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/---/ good for both of them. Best of luck./----/ As to point #3 : The vocational schools that were so popular in the last century have almost gone away. Yes there are some, but not like when I grew up. Auto mechanics, carpentry and so forth were viable options to those who were not college material. You could learn a trade and make a middle class living with a modest home and base model Chevy in the driveway. Do any High Schools still offer Shop or Home Economics?bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
In 1953, when Americans had the most widespread prosperity ever, one third of the CEOs didn't have college degrees. It is significant that this was hidden away in a footnote in the bestseller, The Organization Man.That may be true, there are many people that have a high school education and hove gone to run fortune 500 companies.
Is that the world you want?
(This is in reply to Post #285. My computer was so depressed by the parroted "thinking" here by the Netwits caged on both the Left and the Right that it tried to commit suicide.)
Each of your corporate Masters' authoritarian talking points you recite proves how dumbed down college graduates are, which reflects on their ability to do the jobs they stole through brownnosing.
#1 = "The more posts a poster makes, the more that proves he is stupid."
#2 Person is the subject, so change the verb to is. Unstructured grammar is evidence of unstructured thought.
#3 All that proves is that college "education" means students having their parents buy them their future jobs. The brainwashed public is prevented from realizing the overwhelming psychological advantage richkids have in living off an adult allowance.
#4 This unmotivating school playground for Preppies is the key to why the economy has gone downhill since 1953.
The school district where I live has what is called Career Centers. Within the District, there are several of them. Each one has students from several high schools based on geography. Most teach the same courses (Auto Body, Cosmetology, Culinary Arts, Mechatronics, Welding, Carpentry, etc.). Each Center has some of it's own distinct programs. For the most part, they teach the types of things you speak of. A friend's daughter finished the Cosmetology program at one of them receiving whatever certification is required in that field to do cosmetology. She went on to a university for a Business degree and now own her own shop and has several others working under her.
/----/ You said: "college is work without pay. So is vocational training. " That makes no sense. Do you expect to get paid while getting an education? What is it you're trying to say?
/---/ good for both of them. Best of luck./----/ As to point #3 : The vocational schools that were so popular in the last century have almost gone away. Yes there are some, but not like when I grew up. Auto mechanics, carpentry and so forth were viable options to those who were not college material. You could learn a trade and make a middle class living with a modest home and base model Chevy in the driveway. Do any High Schools still offer Shop or Home Economics?bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
In 1953, when Americans had the most widespread prosperity ever, one third of the CEOs didn't have college degrees. It is significant that this was hidden away in a footnote in the bestseller, The Organization Man.
Is that the world you want?
(This is in reply to Post #285. My computer was so depressed by the parroted "thinking" here by the Netwits caged on both the Left and the Right that it tried to commit suicide.)
Each of your corporate Masters' authoritarian talking points you recite proves how dumbed down college graduates are, which reflects on their ability to do the jobs they stole through brownnosing.
#1 = "The more posts a poster makes, the more that proves he is stupid."
#2 Person is the subject, so change the verb to is. Unstructured grammar is evidence of unstructured thought.
#3 All that proves is that college "education" means students having their parents buy them their future jobs. The brainwashed public is prevented from realizing the overwhelming psychological advantage richkids have in living off an adult allowance.
#4 This unmotivating school playground for Preppies is the key to why the economy has gone downhill since 1953.
The school district where I live has what is called Career Centers. Within the District, there are several of them. Each one has students from several high schools based on geography. Most teach the same courses (Auto Body, Cosmetology, Culinary Arts, Mechatronics, Welding, Carpentry, etc.). Each Center has some of it's own distinct programs. For the most part, they teach the types of things you speak of. A friend's daughter finished the Cosmetology program at one of them receiving whatever certification is required in that field to do cosmetology. She went on to a university for a Business degree and now own her own shop and has several others working under her.
/----/ You said: "college is work without pay. So is vocational training. " That makes no sense. Do you expect to get paid while getting an education? What is it you're trying to say?
Students get grades instead of a salary for writing historical papers, doing laboratory experiments, and even coming up with new ideas and inventions.
I have a good friend that teaches and he says he can't count the number of times he's had students say "we don't get paid to be here like you do". His response to them is when you've done what I've done to be able to get paid, so will you in whatever field you choose to do.
/-----/. so?/----/ You said: "college is work without pay. So is vocational training. " That makes no sense. Do you expect to get paid while getting an education? What is it you're trying to say?
Students get grades instead of a salary for writing historical papers, doing laboratory experiments, and even coming up with new ideas and inventions.
Republicans just aren't smart enough for college. It's that simple.
This is how open minded the modern liberal is to new ideas.
Milo's ideas are far from new. Same shit, new package. Just more nonsense.
