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I have seen the results of the current cattle type operation in the education system and I am not impressed. Your opinion doesn't hold any credence with me either, so no biggy.You should go to your local major university and ask to sit in on a Grad school lecture and then draw an opinion.
Of course knowing your position on most issues here, your opinion doesn't go very far.
Funny, I'm seeing firsthand what a Grad student's work load is and the type of material that is used. You on the other hand just hate people with post secondary educations.
Would you prefer a doctor that learned their trade over Youtube or through trial and error? If you were arrested would you want your lawyer to have learned his trade on his own without a degree?
Hillary Clinton was elected to the Senate in NY having never held an elected office prior to that. When she was running, her supporters argued that her time as 1st Lady was a qualification. Are you saying that being married to someone who holds an office makes one qualified? My wife is a nurse anesthetist. We've discussed, in detail, what her job involves. Does that mean I could do the job?
Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. And last time I checked there is NO educational requirement to run for a seat in the Senate. That's why they are representatives of the people.
Does being a lawyer make her qualified?
For those that elected her to the Senate and Obama as President, it's apparent that being educated isn't a requirement to vote either.
I'm not taking sides here, just posting these links as some interesting reading on why those with college degrees in America, Canada, and Europe tend to be more Liberal, and why the less educated tend to be more Conservative, also, why American's believe they control their own destiny, while those in other countries would prefer the state to play a larger role in their lives.
Whatever side of the partisan fence you are on, this might make some interesting reading.
Why the Most Educated Americans Vote Democratic
How the education gap is tearing politics apart | David Runciman
5 ways Americans and Europeans are different
I've never been able to figure out why Liberals spend so much on degrees that pay so little if they're so smart.
It's because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees. You can't even be a manager at a lot of retail stores without a degree.
There are plumbers and electricians that make more that managers at a lot of retail stores and they don't have degrees.
And? A lot of plumbers still have to pass tests and be certified. Of course not all people are mechanically inclined.
I was addressing the statement of "because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees". That's not necessarily true.
Passing a test to be certified isn't the same as a degree.
Lots of people drop out of school without a hs diploma yet certain ideologies in society still want employers to pay them for a skill set that most 5 year olds have.
So your saying you don't need to study to get certified? You do understand that to become certified in most vocational trades requires being an apprentice... which isn't mush different than going to college. Your argument fails in that matter.
I have seen the results of the current cattle type operation in the education system and I am not impressed. Your opinion doesn't hold any credence with me either, so no biggy.
Funny, I'm seeing firsthand what a Grad student's work load is and the type of material that is used. You on the other hand just hate people with post secondary educations.
Would you prefer a doctor that learned their trade over Youtube or through trial and error? If you were arrested would you want your lawyer to have learned his trade on his own without a degree?
Hillary Clinton was elected to the Senate in NY having never held an elected office prior to that. When she was running, her supporters argued that her time as 1st Lady was a qualification. Are you saying that being married to someone who holds an office makes one qualified? My wife is a nurse anesthetist. We've discussed, in detail, what her job involves. Does that mean I could do the job?
Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. And last time I checked there is NO educational requirement to run for a seat in the Senate. That's why they are representatives of the people.
Does being a lawyer make her qualified?
For those that elected her to the Senate and Obama as President, it's apparent that being educated isn't a requirement to vote either.
What made her qualified is that she got the most votes. That's how elections work.
It is human nature to group think in a linear mode. They should learn to turn their funnels around and look out from that small end.It's funny how Libs are always telling everyone how smart they think they are.
I'm not taking sides here, just posting these links as some interesting reading on why those with college degrees in America, Canada, and Europe tend to be more Liberal, and why the less educated tend to be more Conservative, also, why American's believe they control their own destiny, while those in other countries would prefer the state to play a larger role in their lives.
Whatever side of the partisan fence you are on, this might make some interesting reading.
Why the Most Educated Americans Vote Democratic
How the education gap is tearing politics apart | David Runciman
5 ways Americans and Europeans are different
Sounds like a good reason to make public universities free for residents.
I have seen the results of the current cattle type operation in the education system and I am not impressed. Your opinion doesn't hold any credence with me either, so no biggy.
Funny, I'm seeing firsthand what a Grad student's work load is and the type of material that is used. You on the other hand just hate people with post secondary educations.
Would you prefer a doctor that learned their trade over Youtube or through trial and error? If you were arrested would you want your lawyer to have learned his trade on his own without a degree?
