Why hasn't Atheism been more influencial through history.

[Vastator]

First of all, that has absolutely nothing to do with my OP. Did you even read it, or did you just read the thread Title, and spout off a canned, prepared response? Second, You seem to be confused about the difference between theological atheism, and state mandated atheism. The examples you cite are perfect examples of what an enlightened atheist never wants to see happen. State atheism is just as bad as Theocracy.

What does it matter if the people believe it or the state sponsors it?

The end result is the same.

But the cause is not. The cause for those deaths is not Atheism, but Despotic Dictatorships. Over 2,000 people disappeared, and another 31,000 were tortured under the dictatorship of Pinochet, and he was a devout Roman Catholic. should we then suggest that Catholicism, or Christianity is responsible for all of those deaths, or do we properly hold responsible the despotic dictatorship under which those deaths occurred?

And under Atheist Despotic Dictatorships:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered

33k vs all that. ^

Clearly the numbers are just a wee bit higher. Need you wonder
further why Atheism doesn't "catch on"? People don't like that mass murdering stuff.

So, you believe Christianity is responsible for the deaths in Chile, under Pinochet?

I believe you're barking up the wrong ankle.

Nah... you've just debated yourself into a corner...

 

[Marion Morrison]

What does it matter if the people believe it or the state sponsors it?

The end result is the same.

But the cause is not. The cause for those deaths is not Atheism, but Despotic Dictatorships. Over 2,000 people disappeared, and another 31,000 were tortured under the dictatorship of Pinochet, and he was a devout Roman Catholic. should we then suggest that Catholicism, or Christianity is responsible for all of those deaths, or do we properly hold responsible the despotic dictatorship under which those deaths occurred?

And under Atheist Despotic Dictatorships:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered

33k vs all that. ^

Clearly the numbers are just a wee bit higher. Need you wonder
further why Atheism doesn't "catch on"? People don't like that mass murdering stuff.

So, you believe Christianity is responsible for the deaths in Chile, under Pinochet?

I believe you're barking up the wrong ankle.

Nah... you've just debated yourself into a corner...

Or so you think. The belief of Atheism is superior to exactly nothing. Because that's what it is, nothing.

0 + 0=0

Now when people clearly remember that almost every Atheist dictator murdered tons of people, they tend to shy away from that. It's not rocket surgery, baby.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Because people know that historically, Atheism leads to a lot of senseless, amoral killing with no moral compass.

Off the top of my head: Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

First of all, that has absolutely nothing to do with my OP. Did you even read it, or did you just read the thread Title, and spout off a canned, prepared response? Second, You seem to be confused about the difference between theological atheism, and state mandated atheism. The examples you cite are perfect examples of what an enlightened atheist never wants to see happen. State atheism is just as bad as Theocracy.

What does it matter if the people believe it or the state sponsors it?

The end result is the same.

But the cause is not. The cause for those deaths is not Atheism, but Despotic Dictatorships. Over 2,000 people disappeared, and another 31,000 were tortured under the dictatorship of Pinochet, and he was a devout Roman Catholic. should we then suggest that Catholicism, or Christianity is responsible for all of those deaths, or do we properly hold responsible the despotic dictatorship under which those deaths occurred?

And under Atheist Despotic Dictatorships:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered

33k vs all that. ^

Clearly the numbers are just a wee bit higher. Need you wonder
further why Atheism doesn't "catch on"? People don't like that mass murdering stuff.

Who you kidding? The founders of, along with many followers of Christianity absolutely love that kind of thing! Thier Old Testament is littered with stories of genocide,after genocide,after genocide. Heroic tales of revered groups of Israelites marching from city, to,city, to city; wiping out every man woman and child.(Except the ones that were kept for sex slaves, of course). In fact the genocides committed by Christianity's heros were much more thorough than those committed in modern times. The difference?
Few but the most depraved look back at Hitler, Mao, or Stalin with reverence for what they did in regards to mass murder. Christians however hold great respect and reverence for the "heros" of the Old Testament such as Moses, David, Solomon... and the list goes on,and on. Not only are they revered by followers of the Christian faith. These followers even make excuses for their barbarity. Actually defend and justify the genocides committed by the patriarchs of the faith they've adopted.

So... yeah... there's a difference. But it isn't the death toll...