Speaking for myself I would say my reaction to the Trump disruptions has been confirmation of my thoughts of Trump''s character and comportment and not outrage over the havoc it brings. I feel as if the Trump of the campaign and the division it brought by his words and attitudes is the Trump presidency.obama had a billion dollars spent on him to get a 400 thousand a year jobI've never been able to figure out why Liberals spend so much on degrees that pay so little if they're so smart.Because the dummies were duped into paying $200,000 in tuition for a degree worth about $40k?
lots of educated people have just as many fears as lessor educated people and can be just as susceptible to fear mongering.......look at how so many so called educated liberals are reacting to the shit being thrown around about trump........In my personal experience higher education exposes a person to more diverse ways of thinking. One becomes more cosmopolitan in outlook. With such exposure, it becomes more difficult to be swayed by fear and suspicion, two aspects driving the modern American Conservative (who is indeed not Conservative, but Nationalist and xenophobic)
Today's Conservative is a victim of a cult of personality rather than ideology. Not all,that long ago, true Conservatives were applauding, among others, Paul Ryan on the GOP ticket as he brought fiscal Conservatism to the Republican brand. Since then, the Roger Stone/Paul Manafort Wing of dirty politics driven by lies, obfuscation, fear and suspicion has hijacked the ideologiwing of the GOP.
Being exposed to people in a college setting allows one to see through these vile aspects of contemporary politics.
So, yes. People with higher education are not as susceptible to fear mongering.
I know his most avid supporters reveled in the chaos. But here's where at least the exposure to a higher education pays off. The ability to recognize that chaos is not a solution and opting for chaos is a fool's game. Had the Trump supporters been just a little more far sighted, we might not have had Trump as a front runner in the nominating process.
That would have put, most certainly, an ideologue at the head of the GOP ticket. Ideologues are more pragmatic than egomaniacs. Ideologues would be more accomplished at agenda advancement. Ideologues, though not saints as are we all, may have a few social rough spots but not the constant reminders of blatant division and winks and nods to the most despicable players in American politics today.
My guess is that the study in the OP is correct overall, but it wouldn't make people of one ideology better or more important to the country than the other significantly.
But on a (possibly) related matter, I do very much wonder when advanced education, intellectual acuity and a general ability to speak in an articulate manner became negative qualities for the GOP.
Dubya, Palin, Trump. All are hailed for their simplistic speech patterns as "speaking from the heart" - which, by the way, obviously has nothing to do with intelligence - and there is a clear trend here.
When did this happen, and why?
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I'm not taking sides here, just posting these links as some interesting reading on why those with college degrees in America, Canada, and Europe tend to be more Liberal, and why the less educated tend to be more Conservative, also, why American's believe they control their own destiny, while those in other countries would prefer the state to play a larger role in their lives.
Whatever side of the partisan fence you are on, this might make some interesting reading.
Why the Most Educated Americans Vote Democratic
How the education gap is tearing politics apart | David Runciman
5 ways Americans and Europeans are different
I have a good friend that teaches and he says he can't count the number of times he's had students say "we don't get paid to be here like you do". His response to them is when you've done what I've done to be able to get paid, so will you in whatever field you choose to do.
You have students, both good and bad. You have student, especially in computer science, working in industry while in school.
they do bill themselves as the party who loses to idiots on a regular basis.......every time they lose they tell me how big of idiot the other guy is ......and they lostFrom my experience on this forum libs are the least educated people in the country and that makes them easy to manipulate by Deep State puppeteers.
Their "education" in reality is just propaganda based on ZERO historical facts.
Educated people would not destroy over 100 y.o. statues just because somebody told them "they are bad".
I'm not taking sides here, just posting these links as some interesting reading on why those with college degrees in America, Canada, and Europe tend to be more Liberal, and why the less educated tend to be more Conservative, also, why American's believe they control their own destiny, while those in other countries would prefer the state to play a larger role in their lives.
Whatever side of the partisan fence you are on, this might make some interesting reading.
Why the Most Educated Americans Vote Democratic
How the education gap is tearing politics apart | David Runciman
5 ways Americans and Europeans are different
Because they spent TWELVE YEARS in Liberal Universities getting incessantly hammered with liberal ideology drilled into them by their liberal professors that if they did not regurgitate it back to them with acceptance, they got a failing grade.
So, it's not that they are more "educated," just that liberal ideologies have been made synonymous with intelligence by the Left! It's all a liberal lie.
The fact is that most of the best universities are very liberal and you just don't graduate from them with good grades unless you please your liberal teacher.
I cannot say that they are all corrupt but I have also seen corruption in some of them. I wouldn't say just because someone own expensive property beside having a normal trade they are corrupt. My dad was in a trade union but he also invested in property through the years. His mom was a real estate broker. They bought and fixed houses when he wasn't working. Each time they sold one they worked their way up to a nicer place. They didn't live on borrowed money with huge mortgages. When freeways went in they bought some really nice houses that either had to be torn down or moved. We lived in some pretty snazzy houses growing up because of that.I was in the carpenters union, and I know people who got in by passing the business agent money under the table. Unions are utterly corrupt. The business agent was widely known to own about 40 acres of land just outside of Boulder Co. The cost of that would be well over a million. It's hard to justify that on a salary of $36,000/yrIt depends on which trade union. For some if you have the actual experience and can pass their test they will accept you with less time to be spent as an apprentice.I said you don't have to get a degree to be certified. Please keep up.
In my state you don't have to be an apprentice to become certified in a vocational trade. I've held a general contractor's license for almost 30 years. While I worked in the field for several years before getting the license, it wasn't required to do so.
I NEVER said you had to get a degree. I said you have to still get an education that requires training for your specific field of vocation... which totally makes your argument wrong.
Neither did I. What you did say was that to become certified in vocational trades requires being an apprentice. That is untrue as a general statement.
Can you get accepted into Unions of Trades without apprenticeships?
