Why don't people understand that this argument is already lost?

[g5000]

I'm very much pro birth control. Literally HALF of all abortions are the result of sexual intercourse in which NO birth control of any kind was used. Another fifth of abortions are the result of the improper or inconsistent use of birth control.

Just by getting people to use birth control more frequently and consistently would make the abortion rate plunge drastically.

Then abortion would not be so widespread, and thus would become less socially acceptable as a Final Solution to undesirable fetuses.

 

[TNHarley]

A baby/child is not self sufficient you know..

That's why they have parents, you know...

Do you think a majority of aborted fetus were created by responsible adults with good paying jobs and enough morality to raise children properly?

See post 90. Moral hazard.

That post wasn't directed at me and my beliefs. You are taking my opinion and stereo-typing it. That isn't fair.

 

[g5000]

Its you who support such criminal horrors as the invasion of Iraq ...all the while Pounding your chest about being pro Life and all ...you are bull shit

Oh, here we go. The poor loser got his ass kicked, and now he's given up on one straw man and has built another! PRO-CHOICE...BECAUSE IRAQ!

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

I'm very much pro birth control. Literally HALF of all abortions are the result of sexual intercourse in which NO birth control of any kind was used. Another fifth of abortions are the result of the improper or inconsistent use of birth control.

Just by getting people to use birth control more frequently and consistently would make the abortion rate plunge drastically.

Then abortion would not be so widespread, and thus would become less socially acceptable as a Final Solution to undesirable fetuses.

I agree with that but the GOP does not support Birth control for females...calls females who use birth control "sluts"

 

[mamooth]

I guess I didn't make myself clear when I mentioned the Nazis.

What you've made it abundantly clear is the way you obsess about Nazis almost constantly.

I'll make it clear we'll never stop fighting pro-life Nazi-wannabees. The cause of liberty demands that.

 

[TNHarley]

Do you think a majority of aborted fetus were created by responsible adults with good paying jobs and enough morality to raise children properly?

When has it ever been for any births?

We think we can plan when we have kids, but Nature doesnt cooperate much at all.

I wont argue with that.
I will say that all the people I know personally that have had abortions, I am glad they did.. Not for their "convenience", but for the general welfare. Would have probably come up schizo or completely dependent.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Its you who support such criminal horrors as the invasion of Iraq ...all the while Pounding your chest about being pro Life and all ...you are bull shit

Oh, here we go. The poor loser got his ass kicked, and now he's given up on one strawman and has built another!

Here we go the "Inevitable declaration that I got my ass kicked" you mothers are so fucking predictable.... you were forced to make up a "internet lie" that you are a "One man Little Sisters of Charity" Hero...you are a Fucking moron

Here is your straw man "Pay me or I kill this baby" ...

 

[g5000]

A baby/child is not self sufficient you know..

That's why they have parents, you know...

Do you think a majority of aborted fetus were created by responsible adults with good paying jobs and enough morality to raise children properly?

See post 90. Moral hazard.

That post wasn't directed at me and my beliefs. You are taking my opinion and stereo-typing it. That isn't fair.

The widespread use of abortion has created a moral hazard. And the liberal demand to "pay for my baby, or I'll kill it" has created a great deal of irresponsibility. Liberals are attempting to disengage all personal responsibility from personal behaviors. This corrosion in morals has led to a skyrocketing rate of single parenthood.

 

[TNHarley]

I'm very much pro birth control. Literally HALF of all abortions are the result of sexual intercourse in which NO birth control of any kind was used. Another fifth of abortions are the result of the improper or inconsistent use of birth control.

Just by getting people to use birth control more frequently and consistently would make the abortion rate plunge drastically.

Then abortion would not be so widespread, and thus would become less socially acceptable as a Final Solution to undesirable fetuses.

I agree with that but the GOP does not support Birth control for females...calls females who use birth control "sluts"

Some of them do. They just think the woman should pay for her own irresponsibility. I don't want to pay for abortions, the kid OR birth control. People have to be responsible for themselves.

 

[Dragonlady]

20 Tips for Your First Abortion

Yeah. The argument is now that women should just say fuck it and go for it it because the money raising their kids would have costed is better spent on Beyonce tickets. We're not going to sway a public that thinks like that. The best we can do is go the way our abolitionist forefathers did and protect whom we can. We can't save the unborn but we can get the born the hell away from these "people," whether that means going through foster care or child protective services. No child deserves to be raised by parents who are incapable of loving them.

"No child deserves to be raised by parents who are incapable of loving them."

Or incapable of financially independently supporting the child. These people have no business having a child and/or children.