Oh, so now you believe The Bible, right? I take it you've done extensive Bible study, correct?

Margot, is that you?

 

[Vastator]

But the cause is not. The cause for those deaths is not Atheism, but Despotic Dictatorships. Over 2,000 people disappeared, and another 31,000 were tortured under the dictatorship of Pinochet, and he was a devout Roman Catholic. should we then suggest that Catholicism, or Christianity is responsible for all of those deaths, or do we properly hold responsible the despotic dictatorship under which those deaths occurred?

And under Atheist Despotic Dictatorships:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered

33k vs all that. ^

Clearly the numbers are just a wee bit higher. Need you wonder
further why Atheism doesn't "catch on"? People don't like that mass murdering stuff.

So, you believe Christianity is responsible for the deaths in Chile, under Pinochet?

I believe you're barking up the wrong ankle.

Nah... you've just debated yourself into a corner...

Or so you think. The belief of Atheism is superior to exactly nothing. Because that's what it is, nothing.

0 + 0=0

Now when people clearly remember that almost every Atheist dictator murdered tons of people, they tend to shy away from that. It's not rocket surgery, baby.

So have even more religious dictators. You have no point. History remembers far more religious leaders committing atrocities than Athiests. What's more is that the religious ones did it in the name of their religion. The athiests just did it to consolidate power. They didn't do it because a talking man in the sky told them to.

 

[Marion Morrison]

And under Atheist Despotic Dictatorships:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered

33k vs all that. ^

Clearly the numbers are just a wee bit higher. Need you wonder
further why Atheism doesn't "catch on"? People don't like that mass murdering stuff.

So, you believe Christianity is responsible for the deaths in Chile, under Pinochet?

I believe you're barking up the wrong ankle.

Nah... you've just debated yourself into a corner...

Or so you think. The belief of Atheism is superior to exactly nothing. Because that's what it is, nothing.

0 + 0=0

Now when people clearly remember that almost every Atheist dictator murdered tons of people, they tend to shy away from that. It's not rocket surgery, baby.

So have even more religious dictators. You have no point. History remembers far more religious leaders committing atrocities than Athiests. What's more is that the religious ones did it in the name of their religion. The athiests just did it to consolidate power. They didn't do it because a talking man in the sky told them to.

No, you have no point. How does an Atheist even define the difference between good and evil? They can't. Every human perception is different.

By the way, add up all the deaths attributed to God ( Include The Bible) Then tally up all the numbers I posted and see which sum is greater. It will be the Atheists. Game. Set. Match.

 

[ding]

It has often been pointed out all of the things that have occurred under the "guidance" of Christianity, through history, and the question has been asked, "Where has atheism been?" I thought that, perhaps it was time to put things into perspective.

During the Early Middle Ages and Middle Ages, the open espousal of atheistic views was rare in Europe, and atheism was a very uncommon, even dangerous, doctrine to hold. The charge of atheism was regularly used as way of attacking one's political or religious enemies, and the repercussions were severe. However, certain heterodox views were put forward by individual theologists such as Johannes Scotus Eriugena, David of Dinant, Amalric of Bena and William of Ockham, and by groups like the Brethren of the Free Spirit, and several writers mention that there were “not a few” (in the words of John Calvin) who denied the existence of God.

For most of the Middle Ages, religion was so universally dominant that it was not even believed possible that someone could deny the existence of God. Heterodox views were equally rare in the medieval Islamic world, although the 9th Century scholar Ibn al-Rawandi did go so far as to criticize the notion of religious prophecy (including even that of Mohammed), and maintained that religious dogmas were not acceptable to reason and must be rejected.

The European Renaissance of the 15th to 17th Centuries did much to expand the scope of freethought and skeptical inquiry, although criticisms of the religious establishment (such as those of Niccolò Machiavelli, Leonardo da Vinci, Bonaventure des Périers and François Rabelais) usually did not amount to actual atheism. As the scientific discoveries of Copernicus and Galileo became increasingly accepted, man's long-assumed privileged place in the universe appeared less and less justifiable. Progressive thinkers like Giordano Bruno, Lucilio Vanini and Galileo Galilei, bravely battling against the odds, were all savagely persecuted by the powerful Catholic Church of their time. Among those executed (often after torture) for the crime of atheism were Étienne Dolet in 1546, Giordano Bruno in 1600, Lucilio Vanini in 1619, Kazimierz Lyszczynskiin 1689 and Jean-François de la Barre as late as 1766.

