Why does Congress prevent the CDC from studying gun-related violence?

[PaintMyHouse]

This is the problem.....we have a small number of violent sociopaths and we need to control them...and leave the normal gun owners alone...

Richmond, CA Anti-Crime Program Focuses On People, Not Guns...And It's Working - The Truth About Guns

Boggan explained in a story that aired on This American Life earlier this year that his ‘aha’ moment in designing this program came when he was in a meeting with police officers who explained to him that they believed that seventeen guys were responsible for 70% of the shootings in the city of Richmond.

Devone Boggan: “17 people. And I’ll tell you, I almost flipped out of my chair. Cause I was like, 17 people? That’s nothing.”

Boggan realized that if they could reach just those 17 guys and get them to change, they could really make a dent in the problem. He asked the police for a list of those 17 names. He did his own research and added more names. To get on that list, Boggan said, you basically had to have shot someone.

The government spending time and money to address a problem in the community? For shame...

Guns are not problem, people are.

Focus buddy!!!

My best solution is no people, dumbass...

 

[2aguy]

And more from the article..this time about the city of Baltimore...

Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.


So no....normal gun owners are not murdering people with every fender bender....we have violent sociopaths in our inner cities creating the majority of gun crime.....

And that makes a difference why exactly? Oh right, it doesn't, we still want the damn guns, and will get them eventually or technology will simply make them useless.

Because it points out where the effort needs to go to actually loweer gun violence....targeting normal gun owners is all you guys want to do..while the criminals and mass shooters keep killing people.......

Britain, Australia, Japan...they have cultures that are not the same as our inner city criminal cultures...our regular people are as non violent as theirs are, our criminals use guns more.


And in Europe, their criminals can easily get guns, as easily as our criminals do. They just don't use them as often. A big difference.

When all the guns are banned the violence will be minimal. Most people have no reason to own a gun these days, nor should they.

No, violence will escalate because the good people will not be able to defend themselves.....crime rates went up in Britain to 2 times our rate...rape is a huge problem in Australia.....and Sweden and coming soon to the rest of Europe.....

there was a point in human history where there were no guns at all.......and the strong used swords and other primintve weapons to enslave the weak...guns stopped that....

and gun ownership and gun crime is increasing in Australia.........

 

[2aguy]

Suicides don't count in the issue because Japan, South Korea and China all have absolute gun control and as much as 2 times or more, more suicides than we do.....they jump in front of trains, take poison of fall off of buildings

They also have a society where committing suicide is considered acceptable for personal or moral failings. So it's a crappy comparison.

So let's look at suicide rates at western, Christian countries that banned guns.

The US has 41,000 suicides, of which 21,000 are committed with guns. Our suicide rate is 13.02 per 100,000 people.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

The United Kingdom has 6045 suicides a year, of which only 93 are committed with guns. their suicide rate is 11.08 per 100,000.

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Canada has 3765 suicides a year, of which only 518 were committed with guns. Their suicide rate is 10.95 per 100,000 people.

Guns in Canada — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Australia has 2535 suicides a year, of which 173 were committed with guns. Their suicide rate is 11.51 per 100,000 people.

Guns in Australia — Firearms, gun law and gun control

So yes, banning guns WILL reduce the suicide rate.

They still commit more suicide and they have no guns...it is only a crappy comparison to you because it shows you don't know what you are talking about.......

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And more from the article..this time about the city of Baltimore...

Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.


So no....normal gun owners are not murdering people with every fender bender....we have violent sociopaths in our inner cities creating the majority of gun crime.....

And that makes a difference why exactly? Oh right, it doesn't, we still want the damn guns, and will get them eventually or technology will simply make them useless.

Because it points out where the effort needs to go to actually loweer gun violence....targeting normal gun owners is all you guys want to do..while the criminals and mass shooters keep killing people.......

Britain, Australia, Japan...they have cultures that are not the same as our inner city criminal cultures...our regular people are as non violent as theirs are, our criminals use guns more.


And in Europe, their criminals can easily get guns, as easily as our criminals do. They just don't use them as often. A big difference.

When all the guns are banned the violence will be minimal. Most people have no reason to own a gun these days, nor should they.

