Why has the right abandoned small government?

[Oddball]

Johnson only shows how low the Libertarian Party has fallen. He's a big government liberal who smokes dope.

You voted for Trump and yet you're falsely knocking someone else for being big government. That's rich.

Johnson is a fraud. He's a big government liberal. Trump is the most conservative president we've had since Reagan. Who should I have voted for, Hillary? That's the question Trump haters like you can never answer.

Oh, he may well be the most conservative president since the 80s, but that isn't small government, is it, which is the entire point of the thread. Conservatives abandoned small government during the Bush 43 years.

They abandoned small gubmint in the Eisenhower years, when they became appeasers and enablers of the left.

 

[Cellblock2429]

It has been clear to me for years the right has abandoned small government. As someone who still believes in the teachings of Milton Friedman I find this disturbing. But after 2 years of Republican control and deficits increasing drastically it is obvious small government has been abandoned. Now they are probably slightly less big government than the democrats, but there is no doubt they are big government. Small government economists do not support tariffs or deficits. And they certainly don't support the kinds of special tax deals like Foxconn that the right now champions.

What we have now is two big government parties who support different social issues. Will a small government party emerge or will we become socialists? I'm curious if there are any other real small government people out there.

/——/ Why do you spread lying piece of shyt Strawman arguments? I can do it too. Why do democRATs force women into abortions just so they can profit from selling baby parts?

 

[Mac1958]

You cannot show anything that Trump has or has not done to the deficit. All you can do is show what the liberals in the media say he has done.

I'd show you the numbers from the Treasury, but I assume that's Deep State Fake News 'n stuff.

Yikes. Well, run with your reality.
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[Dont Taz Me Bro]

You cannot show anything that Trump has or has not done to the deficit. All you can do is show what the liberals in the media say he has done.

 

[Brain357]

Free trade comes to mind.

Trump is using tariff's as a negotiating tool. He has no intention to have high tariff's as a permanent policy.

And yet we are all paying tariffs. Government often says things are temporary that stay around forever.

Show your receipt.

You think that you haven't bought anything effected by tariffs?

Show us your receipt or stop lying traitor. You said we all are paying it, show us liar.

I can't help you if you think you have bought nothing effected by tariffs.

 

[Cellblock2429]

You cannot show anything that Trump has or has not done to the deficit. All you can do is show what the liberals in the media say he has done.

I'd show you the numbers from the Treasury, but I assume that's Deep State Fake News 'n stuff.

Yikes. Well, run with your reality.
.

/——/ So if Trump controls spending why doesn’t he order $50 billion for a wall? Why go through an emergency? Any clue you dummy?

 

[Brain357]

Free trade comes to mind.

Trump is using tariff's as a negotiating tool. He has no intention to have high tariff's as a permanent policy.

And yet we are all paying tariffs. Government often says things are temporary that stay around forever.

You mean like every program Dims have ever proposed? Kasich added millions of Ohioans to Medicaid. That will never be revoked.

The USA is a low tariff country. That's how China, South Korea and Europe take advantage of us.

You should watch.

I've read every book Friedman ever wrote.

The bottom line is that we have a problem with countries like China that steal our technology, violate our copyrights and systematically loot our country. Tariffs are about the only way to deal with these criminals.

I agree stealing technology and violating copyright is bad. So why don't we stop buying anything from them? I suspect they would stop stealing a lot faster than taxing ourselves will work.

 

[BrokeLoser]

It has been clear to me for years the right has abandoned small government. As someone who still believes in the teachings of Milton Friedman I find this disturbing. But after 2 years of Republican control and deficits increasing drastically it is obvious small government has been abandoned. Now they are probably slightly less big government than the democrats, but there is no doubt they are big government. Small government economists do not support tariffs or deficits. And they certainly don't support the kinds of special tax deals like Foxconn that the right now champions.

What we have now is two big government parties who support different social issues. Will a small government party emerge or will we become socialists? I'm curious if there are any other real small government people out there.

We want a government just big enough to stop filthy LefTards from doing what filthy LefTards do that’s all.

 

[JimH52]

Republicans can't do it alone and in two freaking years especially when the MSM has become the propaganda arm of the left. Relax and be patient.

Johnson only shows how low the Libertarian Party has fallen. He's a big government liberal who smokes dope.

You voted for Trump and yet you're falsely knocking someone else for being big government. That's rich.

trump has turned the principles and policies of the Republican Party upside down....Amazing that these, so called, Conservatives roll over on their backs for him.