With the religious infighting during the Protestant Reformation in the 16th Century, dissent of all kinds flourished, and some sects (such as the Anabaptists, Unitarians and Deists) developed much more humanist and less traditionally religious variants. Criticism of Christianity became increasingly frequent in the 17th and 18th Centuries, led by independent thinkers such as Thomas Hobbes, Baruch Spinoza and David Hume. The number of outspoken refutations to atheism during this period attests to the increasing prevalence of atheist positions, with some of the strongest anti-atheist apologists even attempting to deny the very existence of the movement they sought to crush. The British Blasphemy Act of 1677 specifically mentioned atheism and prescribed the death sentence for it.

So, when anyone questions why Atheists were not a stronger influence on history, the answer is very sim[ple: because that benevolent, loving religion Christianity saw to it through threats of imprisonment, loss of property, and even death that no one would ever even admit that they were an atheist.

So, whenever someone waxes poetic about all of the glorious things that Christianity has done for society through history, just remember that it has done so while also being the most repressive, oppressive, violent, and intolerant influences in history.

You plagiarized your OP. You would think someone who claims to be a PhD would know better.

Arguments for Atheism - History of Atheism

You should formally apologize to WillHaftawaite, Mousterian, RWNJ, Sunni Man, Mousterian, Marion Morrison and God.

 

[Vastator]

First of all, that has absolutely nothing to do with my OP. Did you even read it, or did you just read the thread Title, and spout off a canned, prepared response? Second, You seem to be confused about the difference between theological atheism, and state mandated atheism. The examples you cite are perfect examples of what an enlightened atheist never wants to see happen. State atheism is just as bad as Theocracy.

What does it matter if the people believe it or the state sponsors it?

The end result is the same.

But the cause is not. The cause for those deaths is not Atheism, but Despotic Dictatorships. Over 2,000 people disappeared, and another 31,000 were tortured under the dictatorship of Pinochet, and he was a devout Roman Catholic. should we then suggest that Catholicism, or Christianity is responsible for all of those deaths, or do we properly hold responsible the despotic dictatorship under which those deaths occurred?

And under Atheist Despotic Dictatorships:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered

33k vs all that. ^

Clearly the numbers are just a wee bit higher. Need you wonder
further why Atheism doesn't "catch on"? People don't like that mass murdering stuff.

Who you kidding? The founders of, along with many followers of Christianity absolutely love that kind of thing! Thier Old Testament is littered with stories of genocide,after genocide,after genocide. Heroic tales of revered groups of Israelites marching from city, to,city, to city; wiping out every man woman and child.(Except the ones that were kept for sex slaves, of course). In fact the genocides committed by Christianity's heros were much more thorough than those committed in modern times. The difference?
Few but the most depraved look back at Hitler, Mao, or Stalin with reverence for what they did in regards to mass murder. Christians however hold great respect and reverence for the "heros" of the Old Testament such as Moses, David, Solomon... and the list goes on,and on. Not only are they revered by followers of the Christian faith. These followers even make excuses for their barbarity. Actually defend and justify the genocides committed by the patriarchs of the faith they've adopted.

So... yeah... there's a difference. But it isn't the death toll...

Oh, so now you believe The Bible, right? I take it you've done extensive Bible study, correct?

Margot, is that you?

No I don't necessarily "believe" the Bible. But yeah... actually I have studied. For quite a few years in fact. Hell. I'd been steeped and studied in the Christian faith do more tha 30 years. Hell I even married my preachers daughter.
But none of that makes the genocides, and those who committed them any better than those that have happened in the 20th century and on. Only no freaks have made a religion about the modern mass murderers. People don't gather once a week and sing songs about Hitler, and regaling the tales of Uncle Joe Stalin,or praying the solemn writings of Pol Pot.

 

[Czernobog]

It has often been pointed out all of the things that have occurred under the "guidance" of Christianity, through history, and the question has been asked, "Where has atheism been?" I thought that, perhaps it was time to put things into perspective.

