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We're paying hospitals 4 billion a year to take care of illegals, once an illegal drops a kid, they are eligible for welfare and snap for the kid, other services also.
Right. The problems are the welfare state and birthright citizenship. We can address those issues without turning our country into a police state.
We still have a government shut down...and Trump is claiming it's because of a wall
But I guess the Trumpers don't want to talk about it any more since well...it's not actually a wall but a fence...and it's not actually going to run across the whole southern border...because ya know....like the sane ones of us have been saying...that would be a stupid waste of money that pretty much could never happen anyway
Terrible idea for several reasons. First, it would not serve as deterrent for those that entered the country to escape poverty and crime in their home country which is a major reason they are here. Federal prison would be better than the alternative. Second, half of those arrested for being in the country illegally voluntarily accept deportation. Adding a mandatory prison sentence would send all these cases to court and fill federal prisons with non-violent offenders as well as saddling the government with the care thousands of children, pregnant women, and those with serious health problems. Lastly, hundreds of thousands of illegals are illegal because they are waiting on immigration court rulings.True, all illegals should be kicked out of the country.
How do you propose to accomplish that?
Change the penalty for being here. Make being here illegally a first degree felony with a minimum sentence of five years in prison for the first offense. That’s how.
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I hate to break your bubble but immigrants today are no better or worst than those of the 19th and 20th century. Skilled workers, the educated, the middle class, don't leave their jobs, their homeland, their friends, and family to come to a strange new country. We certainly can attract a few "better class of immigrants" but most immigrants will always come from the lower socioeconomic class, the poor, the homeless, the wretched masses. It is from them that America was built.No, it doesn't make sense. We need more, a lot more immigrants. The 1.4 million figure is only 4 immigrants per 1000 of population.I agree with both your points.
A wall will force or persuade people to seek an easier crossing. I think it's becoming pretty clear that there isn't going to be 2000, or even a 1000 mile mall completed. At most it will end up being about 200 mile of slatted fence with 1800 miles of reinforced fencing, cattle fencing, electronic monitoring, and aerial surveillance. Even if the "wall" were extended to 2000 miles, it wouldn't stop half the illegal crossing because most illegal entries will be at ports of entry. Less than 1% of vehicles are searched and only a small fraction of a percent of containers, boxcars or private planes are searched. Almost all of these searches are for drugs, not people.
Yes, reducing visa overstays, will require changes in the laws but it will also require a tracking system, and cooperation from sanctuary cities and states. In order to get changes in immigration laws needed to significantly reduce the number of illegal immigrants in the country, democrat votes in congress are going to be needed, and that's not going happen without changes that republicans are not going to like such sharp increases the number of temporary work permits and increased country limits.
1.4 million immigrate to the US annually, we take an additional 50K refugees and you think it's ok to continue to flood the country with additional people from the third world. Does that really make sense to you?
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Demographers and economists have been warning that the aging baby-boomer population presents a serious challenge to the nation’s finances, as the ratio of seniors to working-age adults—the age-dependency ratio—rises. However the problem is not just retirements but a shrinking birth rate. Without more young adults we not only face a seriously finance problem but a serious economic problem. Within a decade we will have a shortage 24 million workers and that number will continue to grow till at least 2050.
While many clamor for a halt to immigration, more immigrants are exactly what we need. They are younger, have a higher birth rate, and more entrepreneurial than native born Americans. Immigrants are the life blood of the nation as they have been in the past. Although more immigration means more cultural changes, that is nothing new to America because we are a melting pot of cultures.
I've never called for a halt to immigration, I do however think it is necessary to raise the quality of immigrants. They need to have skills that we need, they have to demonstrate they can support themselves. We can't continue to bring in impoverished, uneducated people who drop a kid and go immediately on welfare and food stamps and they don't tend to assimilate. I saw a man interviewed on the local news that had been in the country 23 years, he had to speak though an interpreter, he was here illegally.
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I was born in a very ethnic neighborhood and lived there until the age of 7. I distinctly remember how people off the boat would strive to learn the language of their new country. It meant just about everything to them. Of course people back then came here to become an American, not use America for the money or welfare.
Our local Catholic school held free English classes for the Polish immigrants. My Grandfather used to take us to the bar for chips and pop while he had a couple of beers, and American patrons were teaching the immigrant patrons the language. Most of the American people in the neighborhood were bilingual.
Our neighbors were off the boat too. My sister befriended the girl around her age and taught her English. My mother too was bilingual and spoke broken Polish, but certainly enough to easily communicate with the girl. That girl grew up and eventually became a Doctor.
Foreigners today couldn't have it easier when it comes to learning our language. If the people I observed back in the 60's could do it with very limited resources, there is no excuse how foreigners can't do it today given our much advanced technology.