Which policies has he turned "upside down?"

To name a few

- deficit busting budgets
-abandoned allies and demeaning NATO
-Denying Intel and continually criticizing the DOJ
-Swooning over a murdering Dictator like Purtin
-Abandoning the Free Enterprise system...instead using tariffa as weapons....

Need more?

 

[Mac1958]

You cannot show anything that Trump has or has not done to the deficit. All you can do is show what the liberals in the media say he has done.

I'd show you the numbers from the Treasury, but I assume that's Deep State Fake News 'n stuff.

Yikes. Well, run with your reality.
.

/——/ So if Trump controls spending why doesn’t he order $50 billion for a wall? Why go through an emergency? Any clue you dummy?

I know. Deficits are always the other side's fault.

I'm sure you defended Obama's spending too.

Too funny.
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[danielpalos]

Trump is using tariff's as a negotiating tool. He has no intention to have high tariff's as a permanent policy.

And yet we are all paying tariffs. Government often says things are temporary that stay around forever.

You mean like every program Dims have ever proposed? Kasich added millions of Ohioans to Medicaid. That will never be revoked.

The USA is a low tariff country. That's how China, South Korea and Europe take advantage of us.

You should watch.

I've read every book Friedman ever wrote.

The bottom line is that we have a problem with countries like China that steal our technology, violate our copyrights and systematically loot our country. Tariffs are about the only way to deal with these criminals.

I agree stealing technology and violating copyright is bad. So why don't we stop buying anything from them? I suspect they would stop stealing a lot faster than taxing ourselves will work.

more artistic deals were warranted.

 

[JimH52]

Conservative voters get suckered by rhetoric and platitudes and slogans and plans that never come to fruition. Look at what Trump has done to the deficit.

Simple fix: The GOP has to cut spending first, before it cuts taxes. Let it run on cutting Social Security and Medicare and Welfare and various departments and see if it gets elected. Then make the cuts. THEN cut taxes.

Let's see the party of fiscal responsibility be fiscally responsible.
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You cannot show anything that Trump has or has not done to the deficit. All you can do is show what the liberals in the media say he has done.

He hasn't decreased them, that is for sure.

You cannot show anything that Trump has or has not done to the deficit. All you can do is show what the liberals in the media say he has done.

The only thing for sure is that you will spew more media garbage declaring it the truth. lol

The increased deficit was understandable under Obama coming out of W's recession....but trump was handed a solid economy.....Still he is breaking deficit records. He had to give his rich friends a tax break....then proclaimed that the better economy would pay for it.

HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR YOU?

 

[Oddball]

Which had no chance. Kasich was good at authoring such exercises in futility. What real accomplishments does he have to his name?

He did some good things as governor.
John Kasich: 'I took the state of Ohio from an $8 billion hole … to a $2 billion surplus'

He did it with a massive tax increase. No thanks.

He cut income taxes.

Kasich is a tax and spend liberal who supported Obamacare:

Kasich’s Fiscal Record | The American Spectator | Politics is too important to be taken seriously.

John Kasich, the Governor of Ohio, makes his presidential announcement today. He becomes the 16th person to join the Republican field and the 8th current or former governor.

Kasich is a fiscal policy expert. He has made a federal Balanced Budget Amendment a key talking point in his speeches and appearances so far, and was known for being a budget cutter while in Congress. His record in Ohio tells a very different story. Spending has risen rapidly during Kasich’s tenure in Columbus.

Data from the National Association of State Budget Officers illustrates the rapid growth general fund spending. From fiscal year 2012, Kasich’s first full fiscal year, to fiscal year 2015, general fund spending increased in Ohio by 18 percent. Nationally, state general fund spending increased by 12 percent during that period. Kasich’s proposed budget for fiscal year 2016 increased spending further. It included a year-over-year increase of 11 percent. The average governor proposed a spending increase of 3 percent from fiscal year 2015 to fiscal year 2016.

Much of the increase is due to Kasich’s support of Medicaid expansion. In 2013 the Ohio House of Representatives opposed Medicaid expansion. They inserted a provision in the state budget forbidding the Kasich administration from expansion without their approval. Kasich stripped the provision from the budget and then proceeded to expand the program without their approval.