That child and/or children should immediately be taken away from them and adopted.

There are 100,000 kids going into the foster care system each year who will never be adopted. You're proposing adding up to a million more to that number.

20 Tips for Your First Abortion

Yeah. The argument is now that women should just say fuck it and go for it it because the money raising their kids would have costed is better spent on Beyonce tickets. We're not going to sway a public that thinks like that. The best we can do is go the way our abolitionist forefathers did and protect whom we can. We can't save the unborn but we can get the born the hell away from these "people," whether that means going through foster care or child protective services. No child deserves to be raised by parents who are incapable of loving them.

It's worse than that. The libs went mental because the singer Adele said motherhood made her feel complete.

They don't want women to have babies at all.

Bullshit. I am sick and tired of conservatives telling me that liberals hate babies. It's a flat out lie.

What liberals hate is double talking conservatives who say they don't want the government making personal decisions on their behalf, telling women that they must have a baby. No decision is more personal. The idea that a woman should have a baby as some kind of punishment for immoral behaviour just boggles the mind, especially given that unwanted children have a higher dropout rate, and a higher rate of juvenile delinquency. If someone doesn't want to have a baby, don't force them to have a baby.

And you can't say you'd make an exception for rape or incest. Then it becomes even more obvious that you are simply punishing poor women for have sex.

 

[TNHarley]

A baby/child is not self sufficient you know..

That's why they have parents, you know...

Do you think a majority of aborted fetus were created by responsible adults with good paying jobs and enough morality to raise children properly?

See post 90. Moral hazard.

That post wasn't directed at me and my beliefs. You are taking my opinion and stereo-typing it. That isn't fair.

The widespread use of abortion has created a moral hazard. And the liberal demand to "pay for my baby, or I'll kill it" has created a great deal of irresponsibility. Liberals are attempting to disengage all personal responsibility from personal behaviors. This corrosion in morals has led to a skyrocketing rate of single parenthood.

I wont argue with that a bit.
I do think abortion gets abused. But who gets to decide when it is necessary? That's MY problem.

 

[g5000]

Its you who support such criminal horrors as the invasion of Iraq ...all the while Pounding your chest about being pro Life and all ...you are bull shit

Oh, here we go. The poor loser got his ass kicked, and now he's given up on one strawman and has built another!

Here we go the "Inevitable declaration that I got my ass kicked" you mothers are so fucking predictable.... you were forced to make up a "internet lie" that you are a "One man Little Sisters of Charity" Hero...you are a Fucking moron

Nope. It isn't a lie. Too bad for you. Your straw man failed catastrophically. You just can't accept it, and so all you can do is gasp and splutter.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I was beign facetious. A child is a born human.. I try to being humor in on such an aggressive topic lol.
I think about the consequences all the time. IMO, the good outweighs the bad. I have provided examples throughout this thread.
I would be ok with restricting it to the second maybe the first. We could negotiate
I also think that women should be forced to know ALL of her possible options. I think the decision should be an educated one.

I would add to that that the facility should meet the same standards as any hospital does, and the woman should see a mamogram of the child first.

I have met several women who had abortions decades ago and they still regret it.

Knew this one girl who cried every time this song came on the radio. It is about adoption, not abortion, but the lyrics could fit with any loss of a child.

She couldnt shake the feeling that she had murdered her own baby and that deed caused her depression and self hatred many years after the event.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

I'm very much pro birth control. Literally HALF of all abortions are the result of sexual intercourse in which NO birth control of any kind was used. Another fifth of abortions are the result of the improper or inconsistent use of birth control.

Just by getting people to use birth control more frequently and consistently would make the abortion rate plunge drastically.

Then abortion would not be so widespread, and thus would become less socially acceptable as a Final Solution to undesirable fetuses.

I agree with that but the GOP does not support Birth control for females...calls females who use birth control "sluts"

Some of them do. They just think the woman should pay for her own irresponsibility. I don't want to pay for abortions, the kid OR birth control. People have to be responsible for themselves.

So birth control for females should be handled differently than Viagra for men by Insurance companies...free Viagra but charge for BC

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

20 Tips for Your First Abortion

Yeah. The argument is now that women should just say fuck it and go for it it because the money raising their kids would have costed is better spent on Beyonce tickets. We're not going to sway a public that thinks like that. The best we can do is go the way our abolitionist forefathers did and protect whom we can. We can't save the unborn but we can get the born the hell away from these "people," whether that means going through foster care or child protective services. No child deserves to be raised by parents who are incapable of loving them.