No, violence will escalate because the good people will not be able to defend themselves.....crime rates went up in Britain to 2 times our rate...rape is a huge problem in Australia.....and Sweden and coming soon to the rest of Europe.....

there was a point in human history where there were no guns at all.......and the strong used swords and other primintve weapons to enslave the weak...guns stopped that....

and gun ownership and gun crime is increasing in Australia.........

Guns made war easy, just as they do murder and suicide, hence the problem. No guns, like Japan, means a very safe society but you boys just love your dearly toys since they make you feel like what you are not, real men...

 

[2aguy]

Suicides don't count in the issue because Japan, South Korea and China all have absolute gun control and as much as 2 times or more, more suicides than we do.....they jump in front of trains, take poison of fall off of buildings

They also have a society where committing suicide is considered acceptable for personal or moral failings. So it's a crappy comparison.

So let's look at suicide rates at western, Christian countries that banned guns.

The US has 41,000 suicides, of which 21,000 are committed with guns. Our suicide rate is 13.02 per 100,000 people.

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

The United Kingdom has 6045 suicides a year, of which only 93 are committed with guns. their suicide rate is 11.08 per 100,000.

Guns in the United Kingdom — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Canada has 3765 suicides a year, of which only 518 were committed with guns. Their suicide rate is 10.95 per 100,000 people.

Guns in Canada — Firearms, gun law and gun control

Australia has 2535 suicides a year, of which 173 were committed with guns. Their suicide rate is 11.51 per 100,000 people.

Guns in Australia — Firearms, gun law and gun control

So yes, banning guns WILL reduce the suicide rate.

So the majority of suicides in all of these countries...their people don't use guns.....you really think that proves your point......they are killing themselves with everything else.....you should try this again......

 

[2aguy]

And more from the article..this time about the city of Baltimore...

Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.


So no....normal gun owners are not murdering people with every fender bender....we have violent sociopaths in our inner cities creating the majority of gun crime.....

And that makes a difference why exactly? Oh right, it doesn't, we still want the damn guns, and will get them eventually or technology will simply make them useless.

Because it points out where the effort needs to go to actually loweer gun violence....targeting normal gun owners is all you guys want to do..while the criminals and mass shooters keep killing people.......

Britain, Australia, Japan...they have cultures that are not the same as our inner city criminal cultures...our regular people are as non violent as theirs are, our criminals use guns more.


And in Europe, their criminals can easily get guns, as easily as our criminals do. They just don't use them as often. A big difference.

When all the guns are banned the violence will be minimal. Most people have no reason to own a gun these days, nor should they.

No, violence will escalate because the good people will not be able to defend themselves.....crime rates went up in Britain to 2 times our rate...rape is a huge problem in Australia.....and Sweden and coming soon to the rest of Europe.....

there was a point in human history where there were no guns at all.......and the strong used swords and other primintve weapons to enslave the weak...guns stopped that....

and gun ownership and gun crime is increasing in Australia.........

Guns made war easy, just as they do murder and suicide, hence the problem. No guns, like Japan, means a very safe society but you boys just love your dearly toys since they make you feel like what you are not, real men...

No, guns made it easy for the weak and the outnumbered to fight back against the strong and more numerous for the first time in human history. Guns helped create freedom.....lack of guns allowed universal slavery....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

I'm perfectly happy to dump the handguns and get that number down a bit...

 

[JoeB131]

No, violence will escalate because the good people will not be able to defend themselves.....crime rates went up in Britain to 2 times our rate...rape is a huge problem in Australia.....and Sweden and coming soon to the rest of Europe.....

The British don't hav emore crime than we do, they have less. Maybe you need to do some actual research instead of reposting NRA Propaganda.

 

[JoeB131]

No, guns made it easy for the weak and the outnumbered to fight back against the strong and more numerous for the first time in human history. Guns helped create freedom.....lack of guns allowed universal slavery....

Yeah, um, this country had guns and we had ACTUAL Slavery, not figurative slavery.

Do you ever tire of saying stupid shit?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And that makes a difference why exactly? Oh right, it doesn't, we still want the damn guns, and will get them eventually or technology will simply make them useless.

Because it points out where the effort needs to go to actually loweer gun violence....targeting normal gun owners is all you guys want to do..while the criminals and mass shooters keep killing people.......

Britain, Australia, Japan...they have cultures that are not the same as our inner city criminal cultures...our regular people are as non violent as theirs are, our criminals use guns more.


And in Europe, their criminals can easily get guns, as easily as our criminals do. They just don't use them as often. A big difference.