Just 18 months after the expansion took effect, the costs have exploded. According to a recent report from the state’s Legislative Service Commission, costs are 63 percent, or $1.4 billion, over budget. The report says the overage is because of “higher than expected caseloads and per person costs.” The expansion population was 600,000 in June of 2015, compared to estimates of 366,000. Medicaid expenditures are 9.5 percent higher in fiscal year 2015 than they were in fiscal year 2014.​

He went from a deficit to a surplus. The federal government has been going in the wrong direction.

There was NO FUCKING SURPLUS!

It, along with the fake "balance budget", were accounting ruses, perpetrated by the politicians of both parties and their media buttbois.

 

[Brain357]

He did some good things as governor.
John Kasich: 'I took the state of Ohio from an $8 billion hole … to a $2 billion surplus'

He did it with a massive tax increase. No thanks.

He cut income taxes.

Kasich is a tax and spend liberal who supported Obamacare:

Kasich’s Fiscal Record | The American Spectator | Politics is too important to be taken seriously.

John Kasich, the Governor of Ohio, makes his presidential announcement today. He becomes the 16th person to join the Republican field and the 8th current or former governor.

Kasich is a fiscal policy expert. He has made a federal Balanced Budget Amendment a key talking point in his speeches and appearances so far, and was known for being a budget cutter while in Congress. His record in Ohio tells a very different story. Spending has risen rapidly during Kasich’s tenure in Columbus.

Data from the National Association of State Budget Officers illustrates the rapid growth general fund spending. From fiscal year 2012, Kasich’s first full fiscal year, to fiscal year 2015, general fund spending increased in Ohio by 18 percent. Nationally, state general fund spending increased by 12 percent during that period. Kasich’s proposed budget for fiscal year 2016 increased spending further. It included a year-over-year increase of 11 percent. The average governor proposed a spending increase of 3 percent from fiscal year 2015 to fiscal year 2016.

Much of the increase is due to Kasich’s support of Medicaid expansion. In 2013 the Ohio House of Representatives opposed Medicaid expansion. They inserted a provision in the state budget forbidding the Kasich administration from expansion without their approval. Kasich stripped the provision from the budget and then proceeded to expand the program without their approval.

Just 18 months after the expansion took effect, the costs have exploded. According to a recent report from the state’s Legislative Service Commission, costs are 63 percent, or $1.4 billion, over budget. The report says the overage is because of “higher than expected caseloads and per person costs.” The expansion population was 600,000 in June of 2015, compared to estimates of 366,000. Medicaid expenditures are 9.5 percent higher in fiscal year 2015 than they were in fiscal year 2014.​

He went from a deficit to a surplus. The federal government has been going in the wrong direction.

There was NO FUCKING SURPLUS!

It, along with the fake "balance budget", were accounting ruses, perpetrated by the politicians of both parties and their media buttbois.

Ohio doesn't have a surplus? You must have a link to support that.

 

[Oddball]

He did it with a massive tax increase. No thanks.

He cut income taxes.

Kasich is a tax and spend liberal who supported Obamacare:

Kasich’s Fiscal Record | The American Spectator | Politics is too important to be taken seriously.

John Kasich, the Governor of Ohio, makes his presidential announcement today. He becomes the 16th person to join the Republican field and the 8th current or former governor.

Kasich is a fiscal policy expert. He has made a federal Balanced Budget Amendment a key talking point in his speeches and appearances so far, and was known for being a budget cutter while in Congress. His record in Ohio tells a very different story. Spending has risen rapidly during Kasich’s tenure in Columbus.

Data from the National Association of State Budget Officers illustrates the rapid growth general fund spending. From fiscal year 2012, Kasich’s first full fiscal year, to fiscal year 2015, general fund spending increased in Ohio by 18 percent. Nationally, state general fund spending increased by 12 percent during that period. Kasich’s proposed budget for fiscal year 2016 increased spending further. It included a year-over-year increase of 11 percent. The average governor proposed a spending increase of 3 percent from fiscal year 2015 to fiscal year 2016.

Much of the increase is due to Kasich’s support of Medicaid expansion. In 2013 the Ohio House of Representatives opposed Medicaid expansion. They inserted a provision in the state budget forbidding the Kasich administration from expansion without their approval. Kasich stripped the provision from the budget and then proceeded to expand the program without their approval.

Just 18 months after the expansion took effect, the costs have exploded. According to a recent report from the state’s Legislative Service Commission, costs are 63 percent, or $1.4 billion, over budget. The report says the overage is because of “higher than expected caseloads and per person costs.” The expansion population was 600,000 in June of 2015, compared to estimates of 366,000. Medicaid expenditures are 9.5 percent higher in fiscal year 2015 than they were in fiscal year 2014.​

He went from a deficit to a surplus. The federal government has been going in the wrong direction.