During the Early Middle Ages and Middle Ages, the open espousal of atheistic views was rare in Europe, and atheism was a very uncommon, even dangerous, doctrine to hold. The charge of atheism was regularly used as way of attacking one's political or religious enemies, and the repercussions were severe. However, certain heterodox views were put forward by individual theologists such as Johannes Scotus Eriugena, David of Dinant, Amalric of Bena and William of Ockham, and by groups like the Brethren of the Free Spirit, and several writers mention that there were “not a few” (in the words of John Calvin) who denied the existence of God.

For most of the Middle Ages, religion was so universally dominant that it was not even believed possible that someone could deny the existence of God. Heterodox views were equally rare in the medieval Islamic world, although the 9th Century scholar Ibn al-Rawandi did go so far as to criticize the notion of religious prophecy (including even that of Mohammed), and maintained that religious dogmas were not acceptable to reason and must be rejected.

The European Renaissance of the 15th to 17th Centuries did much to expand the scope of freethought and skeptical inquiry, although criticisms of the religious establishment (such as those of Niccolò Machiavelli, Leonardo da Vinci, Bonaventure des Périers and François Rabelais) usually did not amount to actual atheism. As the scientific discoveries of Copernicus and Galileo became increasingly accepted, man's long-assumed privileged place in the universe appeared less and less justifiable. Progressive thinkers like Giordano Bruno, Lucilio Vanini and Galileo Galilei, bravely battling against the odds, were all savagely persecuted by the powerful Catholic Church of their time. Among those executed (often after torture) for the crime of atheism were Étienne Dolet in 1546, Giordano Bruno in 1600, Lucilio Vanini in 1619, Kazimierz Lyszczynskiin 1689 and Jean-François de la Barre as late as 1766.

With the religious infighting during the Protestant Reformation in the 16th Century, dissent of all kinds flourished, and some sects (such as the Anabaptists, Unitarians and Deists) developed much more humanist and less traditionally religious variants. Criticism of Christianity became increasingly frequent in the 17th and 18th Centuries, led by independent thinkers such as Thomas Hobbes, Baruch Spinoza and David Hume. The number of outspoken refutations to atheism during this period attests to the increasing prevalence of atheist positions, with some of the strongest anti-atheist apologists even attempting to deny the very existence of the movement they sought to crush. The British Blasphemy Act of 1677 specifically mentioned atheism and prescribed the death sentence for it.

So, when anyone questions why Atheists were not a stronger influence on history, the answer is very sim[ple: because that benevolent, loving religion Christianity saw to it through threats of imprisonment, loss of property, and even death that no one would ever even admit that they were an atheist.

So, whenever someone waxes poetic about all of the glorious things that Christianity has done for society through history, just remember that it has done so while also being the most repressive, oppressive, violent, and intolerant influences in history.

Because people know that historically, Atheism leads to a lot of senseless, amoral killing with no moral compass.

Off the top of my head: Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

First of all, that has absolutely nothing to do with my OP. Did you even read it, or did you just read the thread Title, and spout off a canned, prepared response? Second, You seem to be confused about the difference between theological atheism, and state mandated atheism. The examples you cite are perfect examples of what an enlightened atheist never wants to see happen. State atheism is just as bad as Theocracy.

What does it matter if the people believe it or the state sponsors it?

The end result is the same.

But the cause is not. The cause for those deaths is not Atheism, but Despotic Dictatorships. Over 2,000 people disappeared, and another 31,000 were tortured under the dictatorship of Pinochet, and he was a devout Roman Catholic. Should we then suggest that Catholicism, or Christianity is responsible for all of those deaths, or do we properly hold responsible the despotic dictatorship under which those deaths occurred?

You make the mistake of equating Catholicism with Christianity. One is a pagan faith. The other is based on the word of God.

Well, a great number of Christians of varying denominations would beg to differ. I am not going to debate which Christian denominations are "really" Christian.

 

[Marion Morrison]

What does it matter if the people believe it or the state sponsors it?

The end result is the same.

But the cause is not. The cause for those deaths is not Atheism, but Despotic Dictatorships. Over 2,000 people disappeared, and another 31,000 were tortured under the dictatorship of Pinochet, and he was a devout Roman Catholic. should we then suggest that Catholicism, or Christianity is responsible for all of those deaths, or do we properly hold responsible the despotic dictatorship under which those deaths occurred?

