no one every heard that before. Guess we better sacrifice....

Conservatives. Have been routed and have given up virtually all political relevance and credibility.

Liberals. Have reinforced their long standing reputation as problem solvers for humanity.

Government. Have been given the basis for sound policy.

Yeah, you're winning hearts and minds...

{Just 57 percent think there is solid evidence the world is getting warmer, down 20 points in just three years, a new poll says. And the share of people who believe pollution caused by humans is causing temperatures to rise has also taken a dip, even as the U.S. and world forums gear up for possible action against climate change.}

Steep Decline In Americans' Belief In Global Warming

Woohoo - your priests and bishops can sell indulgences (carbon credits) and take their places as absolute rulers of the unwashed!

The people who need to understand AGW and sustainable energy in order to solve the problems that we're facing are small in number. Scientists, engineers, builders, business leaders, some politicians and some investors.

That train has left the station.

That work is underway on a global scale.

The people left at the station are the ignorant, the apathetic, those perfectly comfortable with others solving problems, and the big oil army actively pursuing derailing the train for profit.

To their shame they have delayed the train by 15 years or so, a delay that will cost everybody dearly.

 

[PMZ]

Take a desired conclusion, then nudge the data until it kinda, sorta, somewhat fits..

That thar be wutz the IPCC calls "science."

You are too arrogant in your fraud. You are not different than the Catholic Church at the time of Luther - you rub the noses of the public in your outrageous fraud and corruption.

Another bought and paid for soldier in the Army of Big Oil.

Ignorance leaves individuals defenseless against manipulation.

In fact, unlike sex whores , they enjoy their work.

Of course they are blind to the ultimate cost.

That giant flushing sound is their movement swirling in the bowl.

I only wish I was "bought and paid for." When do I get my check?

On the other hand, we all know that con artists like Michael Mann are getting a check from Big Momma government.

As with most work, you have to actually accomplish something in order to get paid.

 

[bripat9643]

Another bought and paid for soldier in the Army of Big Oil.

Ignorance leaves individuals defenseless against manipulation.

In fact, unlike sex whores , they enjoy their work.

Of course they are blind to the ultimate cost.

That giant flushing sound is their movement swirling in the bowl.

I only wish I was "bought and paid for." When do I get my check?

On the other hand, we all know that con artists like Michael Mann are getting a check from Big Momma government.

As with most work, you have to actually accomplish something in order to get paid.

You said I was "bought and paid for" - past tense. If that's the case I should have received some checks. Where are those checks?

If I haven't accomplished anything, then what are you doing in this forum disputing what I say?

 

[bripat9643]

We should have a climate change politics thread for you while we discuss climate change science here.

That is an oxymoron. What the AGW cult engages in is voodoo - it has nothing to do with science.



The grant whore world has uncovered a steady stream of revenue - all for selling off their integrity.



Obsolete, huh?

Get off that computer, because all of the plastics in it are from oil. You morons don't have a hint of a clue what you spew about. You are led about like mindless sheep - which is what you are.





Ohhh.

So what your saying is we are all going to die, and only by sacrificing to you and submitting to your rule can the volcano god be appeased?

IF we do not obey you, without question, then not only will we die, but the entire village (world) will also be destroyed?

Dayum, such a unique tale you have - no one every heard that before. Guess we better sacrifice....

Conservatives. Have been routed and have given up virtually all political relevance and credibility.

Liberals. Have reinforced their long standing reputation as problem solvers for humanity.

Government. Have been given the basis for sound policy.

Yeah, you're winning hearts and minds...

{Just 57 percent think there is solid evidence the world is getting warmer, down 20 points in just three years, a new poll says. And the share of people who believe pollution caused by humans is causing temperatures to rise has also taken a dip, even as the U.S. and world forums gear up for possible action against climate change.}

Steep Decline In Americans' Belief In Global Warming

Woohoo - your priests and bishops can sell indulgences (carbon credits) and take their places as absolute rulers of the unwashed!

The people who need to understand AGW and sustainable energy in order to solve the problems that we're facing are small in number. Scientists, engineers, builders, business leaders, some politicians and some investors.

That train has left the station.

That work is underway on a global scale.

The people left at the station are the ignorant, the apathetic, those perfectly comfortable with others solving problems, and the big oil army actively pursuing derailing the train for profit.

To their shame they have delayed the train by 15 years or so, a delay that will cost everybody dearly.

Begging the question - your second favorite logical fallacy.