"No child deserves to be raised by parents who are incapable of loving them."

Or incapable of financially independently supporting the child. These people have no business having a child and/or children.

That child and/or children should immediately be taken away from them and adopted.

There are 100,000 kids going into the foster care system each year who will never be adopted. You're proposing adding up to a million more to that number.

20 Tips for Your First Abortion

Yeah. The argument is now that women should just say fuck it and go for it it because the money raising their kids would have costed is better spent on Beyonce tickets. We're not going to sway a public that thinks like that. The best we can do is go the way our abolitionist forefathers did and protect whom we can. We can't save the unborn but we can get the born the hell away from these "people," whether that means going through foster care or child protective services. No child deserves to be raised by parents who are incapable of loving them.

It's worse than that. The libs went mental because the singer Adele said motherhood made her feel complete.

They don't want women to have babies at all.

Bullshit. I am sick and tired of conservatives telling me that liberals hate babies. It's a flat out lie.

What liberals hate is double talking conservatives who say they don't want the government making personal decisions on their behalf, telling women that they must have a baby. No decision is more personal. The idea that a woman should have a baby as some kind of punishment for immoral behaviour just boggles the mind, especially given that unwanted children have a higher dropout rate, and a higher rate of juvenile delinquency. If someone doesn't want to have a baby, don't force them to have a baby.

And you can't say you'd make an exception for rape or incest. Then it becomes even more obvious that you are simply punishing poor women for have sex.

"There are 100,000 kids going into the foster care system each year who will never be adopted. You're proposing adding up to a million more to that number."

So the solution is? To abort them?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Its you who support such criminal horrors as the invasion of Iraq ...all the while Pounding your chest about being pro Life and all ...you are bull shit

Oh, here we go. The poor loser got his ass kicked, and now he's given up on one strawman and has built another!

Here we go the "Inevitable declaration that I got my ass kicked" you mothers are so fucking predictable.... you were forced to make up a "internet lie" that you are a "One man Little Sisters of Charity" Hero...you are a Fucking moron

Nope. It isn't a lie. Too bad for you. Your straw man failed catastrophically. You just can't accept it, and so your only way out is to lie.

Yes it is a lie...you are not a one man social agency you Jack wagon LOL

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

I'm very much pro birth control. Literally HALF of all abortions are the result of sexual intercourse in which NO birth control of any kind was used. Another fifth of abortions are the result of the improper or inconsistent use of birth control.

Just by getting people to use birth control more frequently and consistently would make the abortion rate plunge drastically.

Then abortion would not be so widespread, and thus would become less socially acceptable as a Final Solution to undesirable fetuses.

I agree with that but the GOP does not support Birth control for females...calls females who use birth control "sluts"

Some of them do. They just think the woman should pay for her own irresponsibility. I don't want to pay for abortions, the kid OR birth control. People have to be responsible for themselves.

So birth control for females should be handled differently than Viagra for men by Insurance companies...free Viagra but charge for BC

I don't think Viagra should be free.

 

[g5000]

What liberals hate is double talking conservatives who say they don't want the government making personal decisions on their behalf, telling women that they must have a baby.

Yeah, and we get up all in your face and say women can't kill a newborn, too. Or a five year old. Or a ten year old. Or a Dragonlady.

We're such intrusive busy bodies!

 

[g5000]

I'm very much pro birth control. Literally HALF of all abortions are the result of sexual intercourse in which NO birth control of any kind was used. Another fifth of abortions are the result of the improper or inconsistent use of birth control.

Just by getting people to use birth control more frequently and consistently would make the abortion rate plunge drastically.

Then abortion would not be so widespread, and thus would become less socially acceptable as a Final Solution to undesirable fetuses.

I agree with that but the GOP does not support Birth control for females...calls females who use birth control "sluts"

I don't.

So now what?

 

[Dragonlady]

The History Place - Rise of Hitler: The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party
Don't confuse thoughtful people who can think beyond the end of their noses with Nazi's. While I agree with Lucy that abortion shouldn't be used as a primary means of contraception, shit happens, and if the parent(s) realize they cannot take financial or emotional responsibility for bringing a life into the world, it is responsible to terminate that pregnancy. There aren't enough orphanages or enough foster/adoptive parents in the world to take care of the kids we already have in state custody.
Pro-choice supporters aren't Nazi's, anymore than Trump supporters are Nazi's. We have all become much too quick to fling around dramatic terms with no basis in fact.

Killing the most innocent and vulnerable among us is "responsible"? WTF?

The whole point is that abortion is not "killing the most innocent and vulnerable among us". The fetus is not "among us".