Why is there only one begotten son of God? Is he you?

God the Father is the father of all our spirits:

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the
offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Jesus was the firstborn of all of God's spirit children:

Romans 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

But in the flesh Jesus is the only begotten of the Father.

John 1:14

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus was made in the flesh to be part God and part mortal. Also he was perfect and without sin. This gave him greater power in the flesh than fallen man which allowed him to suffer to the extent that he suffered. No mortal man would have been able to suffer to the extent that he suffered. Also his life could not be taken from him unless he chose to lay it down. Because he was part mortal, he could choose to lay down his life. Because he was part God, he was able to take it up again.

John 10:17-18

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

These attributes were essential for the Christ. There only needed to be one to bring about the atonement necessary to allow the repentant souls to be saved. Only Jesus was worthy to be chosen as the one who could save us if we but repent. The rest of us come to this earth and fall into sin. Jesus was a most excellent spirit before coming to this earth.

Wow.

You do not mind showing your immoral thinking.



You just want to get your get out of hell free card so much, you do not seem to mind kissing Satan's rump.

Do you not even know that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Tell us please, who is more likely to think it good justice to punish the innocent instead of the guilty? God or Satan?

Answer honestly, if you can.

Regards
DL


Are you a member of Mr. Spong's congregation? Like I said in your other thread, Mr. Spong has given up on Christianity to become a light unto himself. He practices priestcraft. Inflicting justice on the sinner is to consign them to hell. Fortunately through another act of justice, the Father and Son brought about the law of mercy. Because of the recompense for the unjust suffering and death of he who did no sin, Jesus won the right to grant mercy to the penitent at heart. Without repentance, mankind will be subject to the law of justice which will consign the wicked to another kingdom other than the kingdom of heaven. God is not simply a God of justice but also a God of love and mercy. The suffering and death that the sinless Christ bore was unjust! He never deserved to suffer or die. But because both of these injustices were brought upon him, he was deserving of a recompense from the Father to make things just and right to Him. The just act of a recompense allowed Jesus to establish the law of mercy. Without it we would all be damned (your desire for simple justice). But God is a God of love and mercy and he is willing to give us second, third, fourth ... chances to repent of our wickedness and have joy and happiness in the world to come. The atonement involves a just recompense which established the law of mercy without breaking the law of justice.

The just act of the recompense from the Father to Jesus for the injustice he suffered overpowers the demands of simple justice of the law on the sinner under the conditions of repentance. This is known as the Law of Mercy.

