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[I'm a Jewish Christian Islamic Hindu Buddhist Animist Moonie.
And none of that is inconsistent with anything.
I don't understand any of that, which infuriates and frightens me!I'm a Jewish Christian Islamic Hindu Buddhist Animist Moonie.
And none of that is inconsistent with anything.
Once again, we are NOT discussing traditions and mannerisms. Clearly someone can be religiously Muslim, eat matzah, and not have their religion affected. The discussion is about whether two religious beliefs can co-exist.But in fact, one CAN be an Atheist and still be an ethnic Jew. An Atheist cannot be an Atheist and also embrace any other religion involving a deity, however.
One CAN be an ethnic Jew and also be Christian AND also keep many of his/her former Jewish teachings and customs.
One CAN be an Arab Muslim who accepts Christ and also keeps many of his/her Islamic teachings and customs.
One CAN be a Tibetan Buddhist who accepts Christ and also keeps many of his Buddhist teachings and customs.
Both of these quotes are examples of you coercing one religion, most likely your own, onto another. I don't know whether you in ignorant to the differences between the religions or just purposely trying to draw these coerced parallels, but to my knowledge, Judaism does not believe their messiah is "god in the flesh", but a man.So, Mike, when the Messiah does finally come, as you must believe he will, will he be God in the flesh? If so, how does that differ from Jesus Christ?
You mean like God in the flesh, and God in the spirit?
Similarly, your second quote coerces the idea that different Judaic names given somehow designate "flesh" and "spirit". As someone else tried to point out several times: the names have NOTHING to do with flesh vs spirit. This is your religion being forced onto something else you clearly don't understand. So the question is: do you plan on continuing this conversation with these unintelligent remarks? Or will you smarten up and acknowledge the differences between the religions?
Well, I'm so glad that you've decided for the Jews what is and isn't important in their religion, and what does and doesn't constitute "practicing the Jewish religion", because I'm sure they wouldn't have been capable of working that out for themselves without your help. You should really sit down and compose a memo to all those misguided Jewish Christians out there, informing them that they're not really Jews any more.
Imagine all those silly people in the world, thinking that religion is a personal, individual choice, rather than a rigid, standardized policy settled by other people for them.
except that he's correct.
and yes, religion is personal, but you either believe or you don't. there are things that christians believe in that are inconsistent with jewish belief.
I'm a Jewish Christian Islamic Hindu Buddhist Animist Moonie.
And none of that is inconsistent with anything.
So when you say something illogical, irreponsible, hateful, factually incorrect, or otherwise just plain wrong about Christianity are you forcing your Jewish beliefs upon Christianity?
Why is it that a Jew is okay saying whatever he or she thinks about Christians and Christianity and expressing what he or she believes, but Christians are somehow wrong if they do the same thing? This thread was initially directed to Christian with a question about a perceived observation by the author of the OP. I took that as an invitation for Christians to answer the question.
When such a thing happens, point it out. Until then, don't make vague references to fallacies which as far as I can tell, were not made in this thread. If something is wrong, it does not by default mean someone is forcing one religion on another. In Newby's case however, it is clear he is coercing Christian ideology onto a misunderstanding of Judaism.So when you say something illogical, irreponsible, hateful, factually incorrect, or otherwise just plain wrong about Christianity are you forcing your Jewish beliefs upon Christianity?
What a douche bag
Very simple.
True jewish heroes when being tortured and executed -- "Hear O'Israel The Lord Is Our G-D The Lord Is One."
Jesus -- "Why have you forsaken me?"
Any questions?
I don't have a question. I'm not sure what your point is.
Jesus said, "Why have you forsaken Me" because He was referring to that passage in Psalms which continues with the exact description of Jesus on the cross.
He didn't want you to miss it.
It also points at Jonah and Jonah's prayer, showing how He was demonstrating that as well.
Kind of a lot in one little phrase, don't you think?
Psalm 22:
"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?
Why are You so far from helping Me,
And from the words of My groaning?
2 O My God, I cry in the daytime, but You do not hear;
And in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But You are holy,
Enthroned in the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in You;
They trusted, and You delivered them.
5 They cried to You, and were delivered;
They trusted in You, and were not ashamed.
6 But I am a worm, and no man;
A reproach of men, and despised by the people.
7 All those who see Me ridicule Me;
They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted in the LORD, let Him rescue Him;
Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!
9 But You are He who took Me out of the womb;
You made Me trust while on My mothers breasts.
10 I was cast upon You from birth.
From My mothers womb
You have been My God.
11 Be not far from Me,
For trouble is near;
For there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have surrounded Me;
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me.
13 They gape at Me with their mouths,
Like a raging and roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water,
And all My bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It has melted within Me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And My tongue clings to My jaws;
You have brought Me to the dust of death.
16 For dogs have surrounded Me;
The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me.
They pierced[c] My hands and My feet;
17 I can count all My bones.
They look and stare at Me.
18 They divide My garments among them,
And for My clothing they cast lots.
19 But You, O LORD, do not be far from Me;
O My Strength, hasten to help Me!
20 Deliver Me from the sword,
My precious life from the power of the dog.
21 Save Me from the lions mouth
And from the horns of the wild oxen!
You have answered Me.
22 I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him!
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And fear Him, all you offspring of Israel!
24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He hidden His face from Him;
But when He cried to Him, He heard.
25 My praise shall be of You in the great assembly;
I will pay My vows before those who fear Him.
26 The poor shall eat and be satisfied;
Those who seek Him will praise the LORD.
Let your heart live forever!
27 All the ends of the world
Shall remember and turn to the LORD,
And all the families of the nations
Shall worship before You.
28 For the kingdom is the LORDs,
And He rules over the nations.
29 All the prosperous of the earth
Shall eat and worship;
All those who go down to the dust
Shall bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep himself alive.
30 A posterity shall serve Him.
It will be recounted of the Lord to the next generation,
31 They will come and declare His righteousness to a people who will be born,
That He has done this."
You left out the first sentence.
Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 22
Chapter 22
1. For the conductor, on the ayeleth hashachar, a song of David.
This was King David talking and had nothing to do with Jesus. The subject was Israel.
Why is Yeshua not regarded as the messiah?
Simple.......the Pharisees and Sadducees sold Him out to the Romans who had Him crucified.
They crucified Him before he completed His mission.
I don't have a question. I'm not sure what your point is.
Jesus said, "Why have you forsaken Me" because He was referring to that passage in Psalms which continues with the exact description of Jesus on the cross.
He didn't want you to miss it.
It also points at Jonah and Jonah's prayer, showing how He was demonstrating that as well.
Kind of a lot in one little phrase, don't you think?
Psalm 22:
"My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?
Why are You so far from helping Me,
And from the words of My groaning?
2 O My God, I cry in the daytime, but You do not hear;
And in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But You are holy,
Enthroned in the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in You;
They trusted, and You delivered them.
5 They cried to You, and were delivered;
They trusted in You, and were not ashamed.
6 But I am a worm, and no man;
A reproach of men, and despised by the people.
7 All those who see Me ridicule Me;
They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted in the LORD, let Him rescue Him;
Let Him deliver Him, since He delights in Him!
9 But You are He who took Me out of the womb;
You made Me trust while on My mothers breasts.
10 I was cast upon You from birth.
From My mothers womb
You have been My God.
11 Be not far from Me,
For trouble is near;
For there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have surrounded Me;
Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled Me.
13 They gape at Me with their mouths,
Like a raging and roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water,
And all My bones are out of joint;
My heart is like wax;
It has melted within Me.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd,
And My tongue clings to My jaws;
You have brought Me to the dust of death.
16 For dogs have surrounded Me;
The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me.
They pierced[c] My hands and My feet;
17 I can count all My bones.
They look and stare at Me.
18 They divide My garments among them,
And for My clothing they cast lots.
19 But You, O LORD, do not be far from Me;
O My Strength, hasten to help Me!
20 Deliver Me from the sword,
My precious life from the power of the dog.
21 Save Me from the lions mouth
And from the horns of the wild oxen!
You have answered Me.
22 I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will praise You.
23 You who fear the LORD, praise Him!
All you descendants of Jacob, glorify Him,
And fear Him, all you offspring of Israel!
24 For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;
Nor has He hidden His face from Him;
But when He cried to Him, He heard.
25 My praise shall be of You in the great assembly;
I will pay My vows before those who fear Him.
26 The poor shall eat and be satisfied;
Those who seek Him will praise the LORD.
Let your heart live forever!
27 All the ends of the world
Shall remember and turn to the LORD,
And all the families of the nations
Shall worship before You.
28 For the kingdom is the LORDs,
And He rules over the nations.
29 All the prosperous of the earth
Shall eat and worship;
All those who go down to the dust
Shall bow before Him,
Even he who cannot keep himself alive.
30 A posterity shall serve Him.
It will be recounted of the Lord to the next generation,
31 They will come and declare His righteousness to a people who will be born,
That He has done this."
You left out the first sentence.
Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 22
Chapter 22
1. For the conductor, on the ayeleth hashachar, a song of David.
This was King David talking and had nothing to do with Jesus. The subject was Israel.
This was King David, true, prophesying about Christ.
Why is Yeshua not regarded as the messiah?
Simple.......the Pharisees and Sadducees sold Him out to the Romans who had Him crucified.
They crucified Him before he completed His mission.
37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
“ Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?”
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
40 “ He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”
41 These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
John 12
God so has a plan
Why is Yeshua not regarded as the messiah?
Simple.......the Pharisees and Sadducees sold Him out to the Romans who had Him crucified.
They crucified Him before he completed His mission.
37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:
Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:
40 He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.
41 These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.
John 12
God so has a plan
Isaiah 44
17. And what is left over from it he made for a god, for his graven image; he kneels to it and prostrates himself and prays to it, and he says, "Save me, for you are my god." יז.
18. Neither do they know nor do they understand, for their eyes are bedaubed from seeing, their hearts from understanding. יח.
19. And he does not give it thought, and he has neither knowledge nor understanding to say, "Half of it I burnt with fire, and I even baked bread on its coals, I roasted meat and ate. And what was left over from it, shall I make for an abomination, shall I bow to rotten wood?"
I see the relation to jesus in this one, Isaiah is warning the people not to follow a false god, and who says "save me, you are my god".
This is like jews who bow to jesus, who is a false god, and want him to save them.
Thank you Jen.
The time will soon come when Christ stands in the valley that was once the Mount of Olives and the Tribe of Judah will see the marks in His hands and Feet and realize that He is the Messiah.
Then Judah will be redeemed and recognize His brethren of the House of Israel.
It will be a good day. When we no longer quarrel
The time will soon come when Christ stands in the valley that was once the Mount of Olives and the Tribe of Judah will see the marks in His hands and Feet and realize that He is the Messiah.
Then Judah will be redeemed and recognize His brethren of the House of Israel.
It will be a good day. When we no longer quarrel
One of the messianic prophesies is that when the messiah comes all nations will worship one G-d, so maybe they will see the light.