When all the guns are banned the violence will be minimal. Most people have no reason to own a gun these days, nor should they.

No, violence will escalate because the good people will not be able to defend themselves.....crime rates went up in Britain to 2 times our rate...rape is a huge problem in Australia.....and Sweden and coming soon to the rest of Europe.....

there was a point in human history where there were no guns at all.......and the strong used swords and other primintve weapons to enslave the weak...guns stopped that....

and gun ownership and gun crime is increasing in Australia.........

Guns made war easy, just as they do murder and suicide, hence the problem. No guns, like Japan, means a very safe society but you boys just love your dearly toys since they make you feel like what you are not, real men...

No, guns made it easy for the weak and the outnumbered to fight back against the strong and more numerous for the first time in human history. Guns helped create freedom.....lack of guns allowed universal slavery....

Your dogma won't hunt. Give it up. There are free countries all over the world with strict gun controls, and they work just fine.

 

[JoeB131]

So the majority of suicides in all of these countries...their people don't use guns.....you really think that proves your point......they are killing themselves with everything else.....you should try this again......

But they have a LOWER suicide rate than we do, that's the point.

Because they don't have guns.

 

[JoeB131]

Your dogma won't hunt. Give it up. There are free countries all over the world with strict gun controls, and they work just fine.

2AGuy has to pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist. The last thing he would want to have is for Americans to figure out Crazy People can't buy guns in the rest of the world.

 

[DarkFury]

And more from the article..this time about the city of Baltimore...

Though data is no longer published in Baltimore, USA Today reported in 2007 that 91 percent of the then-205 murder victims in the city between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, 2007, had criminal records.


So no....normal gun owners are not murdering people with every fender bender....we have violent sociopaths in our inner cities creating the majority of gun crime.....

And that makes a difference why exactly? Oh right, it doesn't, we still want the damn guns, and will get them eventually or technology will simply make them useless.

Because it points out where the effort needs to go to actually loweer gun violence....targeting normal gun owners is all you guys want to do..while the criminals and mass shooters keep killing people.......

Britain, Australia, Japan...they have cultures that are not the same as our inner city criminal cultures...our regular people are as non violent as theirs are, our criminals use guns more.


And in Europe, their criminals can easily get guns, as easily as our criminals do. They just don't use them as often. A big difference.

When all the guns are banned the violence will be minimal. Most people have no reason to own a gun these days, nor should they.

No, violence will escalate because the good people will not be able to defend themselves.....crime rates went up in Britain to 2 times our rate...rape is a huge problem in Australia.....and Sweden and coming soon to the rest of Europe.....

there was a point in human history where there were no guns at all.......and the strong used swords and other primintve weapons to enslave the weak...guns stopped that....

and gun ownership and gun crime is increasing in Australia.........

Guns made war easy, just as they do murder and suicide, hence the problem. No guns, like Japan, means a very safe society but you boys just love your dearly toys since they make you feel like what you are not, real men...

One of these days idiot you should run the number of those Japanese taught to kill with their bare hands or shovels/boat oars and sickles. Those are ALL Japanese weapons and used.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And that makes a difference why exactly? Oh right, it doesn't, we still want the damn guns, and will get them eventually or technology will simply make them useless.

Because it points out where the effort needs to go to actually loweer gun violence....targeting normal gun owners is all you guys want to do..while the criminals and mass shooters keep killing people.......

Britain, Australia, Japan...they have cultures that are not the same as our inner city criminal cultures...our regular people are as non violent as theirs are, our criminals use guns more.


And in Europe, their criminals can easily get guns, as easily as our criminals do. They just don't use them as often. A big difference.

When all the guns are banned the violence will be minimal. Most people have no reason to own a gun these days, nor should they.

No, violence will escalate because the good people will not be able to defend themselves.....crime rates went up in Britain to 2 times our rate...rape is a huge problem in Australia.....and Sweden and coming soon to the rest of Europe.....

there was a point in human history where there were no guns at all.......and the strong used swords and other primintve weapons to enslave the weak...guns stopped that....

and gun ownership and gun crime is increasing in Australia.........

Guns made war easy, just as they do murder and suicide, hence the problem. No guns, like Japan, means a very safe society but you boys just love your dearly toys since they make you feel like what you are not, real men...