Alma 42
1 And now, my son, I perceive there is somewhat more which doth worry your mind, which ye cannot understand—which is concerning the justice of God in the punishment of the sinner; for ye do try to suppose that it is injustice that the sinner should be consigned to a state of misery.
2 Now behold, my son, I will explain this thing unto thee. For behold, after the Lord God sent our first parents forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground, from whence they were taken—yea, he drew out the man, and he placed at the east end of the garden of Eden, cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the tree of life—
3 Now, we see that the man had become as God, knowing good and evil; and lest he should put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat and live forever, the Lord God placed cherubim and the flaming sword, that he should not partake of the fruit—
4 And thus we see, that there was a time granted unto man to repent, yea, a probationary time, a time to repent and serve God.
5 For behold, if Adam had put forth his hand immediately, and partaken of the tree of life, he would have lived forever, according to the word of God, having no space for repentance; yea, and also the word of God would have been void, and the great plan of salvation would have been frustrated.
6 But behold, it was appointed unto man to die—therefore, as they were cut off from the tree of life they should be cut off from the face of the earth—and man became lost forever, yea, they became fallen man.
7 And now, ye see by this that our first parents were cut off both temporally and spiritually from the presence of the Lord; and thus we see they became subjects to follow after their own will.
8 Now behold, it was not expedient that man should be reclaimed from this temporal death, for that would destroy the great plan of happiness.
9 Therefore, as the soul could never die, and the fall had brought upon all mankind a spiritual death as well as a temporal, that is, they were cut off from the presence of the Lord, it was expedient that mankind should be reclaimed from this spiritual death.
10 Therefore, as they had become carnal, sensual, and devilish, by nature, this probationary state became a state for them to prepare; it became a preparatory state.
11 And now remember, my son, if it were not for the plan of redemption, (laying it aside) as soon as they were dead their souls were miserable, being cut off from the presence of the Lord.
12 And now, there was no means to reclaim men from this fallen state, which man had brought upon himself because of his own disobedience;
13 Therefore, according to justice, the plan of redemption could not be brought about, only on conditions of repentance of men in this probationary state, yea, this preparatory state; for except it were for these conditions, mercy could not take effect except it should destroy the work of justice. Now the work of justice could not be destroyed; if so, God would cease to be God.
14 And thus we see that all mankind were fallen, and they were in the grasp of justice; yea, the justice of God, which consigned them forever to be cut off from his presence.
15 And now, the plan of mercy could not be brought about except an atonement should be made; therefore God himself atoneth for the sins of the world, to bring about the plan of mercy, to appease the demands of justice, that God might be a perfect, just God, and a merciful God also.
16 Now, repentance could not come unto men except there were a punishment, which also was eternal as the life of the soul should be, affixed opposite to the plan of happiness, which was as eternal also as the life of the soul.
17 Now, how could a man repent except he should sin? How could he sin if there was no law? How could there be a law save there was a punishment?
18 Now, there was a punishment affixed, and a just law given, which brought remorse of conscience unto man.
19 Now, if there was no law given—if a man murdered he should die—would he be afraid he would die if he should murder?
20 And also, if there was no law given against sin men would not be afraid to sin.
21 And if there was no law given, if men sinned what could justice do, or mercy either, for they would have no claim upon the creature?
22 But there is a law given, and a punishment affixed, and a repentance granted; which repentance, mercy claimeth; otherwise, justice claimeth the creature and executeth the law, and the law inflicteth the punishment; if not so, the works of justice would be destroyed, and God would cease to be God.
23 But God ceaseth not to be God, and mercy claimeth the penitent, and mercy cometh because of the atonement; and the atonement bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead; and the resurrection of the dead bringeth back men into the presence of God; and thus they are restored into his presence, to be judged according to their works, according to the law and justice.
24 For behold, justice exerciseth all his demands, and also mercy claimeth all which is her own; and thus, none but the truly penitent are saved.
25 What, do ye suppose that mercy can rob justice? I say unto you, Nay; not one whit. If so, God would cease to be God.
26 And thus God bringeth about his great and eternal purposes, which were prepared from the foundation of the world. And thus cometh about the salvation and the redemption of men, and also their destruction and misery.
27 Therefore, O my son, whosoever will come may come and partake of the waters of life freely; and whosoever will not come the same is not compelled to come; but in the last day it shall be restored unto him according to his deeds.
28 If he has desired to do evil, and has not repented in his days, behold, evil shall be done unto him, according to the restoration of God.
29 And now, my son, I desire that ye should let these things trouble you no more, and only let your sins trouble you, with that trouble which shall bring you down unto repentance.
30 O my son, I desire that ye should deny the justice of God no more. Do not endeavor to excuse yourself in the least point because of your sins, by denying the justice of God; but do you let the justice of God, and his mercy, and his long-suffering have full sway in your heart; and let it bring you down to the dust in humility.
31 And now, O my son, ye are called of God to preach the word unto this people. And now, my son, go thy way, declare the word with truth and soberness, that thou mayest bring souls unto repentance, that the great plan of mercy may have claim upon them. And may God grant unto you even according to my words. Amen.


It is the desire of Satan that all of us not repent and be consigned with him to a state of misery and wo for all eternity. It is the will of God that we all repent and partake of the waters of life freely and gain eternal happiness with Him in his kingdom for all eternity.
 
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God the Father is the father of all our spirits:

Yet your scriptures say that he will kill instead of cure the vast majority, even though he could cure them.

Do you see that as actions of a good and moral father?

Regards
DL

You view this life as the end all of existence. But this life is nothing but a small blip on the road map of eternity. Because of God the Father and Jesus Christ, every soul who has come to this earth and received a body will be healed from all sickness and receive an incorruptible immortal body that will continue with them for all eternity, never to die again.

