Why pence is okay with FEMA camps for immigrant kids

[Slade3200]

Well unless you do the work to try and understand what’s going on you really don’t know. You’re coming from a place of ignorance

I did the work of trying to imagine situations that would lead to me taking my child on a walk though a desert where I know people sometimes die.


When I was done, I judged parents that did that, as crap.


That bit where you judged me, without knowing what you were talking about? That was you, coming from a place of ignorance.

Well that’s the problem. You tried to imagine what would drive YOU to do it. But these people have a very different life experience than you. It would be like me, a white male, saying that I tried to imagine what it’s like being a single black mother... and the judging her actions and motivations... no, that’s not going to work.

Then what was that shit about me doing the work? Just some shit you said to have an excuse to slam me?


Also, I reject your opinion that we cannot judge other people with empathy and reason. That way lies madness.

Because if you want to understand why somebody does something then ask them! Or engage with them. Or at least watch others interviewing and engaging with them. Learn about their experience and motivations from them not from imagining what you would do. That’s what I mean by putting in the work.

None of that would change the fact that I don't have their "life experience".

YOUR STANDARD.


So, if in your world, it is impossible for me to understand their motivations,


is it equally impossible for them to understand mine? Or is that different?

Your right you will never have their life experience but at least you could learn about it from them and not from your imagination

 

[Correll]

I know that there are very few "experiences" that would lead a good parent to putting their child's life in danger.

Well unless you do the work to try and understand what’s going on you really don’t know. You’re coming from a place of ignorance

I did the work of trying to imagine situations that would lead to me taking my child on a walk though a desert where I know people sometimes die.


When I was done, I judged parents that did that, as crap.


That bit where you judged me, without knowing what you were talking about? That was you, coming from a place of ignorance.

Well that’s the problem. You tried to imagine what would drive YOU to do it. But these people have a very different life experience than you. It would be like me, a white male, saying that I tried to imagine what it’s like being a single black mother... and the judging her actions and motivations... no, that’s not going to work.

Then what was that shit about me doing the work? Just some shit you said to have an excuse to slam me?


Also, I reject your opinion that we cannot judge other people with empathy and reason. That way lies madness.

Empathy is developed by listening and learning about the perspectives and challenges of others. Not just imagining what you’d do.

You ignored what I said about endangering a child. Did you not listen to me? DId you learn about my perspective? My challenges?

 

[Correll]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

when their 'home' is even more dangerous.

Latin America is shit Third World. But it is not a war zone. Hundreds of millions of people live in peace thought the region.

Central America’s Violent Northern Triangle

Latin America Is the Murder Capital of the World

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-new-report-investigates-why/?noredirect=on

Why Are People Fleeing Central America? A New Breed of Gangs Is Taking Over.

when your son is forced to be part of a violent gang or gets killed if he doesn't.... or your daughter is living with the constant threat of rape... then ya - a parent just might want to flee & rightfully so.

Yep. Flee to Mexico, not though Mexico.


By passing though Mexico, a far better country than the shit nations to the south, these people reveal that they are just economic migrants.


That is not just cause to risk a child's life.

 

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Well unless you do the work to try and understand what’s going on you really don’t know. You’re coming from a place of ignorance

I did the work of trying to imagine situations that would lead to me taking my child on a walk though a desert where I know people sometimes die.


When I was done, I judged parents that did that, as crap.


That bit where you judged me, without knowing what you were talking about? That was you, coming from a place of ignorance.

Well that’s the problem. You tried to imagine what would drive YOU to do it. But these people have a very different life experience than you. It would be like me, a white male, saying that I tried to imagine what it’s like being a single black mother... and the judging her actions and motivations... no, that’s not going to work.

Then what was that shit about me doing the work? Just some shit you said to have an excuse to slam me?


Also, I reject your opinion that we cannot judge other people with empathy and reason. That way lies madness.

Empathy is developed by listening and learning about the perspectives and challenges of others. Not just imagining what you’d do.

You ignored what I said about endangering a child. Did you not listen to me? DId you learn about my perspective? My challenges?

threats & theactual witnessing of rape & murder are mighty incentives to leave.

 

[Correll]

That is just a guess on your part, and not a very well supported one. Mexico is a big country, and not all of it is shit.

Ok so what’s your theory? What kind of parent takes a kid on a dangerous journey?

A crap one, if not even NOT a parent, as seems to often be the case.

So the point of this question of yours is to demonize all those coming over and paint them as either traffickers or crappy people?

Have you been to the border and seen these people? Spoken to them? Seen live coverage of interviews? Anything? Where are you drawing these conclusions from?

From the knowledge that it is a dangerous and illegal trek, that no good parent would take their child on.


Thus, pointing that out, is not "demonizing" them, but judging them on their actions.

you're nuts & i'm doubting you have children.

Because I would not walk them though a dangerous desert? THat makes you doubt?

lol!!!!

 

[Correll]

I did the work of trying to imagine situations that would lead to me taking my child on a walk though a desert where I know people sometimes die.


When I was done, I judged parents that did that, as crap.


That bit where you judged me, without knowing what you were talking about? That was you, coming from a place of ignorance.

Well that’s the problem. You tried to imagine what would drive YOU to do it. But these people have a very different life experience than you. It would be like me, a white male, saying that I tried to imagine what it’s like being a single black mother... and the judging her actions and motivations... no, that’s not going to work.

Then what was that shit about me doing the work? Just some shit you said to have an excuse to slam me?


Also, I reject your opinion that we cannot judge other people with empathy and reason. That way lies madness.

Because if you want to understand why somebody does something then ask them! Or engage with them. Or at least watch others interviewing and engaging with them. Learn about their experience and motivations from them not from imagining what you would do. That’s what I mean by putting in the work.

None of that would change the fact that I don't have their "life experience".

YOUR STANDARD.


So, if in your world, it is impossible for me to understand their motivations,


is it equally impossible for them to understand mine? Or is that different?

Your right you will never have their life experience but at least you could learn about it from them and not from your imagination

So, if in your world, it is impossible for me to understand their motivations,


is it equally impossible for them to understand mine? Or is that different?

 

[Slade3200]

Well unless you do the work to try and understand what’s going on you really don’t know. You’re coming from a place of ignorance

I did the work of trying to imagine situations that would lead to me taking my child on a walk though a desert where I know people sometimes die.


When I was done, I judged parents that did that, as crap.


That bit where you judged me, without knowing what you were talking about? That was you, coming from a place of ignorance.

Well that’s the problem. You tried to imagine what would drive YOU to do it. But these people have a very different life experience than you. It would be like me, a white male, saying that I tried to imagine what it’s like being a single black mother... and the judging her actions and motivations... no, that’s not going to work.

Then what was that shit about me doing the work? Just some shit you said to have an excuse to slam me?


Also, I reject your opinion that we cannot judge other people with empathy and reason. That way lies madness.

Empathy is developed by listening and learning about the perspectives and challenges of others. Not just imagining what you’d do.

You ignored what I said about endangering a child. Did you not listen to me? DId you learn about my perspective? My challenges?

Yes, I definitely am learning about your challenges. No doubt.

But you are asking questions about what drives a parent to take these risks with their children and it doesn’t seem like you have any genuine interest to learn why, from them. You've imagined doing that to your kids and concluded that you’d never do such a thing so therefore those that do it must be crappy people or smugglers. It’s just pure ignorance

 

[Correll]

I did the work of trying to imagine situations that would lead to me taking my child on a walk though a desert where I know people sometimes die.


When I was done, I judged parents that did that, as crap.


That bit where you judged me, without knowing what you were talking about? That was you, coming from a place of ignorance.

Well that’s the problem. You tried to imagine what would drive YOU to do it. But these people have a very different life experience than you. It would be like me, a white male, saying that I tried to imagine what it’s like being a single black mother... and the judging her actions and motivations... no, that’s not going to work.

Then what was that shit about me doing the work? Just some shit you said to have an excuse to slam me?


Also, I reject your opinion that we cannot judge other people with empathy and reason. That way lies madness.

Empathy is developed by listening and learning about the perspectives and challenges of others. Not just imagining what you’d do.

You ignored what I said about endangering a child. Did you not listen to me? DId you learn about my perspective? My challenges?

Yes, I definitely am learning about your challenges. No doubt.

But you are asking questions about what drives a parent to take these risks with their children and it doesn’t seem like you have any genuine interest to learn why, from them. You've imagined doing that to your kids and concluded that you’d never do such a thing so therefore those that do it must be crappy people or smugglers. It’s just pure ignorance

No, it is not. YOu are ignoring my challenges, and perspective. YOu are dismissing them, because they do not serve your interests or agenda.

 

[Slade3200]

Well that’s the problem. You tried to imagine what would drive YOU to do it. But these people have a very different life experience than you. It would be like me, a white male, saying that I tried to imagine what it’s like being a single black mother... and the judging her actions and motivations... no, that’s not going to work.

Then what was that shit about me doing the work? Just some shit you said to have an excuse to slam me?


Also, I reject your opinion that we cannot judge other people with empathy and reason. That way lies madness.

Because if you want to understand why somebody does something then ask them! Or engage with them. Or at least watch others interviewing and engaging with them. Learn about their experience and motivations from them not from imagining what you would do. That’s what I mean by putting in the work.

None of that would change the fact that I don't have their "life experience".

YOUR STANDARD.


So, if in your world, it is impossible for me to understand their motivations,


is it equally impossible for them to understand mine? Or is that different?

Your right you will never have their life experience but at least you could learn about it from them and not from your imagination

So, if in your world, it is impossible for me to understand their motivations,


is it equally impossible for them to understand mine? Or is that different?

I never did it was impossible. I said if you want to understand the. The learn from them... not by imagining what it would take for you to do it.

If I say I’ve imagined what it’s like to give birth without learning from an actual woman who has given birth do you think any mother out there would agree that means jack shit?

 

[Slade3200]

Well that’s the problem. You tried to imagine what would drive YOU to do it. But these people have a very different life experience than you. It would be like me, a white male, saying that I tried to imagine what it’s like being a single black mother... and the judging her actions and motivations... no, that’s not going to work.

Then what was that shit about me doing the work? Just some shit you said to have an excuse to slam me?


Also, I reject your opinion that we cannot judge other people with empathy and reason. That way lies madness.

Empathy is developed by listening and learning about the perspectives and challenges of others. Not just imagining what you’d do.

You ignored what I said about endangering a child. Did you not listen to me? DId you learn about my perspective? My challenges?

Yes, I definitely am learning about your challenges. No doubt.

But you are asking questions about what drives a parent to take these risks with their children and it doesn’t seem like you have any genuine interest to learn why, from them. You've imagined doing that to your kids and concluded that you’d never do such a thing so therefore those that do it must be crappy people or smugglers. It’s just pure ignorance

No, it is not. YOu are ignoring my challenges, and perspective. YOu are dismissing them, because they do not serve your interests or agenda.

You’re challenges and perspectives are not in question... those of immigrants are. That’s what we are discussing

 

[Correll]

Then what was that shit about me doing the work? Just some shit you said to have an excuse to slam me?


Also, I reject your opinion that we cannot judge other people with empathy and reason. That way lies madness.

Because if you want to understand why somebody does something then ask them! Or engage with them. Or at least watch others interviewing and engaging with them. Learn about their experience and motivations from them not from imagining what you would do. That’s what I mean by putting in the work.

None of that would change the fact that I don't have their "life experience".

YOUR STANDARD.


So, if in your world, it is impossible for me to understand their motivations,


is it equally impossible for them to understand mine? Or is that different?

Your right you will never have their life experience but at least you could learn about it from them and not from your imagination

So, if in your world, it is impossible for me to understand their motivations,


is it equally impossible for them to understand mine? Or is that different?

I never did it was impossible. I said if you want to understand the. The learn from them... not by imagining what it would take for you to do it.

If I say I’ve imagined what it’s like to give birth without learning from an actual woman who has given birth do you think any mother out there would agree that means jack shit?

Depends on whether they are serious about wanting to communicate or if they are just looking for excuses to dismiss people they don't like.

 

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What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

when their 'home' is even more dangerous.

Latin America is shit Third World. But it is not a war zone. Hundreds of millions of people live in peace thought the region.

Central America’s Violent Northern Triangle

Latin America Is the Murder Capital of the World

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-new-report-investigates-why/?noredirect=on

Why Are People Fleeing Central America? A New Breed of Gangs Is Taking Over.

when your son is forced to be part of a violent gang or gets killed if he doesn't.... or your daughter is living with the constant threat of rape... then ya - a parent just might want to flee & rightfully so.

Yep. Flee to Mexico, not though Mexico.


By passing though Mexico, a far better country than the shit nations to the south, these people reveal that they are just economic migrants.


That is not just cause to risk a child's life.

a huge amount of them have family here - that is why they come here.... & they are to be adjudicated & if determined to not have a legit claim for asylum, then they get sent back. howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... until then, they're not 'illegal' because to claim asylum isn't a crime. splitting up families & crowding 900 of them into a facility thatis only equipped to hold 100 - where people have to stand on toilets just to breathe - or to have lights on 24/7 & no access to soap, toothbrushes, fucking DIAPERS - is a total disgrace that only a vile creature like your president takes pride in creating would make anyone with a conscience want to vomit.

but not you cartoon boy.

 

[Correll]

Then what was that shit about me doing the work? Just some shit you said to have an excuse to slam me?


Also, I reject your opinion that we cannot judge other people with empathy and reason. That way lies madness.

Empathy is developed by listening and learning about the perspectives and challenges of others. Not just imagining what you’d do.

You ignored what I said about endangering a child. Did you not listen to me? DId you learn about my perspective? My challenges?

Yes, I definitely am learning about your challenges. No doubt.

But you are asking questions about what drives a parent to take these risks with their children and it doesn’t seem like you have any genuine interest to learn why, from them. You've imagined doing that to your kids and concluded that you’d never do such a thing so therefore those that do it must be crappy people or smugglers. It’s just pure ignorance

No, it is not. YOu are ignoring my challenges, and perspective. YOu are dismissing them, because they do not serve your interests or agenda.

You’re challenges and perspectives are not in question... those of immigrants are. That’s what we are discussing

Of course they aren't. Because you don't about them. To you, understanding is a one way street.


It is on US to understand them, not the other way around.


That is why your entire argument is sophist nonsense, provided for the sole purpose of dressing up the fact that all you are doing it telling me to shut up and be lectured to.

 

[Correll]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

when their 'home' is even more dangerous.

Latin America is shit Third World. But it is not a war zone. Hundreds of millions of people live in peace thought the region.

Central America’s Violent Northern Triangle

Latin America Is the Murder Capital of the World

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-new-report-investigates-why/?noredirect=on

Why Are People Fleeing Central America? A New Breed of Gangs Is Taking Over.

when your son is forced to be part of a violent gang or gets killed if he doesn't.... or your daughter is living with the constant threat of rape... then ya - a parent just might want to flee & rightfully so.

Yep. Flee to Mexico, not though Mexico.


By passing though Mexico, a far better country than the shit nations to the south, these people reveal that they are just economic migrants.


That is not just cause to risk a child's life.

a huge amount of them have family here - that is why they come here.... & they are to be adjudicated & if determined to not have a legit claim for asylum, then they get sent back. howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... until then, they're not 'illegal' because to claim asylum isn't a crime. splitting up families & crowding 900 of them into a facility thatis only equipped to hold 100 - where people have to stand on toilets just to breathe - or to have lights on 24/7 & no access to soap, toothbrushes, fucking DIAPERS - is a total disgrace that only a vile creature like your president takes pride in creating would make anyone with a conscience want to vomit.

but not you cartoon boy.

They have family here? So fucking what?

It is completely possible for some of a family to live in Mexico, and some of them to live in the US.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER.

 

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when their 'home' is even more dangerous.

Latin America is shit Third World. But it is not a war zone. Hundreds of millions of people live in peace thought the region.

Central America’s Violent Northern Triangle

Latin America Is the Murder Capital of the World

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-new-report-investigates-why/?noredirect=on

Why Are People Fleeing Central America? A New Breed of Gangs Is Taking Over.

when your son is forced to be part of a violent gang or gets killed if he doesn't.... or your daughter is living with the constant threat of rape... then ya - a parent just might want to flee & rightfully so.

Yep. Flee to Mexico, not though Mexico.


By passing though Mexico, a far better country than the shit nations to the south, these people reveal that they are just economic migrants.


That is not just cause to risk a child's life.

a huge amount of them have family here - that is why they come here.... & they are to be adjudicated & if determined to not have a legit claim for asylum, then they get sent back. howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... until then, they're not 'illegal' because to claim asylum isn't a crime. splitting up families & crowding 900 of them into a facility thatis only equipped to hold 100 - where people have to stand on toilets just to breathe - or to have lights on 24/7 & no access to soap, toothbrushes, fucking DIAPERS - is a total disgrace that only a vile creature like your president takes pride in creating would make anyone with a conscience want to vomit.

but not you cartoon boy.

They have family here? So fucking what?

It is completely possible for some of a family to live in Mexico, and some of them to live in the US.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER.

i am telling you why they come here & not stay in mexico. they get adjudicated & the majority are denied. no need to get your panties in a twist.

 

[Correll]

Latin America is shit Third World. But it is not a war zone. Hundreds of millions of people live in peace thought the region.

Central America’s Violent Northern Triangle

Latin America Is the Murder Capital of the World

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-new-report-investigates-why/?noredirect=on

Why Are People Fleeing Central America? A New Breed of Gangs Is Taking Over.

when your son is forced to be part of a violent gang or gets killed if he doesn't.... or your daughter is living with the constant threat of rape... then ya - a parent just might want to flee & rightfully so.

Yep. Flee to Mexico, not though Mexico.


By passing though Mexico, a far better country than the shit nations to the south, these people reveal that they are just economic migrants.


That is not just cause to risk a child's life.

a huge amount of them have family here - that is why they come here.... & they are to be adjudicated & if determined to not have a legit claim for asylum, then they get sent back. howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... until then, they're not 'illegal' because to claim asylum isn't a crime. splitting up families & crowding 900 of them into a facility thatis only equipped to hold 100 - where people have to stand on toilets just to breathe - or to have lights on 24/7 & no access to soap, toothbrushes, fucking DIAPERS - is a total disgrace that only a vile creature like your president takes pride in creating would make anyone with a conscience want to vomit.

but not you cartoon boy.

They have family here? So fucking what?

It is completely possible for some of a family to live in Mexico, and some of them to live in the US.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER.

i am telling you why they come here & not stay in mexico. they get adjudicated & the majority are denied. no need to get your panties in a twist.

They are coached to apply in order to overwhelm the system, by people like you.


They are doing this to the system on purpose.


ALL the problems are their fault.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER. SEND THEM ALL HOME.

 

[playtime]

Central America’s Violent Northern Triangle

Latin America Is the Murder Capital of the World

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-new-report-investigates-why/?noredirect=on

Why Are People Fleeing Central America? A New Breed of Gangs Is Taking Over.

when your son is forced to be part of a violent gang or gets killed if he doesn't.... or your daughter is living with the constant threat of rape... then ya - a parent just might want to flee & rightfully so.

Yep. Flee to Mexico, not though Mexico.


By passing though Mexico, a far better country than the shit nations to the south, these people reveal that they are just economic migrants.


That is not just cause to risk a child's life.

a huge amount of them have family here - that is why they come here.... & they are to be adjudicated & if determined to not have a legit claim for asylum, then they get sent back. howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... until then, they're not 'illegal' because to claim asylum isn't a crime. splitting up families & crowding 900 of them into a facility thatis only equipped to hold 100 - where people have to stand on toilets just to breathe - or to have lights on 24/7 & no access to soap, toothbrushes, fucking DIAPERS - is a total disgrace that only a vile creature like your president takes pride in creating would make anyone with a conscience want to vomit.

but not you cartoon boy.

They have family here? So fucking what?

It is completely possible for some of a family to live in Mexico, and some of them to live in the US.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER.

i am telling you why they come here & not stay in mexico. they get adjudicated & the majority are denied. no need to get your panties in a twist.

They are coached to apply in order to overwhelm the system, by people like you.


They are doing this to the system on purpose.


ALL the problems are their fault.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER. SEND THEM ALL HOME.

coached? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you might wanna put some of the blame on our meddling in that part of the hemisphere.

 

[Correll]

Yep. Flee to Mexico, not though Mexico.


By passing though Mexico, a far better country than the shit nations to the south, these people reveal that they are just economic migrants.


That is not just cause to risk a child's life.

a huge amount of them have family here - that is why they come here.... & they are to be adjudicated & if determined to not have a legit claim for asylum, then they get sent back. howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... until then, they're not 'illegal' because to claim asylum isn't a crime. splitting up families & crowding 900 of them into a facility thatis only equipped to hold 100 - where people have to stand on toilets just to breathe - or to have lights on 24/7 & no access to soap, toothbrushes, fucking DIAPERS - is a total disgrace that only a vile creature like your president takes pride in creating would make anyone with a conscience want to vomit.

but not you cartoon boy.

They have family here? So fucking what?

It is completely possible for some of a family to live in Mexico, and some of them to live in the US.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER.

i am telling you why they come here & not stay in mexico. they get adjudicated & the majority are denied. no need to get your panties in a twist.

They are coached to apply in order to overwhelm the system, by people like you.


They are doing this to the system on purpose.


ALL the problems are their fault.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER. SEND THEM ALL HOME.

coached? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you might wanna put some of the blame on our meddling in that part of the hemisphere.

Sure. Everything is America's fault in the mind of a liberal.

 

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a huge amount of them have family here - that is why they come here.... & they are to be adjudicated & if determined to not have a legit claim for asylum, then they get sent back. howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... until then, they're not 'illegal' because to claim asylum isn't a crime. splitting up families & crowding 900 of them into a facility thatis only equipped to hold 100 - where people have to stand on toilets just to breathe - or to have lights on 24/7 & no access to soap, toothbrushes, fucking DIAPERS - is a total disgrace that only a vile creature like your president takes pride in creating would make anyone with a conscience want to vomit.

but not you cartoon boy.

They have family here? So fucking what?

It is completely possible for some of a family to live in Mexico, and some of them to live in the US.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER.

i am telling you why they come here & not stay in mexico. they get adjudicated & the majority are denied. no need to get your panties in a twist.

They are coached to apply in order to overwhelm the system, by people like you.


They are doing this to the system on purpose.


ALL the problems are their fault.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER. SEND THEM ALL HOME.

coached? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you might wanna put some of the blame on our meddling in that part of the hemisphere.

Sure. Everything is America's fault in the mind of a liberal.

not everything... but certainly some. to deny that is to be a poorly educated trumpanzee.

How Narco States Work


The US war on drugs and its legacy in Latin America

 

[Slade3200]

Because if you want to understand why somebody does something then ask them! Or engage with them. Or at least watch others interviewing and engaging with them. Learn about their experience and motivations from them not from imagining what you would do. That’s what I mean by putting in the work.

None of that would change the fact that I don't have their "life experience".

YOUR STANDARD.


So, if in your world, it is impossible for me to understand their motivations,


is it equally impossible for them to understand mine? Or is that different?

Your right you will never have their life experience but at least you could learn about it from them and not from your imagination

So, if in your world, it is impossible for me to understand their motivations,


is it equally impossible for them to understand mine? Or is that different?

I never did it was impossible. I said if you want to understand the. The learn from them... not by imagining what it would take for you to do it.

If I say I’ve imagined what it’s like to give birth without learning from an actual woman who has given birth do you think any mother out there would agree that means jack shit?

Depends on whether they are serious about wanting to communicate or if they are just looking for excuses to dismiss people they don't like.

Ok, but how would you know whether they are serious or not if you don’t engage?