One of these days idiot you should run the number of those Japanese taught to kill with their bare hands or shovels/boat oars and sickles. Those are ALL Japanese weapons and used.

They were real men. Unlike you they didn't need a gun...

 

[DarkFury]

Because it points out where the effort needs to go to actually loweer gun violence....targeting normal gun owners is all you guys want to do..while the criminals and mass shooters keep killing people.......

Britain, Australia, Japan...they have cultures that are not the same as our inner city criminal cultures...our regular people are as non violent as theirs are, our criminals use guns more.


And in Europe, their criminals can easily get guns, as easily as our criminals do. They just don't use them as often. A big difference.

When all the guns are banned the violence will be minimal. Most people have no reason to own a gun these days, nor should they.

No, violence will escalate because the good people will not be able to defend themselves.....crime rates went up in Britain to 2 times our rate...rape is a huge problem in Australia.....and Sweden and coming soon to the rest of Europe.....

there was a point in human history where there were no guns at all.......and the strong used swords and other primintve weapons to enslave the weak...guns stopped that....

and gun ownership and gun crime is increasing in Australia.........

Guns made war easy, just as they do murder and suicide, hence the problem. No guns, like Japan, means a very safe society but you boys just love your dearly toys since they make you feel like what you are not, real men...

One of these days idiot you should run the number of those Japanese taught to kill with their bare hands or shovels/boat oars and sickles. Those are ALL Japanese weapons and used.

They were real men. Unlike you they didn't need a gun...

I am quite good with a Kama thank you. But a Kama means NOTHING against a gun.

See IDIOT when Japan's government TRIED to take them over it REMOVED guns and FORCED people mainly farmers to use other methods to kill.

The Chinese when they were taken over ALSO had their weapons taken. So they resorted to cruder weapons. When the CITIZENS lose guns they freedom.

And Japan and China still does NOT allow guns. Because IF China DID there would be NO communist Chinese party.
Remember the square IDIOT? ONE man vs a tank.

So suck it up sunshine GUNS ARE STAYING.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So suck it up sunshine GUNS ARE STAYING.

For now, and I own them. Sometimes I have to use them for the only they were invented for, the rapid killing of living things.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Very funny, also ridiculous. So, we can have all gang members turn in their guns? We can have all drug dealers turn in their guns? We can stop individuals from selling guns on the black market? We can stop importing guns? We can stop guns from crossing the border?........ pleeeeeeeeez, give mea break .......... Geez ....... think, just use your head and think ....

Guy, again, if we were just worried about the "Criminals" and "gang members", we wouldn't have problem.

Do you know how many "Gang related" homicides there are in the US out of the 16,000 we have a
year?

In 2011, there were only 1824 homicides (not all committed with guns) that were "Gang Related".

More Gangs, Fewer Gang Homicides

That was out of 16,238 homicides in the US, of which 11608 were committed with guns.

So frankly, if all we had to worry about were the gun homicides committed by gangs, we'd still reduce the gun homicide rate by 84%. The 84% that are probably just people who bought a gun for home protection and it is used to settle that argument over who drank the last can of Milwaukee's Best.

And your point is? ................. does it really matter who or how? And, what would a study do to stop any of it?

 

[Sonny Clark]

And now for some actual truth about gun crime in America...

Gun murders 2014....8,124

Probably not true, since we haven't really collated the numbers yet. the number was 11,208. my gu ess is when the numbers are finally gathered for 2014, they'll be about that because they've been north of 11K since 2001

Guns in the United States — Firearms, gun law and gun control

The point is, you can try to throw out all sorts of numbers, but the rest of us are sick and tired of watching dead kids being rolled out in body bags because you have a fetish.

Yes, we're all sick of it, and have been for a very long time. But, what can anyone do about it? Again, you can not get the guns out of the hands of citizens, period.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I'm perfectly happy to dump the handguns and get that number down a bit...

Notice how many Countries have more suicides then the US and do not use Firearms?I count 15 Countries and only a 3 are Oriental.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No, violence will escalate because the good people will not be able to defend themselves.....crime rates went up in Britain to 2 times our rate...rape is a huge problem in Australia.....and Sweden and coming soon to the rest of Europe.....

The British don't hav emore crime than we do, they have less. Maybe you need to do some actual research instead of reposting NRA Propaganda.

The British have tons more violent crimes then we do. In fact about 6 European Countries or Canada have more violent crimes then the US.