I see the actions of an eternal being who loves us and has given us a chance to be like him if we but repent and come unto him. I see a merciful God whose plan it was to have imperfect spirits follow a path of progression and as they progressed he would make it so they could be forgiven of past mistakes. I see a being who purpose is to raise good children and not condemn them for mistakes that they are willing to overcome. I see a being who loves us enough to give us second chances and also grant to all an immortal body. I see a being who allows us to have free will so that we can progress in character to become good, in and of ourselves, and to feel joy and happiness in overcoming the world. Yes, I see this being as a good and moral father. In all his actions I see Him as a just and merciful being.
 
You word your question deceptively I think. The Trinity has existed for eternity. Is that a limit? Would we be limiting God to say he does exist so he must exist therefore he is limited to existing?
Sophistry.

I do not see deception in what I put and if you did, I am sure you would point it out.

As to your deflection to the Trinity instead of dealing with being brethren to Jesus, I offer the same arguments that have made Christians and the Trinity sound stupid forever.



If the three heads were equal, you might have a point, but your own bible says they are not. I can curse 2 of them and be forgiven while I cannot curse the third and be forgiven.

I this refute your delusional thinking.

Regards
DL
 
Why is there only one begotten son of God? Is he you?


The God sold by Christianity say that God has no limits, yet God is limited to only one begotten son. Or is he?


Is there is only one begotten son of God, Jesus, because you can only create one?


All sons of God are creations of your own mind, gleaned from finding your internal spark of God, as described by Jesus, who states clearly that God is within you. Within you can only exist one God and thus only one son of God. That son of God is yourself, should you choose to follow Jesus’ way.








Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.


John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Are you ready to step up?


Regards

DL


G-d had a son?! Mazel tov! When's the bris?


Christian believe that God coveted Mary, another man's wife, used her to produce a chimera half breed son after cuckolding Joseph, and then became a deadbeat dad by putting his parenting responsibility onto Joseph and Mary.

And they somehow respect that deadbeat woman coveting father.

I wonder if that is why so many Christians are deadbeat dads? Note how in the U.S., 50% of all households are manned by single women.

Do you think that the Christian influence is causing Christian American men to mimic Yahweh and become deadbeat dads?

Regards
DL
 
God the Father is the father of all our spirits:

Hebrews 12:9
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Acts 17:28-29
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29 Forasmuch then as we are the
offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.

Jesus was the firstborn of all of God's spirit children:

Romans 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

But in the flesh Jesus is the only begotten of the Father.

John 1:14

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus was made in the flesh to be part God and part mortal. Also he was perfect and without sin. This gave him greater power in the flesh than fallen man which allowed him to suffer to the extent that he suffered. No mortal man would have been able to suffer to the extent that he suffered. Also his life could not be taken from him unless he chose to lay it down. Because he was part mortal, he could choose to lay down his life. Because he was part God, he was able to take it up again.

John 10:17-18

17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

These attributes were essential for the Christ. There only needed to be one to bring about the atonement necessary to allow the repentant souls to be saved. Only Jesus was worthy to be chosen as the one who could save us if we but repent. The rest of us come to this earth and fall into sin. Jesus was a most excellent spirit before coming to this earth.

Wow.

You do not mind showing your immoral thinking.



You just want to get your get out of hell free card so much, you do not seem to mind kissing Satan's rump.

Do you not even know that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

Tell us please, who is more likely to think it good justice to punish the innocent instead of the guilty? God or Satan?

Answer honestly, if you can.

Regards
DL


Are you a member of Mr. Spong's congregation? Like I said in your other thread, Mr. Spong has given up on Christianity to become a light unto himself. He practices priestcraft. Inflicting justice on the sinner is to consign them to hell. Fortunately through another act of justice, the Father and Son brought about the law of mercy. Because of the recompense for the unjust suffering and death of he who did no sin, Jesus won the right to grant mercy to the penitent at heart. Without repentance, mankind will be subject to the law of justice which will consign the wicked to another kingdom other than the kingdom of heaven. God is not simply a God of justice but also a God of love and mercy. The suffering and death that the sinless Christ bore was unjust! He never deserved to suffer or die. But because both of these injustices were brought upon him, he was deserving of a recompense from the Father to make things just and right to Him. The just act of a recompense allowed Jesus to establish the law of mercy. Without it we would all be damned (your desire for simple justice). But God is a God of love and mercy and he is willing to give us second, third, fourth ... chances to repent of our wickedness and have joy and happiness in the world to come. The atonement involves a just recompense which established the law of mercy without breaking the law of justice.