There was NO FUCKING SURPLUS!

It, along with the fake "balance budget", were accounting ruses, perpetrated by the politicians of both parties and their media buttbois.

Ohio doesn't have a surplus? You must have a link to support that.

I was talking about the federal fakery that was perpetrated on the nation in '98...My bad.

 

[RealDave]

Conservative voters get suckered by rhetoric and platitudes and slogans and plans that never come to fruition. Look at what Trump has done to the deficit.

Simple fix: The GOP has to cut spending first, before it cuts taxes. Let it run on cutting Social Security and Medicare and Welfare and various departments and see if it gets elected. Then make the cuts. THEN cut taxes.

Let's see the party of fiscal responsibility be fiscally responsible.
.

The problem is they've tried and failed. Sp we have to cut the edges and I think Trump is working on that. Cutting departmenta by 10% is a good start, eventually we will have to deal with entitlements, the sooner the better

Tru p will never do it.

If you cut Government spending by 10%, it will hurt the economy & trump rather dupe his dotard masses than do that.

 

[bripat9643]

Trump is using tariff's as a negotiating tool. He has no intention to have high tariff's as a permanent policy.

And yet we are all paying tariffs. Government often says things are temporary that stay around forever.

You mean like every program Dims have ever proposed? Kasich added millions of Ohioans to Medicaid. That will never be revoked.

The USA is a low tariff country. That's how China, South Korea and Europe take advantage of us.

You should watch.

I've read every book Friedman ever wrote.

The bottom line is that we have a problem with countries like China that steal our technology, violate our copyrights and systematically loot our country. Tariffs are about the only way to deal with these criminals.

I agree stealing technology and violating copyright is bad. So why don't we stop buying anything from them? I suspect they would stop stealing a lot faster than taxing ourselves will work.

And you imagine that would be better than Trump's strategy?

 

[bripat9643]

Conservative voters get suckered by rhetoric and platitudes and slogans and plans that never come to fruition. Look at what Trump has done to the deficit.

Simple fix: The GOP has to cut spending first, before it cuts taxes. Let it run on cutting Social Security and Medicare and Welfare and various departments and see if it gets elected. Then make the cuts. THEN cut taxes.

Let's see the party of fiscal responsibility be fiscally responsible.
.

The problem is they've tried and failed. Sp we have to cut the edges and I think Trump is working on that. Cutting departmenta by 10% is a good start, eventually we will have to deal with entitlements, the sooner the better

Tru p will never do it.

If you cut Government spending by 10%, it will hurt the economy & trump rather dupe his dotard masses than do that.

The economy would boom if we cut government spending by 10%. Government can't spend a dime without taking it from you first.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Conservative voters get suckered by rhetoric and platitudes and slogans and plans that never come to fruition. Look at what Trump has done to the deficit.

Simple fix: The GOP has to cut spending first, before it cuts taxes. Let it run on cutting Social Security and Medicare and Welfare and various departments and see if it gets elected. Then make the cuts. THEN cut taxes.

Let's see the party of fiscal responsibility be fiscally responsible.
.

The problem is they've tried and failed. Sp we have to cut the edges and I think Trump is working on that. Cutting departmenta by 10% is a good start, eventually we will have to deal with entitlements, the sooner the better

Tru p will never do it.

If you cut Government spending by 10%, it will hurt the economy & trump rather dupe his dotard masses than do that.

How?
Even with the shutdown the economy was fine.

 

[Brain357]

And yet we are all paying tariffs. Government often says things are temporary that stay around forever.

You mean like every program Dims have ever proposed? Kasich added millions of Ohioans to Medicaid. That will never be revoked.

The USA is a low tariff country. That's how China, South Korea and Europe take advantage of us.

You should watch.

I've read every book Friedman ever wrote.

The bottom line is that we have a problem with countries like China that steal our technology, violate our copyrights and systematically loot our country. Tariffs are about the only way to deal with these criminals.

I agree stealing technology and violating copyright is bad. So why don't we stop buying anything from them? I suspect they would stop stealing a lot faster than taxing ourselves will work.

And you imagine that would be better than Trump's strategy?

I suspect it would be more effective. Of course first you would have to sue them and if they refused to pay up get more serious. Other countries would probably be happy to join in with us since they steal everyone technology and copyrights.