Hillary Clinton was elected to the Senate in NY having never held an elected office prior to that. When she was running, her supporters argued that her time as 1st Lady was a qualification. Are you saying that being married to someone who holds an office makes one qualified? My wife is a nurse anesthetist. We've discussed, in detail, what her job involves. Does that mean I could do the job?
Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. And last time I checked there is NO educational requirement to run for a seat in the Senate. That's why they are representatives of the people.
Does being a lawyer make her qualified?
For those that elected her to the Senate and Obama as President, it's apparent that being educated isn't a requirement to vote either.
What made her qualified is that she got the most votes. That's how elections work.
You are wrong. An apprentice in the trades must work with a journeyman (the expert in that field). Colleges on the other hand are passing out degrees and many of these pos's that hold degrees claim they are experts and they don't know their shit is nasty.It's because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees. You can't even be a manager at a lot of retail stores without a degree.
There are plumbers and electricians that make more that managers at a lot of retail stores and they don't have degrees.
And? A lot of plumbers still have to pass tests and be certified. Of course not all people are mechanically inclined.
I was addressing the statement of "because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees". That's not necessarily true.
Passing a test to be certified isn't the same as a degree.
Lots of people drop out of school without a hs diploma yet certain ideologies in society still want employers to pay them for a skill set that most 5 year olds have.
So your saying you don't need to study to get certified? You do understand that to become certified in most vocational trades requires being an apprentice... which isn't mush different than going to college. Your argument fails in that matter.
I'm not taking sides here, just posting these links as some interesting reading on why those with college degrees in America, Canada, and Europe tend to be more Liberal, and why the less educated tend to be more Conservative, also, why American's believe they control their own destiny, while those in other countries would prefer the state to play a larger role in their lives.
Whatever side of the partisan fence you are on, this might make some interesting reading.
Why the Most Educated Americans Vote Democratic
How the education gap is tearing politics apart | David Runciman
5 ways Americans and Europeans are different
Sounds like a good reason to make public universities free for residents.
It's because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees. You can't even be a manager at a lot of retail stores without a degree.
There are plumbers and electricians that make more that managers at a lot of retail stores and they don't have degrees.
And? A lot of plumbers still have to pass tests and be certified. Of course not all people are mechanically inclined.
I was addressing the statement of "because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees". That's not necessarily true.
Passing a test to be certified isn't the same as a degree.
Lots of people drop out of school without a hs diploma yet certain ideologies in society still want employers to pay them for a skill set that most 5 year olds have.
So your saying you don't need to study to get certified? You do understand that to become certified in most vocational trades requires being an apprentice... which isn't mush different than going to college. Your argument fails in that matter.
I said you don't have to get a degree to be certified. Please keep up.
In my state you don't have to be an apprentice to become certified in a vocational trade. I've held a general contractor's license for almost 30 years. While I worked in the field for several years before getting the license, it wasn't required to do so.
You are wrong. An apprentice in the trades must work with a journeyman (the expert in that field). Colleges on the other hand are passing out degrees and many of these pos's that hold degrees claim they are experts and they don't know their shit is nasty.It's because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees. You can't even be a manager at a lot of retail stores without a degree.
There are plumbers and electricians that make more that managers at a lot of retail stores and they don't have degrees.
And? A lot of plumbers still have to pass tests and be certified. Of course not all people are mechanically inclined.
I was addressing the statement of "because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees". That's not necessarily true.
Passing a test to be certified isn't the same as a degree.
Lots of people drop out of school without a hs diploma yet certain ideologies in society still want employers to pay them for a skill set that most 5 year olds have.
So your saying you don't need to study to get certified? You do understand that to become certified in most vocational trades requires being an apprentice... which isn't mush different than going to college. Your argument fails in that matter.
Funny, I'm seeing firsthand what a Grad student's work load is and the type of material that is used. You on the other hand just hate people with post secondary educations.
Would you prefer a doctor that learned their trade over Youtube or through trial and error? If you were arrested would you want your lawyer to have learned his trade on his own without a degree?
Hillary Clinton was elected to the Senate in NY having never held an elected office prior to that. When she was running, her supporters argued that her time as 1st Lady was a qualification. Are you saying that being married to someone who holds an office makes one qualified? My wife is a nurse anesthetist. We've discussed, in detail, what her job involves. Does that mean I could do the job?
Hillary Clinton is a lawyer. And last time I checked there is NO educational requirement to run for a seat in the Senate. That's why they are representatives of the people.
Does being a lawyer make her qualified?
For those that elected her to the Senate and Obama as President, it's apparent that being educated isn't a requirement to vote either.