And under Atheist Despotic Dictatorships:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered

33k vs all that. ^

Clearly the numbers are just a wee bit higher. Need you wonder
further why Atheism doesn't "catch on"? People don't like that mass murdering stuff.

Who you kidding? The founders of, along with many followers of Christianity absolutely love that kind of thing! Thier Old Testament is littered with stories of genocide,after genocide,after genocide. Heroic tales of revered groups of Israelites marching from city, to,city, to city; wiping out every man woman and child.(Except the ones that were kept for sex slaves, of course). In fact the genocides committed by Christianity's heros were much more thorough than those committed in modern times. The difference?
Few but the most depraved look back at Hitler, Mao, or Stalin with reverence for what they did in regards to mass murder. Christians however hold great respect and reverence for the "heros" of the Old Testament such as Moses, David, Solomon... and the list goes on,and on. Not only are they revered by followers of the Christian faith. These followers even make excuses for their barbarity. Actually defend and justify the genocides committed by the patriarchs of the faith they've adopted.

So... yeah... there's a difference. But it isn't the death toll...

Oh, so now you believe The Bible, right? I take it you've done extensive Bible study, correct?

Margot, is that you?

No I don't necessarily "believe" the Bible. But yeah... actually I have studied. For quite a few years in fact. Hell. I'd been steeped and studied in the Christian faith do more tha 30 years. Hell I even married my preachers daughter.
But none of that makes the genocides, and those who committed them any better than this that have happened in the 20th century and on. Only no freaks have made a religion about the modern mass murderers. People don't gather once a week and sing songs about Hitler, and regaling the tales of Uncle Joe Stalin,or praying the solemn writings of Pol Pot.

You break out that calculator and references yet? No? Talk to the hand.

 

[ding]

Because people know that historically, Atheism leads to a lot of senseless, amoral killing with no moral compass.

Off the top of my head: Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.

First of all, that has absolutely nothing to do with my OP. Did you even read it, or did you just read the thread Title, and spout off a canned, prepared response? Second, You seem to be confused about the difference between theological atheism, and state mandated atheism. The examples you cite are perfect examples of what an enlightened atheist never wants to see happen. State atheism is just as bad as Theocracy.

What does it matter if the people believe it or the state sponsors it?

The end result is the same.

But the cause is not. The cause for those deaths is not Atheism, but Despotic Dictatorships. Over 2,000 people disappeared, and another 31,000 were tortured under the dictatorship of Pinochet, and he was a devout Roman Catholic. Should we then suggest that Catholicism, or Christianity is responsible for all of those deaths, or do we properly hold responsible the despotic dictatorship under which those deaths occurred?

You make the mistake of equating Catholicism with Christianity. One is a pagan faith. The other is based on the word of God.

Well, a great number of Christians of varying denominations would beg to differ. I am not going to debate which Christian denominations are "really" Christian.

Did you learn to plagiarize in grad school, doctor?

 

[Czernobog]

So, you believe Christianity is responsible for the deaths in Chile, under Pinochet?

I believe you're barking up the wrong ankle.

Nah... you've just debated yourself into a corner...

Or so you think. The belief of Atheism is superior to exactly nothing. Because that's what it is, nothing.

0 + 0=0

Now when people clearly remember that almost every Atheist dictator murdered tons of people, they tend to shy away from that. It's not rocket surgery, baby.

So have even more religious dictators. You have no point. History remembers far more religious leaders committing atrocities than Athiests. What's more is that the religious ones did it in the name of their religion. The athiests just did it to consolidate power. They didn't do it because a talking man in the sky told them to.

No, you have no point. How does an Atheist even define the difference between good and evil? They can't. Every human perception is different.

By the way, add up all the deaths attributed to God ( Include The Bible) Then tally up all the numbers I posted and see which sum is greater. It will be the Atheists. Game. Set. Match.

Oh what a crock of shit.

 

[Vastator]

So, you believe Christianity is responsible for the deaths in Chile, under Pinochet?

I believe you're barking up the wrong ankle.

Nah... you've just debated yourself into a corner...

Or so you think. The belief of Atheism is superior to exactly nothing. Because that's what it is, nothing.

0 + 0=0

Now when people clearly remember that almost every Atheist dictator murdered tons of people, they tend to shy away from that. It's not rocket surgery, baby.

