Why right wing christians are obsessed with israel

[CynthiaZ]

I am a levite

Yeah and I am a direct descendent from Aksucia Princess of Mars. You are just some anonymous person behind a screen there is no way to verify anything you said, in fact if one reads this: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf
there is ample evidence from genetic testing and the historical records that the Palestinians are the descendents of the native Jewish population that converted to Islam. Who am I supposed to believe actual scientist and historians who did this study or a person who goes on the internet and pretends to be both a Levite and a scientist without offering proof. Until you can offer proof of your assertion then I am calling you a liar. Because it is obvious that those with Aaron Y are related to Aaron and not just the Levites because if they were just related to the Levites they would have been just Levi Y

believe anything you wish------your posts prove that you are both vulgar and not too bright ----Your posts also prove that you know nothing about the study of genetics. Most people do not.
Now to help you out-----both AARON and MOSES are of the
tribe of levi--------their genetic material is not available----thus your statement actually makes no sense. BTW----aaron and moses are not the only LEVITES back then-----Korach
was a levite too as were his sons. They have lots of LEVITE descendants (korach died in the desert but his sons survived)<<<that's the story. ---see?---I know----afterall ----its my family

All anyone has to do is read the links to see that you are full of shit.

 

[Avatar4321]

????.....are you suggesting Christians ripped the Torah out of synagogues?....the original Christians were Jews who believed the prophecies of the OT were fulfilled by Jesus......do you somehow think that in doing so they forfeited the right to read the prophesies?......

That's a nice little distortion. The Bible wasn't written by the Jews who became Christians. Bible was combined centuries later by the Catholic Church pick and choosing which texts to include or leave out. The living followers of Jesus usually only had 1 local text/gospel for use. Whole Bibles didn't come about until much later.

?????....the "Whole Bible" is a gathering of documents written by Jews who became the original Christians.....that is hardly a distortion......it can only be avoided by denying history.....

Bibles proper, were official canonized scripture (of the Catholic Church.) In breaking the texts up including (heavily corrupted) versions of the Jewish Tanach, and the NT texts as "The Holy Bible" the Catholics were trying to assume an aire of legitimacy by attaching their new religion to a prior one.

so now your complaint isn't that they "co-opted" Jewish scripture but that they didn't take all of it?........deal with it, D, the first Christians were Jews and Christians had the right to read Jewish texts.......

Sure they did. But the people who made the proper Bible later did not have the right to paste their new non-Jewish reliigon's holy book onto someone else's. Be like if Islam attached Qu'ran onto the end of Revelations.

take it up with God. Your arguments seem completely disingenuous considering you don't care enough to live what you defend

 

[Penelope]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can't be Christian, Mormon, or Muslim without the 'Jew baloney.'

Indeed, for all three religions claim Avraham as a starting point. All four are indeed Abrahamic religions and at least claim to worship the same almighty deity.

That, and Judaism is where the Messiah concept comes from.

That, and Christianity co-opting Hebrew scripture for much of its theology.

NT was wrote in Greek. A lot of paraphrasing from the old, but the Jews stole from the Canaanite who took from the Sumerians, Greek, Persians as well. Hebrew was the Canaanite language.

Penelope----parts of the New Testament was written in Greek. The tanach had by that point already been translated into Greek-----What did the jews steal from
the "CANAANITE" and in what language"? What did the
"CANAANITE" take from the Sumerians, Greek, Persians?
Hebrew was the language which developed amongst jews
-----a community which originated with Abraham who had
migrated from a city in Mesopotamia to Canaan. It is not "Canaanite" ---do you know the CANAANITE alphabet

I have no time tonight but I suggest you research the Sumerian beliefs, which then went to the Canaanties and the Persian, that is why you have two genesis tales, the OT was not put to ink until the Ezra and in Babylon. It all the old religions, then Jesus is Mithraism and Greek with some Roman thrown in. I mean read EZE 16, its right there.

 

[Penelope]

invalid characterization and invalid conclusion......if you choose not to believe your own prophesies that is your choice......your holy texts are still there unchanged....no one has taken anything away from you, therefore nothing has been co-opted......

So if I launched a guerilla movement to go into chruches and rip out the OT portion from their Bibles you'd be cool with that?

????.....are you suggesting Christians ripped the Torah out of synagogues?....the original Christians were Jews who believed the prophecies of the OT were fulfilled by Jesus......do you somehow think that in doing so they forfeited the right to read the prophesies?......

That's a nice little distortion. The Bible wasn't written by the Jews who became Christians. Bible was combined centuries later by the Catholic Church pick and choosing which texts to include or leave out. The living followers of Jesus usually only had 1 local text/gospel for use. Whole Bibles didn't come about until much later.

?????....the "Whole Bible" is a gathering of documents written by Jews who became the original Christians.....that is hardly a distortion......it can only be avoided by denying history.....