The just act of the recompense from the Father to Jesus for the injustice he suffered overpowers the demands of simple justice of the law on the sinner under the conditions of repentance. This is known as the Law of Mercy.

Alma 42
1 And now, my son, I perceive there is somewhat more which doth worry your mind, which ye cannot understand—which is concerning the justice of God in the punishment of the sinner; for ye do try to suppose that it is injustice that the sinner should be consigned to a state of misery.
2 Now behold, my son, I will explain this thing unto thee. For behold, after the Lord God sent our first parents forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground, from whence they were taken—yea, he drew out the man, and he placed at the east end of the garden of Eden, cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the tree of life—
3 Now, we see that the man had become as God, knowing good and evil; and lest he should put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat and live forever, the Lord God placed cherubim and the flaming sword, that he should not partake of the fruit—
4 And thus we see, that there was a time granted unto man to repent, yea, a probationary time, a time to repent and serve God.
5 For behold, if Adam had put forth his hand immediately, and partaken of the tree of life, he would have lived forever, according to the word of God, having no space for repentance; yea, and also the word of God would have been void, and the great plan of salvation would have been frustrated.
6 But behold, it was appointed unto man to die—therefore, as they were cut off from the tree of life they should be cut off from the face of the earth—and man became lost forever, yea, they became fallen man.
7 And now, ye see by this that our first parents were cut off both temporally and spiritually from the presence of the Lord; and thus we see they became subjects to follow after their own will.
8 Now behold, it was not expedient that man should be reclaimed from this temporal death, for that would destroy the great plan of happiness.
9 Therefore, as the soul could never die, and the fall had brought upon all mankind a spiritual death as well as a temporal, that is, they were cut off from the presence of the Lord, it was expedient that mankind should be reclaimed from this spiritual death.
10 Therefore, as they had become carnal, sensual, and devilish, by nature, this probationary state became a state for them to prepare; it became a preparatory state.
11 And now remember, my son, if it were not for the plan of redemption, (laying it aside) as soon as they were dead their souls were miserable, being cut off from the presence of the Lord.
12 And now, there was no means to reclaim men from this fallen state, which man had brought upon himself because of his own disobedience;
13 Therefore, according to justice, the plan of redemption could not be brought about, only on conditions of repentance of men in this probationary state, yea, this preparatory state; for except it were for these conditions, mercy could not take effect except it should destroy the work of justice. Now the work of justice could not be destroyed; if so, God would cease to be God.
14 And thus we see that all mankind were fallen, and they were in the grasp of justice; yea, the justice of God, which consigned them forever to be cut off from his presence.
15 And now, the plan of mercy could not be brought about except an atonement should be made; therefore God himself atoneth for the sins of the world, to bring about the plan of mercy, to appease the demands of justice, that God might be a perfect, just God, and a merciful God also.
16 Now, repentance could not come unto men except there were a punishment, which also was eternal as the life of the soul should be, affixed opposite to the plan of happiness, which was as eternal also as the life of the soul.
17 Now, how could a man repent except he should sin? How could he sin if there was no law? How could there be a law save there was a punishment?
18 Now, there was a punishment affixed, and a just law given, which brought remorse of conscience unto man.
19 Now, if there was no law given—if a man murdered he should die—would he be afraid he would die if he should murder?
20 And also, if there was no law given against sin men would not be afraid to sin.
21 And if there was no law given, if men sinned what could justice do, or mercy either, for they would have no claim upon the creature?
22 But there is a law given, and a punishment affixed, and a repentance granted; which repentance, mercy claimeth; otherwise, justice claimeth the creature and executeth the law, and the law inflicteth the punishment; if not so, the works of justice would be destroyed, and God would cease to be God.
23 But God ceaseth not to be God, and mercy claimeth the penitent, and mercy cometh because of the atonement; and the atonement bringeth to pass the resurrection of the dead; and the resurrection of the dead bringeth back men into the presence of God; and thus they are restored into his presence, to be judged according to their works, according to the law and justice.
24 For behold, justice exerciseth all his demands, and also mercy claimeth all which is her own; and thus, none but the truly penitent are saved.
25 What, do ye suppose that mercy can rob justice? I say unto you, Nay; not one whit. If so, God would cease to be God.
26 And thus God bringeth about his great and eternal purposes, which were prepared from the foundation of the world. And thus cometh about the salvation and the redemption of men, and also their destruction and misery.
27 Therefore, O my son, whosoever will come may come and partake of the waters of life freely; and whosoever will not come the same is not compelled to come; but in the last day it shall be restored unto him according to his deeds.
28 If he has desired to do evil, and has not repented in his days, behold, evil shall be done unto him, according to the restoration of God.
29 And now, my son, I desire that ye should let these things trouble you no more, and only let your sins trouble you, with that trouble which shall bring you down unto repentance.
30 O my son, I desire that ye should deny the justice of God no more. Do not endeavor to excuse yourself in the least point because of your sins, by denying the justice of God; but do you let the justice of God, and his mercy, and his long-suffering have full sway in your heart; and let it bring you down to the dust in humility.
31 And now, O my son, ye are called of God to preach the word unto this people. And now, my son, go thy way, declare the word with truth and soberness, that thou mayest bring souls unto repentance, that the great plan of mercy may have claim upon them. And may God grant unto you even according to my words. Amen.


