Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

[Billo_Really]

More logical than only 10% of the people want the wall even though 95% of the country lives nowhere near it.

"If nobody wanted the wall, the Republican turnout would have been pathetic."

That is a completely illogical and irrational thing to say. The minor bump in republican turnout was more a result of the Kavanaugh hearings than talk about your "Waa Wall".

 

[Billo_Really]

Oh, you mean like the Democrats are? It's not 50 billion, it's 5.8 billion; less than one-tenth of what we spend on food stamps every single year.

You shutdown the government over this bullshit wall. That's putting America last.

 

[sealybobo]

A- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above

The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes

You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours

There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.

-Geaux

Then we need a Canadian wall.

 

[Billo_Really]

It sure is a hell of a lot better plan than closing down the government for a fragment of our federal spending.

It's a plan about a made up issue.

 

[Billo_Really]

We wouldn't possibly want to, we want you assholes to be able to leave anytime you want.

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I ain't going anywhere and you ain't gettin' no fucking wall.

 

[presonorek]

Build a wall on the Canadian border first.

 

[Billo_Really]

You aren't really expecting me to pretend your reply isn't stupid, are you?

Then you know nothing about public contracts.

 

[sealybobo]

Poor Billy, hundreds of miles have already been put up! Hundreds more on the way.

Listen prick, you're not going to turn this country into East Berlin.

We wouldn't possibly want to, we want you assholes to be able to leave anytime you want.

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They’ll get around your wall.

Also, will it be considered treasonist if in ten years republicans forget about the wall and it starts looking like Swiss cheese?

A wall is and always will be a waste of money. Patrol the fucking border with or without a wall.

This is how we know you won’t defend the wall after you’ve built it. You won’t even patrol the border now. What makes us think you’ll patrol the wall?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

All the libs wanted a wall until Trump wanted a wall then no libs want a wall. Perfect example of TDS, it affects all libs.

That fact should be very revealing to you.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Yes I agree someone posting here is stupid and unaware of the fact.

Many illegals travel in so called waste land as do those who have been deported in the past with criminal records and those carrying narcotics.

Now as for a nothern wall.
At some time we will probally need one.
But as it we dont have a lot of Canadian citizens trying to sneek into America.
Perhaps some.
Next not a of ms13 or other ganbangers comming from canada .
Next while marajuana is comming across the northern boarders im not aware of any drug cartels producing meth in super labs smuggling it into our northern boarders or of cocaine or herion being produced in canada or Fentanyl labs.

So yes there is a differance between the 2 boarders that any moron can plainly see.
Of course those with a lower Iq than a moron would naturally fail to be able to see the differances sadly.

MS13 is largely a Salvadoran gang, the bulk of which entered the United States properly and would not be affected by the wall.

 

[Aponi]

Yes I agree someone posting here is stupid and unaware of the fact.

Many illegals travel in so called waste land as do those who have been deported in the past with criminal records and those carrying narcotics.

Now as for a nothern wall.
At some time we will probally need one.
But as it we dont have a lot of Canadian citizens trying to sneek into America.
Perhaps some.
Next not a of ms13 or other ganbangers comming from canada .
Next while marajuana is comming across the northern boarders im not aware of any drug cartels producing meth in super labs smuggling it into our northern boarders or of cocaine or herion being produced in canada or Fentanyl labs.

So yes there is a differance between the 2 boarders that any moron can plainly see.
Of course those with a lower Iq than a moron would naturally fail to be able to see the differances sadly.

MS13 is largely a Salvadoran gang, the bulk of which entered the United States properly and would not be affected by the wall.

Sounds like you support them

 

[Aponi]

I forgot to adress your comment that they are white people.

First so you know im not white.

Second when we start having the same problem with the northern boarder I would call for the same action.
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What problem do we have now that we didn't have in 1969 (50 years ago); strictly speaking of the border?

Stagnating wages, increased crime, drug dealing.

Wages have gone up but so has production; purchasing power is about the same as it was in the 60's
We have actually less violent crime
Drug dealing? Really?

Which means wages in real terms have not gone up. We have less total crime, but illegals commit a much larger proportion of it. The same goes for drug dealing.

Strange;

The statistics are from paychecks like most Americans receive. What you guys always say is that they are not paying taxes....so the wage stagnation that occurred is due to reports from paychecks...not the under-the-table payments illegals receive. So they are not part of the equation.

As for Crime, if Illegals were adding to the crime, we'd have more; not less.

As for drug dealing; you may have a point there... However, the demand Americans have for drugs ensures that there will always be a supply. Further, the current real crisis (Opioids) are purchased over the counter by prescription and sold between persons with scripts for the drugs; illegals, legals, martians; doesn't matter.

 

[Aponi]

Prescription drugs are indeed a issue but we canot deny or pretend that meth and cocaine herion and illegally produced Fentanyl are are killers . they all kill and are comming from south America .
They cost untold billions in damages to our nation yearly

 

[Porter Rockwell]

More cheap excuses. You people never seem to run out of them.