If you want wages to go up, then you need to restrict the supply of labor. Expanding the supply of labor can't fail to make wages go down or remain stagnant.If they can support themselves, all that means is that they will be taking a job from an American. We don't need any more immigrants, period, educated or not.No, it doesn't make sense. We need more, a lot more immigrants. The 1.4 million figure is only 4 immigrants per 1000 of population.
Demographers and economists have been warning that the aging baby-boomer population presents a serious challenge to the nation’s finances, as the ratio of seniors to working-age adults—the age-dependency ratio—rises. However the problem is not just retirements but a shrinking birth rate. Without more young adults we not only face a seriously finance problem but a serious economic problem. Within a decade we will have a shortage 24 million workers and that number will continue to grow till at least 2050.
While many clamor for a halt to immigration, more immigrants are exactly what we need. They are younger, have a higher birth rate, and more entrepreneurial than native born Americans. Immigrants are the life blood of the nation as they have been in the past. Although more immigration means more cultural changes, that is nothing new to America because we are a melting pot of cultures.
I've never called for a halt to immigration, I do however think it is necessary to raise the quality of immigrants. They need to have skills that we need, they have to demonstrate they can support themselves. We can't continue to bring in impoverished, uneducated people who drop a kid and go immediately on welfare and food stamps and they don't tend to assimilate. I saw a man interviewed on the local news that had been in the country 23 years, he had to speak though an interpreter, he was here illegally.
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We have 9 million jobs available now, and you seem to have skipped over them having skills we need.
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You want businesses to flourish and be able to expand, they need to be able to fill positions with qualified people to do that. Merit based immigration is a win win for the country. This thing we're doing now is a big negative.
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If you want wages to go up, then you need to restrict the supply of labor. Expanding the supply of labor can't fail to make wages go down or remain stagnant.If they can support themselves, all that means is that they will be taking a job from an American. We don't need any more immigrants, period, educated or not.I've never called for a halt to immigration, I do however think it is necessary to raise the quality of immigrants. They need to have skills that we need, they have to demonstrate they can support themselves. We can't continue to bring in impoverished, uneducated people who drop a kid and go immediately on welfare and food stamps and they don't tend to assimilate. I saw a man interviewed on the local news that had been in the country 23 years, he had to speak though an interpreter, he was here illegally.
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We have 9 million jobs available now, and you seem to have skipped over them having skills we need.
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You want businesses to flourish and be able to expand, they need to be able to fill positions with qualified people to do that. Merit based immigration is a win win for the country. This thing we're doing now is a big negative.
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No, business need to pay more than for slave, illegal labor. I thought the left was all about fair pay for a days work?
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i would agree with you but for our establishment clause.We don't have an immigration clause. We have an Express naturalization clause. We should have no illegals.how socialist of you. why not simply fine them and make honest tourists of them. we don't have an immigration problem we have lousy naturalization policy.We don't have an immigration clause, it is a naturalization clause. We should have no illegals in the US.
True, all illegals should be kicked out of the country.
They had every chance to be honest tourists, but they chose otherwise.
True, we don't have immigration problem, since immigration is about people who are permitted to be here. We have a problem with illegal aliens and criminals who do not belong here.
You might want to read Article 1, Section 9, Clause 1. That is the immigration clause.
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that is just You. why come over here to have a bad attitude. Your mountains still love you.So you hate white people. Got it.who cares what "Caucasians away from their mountains, say"?You're not an anchor baby, so not born here. And get your donkey out of the front yard.with my native work ethic?Good for you, now get back to the lawn.i know where the mountains of the Caucasians are.
lol. we are already here. you just hate brown people; i got it.I also have a country that your family wants to come to. I win again.so what; You have nothing but fallacy.I never took you seriously in any thread. I win.i no longer take the right wing seriously in abortion threads.I'm enjoying watching the beaners get gassed at the border. Are they having fun yet?you only have gossip and one way street-ism. not enough morals to go around on the right wing?
No, I dislike illegals. Regular immigrants are cool.lol. we are already here. you just hate brown people; i got it.I also have a country that your family wants to come to. I win again.so what; You have nothing but fallacy.I never took you seriously in any thread. I win.i no longer take the right wing seriously in abortion threads.I'm enjoying watching the beaners get gassed at the border. Are they having fun yet?
lol. all talk, right wingers. we already know you don't care the law, Constitutional or otherwise.We're paying hospitals 4 billion a year to take care of illegals, once an illegal drops a kid, they are eligible for welfare and snap for the kid, other services also.
Right. The problems are the welfare state and birthright citizenship. We can address those issues without turning our country into a police state.
Enforcing laws doesn't make us a police state. And the commies will never allow the welfare state to be diminished.
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Our general warfare on crime, drugs, and terror are Worthless if we still need a Wall."If they think a wall is "immoral," then they're admitting it's effective. An ineffective wall would merely be a place for illegals to stop and get a little shade before continuing their march into the United States." --Ann Coulter
Don’t quit your English lessons. Now go eat a tamale.that is just You. why come over here to have a bad attitude. Your mountains still love you.So you hate white people. Got it.who cares what "Caucasians away from their mountains, say"?You're not an anchor baby, so not born here. And get your donkey out of the front yard.with my native work ethic?Good for you, now get back to the lawn.