So have even more religious dictators. You have no point. History remembers far more religious leaders committing atrocities than Athiests. What's more is that the religious ones did it in the name of their religion. The athiests just did it to consolidate power. They didn't do it because a talking man in the sky told them to.

No, you have no point. How does an Atheist even define the difference between good and evil? They can't. Every human perception is different.

By the way, add up all the deaths attributed to God ( Include The Bible) Then tally up all the numbers I posted and see which sum is greater. It will be the Atheists. Game. Set. Match.

An atheist doesn't need to. They can place blame for transgressions on individuals, on an instance by instance basis. It's called responsibility. No sky daddy, or boogeyman necessary.

 

[Vastator]

So, you believe Christianity is responsible for the deaths in Chile, under Pinochet?

I believe you're barking up the wrong ankle.

Nah... you've just debated yourself into a corner...

Or so you think. The belief of Atheism is superior to exactly nothing. Because that's what it is, nothing.

0 + 0=0

Now when people clearly remember that almost every Atheist dictator murdered tons of people, they tend to shy away from that. It's not rocket surgery, baby.

So have even more religious dictators. You have no point. History remembers far more religious leaders committing atrocities than Athiests. What's more is that the religious ones did it in the name of their religion. The athiests just did it to consolidate power. They didn't do it because a talking man in the sky told them to.

No, you have no point. How does an Atheist even define the difference between good and evil? They can't. Every human perception is different.

By the way, add up all the deaths attributed to God ( Include The Bible) Then tally up all the numbers I posted and see which sum is greater. It will be the Atheists. Game. Set. Match.

Well there's one part of your mistake... It's not a game. As long as you treat it like one you will always feel like you have an opponent to defend against. It's no game dear boy, just life.

 

[ding]

But the cause is not. The cause for those deaths is not Atheism, but Despotic Dictatorships. Over 2,000 people disappeared, and another 31,000 were tortured under the dictatorship of Pinochet, and he was a devout Roman Catholic. should we then suggest that Catholicism, or Christianity is responsible for all of those deaths, or do we properly hold responsible the despotic dictatorship under which those deaths occurred?

And under Atheist Despotic Dictatorships:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered

33k vs all that. ^

Clearly the numbers are just a wee bit higher. Need you wonder
further why Atheism doesn't "catch on"? People don't like that mass murdering stuff.

Who you kidding? The founders of, along with many followers of Christianity absolutely love that kind of thing! Thier Old Testament is littered with stories of genocide,after genocide,after genocide. Heroic tales of revered groups of Israelites marching from city, to,city, to city; wiping out every man woman and child.(Except the ones that were kept for sex slaves, of course). In fact the genocides committed by Christianity's heros were much more thorough than those committed in modern times. The difference?
Few but the most depraved look back at Hitler, Mao, or Stalin with reverence for what they did in regards to mass murder. Christians however hold great respect and reverence for the "heros" of the Old Testament such as Moses, David, Solomon... and the list goes on,and on. Not only are they revered by followers of the Christian faith. These followers even make excuses for their barbarity. Actually defend and justify the genocides committed by the patriarchs of the faith they've adopted.

So... yeah... there's a difference. But it isn't the death toll...

Oh, so now you believe The Bible, right? I take it you've done extensive Bible study, correct?

Margot, is that you?

No I don't necessarily "believe" the Bible. But yeah... actually I have studied. For quite a few years in fact. Hell. I'd been steeped and studied in the Christian faith do more tha 30 years. Hell I even married my preachers daughter.
But none of that makes the genocides, and those who committed them any better than this that have happened in the 20th century and on. Only no freaks have made a religion about the modern mass murderers. People don't gather once a week and sing songs about Hitler, and regaling the tales of Uncle Joe Stalin,or praying the solemn writings of Pol Pot.

You break out that calculator and references yet? No? Talk to the hand.

It seems to me that the premise of the plagiarized OP is flawed on several fronts.

1. It is an admission that militant atheists haven't done diddly squat.
2. It is an excuse for why militant atheists haven't done diddly squat.
3. If militant atheists kept their atheism a secret, what kept them from achieving the same results as Christians.

Here is why.