What made her qualified is that she got the most votes. That's how elections work.
How many votes one gets has nothing to do with being qualified. That's what get you elected but it doesn't equate to being qualified. Obama is a good example. Lots of vote, very few qualifications.
There are plumbers and electricians that make more that managers at a lot of retail stores and they don't have degrees.
And? A lot of plumbers still have to pass tests and be certified. Of course not all people are mechanically inclined.
I was addressing the statement of "because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees". That's not necessarily true.
Passing a test to be certified isn't the same as a degree.
Lots of people drop out of school without a hs diploma yet certain ideologies in society still want employers to pay them for a skill set that most 5 year olds have.
So your saying you don't need to study to get certified? You do understand that to become certified in most vocational trades requires being an apprentice... which isn't mush different than going to college. Your argument fails in that matter.
I said you don't have to get a degree to be certified. Please keep up.
In my state you don't have to be an apprentice to become certified in a vocational trade. I've held a general contractor's license for almost 30 years. While I worked in the field for several years before getting the license, it wasn't required to do so.
I NEVER said you had to get a degree. I said you have to still get an education that requires training for your specific field of vocation... which totally makes your argument wrong.
You are wrong. An apprentice in the trades must work with a journeyman (the expert in that field). Colleges on the other hand are passing out degrees and many of these pos's that hold degrees claim they are experts and they don't know their shit is nasty.There are plumbers and electricians that make more that managers at a lot of retail stores and they don't have degrees.
And? A lot of plumbers still have to pass tests and be certified. Of course not all people are mechanically inclined.
I was addressing the statement of "because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees". That's not necessarily true.
Passing a test to be certified isn't the same as a degree.
Lots of people drop out of school without a hs diploma yet certain ideologies in society still want employers to pay them for a skill set that most 5 year olds have.
So your saying you don't need to study to get certified? You do understand that to become certified in most vocational trades requires being an apprentice... which isn't mush different than going to college. Your argument fails in that matter.
I hold a general contractor's license and while I worked in the field for several years before getting the license, it wasn't a requirement for me to do so. All I had to do was pass a test that showed I had a certain level of knowledge in the field. I agree, he's wrong.
Not sure I would agree with that summation unless it includes the aspect that they are not readied yet to see those things. The veil remains for some for different reasons.It is human nature to group think in a linear mode. They should learn to turn their funnels around and look out from that small end.It's funny how Libs are always telling everyone how smart they think they are.
There's a reason that most people are only taught to think in a linear mode. Once a human learns to look at things asymetrically they see things they were never meant to see.
I'm not taking sides here, just posting these links as some interesting reading on why those with college degrees in America, Canada, and Europe tend to be more Liberal, and why the less educated tend to be more Conservative, also, why American's believe they control their own destiny, while those in other countries would prefer the state to play a larger role in their lives.
Whatever side of the partisan fence you are on, this might make some interesting reading.
Why the Most Educated Americans Vote Democratic
How the education gap is tearing politics apart | David Runciman
5 ways Americans and Europeans are different
Thank you. I was beginning to feel lonely.According to a New York Times headline dated April 14, 2010, “Poll Finds Tea Party Backers Wealthier and More Educated.” Shattering widespread myths, that survey revealed that Tea Party supporters were more likely to possess a college degree than their counterparts (23% to 15%), and also more likely to have completed post-graduate studies (14% to 10%). Tea Partiers were also more likely to have completed “some college” by a 33% to 28% margin, and substantially less likely to have not completed high school than non-supporters (3% versus 12%), or to possess only a high school degree (26% versus 35%).
And? A lot of plumbers still have to pass tests and be certified. Of course not all people are mechanically inclined.
I was addressing the statement of "because most well paying jobs have requirements that you have degrees". That's not necessarily true.
Passing a test to be certified isn't the same as a degree.
Lots of people drop out of school without a hs diploma yet certain ideologies in society still want employers to pay them for a skill set that most 5 year olds have.
So your saying you don't need to study to get certified? You do understand that to become certified in most vocational trades requires being an apprentice... which isn't mush different than going to college. Your argument fails in that matter.
I said you don't have to get a degree to be certified. Please keep up.
In my state you don't have to be an apprentice to become certified in a vocational trade. I've held a general contractor's license for almost 30 years. While I worked in the field for several years before getting the license, it wasn't required to do so.
I NEVER said you had to get a degree. I said you have to still get an education that requires training for your specific field of vocation... which totally makes your argument wrong.
Neither did I. What you did say was that to become certified in vocational trades requires being an apprentice. That is untrue as a general statement.