 

[bripat9643]

Another bought and paid for soldier in the Army of Big Oil.

Ignorance leaves individuals defenseless against manipulation.

In fact, unlike sex whores , they enjoy their work.

Of course they are blind to the ultimate cost.

That giant flushing sound is their movement swirling in the bowl.

I only wish I was "bought and paid for." When do I get my check?

On the other hand, we all know that con artists like Michael Mann are getting a check from Big Momma government.

Can't wait to see the evidence on that!

Are you claiming Mann doesn't get paid a salary for devising cons like the Hockey Stick graph?

 

[PMZ]

I only wish I was "bought and paid for." When do I get my check?

On the other hand, we all know that con artists like Michael Mann are getting a check from Big Momma government.

As with most work, you have to actually accomplish something in order to get paid.

You said I was "bought and paid for" - past tense. If that's the case I should have received some checks. Where are those checks?

If I haven't accomplished anything, then what are you doing in this forum disputing what I say?

Nobody has to dispute anything that you post because you never post anything non-trivial, but only childish insults.

 

[bripat9643]

Oh, please tell us about the error cascade. This ought to be informatve, as far as revealing your thought processes, the way you imagine that the science works.

No, you copied a cherrypicked list of 45 papers, many of which didn't even say that the MWP in that spot was warmer than current conditions.

Honest people don't cherrypick only the spots that support them and then call it the truth. Honest people would use the global averages. And you won't do that, solely because the results aren't to your liking.

There are multiple DOZENS of proxy studies from CHILE, from JAPAN, from NEW ZEALAND, --- ALL stating that MWP was a Global event. MOST of them estimating higher temps than today..

You just LOSE... Badly..... Because you BELIEVE a proven fabricator and manipulator of the facts like Mann......

Do you ever tire of defending scientists that either incompetent or corrupt or BOTH???
I couldn't stand it...

BTW: You're a moron. It's EASY to prove the "cascade of errors".. Last time I checked that POS Mann paper was referenced over 200 times in subsequent work.. Work that DEPENDED on the falsified results of the hockey stick work...
He KILLED Climate Science in it's infantcy by INFECTING IT with shoddy, biased political hackery.

Let's say Michael Mann was never born.

Is it your contention that AGW would then not exist?

If so, I have a whole new appreciation for your condition.

You really have difficulties with this logic crap, don't you?

Ya know, it's sad that you're too stupid to realize that you're getting your ass handed to you in this debate. However, I have to admire your determination to carry on despite the insurmountable odds against you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Another bought and paid for soldier in the Army of Big Oil.

Ignorance leaves individuals defenseless against manipulation.

In fact, unlike sex whores , they enjoy their work.

Of course they are blind to the ultimate cost.

That giant flushing sound is their movement swirling in the bowl.

As with the Catholics before you, your arrogance and greed creates nothing but contempt for you among the public at large.

Aljazeera Gore - in it for the cash?

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?Al Gore cashes in on Current TV? : NO QUARTER USA NET

ALL the AGW priests and profits are in it for the cash.

 

[bripat9643]

''But mann's research found that it was confined to a small region and not aw warm as the present. If he was wrong on that count,''

Does not in any way lead to

''then all of the research that has come after which used his work as reference has been corrupted.''

Not that you have any way of knowing that.

If his findings were wrong due to flawed methodology and unacceptable data then all of the work that has been built upon those findings is also wrong. Sorry you aren't bright enough to grasp the concept of error cascade.

I'm bright enough to know that this not the MWP.

Apparently you're not bright enough to know why the MWP is important and why Michael Mann set out to discredit it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The people who need to understand AGW and sustainable energy in order to solve the problems that we're facing are small in number.

The people need to FEAR the volcano god, so that they sacrifice their virgin daughters to the priests, give up their cars and move to communal domiciles where they can be closely monitored by the rulers, lest Gaea become angry and destroy the world..

Yours is a timeless tale, one spun by every fraud since cavemen gazed upon a smoking mountain.

Scientists, engineers, builders, business leaders, some politicians and some investors.

That which makes sense will be adopted by free people. Your cult is not adopted, because it makes no sense.

That train has left the station.

That work is underway on a global scale.

The people left at the station are the ignorant, the apathetic, those perfectly comfortable with others solving problems, and the big oil army actively pursuing derailing the train for profit.

To their shame they have delayed the train by 15 years or so, a delay that will cost everybody dearly.

Every day, fewer believe in your pathetic cult.