Unfortunately, Ray, they run out of them very fast, then like children, go full circle right back to the argument they started with, as if they never made it before or had it clearly proven wrong.

Well so far, we have.........

These people work illegally and pay taxes for programs they won't collect on.,

These people work harder than Americans.

These people commit less violent crimes than Americans.

These poor people somehow stimulate the economy.

A wall won't work even though nobody can produce evidence of that claim.

They will simply buy tall ladders or dig tunnels, and our border security, military nor engineers figured that out yet.

These people are taking jobs Americans don't want. Jobs that pay $2.00 an hour.

A wall will turn us into Nazi Germany or the USSR.

The only people wanting a wall are xenophobes and racists.

Protecting our borders interferes in capitalism.

Most illegals enter through legal VISA's, therefore nothing should be done about other ways they get in.

I'm sure I missed some you may have thought of. But the truth of the matter is they are looking for any excuse to have a borderless country.

Although I did not understand what point you were trying to make, I'll give you a few points so that we can clear this up just for you:

1) Those who want the border wall have been asked WHY they want it. When those who do not want the wall respond to one PRETEXT, the wall advocates simply change the goal posts. For example, IIRC when I entered this thread, the pretext for the wall was sovereignty (see post # 951.) Somebody probably addressed more pretexts, but I think I joined the conversation somewhere along post #951.

Since then the pretexts have ranged from undocumented immigrants stealing jobs to not paying taxes and from SUPPOSED costs of immigrants (welfare, medical costs, etc.) to the PRETEXT of safety. At the end of the day, people like Ray have not been able to articulate a reason as to WHY they support a wall idea. Respond to the PRETEXT of the day and they invent another

2) WHEN the PRETEXTS are examined and found to be baseless, Ray, and those who support his position, have a hissy fit, wanting us to look at all their supposed evidence that they think supports their position.

The problem for them is that while China does have a wall, China is also ONE people. 98.5 percent of the Chinese are Han Chinese. To date, the wall supporters have avoided the QUESTION of what the agenda is beyond the wall. Say you write them a check for umpteen BILLIONS of dollars to build the wall. Is the long term goal then to rid America of the third worlders and other foreigners, getting rid of not only the poverty stricken, but say people like Muslims (whose religion dictates that they will either convert or kill us)???

The second problem for the wall advocates is that they cannot understand why a wall may be effective for one country, but not the United States. For whatever reason, the build the wall advocates were never taught that America was founded as a constitutional Republic and THE ONLY NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH WHOSE GOVERNMENT IS GUARANTEEING GOD GIVEN, INHERENT, NATURAL, UNALIENABLE, ABSOLUTE RIGHTS.

You cannot take from one country something you like and then ignore the accompanying things that make their numbers look good. In other words, if you want to be like the Israelis, then you have to declare a state of war; you have to maintain an atmosphere of distrust, conflict, and chaos so that you can have a PRETEXT to suspend the Rights of the people in order to keep the foreigners out.

We're not engaged in a war and sensible people do NOT want the POLICE STATE which would be a necessity to enforce the nutty wall idea. The wall don't just magically keep people out. Whoever guards the wall must HATE the foreigners so that the guards will not be susceptible to turning a blind eye to those who breach the wall.

Americans will have to be programmed, Pavlovian style, to HATE the people from south of the border because, unlike the Israelis, we are not at war from the people south of our border. The Israelis are fighting an enemy who, according to the Bible, have their hand against every man and every man's hand against them. Those Ishmaelites, the people trying to breach Israel's defenses, are doing so in order to KILL a political enemy.

In the United States, the atmosphere is much different. The people coming here from south of the border are finding WILLING Americans to do business with. It's a mutually beneficial relationship. It's not like you have to stand guard at the border and kill or be killed

3) The aim of political globalists is to con the Americans into giving up their Rights. Even when it was pointed out to Ray how, when our Second Amendment Rights were protected, the legal principle protected Sanctuary Cities, he chose to ignore the FACT that the laws required to enforce the nutty wall idea will end up costing you the Rights our forefathers fought, bled and died in order to secure for us.

The pro-wall advocates will call Nancy Pelosi a liar all the way up to the point that she says no wall - no way. The build the wall advocates are generally working in industries where people are actors and negotiators (lawyers, politicians, and people involved in professional wrestling are good at it.) So, those build the wall people do not understand that the fix is in. They will get their silly wall, but the Democrats have already been guaranteed concessions on gun control.

But, like a WWE match, they have to make the "fight" appear real. One only needs to know where Donald Trump stands, historically, on gun control not to understand that the building of the wall is about to come at an expense of the Second Amendment And WHEN it fails to make a difference, more private deals will be struck until we have no more Rights under a Republican form of government, but only a Democracy that will be ruled by the "legal" foreigners we're allowing to take over in this country.