I have no idea what phone protectionism is. Controlling immigration is not protectionism. I fail to understand why anyone would support importing millions of people to compete for their jobs. Only a certifiable idiot would support that.The one thing we don't need is more H1-B visas. This country is flooded with high tech workers from India. wages in my field haven't increased for the last 15 years. Yeah, software companies keep talking about shortages, but that's because they like cheap labor.A better class of immigrants would be highly desirable. The problem of course is people with good job skills and education are the least likely to immigrate. However, I think there are things than can be done to encourage a better class of immigrants.No, it doesn't make sense. We need more, a lot more immigrants. The 1.4 million figure is only 4 immigrants per 1000 of population.
Demographers and economists have been warning that the aging baby-boomer population presents a serious challenge to the nation’s finances, as the ratio of seniors to working-age adults—the age-dependency ratio—rises. However the problem is not just retirements but a shrinking birth rate. Without more young adults we not only face a seriously finance problem but a serious economic problem. Within a decade we will have a shortage 24 million workers and that number will continue to grow till at least 2050.
While many clamor for a halt to immigration, more immigrants are exactly what we need. They are younger, have a higher birth rate, and more entrepreneurial than native born Americans. Immigrants are the life blood of the nation as they have been in the past. Although more immigration means more cultural changes, that is nothing new to America because we are a melting pot of cultures.
I've never called for a halt to immigration, I do however think it is necessary to raise the quality of immigrants. They need to have skills that we need, they have to demonstrate they can support themselves. We can't continue to bring in impoverished, uneducated people who drop a kid and go immediately on welfare and food stamps and they don't tend to assimilate. I saw a man interviewed on the local news that had been in the country 23 years, he had to speak though an interpreter, he was here illegally.
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Assimilation is a slow process. Typically taking several generation. First generation immigrants rarely assimilate. They learn what they need to learn to make a living in the US and to function in society. Second generation becomes the hyphen generation. Thrid generation approaches what Americans think of as assimilation.
- First we need to increase the number of visas for highly educated workers. There are not near enough to meet demand. Many students with post graduate degrees and experience in engineer and science are turned down every year because of their country of origin.
- Second, we need to tell the world that we want and need educated skilled workers. We don't care about your country of origin, your race, or your religion. We are looking for well educated, skilled workers that can be an asset to America.
- We need to restrict family immigration to the immediate family. Other immigration should be based on merit and limits should be raised.
Heh... cry me a river. Software pays quite well. We don't need the phony protectionism.
"If they think a wall is "immoral," then they're admitting it's effective. An ineffective wall would merely be a place for illegals to stop and get a little shade before continuing their march into the United States." --Ann Coulter
I have no idea what phone protectionism is. Controlling immigration is not protectionism. I fail to understand why anyone would support importing millions of people to compete for their jobs. Only a certifiable idiot would support that.The one thing we don't need is more H1-B visas. This country is flooded with high tech workers from India. wages in my field haven't increased for the last 15 years. Yeah, software companies keep talking about shortages, but that's because they like cheap labor.A better class of immigrants would be highly desirable. The problem of course is people with good job skills and education are the least likely to immigrate. However, I think there are things than can be done to encourage a better class of immigrants.I've never called for a halt to immigration, I do however think it is necessary to raise the quality of immigrants. They need to have skills that we need, they have to demonstrate they can support themselves. We can't continue to bring in impoverished, uneducated people who drop a kid and go immediately on welfare and food stamps and they don't tend to assimilate. I saw a man interviewed on the local news that had been in the country 23 years, he had to speak though an interpreter, he was here illegally.
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Assimilation is a slow process. Typically taking several generation. First generation immigrants rarely assimilate. They learn what they need to learn to make a living in the US and to function in society. Second generation becomes the hyphen generation. Thrid generation approaches what Americans think of as assimilation.
- First we need to increase the number of visas for highly educated workers. There are not near enough to meet demand. Many students with post graduate degrees and experience in engineer and science are turned down every year because of their country of origin.
- Second, we need to tell the world that we want and need educated skilled workers. We don't care about your country of origin, your race, or your religion. We are looking for well educated, skilled workers that can be an asset to America.
- We need to restrict family immigration to the immediate family. Other immigration should be based on merit and limits should be raised.
Heh... cry me a river. Software pays quite well. We don't need the phony protectionism.
What sort of idiot demands their government protect them from competition? Certainly not an advocate of free markets.
No, I dislike illegals. Regular immigrants are cool.
Foreigners are no more a part of the free market than unions are. We have a pretty successful supply and demand process providing somebody doesn't throw a monkey wrench into the system. Cheating the system is hardly free market.
