Why not move to Cuba or France if you want socialism?

[tooAlive]

Without even mentioning the hygiene conditions present, here are some of the little things I noticed while going around the hospital.

Every single light switch in the hospital was missing. Lights are turned on and off by manually joining the wires inside the wall. You see, patients and doctors alike steal the switches to sell them on the street. It's how they survive.

I also noticed that all of the wheelchairs I saw in the hospital were missing the rubber on the wheels. After asking one of the doctors about it, he told me that people also steal them to sell them on the street. You'd be surprised just how many things you can do with a rubber wheelchair wheel in Cuba.

Another thing that really got to me was seeing a few patients apparently waiting for a doctor with an IV going into their arm. Now, the IV wasn't inside a little sealed plastic packet like we're used to see them.

Whether from ingenuity or necessity, these IV's were either in a LATEX GLOVE or a SODA BOTTLE cut in half. I'm sure these patients must be immune to infections, because there's absolutely no way NOT to get one from those conditions. That right there literally floored me.

Also, you have to go outside the hospital and into the some bushes to use the bathroom. That is unless you want to catch a disease. All the bathrooms were literally covered in shit. The puddle of shit even extended at least a foot outside the door. Nobody ever cleans them. I even asked one of the nurses, and she calmly shrugged it off telling me they're used to not going to the bathroom either way. So it doesn't matter.

That's just the tip of the iceberg of Cuba's free medical system.

 

[tooAlive]

The Real Cuba website is that of the emigre Batista outcasts.

Communism is no walk in the park today in Cuba as capitalism was a torture for the peasants and the poorer working classes seventy years ago.

When you can post the real story, please do, but one-sided hackery is unnecessary.

Outright fabrication.

I'd happily show you pictures from my trip.

But unfortunately, they didn't allow me to take pictures inside the hospital. I did however find this site that has some pictures of a Cuban hospital.

Although I can honestly say they're nothing compared to what I saw during my trip.

Hospital Clnico Quirrgico

Jake, the only torture for the Cuban people is their own government.

I was lucky enough to have been born here in the US, but both my parents were born there and had to deal with that treacherous government.

I still have much of my family in Cuba, including my grandparents. I've only gone 5 times; the last one being only six months ago.

If you've never been there and obviously have no idea what daily life is like over there, you have no right to call my story fabricated.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are clearly ignoring the back story that informs the story of Cuba today.

Please give us the mission statement of the The Real Cuba website.

I am willing to discuss this in context, from 1940 to today.

 

[Darkwind]

Why not move to Cuba or France if you want socialism?

Why destroy America???? We don't want your rat poison.

You're a child, maybe not chronologically, but still. What makes you believe your opinions are anything but the soundings of a bigot. You are intolerant of any opinion or person who disagrees with your narrow perspectives and hold unabashed extreme opinions mindful of a young man with a smallish mustache bloviating in a beer hall in the last century.

Now turn from the mirror and answer the question.

 

[tooAlive]

You are clearly ignoring the back story that informs the story of Cuba today.

Please give us the mission statement of the The Real Cuba website.

I am willing to discuss this in context, from 1940 to today.

Obviously that website is there to shed light on what really goes on in Cuba. Nobody on the island would consent to any of it, so I'm assuming it's being run by angry expatriates.

Thank you for your PM, I can see that you truly believe in what you're saying. I can't blame you; there's really no way of knowing the sad reality of life in Cuba unless you've visited or can talk to various people who have lived there.

You mentioned that life was a hell hole before Castro.

I'm not quite sure I follow. I've never spoken to an actual Cuban that has ever expressed any such feelings; in fact, it's pretty much the opposite.

My grandfather for example started working for a paper company in the 50's. He started out as a simple worker earning an entry-level wage, and eventually moved up to a management role within the company. He was quite happy, as were those who worked above and below him. Others were able to own their own farms, employ workers, and lived a pretty good life.

There even existed different industries within Cuba that also employed many workers. During the time that Castro was fighting for power, these industries were in their prime. Once he took over, the government basically seized everything and production started to stop. It wasn't shortly after that my grandfather was fired from the paper company along with many others.

It's been a steady downhill decline since then.

So I'm a little stumped as to where you're getting the impression that Cuba was doing so bad before Castro took over. It was actually doing quite well.

 

[shock]

Few questions do more to mark the interrogator as a person of low intellect and little knowledge.

SHOCKLEY

 

[LibertyLemming]

You are clearly ignoring the back story that informs the story of Cuba today.

Please give us the mission statement of the The Real Cuba website.

I am willing to discuss this in context, from 1940 to today.

Go comment on that article I linked if you want to talk about improvements in healthcare since the Glorious Revolution.

 

[tooAlive]

Some have moved to Cuba for medical care. I don't think that's hypocritical at all.

Really? That's the most absurd thing I've read on here.

I know of Cuban family members that have undergone medical procedures there while visiting, and even then it's incredibly risky.

But nobody moves to Cuba for their health care system.

Take your 9 posts and get out of here. And tell your Communist buddies on the island that the rest of the world isn't stupid enough to believe the laughable lies you pathetic minds are churning out.

 

[Pheonixops]

The happiest place on earth is socialist....

For the past decade, social scientists and pollsters have given elaborate questionnaires to hundreds of thousands of people around the globe. Two of the largest studies that rank the happiness of countries around the world are the World Map of Happiness from the University of Leiscester and the World Database of Happiness from Ruut Veenhoven of Erasmus University Rotterdam. All the happiness surveys ask people basically the same question: How happy are you?

"The answer you get is not only how they feel right now, but also how they feel about their entire life," explained Dan Buettner, who has studied happiness and longevity around the world through his Blue Zones project Buettner said that if you mine all the databases of universities and research centers, you'll find that the happiest place on earth is ? Denmark. Cold, dreary, unspectacular Denmark.

Could the Danes really be the happiest people in the world? When ABC News anchor Bill Weir traveled there to find out, he asked random Danes to rate themselves in terms of happiness, on a scale of one to 10. Many people rated themselves at least an eight, and there were several nines and 10s. Finally, one grouchy Dane came along who said she didn't believe Danes were so happy. But then she quickly conceded that she herself felt rather content with her life, and said Danes in general had very little to complain about.
Danes do have one potential complaint: high taxes. The happiest people in the world pay some of the highest taxes in the world -- between 50 percent and 70 percent of their incomes. In exchange, the government covers all health care and education, and spends more on children and the elderly than any country in the world per capita. With just 5.5 million people, the system is efficient, and people feel "tryghed" -- the Danish word for "tucked in" -- like a snug child.
Those high taxes have another effect. Since a banker can end up taking home as much money as an artist, people don't chose careers based on income or status. "They have this thing called 'Jante-lov,' which essentially says, 'You're no better then anybody else,'" said Buettner. "A garbage man can live in a middle-class neighborhood and hold his head high."

Denmark: The Happiest Place on Earth - ABC News

Interesting article.

 

[bripat9643]

The Real Cuba website is that of the emigre Batista outcasts.

On what basis do you call them "outcasts?" They escaped from the Castro regime. They weren't kicked out. Only a commie lover would characterize them as "outcasts." And for your information, most of the original emigres have died of old age.

Communism is no walk in the park today in Cuba as capitalism was a torture for the peasants and the poorer working classes seventy years ago.

Compared to what, fuedalism? 70 years ago Americans had the highest standard of living in the world. What alternative do you propose they should have followed?

When you can post the real story, please do, but one-sided hackery is unnecessary.

When are you going to admit you're a commie posing as a Republican?

 

[bripat9643]

"Real socialism" is what Obama and every other Democrat believes in.

I see. Your version of socialsim is the true meaning of socialism, all distionaries and yes, encyclopedias have it wrong!!!!!!

"Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.

The first sentence of your definition is accurate. However, The former USSR, communist China, North Korea, East Germany, Cuba and Cambodia all fit the definition.

According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members."
socialism -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

I guess encyclopedias are in on the conspiracy too! Bripat, you have get a hold of the non-MSM press and alert them of this and do it right away!

The rest of your "definition" is communist propaganda. The reality of socialism is stifling bureaucracy, a very low standard of living, shoddy products, no technical or scientific advancement, material scarcity, slave labor camps, and mass starvation.

 

[tooAlive]

"Real socialism" is what Obama and every other Democrat believes in.

I see. Your version of socialsim is the true meaning of socialism, all distionaries and yes, encyclopedias have it wrong!!!!!!

"Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources.

The first sentence of your definition is accurate. However, The former USSR, communist China, North Korea, East Germany, Cuba and Cambodia all fit the definition.

According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members."
socialism -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

I guess encyclopedias are in on the conspiracy too! Bripat, you have get a hold of the non-MSM press and alert them of this and do it right away!

The rest of your "definition" is communist propaganda. The reality of socialism is stifling bureaucracy, a very low standard of living, shoddy products, no technical or scientific advancement, material scarcity, slave labor camps, and mass starvation.

This.

 

[LilOlLady]

Why move when we have socialism right here and it works for you and me. American is a long history of socialism working.

Socialism in America

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/04/16-3

 

[LilOlLady]

Conservative rhetoric

Since the late 19th century conservatives use the term "socialism" (or "creeping socialism") as an epithet to attack liberal spending on welfare programs for the poor that enlarge the role of the federal government or lead to higher tax rates. In this sense it has little to do with government ownership of the means of production, or the various Socialist parties. Thus William Allen White attacked presidential candidate William Jennings Bryan in 1896 by warning that, "The election will sustain Americanism or it will plant Socialism." Barry Goldwater in 1960 called for Republican unity against John F. Kennedy and the "blueprint for socialism presented by the Democrats." Ronald Reagan often quoted Norman Thomas, the perennial Socialist nominee for president in the New Deal era, as saying, "The American people would never knowingly vote for Socialism, but that under the name of liberalism, they would adopt every fragment of the socialist program."

History of the socialist movement in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[francoHFW]

The World Book 1960 says socialism is always democratic, and that's what everyone intelligent I talk to thinks- it's the type of system in every modern country but us, and when we get an intelligent health system we'll be on board.

"Now we're all socialists!"- PM of Finland, when O-care passed.

Then there's Communism, now on life support in China, Cuba, and N. Korea...

 

[LilOlLady]

Jesus was a Socialist

A) Is Obama really a Socialist?

B) Is Socialism an entirely bad economic framework?

C) What was the basis of Socialism, where did it start?

Is this "bleeding heart" liberalism? You bet it is! Jesus is the definitive bleeding heart, and he calls us to follow him.
Jesus was a Socialist

A Biblical Basis for Liberal Politics

 

[bripat9643]

The World Book 1960 says socialism is always democratic, and that's what everyone intelligent I talk to thinks-

ROFL! that's what every gullible moron thinks. The USSR and Communist China were both socialist. So is Cuba and North Korea.

it's the type of system in every modern country but us, and when we get an intelligent health system we'll be on board.

"Now we're all socialists!"- PM of Finland, when O-care passed.

Then there's Communism, now on life support in China, Cuba, and N. Korea...

Communism is socialism, nitwit.

 

[francoHFW]

An extreme form of socialism at most. And communism is a political system as well as a economic one, by definition.

Your idea is the old GOP/Cold War confusion/fear mongering BS. And communism has only been put in by violent revolution, never by a slippery slope from socialism. Socialism is just intelligent, fair capitalism.

 

[Truthseeker420]

Did you know Cuba's healthcare ratings plummeted after the Glorious Revoultion?

You think that might be because we bullied the world to impose severe sanctions on Cuba?

 

[LibertyLemming]

Did you know Cuba's healthcare ratings plummeted after the Glorious Revoultion?

You think that might be because we bullied the world to impose severe sanctions on Cuba?

Well it wouldn't change the fact that taxes are akin to slavery but no I think it is because they run a flawaed system. The embargo costs us more money than it does them and there have been state department studies ( I wanna say late 90s) that specifcally state that the Cuban issues are due to massive debts that it has and its refusal to liberalize.