 

[candycorn]

Prescription drugs are indeed a issue but we canot deny or pretend that meth and cocaine herion and illegally produced Fentanyl are are killers . they all kill and are comming from south America .
They cost untold billions in damages to our nation yearly

So you think people walking across the border are supplying the drugs? Really?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Yes I agree someone posting here is stupid and unaware of the fact.

Many illegals travel in so called waste land as do those who have been deported in the past with criminal records and those carrying narcotics.

Now as for a nothern wall.
At some time we will probally need one.
But as it we dont have a lot of Canadian citizens trying to sneek into America.
Perhaps some.
Next not a of ms13 or other ganbangers comming from canada .
Next while marajuana is comming across the northern boarders im not aware of any drug cartels producing meth in super labs smuggling it into our northern boarders or of cocaine or herion being produced in canada or Fentanyl labs.

So yes there is a differance between the 2 boarders that any moron can plainly see.
Of course those with a lower Iq than a moron would naturally fail to be able to see the differances sadly.

MS13 is largely a Salvadoran gang, the bulk of which entered the United States properly and would not be affected by the wall.

Sounds like you support them

Sounds like I support who? The Salvadoran gang called MS13?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Hey bitch, I'm not going to discuss religion with you, you're just trying to deflect form the fact you couldn't care less about the people being victimized by illegals.

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You shouldn't discuss religion....you have no idea what your alleged faith is all about.

I've got you number, that's what counts. Last week a husband and wife were driving home when a drunk illegal lost control, crossed the median, went airborne and speared into the drivers compartment of the oncoming couple, the husband died instantly. The illegal lived, there you can go to bed with a simile on your face, you unfeeling, un-American bitch.

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And you wouldn't care about it if the other driver were not an illegal. More of your faux Christianity on display.

And you know what? I didn't have to say or do a thing; you highlight your hypocrisy very well all by yourself.

As long as you continue to dig your hole...I'll be happy to keep handing you shovels. Happy Kwanzza.

Wrong again bitch, anyone drinking, driving and kills someone should be prosecuted for murder, it's not an accident if you drink and drive.

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I agree...but the only reason you're bringing up the tragedy is because an illegal alien is involved.
And that is just another example of your faux Christianity; that and your hoping someone I know dies.

How sad you are.

You dumb bitch if that Illegal wasn't here they would be alive.


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[Porter Rockwell]

Prescription drugs are indeed a issue but we canot deny or pretend that meth and cocaine herion and illegally produced Fentanyl are are killers . they all kill and are comming from south America .
They cost untold billions in damages to our nation yearly

I have been accused of being a liberal. But, the real problem in America is drug based. Immigration is a diversionary tactic. See posts # 972 and # 1061 on this thread. Parents, the government, doctors, mental health officials, and Big Pharma are CREATING the drug class - and ultimately those people become hard core addicts (and usually with a criminal record.) They get locked out society by the same people advocating for a wall.

When foreigners fill the void, they become scapegoats for our nation's refusal to address what they are doing wrong - you know turning this nation into the one that uses more drugs than the rest of the world combined!

 

[bripat9643]

Americans don't want them at the wage that Mexicans are willing to accept. Americans used to do all those jobs, you fucking moron. My brother used to be a construction contractor until all the low wage Mexican contractors ran him out of business because they hired illegal aliens.

Then bid on prevailing wage projects and he won't have to worry about other contractors using undocumented workers.

You aren't really expecting me to pretend your reply isn't stupid, are you?

I pretend you're not stupid every day. I'm a pretty good actor.

Too bad you are no good at pretending that you're not stupid.

That was a double negative...dumb ass. LOL

Apparently you believe that makes you look smart.

Wrong, dumbass.

 

[danielpalos]

You shouldn't discuss religion....you have no idea what your alleged faith is all about.

I've got you number, that's what counts. Last week a husband and wife were driving home when a drunk illegal lost control, crossed the median, went airborne and speared into the drivers compartment of the oncoming couple, the husband died instantly. The illegal lived, there you can go to bed with a simile on your face, you unfeeling, un-American bitch.

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And you wouldn't care about it if the other driver were not an illegal. More of your faux Christianity on display.

And you know what? I didn't have to say or do a thing; you highlight your hypocrisy very well all by yourself.

As long as you continue to dig your hole...I'll be happy to keep handing you shovels. Happy Kwanzza.

Wrong again bitch, anyone drinking, driving and kills someone should be prosecuted for murder, it's not an accident if you drink and drive.

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I agree...but the only reason you're bringing up the tragedy is because an illegal alien is involved.
And that is just another example of your faux Christianity; that and your hoping someone I know dies.

How sad you are.

You dumb bitch if that Illegal wasn't here they would be alive.


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if we had more well regulated militia, we would have fewer gun deaths.

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.