It is the desire of Satan that all of us not repent and be consigned with him to a state of misery and wo for all eternity. It is the will of God that we all repent and partake of the waters of life freely and gain eternal happiness with Him in his kingdom for all eternity.


Did you really expect me to read all that when we are obviously not on the same page?

If you want to chat, lets. If you want to quote long winded garbage, I will ignore it and you.

So what was that long post about?

Regards
DL
 
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In all his actions I see Him as a just and merciful being.

??

Even when he tortured King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing it, all because he was angry with David?

Where is the mercy in that torture and murder of an innocent victim? In the torture or in the murder?

Regards
DL
 
You word your question deceptively I think. The Trinity has existed for eternity. Is that a limit? Would we be limiting God to say he does exist so he must exist therefore he is limited to existing?
Sophistry.

I do not see deception in what I put and if you did, I am sure you would point it out.

As to your deflection to the Trinity instead of dealing with being brethren to Jesus, I offer the same arguments that have made Christians and the Trinity sound stupid forever.



If the three heads were equal, you might have a point, but your own bible says they are not. I can curse 2 of them and be forgiven while I cannot curse the third and be forgiven.

I this refute your delusional thinking.

Regards
DL


You lept around a lot for a short post. Focus.
Is existence a limit?
 
You word your question deceptively I think. The Trinity has existed for eternity. Is that a limit? Would we be limiting God to say he does exist so he must exist therefore he is limited to existing?
Sophistry.

I do not see deception in what I put and if you did, I am sure you would point it out.

As to your deflection to the Trinity instead of dealing with being brethren to Jesus, I offer the same arguments that have made Christians and the Trinity sound stupid forever.



If the three heads were equal, you might have a point, but your own bible says they are not. I can curse 2 of them and be forgiven while I cannot curse the third and be forgiven.

I this refute your delusional thinking.

Regards
DL


You lept around a lot for a short post. Focus.
Is existence a limit?


Yes. It does not include non-existence and is thus limited.

You began speaking of the Trinity and that was my focus.

Regards
DL
 
How do you know existence is a limit? I am sure He has a choice in the matter.
 
I wouldn't worry about the Trinity if I were you. That is a Christian belief. From the earliest days and throughout Christendom.
What religion are you again?
 
I wouldn't worry about the Trinity if I were you. That is a Christian belief. From the earliest days and throughout Christendom.
What religion are you again?

Gnostic Christian and I do not wiry about myths and lies. I just try to have literalist people know that they are myths and lies.

Regards
DL
 
Let me add to the question.


If there is only one begotten son, who are the sons of God spoken of in the O.T.?


Who mothered them?


Regards

DL
 
As I thought. These Internet Cults all have one thing in common...an obsession with proving Christianity wrong. Why is that do you think?
I'm not a literalist in any sense of the word. I believe the Creeds as handed down to me. Its what Christians do. Buddhists may not and Hindus may not but then again they have their own rich traditions. I dont see many Hindu Bible thumpers. Cant say the same for the cyber gnostics.
 
As I thought. These Internet Cults all have one thing in common...an obsession with proving Christianity wrong. Why is that do you think?
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We care because It matters due to the harm moral people see the religious do to the rest of us as well as to themselves.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I.

Why do you promote and defend intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions?

Explain what I see as your immorality.

Regards

DL
 
Let me add to the question.


If there is only one begotten son, who are the sons of God spoken of in the O.T.?


Who mothered them?


Regards

DL

In the pre-mortal world all the spirits who were begotten spiritually of God were considered his sons and daughters. After coming to this earth and entering into a fallen state, those who chose to follow God were called the sons and daughters of God. Those who didn't were called the sons and daughters of men.

Romans 8:14,19
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Men and women who were followers of God were known as the Sons of God and the Daughters of God. Those who chose not to follow God were known as the sons of men and daughters of men. There was a time in the old testament when the Sons and Daughters of God were choosing to marry the sons and daughters of men and not the sons and daughters of God. This lead to their families falling into apostasy and not following the teachings of God.

Moses 8:13-15, 20-22
13 And Noah and his sons hearkened unto the Lord, and gave heed, and they were called the sons of God.
14 And when these men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, the sons of men saw that those daughters were fair, and they took them wives, even as they chose.
15 And the Lord said unto Noah: The daughters of thy sons have sold themselves; for behold mine anger is kindled against the sons of men, for they will not hearken to my voice.

...

20 And it came to pass that Noah called upon the children of men that they should repent; but they hearkened not unto his words;
21 And also, after that they had heard him, they came up before him, saying: Behold, we are the sons of God; have we not taken unto ourselves the daughters of men? And are we not eating and drinking, and marrying and giving in marriage? And our wives bear unto us children, and the same are mighty men, which are like unto men of old, men of great renown. And they hearkened not unto the words of Noah.
22 And God saw that the wickedness of men had become great in the earth; and every man was lifted up in the imagination of the thoughts of his heart, being only evil continually.

 
Let me add to the question.


If there is only one begotten son, who are the sons of God spoken of in the O.T.?


Who mothered them?


Regards

DL

In the pre-mortal world all the spirits who were begotten spiritually of God were considered his sons and daughters. After coming to this earth and entering into a fallen state, those who chose to follow God were called the sons and daughters of God. Those who didn't were called the sons and daughters of men.


Interesting view.

You are aware that Jesus called himself a son of man way more often than son of God. Right?

"After coming to this earth and entering into a fallen state,"

You seemed to have missed the fact that Satan came out of heaven where she had already fallen before men had.

You skip parts you do not seem to like or do not fit the view you have invented for yourself.

Regards
DL
 
Let me add to the question.


If there is only one begotten son, who are the sons of God spoken of in the O.T.?


Who mothered them?


Regards

DL

In the pre-mortal world all the spirits who were begotten spiritually of God were considered his sons and daughters. After coming to this earth and entering into a fallen state, those who chose to follow God were called the sons and daughters of God. Those who didn't were called the sons and daughters of men.


Interesting view.

You are aware that Jesus called himself a son of man way more often than son of God. Right?

"After coming to this earth and entering into a fallen state,"

You seemed to have missed the fact that Satan came out of heaven where she had already fallen before men had.

You skip parts you do not seem to like or do not fit the view you have invented for yourself.

Regards
DL

The reason Jesus called himself the Son of Man is because God the Father is an exalted man.

Moses 6:57
57 Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his presence; for, in the language of Adam, Man of Holiness is his name, and the name of his Only Begotten is the Son of Man, even Jesus Christ, a righteous Judge, who shall come in the meridian of time.

When Jesus died and was resurrected, he had a body.

Luke 24:36-43
36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Jesus is in the exact image and likeness of his Father:

Hebrews 1:1-3
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

This is the reason why Jesus taught his disciples that if they had seen him then they had seen the Father.

John 14:9
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

We were all created in the image of God.

Genesis 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Latter-day revelation has revealed the nature of God:

Doctrine and Covenants 130:22
22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

Thus when Jesus calls himself the "Son of Man" he is referring to his Father who is the Man of Holiness.

 

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