The atheist sloth ethic, or why Europeans don't believe in work

Atheism and sloth - Conservapedia

Christians on the other hand were told to do as the Original Worker did; create for 6 days and rest. They had to be told to take a day off because creating is so much fun. Militant atheists on the other hand see work as a drag; a choir; something they do for money; something they do to get to the weekend.

The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism - Wikipedia

 

[Vastator]

So, you believe Christianity is responsible for the deaths in Chile, under Pinochet?

I believe you're barking up the wrong ankle.

Nah... you've just debated yourself into a corner...

Or so you think. The belief of Atheism is superior to exactly nothing. Because that's what it is, nothing.

0 + 0=0

Now when people clearly remember that almost every Atheist dictator murdered tons of people, they tend to shy away from that. It's not rocket surgery, baby.

So have even more religious dictators. You have no point. History remembers far more religious leaders committing atrocities than Athiests. What's more is that the religious ones did it in the name of their religion. The athiests just did it to consolidate power. They didn't do it because a talking man in the sky told them to.

No, you have no point. How does an Atheist even define the difference between good and evil? They can't. Every human perception is different.

By the way, add up all the deaths attributed to God ( Include The Bible) Then tally up all the numbers I posted and see which sum is greater. It will be the Atheists. Game. Set. Match.

You do realize that in one of the tales in the Bible it says god killed everyone on earth but one family right? Good thing this isn't a game... or you would have just unwittingly forfeited.

 

[Vastator]

But the cause is not. The cause for those deaths is not Atheism, but Despotic Dictatorships. Over 2,000 people disappeared, and another 31,000 were tortured under the dictatorship of Pinochet, and he was a devout Roman Catholic. should we then suggest that Catholicism, or Christianity is responsible for all of those deaths, or do we properly hold responsible the despotic dictatorship under which those deaths occurred?

And under Atheist Despotic Dictatorships:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 people murdered

Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered

33k vs all that. ^

Clearly the numbers are just a wee bit higher. Need you wonder
further why Atheism doesn't "catch on"? People don't like that mass murdering stuff.

Who you kidding? The founders of, along with many followers of Christianity absolutely love that kind of thing! Thier Old Testament is littered with stories of genocide,after genocide,after genocide. Heroic tales of revered groups of Israelites marching from city, to,city, to city; wiping out every man woman and child.(Except the ones that were kept for sex slaves, of course). In fact the genocides committed by Christianity's heros were much more thorough than those committed in modern times. The difference?
Few but the most depraved look back at Hitler, Mao, or Stalin with reverence for what they did in regards to mass murder. Christians however hold great respect and reverence for the "heros" of the Old Testament such as Moses, David, Solomon... and the list goes on,and on. Not only are they revered by followers of the Christian faith. These followers even make excuses for their barbarity. Actually defend and justify the genocides committed by the patriarchs of the faith they've adopted.

So... yeah... there's a difference. But it isn't the death toll...

Oh, so now you believe The Bible, right? I take it you've done extensive Bible study, correct?

Margot, is that you?

No I don't necessarily "believe" the Bible. But yeah... actually I have studied. For quite a few years in fact. Hell. I'd been steeped and studied in the Christian faith do more tha 30 years. Hell I even married my preachers daughter.
But none of that makes the genocides, and those who committed them any better than this that have happened in the 20th century and on. Only no freaks have made a religion about the modern mass murderers. People don't gather once a week and sing songs about Hitler, and regaling the tales of Uncle Joe Stalin,or praying the solemn writings of Pol Pot.

You break out that calculator and references yet? No? Talk to the hand.

Do what you like with your hand. It's not a numbers issue. You merely focused on numbers because it gives you a false sense of security on the issue. No meme or smiley gesture will bolster your losing position, any more than a flaccid attempt at dismissal...

 

[Markle]

Who could be MORE influential than any of these men? Impossible.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I kind of enjoy watching Christians grovel, and bow to their imaginary "Lord". It is kind of like going to a renaissance fair.

 

[ding]

I kind of enjoy watching Christians grovel, and bow to their imaginary "Lord". It is kind of like going to a renaissance fair.

We've been laughed at before. It's not so bad. But it must bother you, otherwise, you wouldn't think it would bother us. We call this p-r-o-j-e-c-t-i-n-g.

 

[Czernobog]

Who could be MORE influential than any of these men? Impossible.

Yeah, let's be clear about, at least, one person on your list there: