Why is jesus not a jew in churches?

[ABikerSailor]

The time will soon come when Christ stands in the valley that was once the Mount of Olives and the Tribe of Judah will see the marks in His hands and Feet and realize that He is the Messiah.

Then Judah will be redeemed and recognize His brethren of the House of Israel.

It will be a good day. When we no longer quarrel

You worship your god, I'll worship mine.

Really? That sounds peaceful **** Mike.

Which God is better? Why are they better? Are they related? Do they hold the same beliefs?

Why is your God better than mine?

 

[Avatar4321]

The time will soon come when Christ stands in the valley that was once the Mount of Olives and the Tribe of Judah will see the marks in His hands and Feet and realize that He is the Messiah.

Then Judah will be redeemed and recognize His brethren of the House of Israel.

It will be a good day. When we no longer quarrel

You worship your god, I'll worship mine.

We worship the same God. And you have nothing to worry about. He has already prophecied of the redemption of Judah throughout the scriptures.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

God has a plan

People have believed that for thousands of years. And you know what happened to them all? They died. So either this "plan" you're wishing to find out about doesn't apply to you, or it's more of a rule of "you die, then some other stuff happens".

Your actions are your own.

 

[Avatar4321]

The time will soon come when Christ stands in the valley that was once the Mount of Olives and the Tribe of Judah will see the marks in His hands and Feet and realize that He is the Messiah.

Then Judah will be redeemed and recognize His brethren of the House of Israel.

It will be a good day. When we no longer quarrel

well, it's good that you have your beliefs. Mind you, others have beliefs they think are equally if not more valid. (otherwise they would subscribe to *your* beliefs.

so you may be correct.

on the other hand, you may find that the prophesies haven't yet been fulfilled and see how the world changes when the messiah *does* come.

Oh I am sure there are alot of things for me to learn. Which is why I think the idea that God is silent is ridiculous. He has revealed Himself in every age in the world. Why would He change now?

Yet there are so many people who deny what the Prophets and Apostles teach when they live now rather than millinium ago. Revelation is a key. Yet so many religious people deny that God speaks to man. In fact, some will go to the point of ridiculing the idea.

That's why I have confidence in what I say. Because I've learned much if it from the Lord. And no one has to take my word for a single thing, they can learn it from God too. Anything I have wrong, I am confident He will correct when He is ready to.

Do you keep the Law of Moses? If not, why not? The disciples of Christ recieved revelation ending it among them after the Atonement and Resurrection was complete. But the Jews deny this, so why isn't the Law of Moses kept? Where are the priests? Why is revelation not sought? Anything lost can be restored by God.

Seek your brothers in the House of Israel. The Sons of Joseph have a mission to gather Israel together.

 

[Avatar4321]

God has a plan

People have believed that for thousands of years. And you know what happened to them all? They died. So either this "plan" you're wishing to find out about doesn't apply to you, or it's more of a rule of "you die, then some other stuff happens".

Your actions are your own.

The plan of God involves death and likewise rising from the dead.

There needs to be opposition in all things. Otherwise how can we know the good from the bad? The happiness from the sorrow?

We are supposed to experience the joys and sorrows of life and still choose life over death.

Sadly not everyone does

 

[SmarterThanHick]

The "opposition" of death is not being a zombie. It's life.

 

[CMike]

The time will soon come when Christ stands in the valley that was once the Mount of Olives and the Tribe of Judah will see the marks in His hands and Feet and realize that He is the Messiah.

Then Judah will be redeemed and recognize His brethren of the House of Israel.

It will be a good day. When we no longer quarrel

You worship your god, I'll worship mine.

We worship the same God. And you have nothing to worry about. He has already prophecied of the redemption of Judah throughout the scriptures.

If you are worshipping jesus, you are worshipping a foreign god, and according to judaism and the G-D I believe in a false one.

So you stick to your gods, I'll stick to mine.

 

[CMike]

The time will soon come when Christ stands in the valley that was once the Mount of Olives and the Tribe of Judah will see the marks in His hands and Feet and realize that He is the Messiah.

Then Judah will be redeemed and recognize His brethren of the House of Israel.

It will be a good day. When we no longer quarrel

well, it's good that you have your beliefs. Mind you, others have beliefs they think are equally if not more valid. (otherwise they would subscribe to *your* beliefs.

so you may be correct.

on the other hand, you may find that the prophesies haven't yet been fulfilled and see how the world changes when the messiah *does* come.

Oh I am sure there are alot of things for me to learn. Which is why I think the idea that God is silent is ridiculous. He has revealed Himself in every age in the world. Why would He change now?

Yet there are so many people who deny what the Prophets and Apostles teach when they live now rather than millinium ago. Revelation is a key. Yet so many religious people deny that God speaks to man. In fact, some will go to the point of ridiculing the idea.

That's why I have confidence in what I say. Because I've learned much if it from the Lord. And no one has to take my word for a single thing, they can learn it from God too. Anything I have wrong, I am confident He will correct when He is ready to.

Do you keep the Law of Moses? If not, why not? The disciples of Christ recieved revelation ending it among them after the Atonement and Resurrection was complete. But the Jews deny this, so why isn't the Law of Moses kept? Where are the priests? Why is revelation not sought? Anything lost can be restored by God.

Seek your brothers in the House of Israel. The Sons of Joseph have a mission to gather Israel together.

Actually I am a kohan, I am a priest.

If you are asking why are sacrifices not done, it's because the temple has to be rebuilt first. It can only be done at the temple.

Your god and his minions didn't have any authority to end anything given by G-D.

From Deutronomy.

2. Do not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it, to observe the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

But don't worry one of the messianic prophesies, which obviously hasn't been fulfilled yet, is that when the messiah comes, the temple will be rebuilt and stand forever.

What precisely do you mean by "revelation"?

 

[Foxfyre]

Interesting that this would be found in Deuteronomy which is listed as one of the "Books of Moses" who never entered Canaan/Israel according to Deuteronomy and there was no temple at that time? Do not things like that give some pause for thought about what it all means?

 

[CMike]

Interesting that this would be found in Deuteronomy which is listed as one of the "Books of Moses" who never entered Canaan/Israel according to Deuteronomy and there was no temple at that time? Do not things like that give some pause for thought about what it all means?

No. Why would it?

It says what it means.

2. Do not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it, to observe the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

 

[Foxfyre]

Interesting that this would be found in Deuteronomy which is listed as one of the "Books of Moses" who never entered Canaan/Israel according to Deuteronomy and there was no temple at that time? Do not things like that give some pause for thought about what it all means?

No. Why would it?

It says what it means.

2. Do not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it, to observe the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

So if nothing was to be added after Deuteronomy, where did you get the idea that when the Messiah comes the temple will be rebuilt and will stand forever? Who wrote that? And did that not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it? Is it possible that there is more than one meaning possible for many verses of Scripture? Both Jewish and Christian scholars agree that the opening verses of Genesis were written long after all of Deuteronomy was completed.

The closing words of the Gospel According to John in the New Testament says: "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." Yet in Revelation we read in the closing verses: "and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

Revelation was one of the latest works included in the New Testament, but even then there was no New Testament when it was written and the writer could not possibly have known how later Church fathers would collect and edit together all the manuscripts they could find and authenticate into what we call the New Testament. So obviously the warning did not refer to anything other than what was perceived to be truth in that particular manuscript.

Similarly the Jewish fathers collected all manuscripts they could authenticate and edited them into what we call the Old Testament which was canonized and closed long before Jesus was born.

I don't expect you to be open and receptive to my understandings here Cmike and that's okay. But again, this was a thread addressed to Christians about the central figure of Christianity and I think it is fair game to discuss the basic concepts and understandings from a Christian perspective.

 

[CMike]

Nice try. Prophets involves prophesies. There aren't any commandments in it.

All commandments come from the 5 books.

 

[Newby]

Interesting that this would be found in Deuteronomy which is listed as one of the "Books of Moses" who never entered Canaan/Israel according to Deuteronomy and there was no temple at that time? Do not things like that give some pause for thought about what it all means?

No. Why would it?

It says what it means.

2. Do not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it, to observe the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

So if nothing was to be added after Deuteronomy, where did you get the idea that when the Messiah comes the temple will be rebuilt and will stand forever? Who wrote that? And did that not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it? Is it possible that there is more than one meaning possible for many verses of Scripture? Both Jewish and Christian scholars agree that the opening verses of Genesis were written long after all of Deuteronomy was completed.

The closing words of the Gospel According to John in the New Testament says: "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." Yet in Revelation we read in the closing verses: "and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

Revelation was one of the latest works included in the New Testament, but even then there was no New Testament when it was written and the writer could not possibly have known how later Church fathers would collect and edit together all the manuscripts they could find and authenticate into what we call the New Testament. So obviously the warning did not refer to anything other than what was perceived to be truth in that particular manuscript.

Similarly the Jewish fathers collected all manuscripts they could authenticate and edited them into what we call the Old Testament which was canonized and closed long before Jesus was born.

I don't expect you to be open and receptive to my understandings here Cmike and that's okay. But again, this was a thread addressed to Christians about the central figure of Christianity and I think it is fair game to discuss the basic concepts and understandings from a Christian perspective.

I think Mike is insecure in his beliefs, why else would anyone have to so vehemently put down others beliefs in the way that he does, without any respect all? Fox, I wanted to say thank you for the great contributions that you've made here, and the way you've made them, with respect. Many could learn from your example.

 

[Foxfyre]

No. Why would it?

It says what it means.

2. Do not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it, to observe the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

So if nothing was to be added after Deuteronomy, where did you get the idea that when the Messiah comes the temple will be rebuilt and will stand forever? Who wrote that? And did that not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it? Is it possible that there is more than one meaning possible for many verses of Scripture? Both Jewish and Christian scholars agree that the opening verses of Genesis were written long after all of Deuteronomy was completed.

The closing words of the Gospel According to John in the New Testament says: "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." Yet in Revelation we read in the closing verses: "and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

Revelation was one of the latest works included in the New Testament, but even then there was no New Testament when it was written and the writer could not possibly have known how later Church fathers would collect and edit together all the manuscripts they could find and authenticate into what we call the New Testament. So obviously the warning did not refer to anything other than what was perceived to be truth in that particular manuscript.

Similarly the Jewish fathers collected all manuscripts they could authenticate and edited them into what we call the Old Testament which was canonized and closed long before Jesus was born.

I don't expect you to be open and receptive to my understandings here Cmike and that's okay. But again, this was a thread addressed to Christians about the central figure of Christianity and I think it is fair game to discuss the basic concepts and understandings from a Christian perspective.

I think Mike is insecure in his beliefs, why else would anyone have to so vehemently put down others beliefs in the way that he does, without any respect all? Fox, I wanted to say thank you for the great contributions that you've made here, and the way you've made them, with respect. Many could learn from your example.

Thanks Newby. I'm sure Cmike believes he is defending his faith or some such, but I honestly am not attacking him or his beliefs as he is attacking us and our beliefs. I wish he had opportunity to study with the rabbis I have studied with. They and I still differ in many of our understandings as I do accept Christ as my savior and they do not, but they have taught me much and it was done with respect and consideration for my feelings as a Christian. I would like to think I returned that respect.

 

[CMike]

No. Why would it?

It says what it means.

2. Do not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it, to observe the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

So if nothing was to be added after Deuteronomy, where did you get the idea that when the Messiah comes the temple will be rebuilt and will stand forever? Who wrote that? And did that not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it? Is it possible that there is more than one meaning possible for many verses of Scripture? Both Jewish and Christian scholars agree that the opening verses of Genesis were written long after all of Deuteronomy was completed.

The closing words of the Gospel According to John in the New Testament says: "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." Yet in Revelation we read in the closing verses: "and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

Revelation was one of the latest works included in the New Testament, but even then there was no New Testament when it was written and the writer could not possibly have known how later Church fathers would collect and edit together all the manuscripts they could find and authenticate into what we call the New Testament. So obviously the warning did not refer to anything other than what was perceived to be truth in that particular manuscript.

Similarly the Jewish fathers collected all manuscripts they could authenticate and edited them into what we call the Old Testament which was canonized and closed long before Jesus was born.

I don't expect you to be open and receptive to my understandings here Cmike and that's okay. But again, this was a thread addressed to Christians about the central figure of Christianity and I think it is fair game to discuss the basic concepts and understandings from a Christian perspective.

I think Mike is insecure in his beliefs, why else would anyone have to so vehemently put down others beliefs in the way that he does, without any respect all? Fox, I wanted to say thank you for the great contributions that you've made here, and the way you've made them, with respect. Many could learn from your example.

You are one arrogant fucker.

You come into my religion, totally pervert it in order to make it validate your beliefs, and act all hurt when jews get displeased that you are maligning and perverting their sacred texts.

Oh yeah, then you guys think you know judaism better than jews whom have been living it thousands of years before your god was even born.

It is you that is insecure.

You can't get past one passage that blows all those beliefs of yours into smithereens if you base it on the Torah.

"Hear O'Israel, the Lord is Our G-D, The Lord is One"

One One One ONE ONE

 

[CMike]

So if nothing was to be added after Deuteronomy, where did you get the idea that when the Messiah comes the temple will be rebuilt and will stand forever? Who wrote that? And did that not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it? Is it possible that there is more than one meaning possible for many verses of Scripture? Both Jewish and Christian scholars agree that the opening verses of Genesis were written long after all of Deuteronomy was completed.

The closing words of the Gospel According to John in the New Testament says: "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." Yet in Revelation we read in the closing verses: "and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

Revelation was one of the latest works included in the New Testament, but even then there was no New Testament when it was written and the writer could not possibly have known how later Church fathers would collect and edit together all the manuscripts they could find and authenticate into what we call the New Testament. So obviously the warning did not refer to anything other than what was perceived to be truth in that particular manuscript.

Similarly the Jewish fathers collected all manuscripts they could authenticate and edited them into what we call the Old Testament which was canonized and closed long before Jesus was born.

I don't expect you to be open and receptive to my understandings here Cmike and that's okay. But again, this was a thread addressed to Christians about the central figure of Christianity and I think it is fair game to discuss the basic concepts and understandings from a Christian perspective.

I think Mike is insecure in his beliefs, why else would anyone have to so vehemently put down others beliefs in the way that he does, without any respect all? Fox, I wanted to say thank you for the great contributions that you've made here, and the way you've made them, with respect. Many could learn from your example.

Thanks Newby. I'm sure Cmike believes he is defending his faith or some such, but I honestly am not attacking him or his beliefs as he is attacking us and our beliefs. I wish he had opportunity to study with the rabbis I have studied with. They and I still differ in many of our understandings as I do accept Christ as my savior and they do not, but they have taught me much and it was done with respect and consideration for my feelings as a Christian. I would like to think I returned that respect.

I don't care to study with those "rabbis" whom wish to pervert my religion and the G-D that I believe in.

I believe it's clearly covered in the passages below.

Deuteronomy 13

Deuteronomy - Chapter 13 (Parshah Re'eh) - Deuteronomy - Torah - Bible

1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it. א. אֵת כָּל הַדָּבָר אֲשֶׁר אָנֹכִי מְצַוֶּה אֶתְכֶם אֹתוֹ תִשְׁמְרוּ לַעֲשׂוֹת לֹא תֹסֵף עָלָיו וְלֹא תִגְרַע מִמֶּנּוּ:

2. If there will arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of a dream, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, ב. כִּי יָקוּם בְּקִרְבְּךָ נָבִיא אוֹ חֹלֵם חֲלוֹם וְנָתַן אֵלֶיךָ אוֹת אוֹ מוֹפֵת:

3. and the sign or the wonder of which he spoke to you happens, [and he] says, "Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us worship them," ג. וּבָא הָאוֹת וְהַמּוֹפֵת אֲשֶׁר דִּבֶּר אֵלֶיךָ לֵאמֹר נֵלְכָה אַחֲרֵי אֱ־לֹהִים אֲחֵרִים אֲשֶׁר לֹא יְדַעְתָּם וְנָעָבְדֵם:

4. you shall not heed the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of a dream; for the Lord, your God, is testing you, to know whether you really love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul. ד. לֹא תִשְׁמַע אֶל דִּבְרֵי הַנָּבִיא הַהוּא אוֹ אֶל חוֹלֵם הַחֲלוֹם הַהוּא כִּי מְנַסֶּה יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם אֶתְכֶם לָדַעַת הֲיִשְׁכֶם אֹהֲבִים אֶת יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם בְּכָל לְבַבְכֶם וּבְכָל נַפְשְׁכֶם:


5. You shall follow the Lord, your God, fear Him, keep His commandments, heed His voice, worship Him, and cleave to Him. ה. אַחֲרֵי יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם תֵּלֵכוּ וְאֹתוֹ תִירָאוּ וְאֶת מִצְוֹתָיו תִּשְׁמֹרוּ וּבְקֹלוֹ תִשְׁמָעוּ וְאֹתוֹ תַעֲבֹדוּ וּבוֹ תִדְבָּקוּן:


6. And that prophet, or that dreamer of a dream shall be put to death; because he spoke falsehood about the Lord, your God Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and Who redeemed you from the house of bondage, to lead you astray from the way in which the Lord, your God, commanded you to go; so shall you clear away the evil from your midst. ו. וְהַנָּבִיא הַהוּא אוֹ חֹלֵם הַחֲלוֹם הַהוּא יוּמָת כִּי דִבֶּר סָרָה עַל יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם הַמּוֹצִיא אֶתְכֶם מֵאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם וְהַפֹּדְךָ מִבֵּית עֲבָדִים לְהַדִּיחֲךָ מִן הַדֶּרֶךְ אֲשֶׁר צִוְּךָ יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֶיךָ לָלֶכֶת בָּהּ וּבִעַרְתָּ הָרָע מִקִּרְבֶּךָ:

7. If your brother, the son of your mother, tempts you in secret or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your embrace, or your friend, who is as your own soul saying, "Let us go and worship other gods, which neither you, nor your forefathers have known." ז. כִּי יְסִיתְךָ אָחִיךָ בֶן אִמֶּךָ אוֹ בִנְךָ אוֹ בִתְּךָ אוֹ אֵשֶׁת חֵיקֶךָ אוֹ רֵעֲךָ אֲשֶׁר כְּנַפְשְׁךָ בַּסֵּתֶר לֵאמֹר נֵלְכָה וְנַעַבְדָה אֱ־לֹהִים אֲחֵרִים אֲשֶׁר לֹא יָדַעְתָּ אַתָּה וַאֲבֹתֶיךָ:

8. Of the gods of the peoples around you, [whether] near to you or far from you, from one end of the earth to the other end of the earth; ח. מֵאֱלֹהֵי הָעַמִּים אֲשֶׁר סְבִיבֹתֵיכֶם הַקְּרֹבִים אֵלֶיךָ אוֹ הָרְחֹקִים מִמֶּךָּ מִקְצֵה הָאָרֶץ וְעַד קְצֵה הָאָרֶץ:

9. You shall not desire him, and you shall not hearken to him; neither shall you pity him, have mercy upon him, nor shield him. ט. לֹא תֹאבֶה לוֹ וְלֹא תִשְׁמַע אֵלָיו וְלֹא תָחוֹס עֵינְךָ עָלָיו וְלֹא תַחְמֹל וְלֹא תְכַסֶּה עָלָיו:

10. But you shall surely kill him, your hand shall be the first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. י. כִּי הָרֹג תַּהַרְגֶנּוּ יָדְךָ תִּהְיֶה בּוֹ בָרִאשׁוֹנָה לַהֲמִיתוֹ וְיַד כָּל הָעָם בָּאַחֲרֹנָה:

11. And you shall stone him with stones so that he dies, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. יא. וּסְקַלְתּוֹ בָאֲבָנִים וָמֵת כִּי בִקֵּשׁ לְהַדִּיחֲךָ מֵעַל יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֶיךָ הַמּוֹצִיאֲךָ מֵאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם מִבֵּית עֲבָדִים:

12. And all Israel shall listen and fear, and they shall no longer do any evil such as this in your midst. יב. וְכָל יִשְׂרָאֵל יִשְׁמְעוּ וְיִרָאוּן וְלֹא יוֹסִפוּ לַעֲשׂוֹת כַּדָּבָר הָרָע הַזֶּה בְּקִרְבֶּךָ:

13. If you hear in one of your cities which the Lord, your God, is giving you to dwell therein, saying, יג. כִּי תִשְׁמַע בְּאַחַת עָרֶיךָ אֲשֶׁר יְ־הֹוָ־ה אֱלֹהֶיךָ נֹתֵן לְךָ לָשֶׁבֶת שָׁם לֵאמֹר:

14. "Unfaithful men have gone forth from among you and have led the inhabitants of their city astray, saying, 'Let us go and worship other gods, which you have not known.' " יד. יָצְאוּ אֲנָשִׁים בְּנֵי בְלִיַּעַל מִקִּרְבֶּךָ וַיַּדִּיחוּ אֶת יֹשְׁבֵי עִירָם לֵאמֹר נֵלְכָה וְנַעַבְדָה אֱ־לֹהִים אֲחֵרִים אֲשֶׁר לֹא יְדַעְתֶּם:

15. Then you shall inquire, investigate, and ask thoroughly, and, behold, it is true, the matter is certain, that such abomination has been committed in your midst: טו. וְדָרַשְׁתָּ וְחָקַרְתָּ וְשָׁאַלְתָּ הֵיטֵב וְהִנֵּה אֱמֶת נָכוֹן הַדָּבָר נֶעֶשְׂתָה הַתּוֹעֵבָה הַזֹּאת בְּקִרְבֶּךָ:

16. You shall surely strike down the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroy it with all that is in it and its livestock, with the edge of the sword.

 

[Newby]

So if nothing was to be added after Deuteronomy, where did you get the idea that when the Messiah comes the temple will be rebuilt and will stand forever? Who wrote that? And did that not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it? Is it possible that there is more than one meaning possible for many verses of Scripture? Both Jewish and Christian scholars agree that the opening verses of Genesis were written long after all of Deuteronomy was completed.

The closing words of the Gospel According to John in the New Testament says: "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." Yet in Revelation we read in the closing verses: "and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

Revelation was one of the latest works included in the New Testament, but even then there was no New Testament when it was written and the writer could not possibly have known how later Church fathers would collect and edit together all the manuscripts they could find and authenticate into what we call the New Testament. So obviously the warning did not refer to anything other than what was perceived to be truth in that particular manuscript.

Similarly the Jewish fathers collected all manuscripts they could authenticate and edited them into what we call the Old Testament which was canonized and closed long before Jesus was born.

I don't expect you to be open and receptive to my understandings here Cmike and that's okay. But again, this was a thread addressed to Christians about the central figure of Christianity and I think it is fair game to discuss the basic concepts and understandings from a Christian perspective.

I think Mike is insecure in his beliefs, why else would anyone have to so vehemently put down others beliefs in the way that he does, without any respect all? Fox, I wanted to say thank you for the great contributions that you've made here, and the way you've made them, with respect. Many could learn from your example.

You are one arrogant fucker.

You come into my religion, totally pervert it in order to make it validate your beliefs, and act all hurt when jews get displeased that you are maligning and perverting their sacred texts.

Oh yeah, then you guys think you know judaism better than jews whom have been living it thousands of years before your god was even born.

It is you that is insecure.

You can't get past one passage that blows all those beliefs of yours into smithereens if you base it on the Torah.

"Hear O'Israel, the Lord is Our G-D, The Lord is One"

One One One ONE ONE

Bravo! Take a look in the mirror, Mike, you have just described yourself. I said nothing about your religion, let alone pervert it. You, on the other hand, have called 'my God' a false God and have made all kinds of condescending and crude remarks about Christ when he was dying on the cross. Yet you have the nerve to call me arrogant and perverting YOUR religion? You obviously don't even have the capacity to frame the argument or have any intelligent remarks to add as proven by your remarks to Fox's posts in this thread. And yet you try to assert that you're some kind of a religious scholar or even remotely educated in scripture. What a joke, and unfortunately the joke is on you. You very obviously don't have the capacity to understand the concepts of Christianity, so your only recourse is to try to insult it, as I told you once before, you're a very sad little man.

 

[CMike]

Interesting that this would be found in Deuteronomy which is listed as one of the "Books of Moses" who never entered Canaan/Israel according to Deuteronomy and there was no temple at that time? Do not things like that give some pause for thought about what it all means?

No. Why would it?

It says what it means.

2. Do not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it, to observe the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

So if nothing was to be added after Deuteronomy, where did you get the idea that when the Messiah comes the temple will be rebuilt and will stand forever? Who wrote that?

I'll give you a hint the passage is in Ezekiel 37. Guess which prophet said it?

And did that not add to the word which I command you, nor diminish from it?

No, because it's a prophesy not a commandment.

Is it possible that there is more than one meaning possible for many verses of Scripture?

No. It says pretty clearly what the prophesies are. It states it.

The closing words of the Gospel According to John in the New Testament says: "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." Yet in Revelation we read in the closing verses: "and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

Revelation was one of the latest works included in the New Testament, but even then there was no New Testament when it was written and the writer could not possibly have known how later Church fathers would collect and edit together all the manuscripts they could find and authenticate into what we call the New Testament. So obviously the warning did not refer to anything other than what was perceived to be truth in that particular manuscript.

It's talking about the five books of moses. It says not to add or subtract from it.

Similarly the Jewish fathers collected all manuscripts they could authenticate and edited them into what we call the Old Testament which was canonized and closed long before Jesus was born.

Nope. We are talking about the five books of moses.

 

[CMike]

I think Mike is insecure in his beliefs, why else would anyone have to so vehemently put down others beliefs in the way that he does, without any respect all? Fox, I wanted to say thank you for the great contributions that you've made here, and the way you've made them, with respect. Many could learn from your example.

You are one arrogant fucker.

You come into my religion, totally pervert it in order to make it validate your beliefs, and act all hurt when jews get displeased that you are maligning and perverting their sacred texts.

Oh yeah, then you guys think you know judaism better than jews whom have been living it thousands of years before your god was even born.

It is you that is insecure.

You can't get past one passage that blows all those beliefs of yours into smithereens if you base it on the Torah.

"Hear O'Israel, the Lord is Our G-D, The Lord is One"

One One One ONE ONE

Bravo! Take a look in the mirror, Mike, you have just described yourself. I said nothing about your religion, let alone pervert it. You, on the other hand, have called 'my God' a false God and have made all kinds of condescending and crude remarks about Christ when he was dying on the cross. Yet you have the nerve to call me arrogant and perverting YOUR religion? You obviously don't even have the capacity to frame the argument or have any intelligent remarks to add as proven by your remarks to Fox's posts in this thread. And yet you try to assert that you're some kind of a religious scholar or even remotely educated in scripture. What a joke, and unfortunately the joke is on you. You very obviously don't have the capacity to understand the concepts of Christianity, so your only recourse is to try to insult it, as I told you once before, you're a very sad little man.

1)

2) You are a moron

3) You are a moron

4) Your side seems hell bent on somehow proving that the Torah supports your god. It doesn't.

According to the Torah, jesus was a false god, that is a fact. I am stating why your religion and my religion are mutually exclusive. That is the reason.

Jews believe in one G-D. If you are worshipping any other person/being other than that one G-D, in any way, according to judaism, you are worshipping a false god.

Notice I said "according to judaism". That is what I am speaking about.

I don't care if it's consistent with your own scriptures. With jewish scriptures it isn't.

5) You are a moron.

 

[Newby]

You are one arrogant fucker.

You come into my religion, totally pervert it in order to make it validate your beliefs, and act all hurt when jews get displeased that you are maligning and perverting their sacred texts.

Oh yeah, then you guys think you know judaism better than jews whom have been living it thousands of years before your god was even born.

It is you that is insecure.

You can't get past one passage that blows all those beliefs of yours into smithereens if you base it on the Torah.

"Hear O'Israel, the Lord is Our G-D, The Lord is One"

One One One ONE ONE

Bravo! Take a look in the mirror, Mike, you have just described yourself. I said nothing about your religion, let alone pervert it. You, on the other hand, have called 'my God' a false God and have made all kinds of condescending and crude remarks about Christ when he was dying on the cross. Yet you have the nerve to call me arrogant and perverting YOUR religion? You obviously don't even have the capacity to frame the argument or have any intelligent remarks to add as proven by your remarks to Fox's posts in this thread. And yet you try to assert that you're some kind of a religious scholar or even remotely educated in scripture. What a joke, and unfortunately the joke is on you. You very obviously don't have the capacity to understand the concepts of Christianity, so your only recourse is to try to insult it, as I told you once before, you're a very sad little man.

1)

2) You are a moron

3) You are a moron

4) Your side seems hell bent on somehow proving that the Torah supports your god. It doesn't.

According to the Torah, jesus was a false god, that is a fact. I am stating why your religion and my religion are mutually exclusive. That is the reason.

Jews believe in one G-D. If you are worshipping any other person/being other than that one G-D, in any way, according to judaism, you are worshipping a false god.

Notice I said "according to judaism". That is what I am speaking about.

I don't care if it's consistent with your own scriptures. With jewish scriptures it isn't.

5) You are a moron.

Do you feel like a real man calling someone names, Mike?

I believe in one God as well, as I said, there is just no capacity for understanding in your little mind.