Well I guess Pope Francis was right in your case, inside of you there is a little Jew.

Interesting. This once again reminds me that even a broken clock can be right twice a day. (pope comment) Inwardly I am a Jew. The Bible is very clear that the born again believer is inwardly a Jew. Read the King James Bible, Penelope.

And yet most Jews will say they are a race, do you practice Judaism.

I realize that your weird, unfounded hatred drives you (as with all anti-semites) to say weird things, but Judaism is a religion. Jews are first and foremost adherents to a religions. Jews are not a race at all, although some jews share some genetic commonality, but not always. There are chinese Jews who have absolutely no genetic commonality with the overwhelming majority of Jews living in Eretz Yisrael, the land that G-d gave to the Jews many thousands of years ago. Some claim that Jews are simply a culture, but that is not accurate, either.

I have never said that Jews are a race. There are Black Jews, there are Asian jews, there are White Jews, there are hispanic Jews, hell, there are even Jews among the Eskimos of Alaska (also one of the longest-lived of tribes in the world). So, to call Jews a "race" is pretty damned ridiculous.

You might want to discuss this with PM Bibi. So lets see, we have lots of Jews calling themselves a Jew but really are not, got it. (gee that is what Jesus said) Only those who practice Judaism are Jews.

You were to be Jews when you came from the Judea where the Judah tribe lived, now your all Jews, what is it.

You can't have it both ways, with all the intermarriage, no one is a full Jew either.

You call me weird because I don't believe all the Jew baloney, ha ha. Crap you jews don't know who you are.

for further notice, God never gave you anything, only wacked out people believe the fables in your book.

Penelope----why do you continue to talk to yourself addressing topics of which you are utterly ignorant? People call you weird because you express yourself like a psychotic.
No one cares what you believe. God told you what he has done? Does God speak with you often? How do you
know what jews know themselves to be?

Only Zionist call me weird to shut me up. The Jews, your probably a Canaanite princess for all we know. All intermarriaged back in the day and none of you are purebred anymore, you might be half German, Russian or French who knows.

 

[Penelope]

invalid characterization and invalid conclusion......if you choose not to believe your own prophesies that is your choice......your holy texts are still there unchanged....no one has taken anything away from you, therefore nothing has been co-opted......

So if I launched a guerilla movement to go into chruches and rip out the OT portion from their Bibles you'd be cool with that?

????.....are you suggesting Christians ripped the Torah out of synagogues?....the original Christians were Jews who believed the prophecies of the OT were fulfilled by Jesus......do you somehow think that in doing so they forfeited the right to read the prophesies?......

That's a nice little distortion. The Bible wasn't written by the Jews who became Christians. Bible was combined centuries later by the Catholic Church pick and choosing which texts to include or leave out. The living followers of Jesus usually only had 1 local text/gospel for use. Whole Bibles didn't come about until much later.

?????....the "Whole Bible" is a gathering of documents written by Jews who became the original Christians.....that is hardly a distortion......it can only be avoided by denying history.....

Bibles proper, were official canonized scripture (of the Catholic Church.) In breaking the texts up including (heavily corrupted) versions of the Jewish Tanach, and the NT texts as "The Holy Bible" the Catholics were trying to assume an aire of legitimacy by attaching their new religion to a prior one.

Interestingly, as an aside, the Ethiopian Orthodox Canon remains much as it was at the very beginning. Being so far removed from Europe and Rome, it remained more in its' oriignal form unaffected by various Church schizms. Unfortunately, there seems to be no English version of this canon, nor any effort underway to make one. Contents are available though for comparison to KJV/Catholic canons,

The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church

Christianity and the Jewish faith are one in the same on many levels,they are joined at the hip.

No they are not, two different things. the books should never of been attached.

The two books go hand and hand and work together very beautifully.
The book of Daniel goes very well with Revelation and gives more understanding and depth to helping understand Revelation.

Only because they tried to turn Jews into Christians and copied a lot into the NT, but Jesus is an off shoot of Mithraism and Dionysus, Greek with some Roman. The only thing we took from Moses was the 10 commandments and not really them. Jews buried their people twice, Jesus said let the dead bury the dead. May sound a lot alike, but not so. Jews didn't believe in virgin births, nor did they believe the suffering servant is Jesus but Jerusalem. the Jews of the first century were very different as well, Greek and Romanized.

 

[irosie91]

Indeed, for all three religions claim Avraham as a starting point. All four are indeed Abrahamic religions and at least claim to worship the same almighty deity.

That, and Judaism is where the Messiah concept comes from.

That, and Christianity co-opting Hebrew scripture for much of its theology.

NT was wrote in Greek. A lot of paraphrasing from the old, but the Jews stole from the Canaanite who took from the Sumerians, Greek, Persians as well. Hebrew was the Canaanite language.

Penelope----parts of the New Testament was written in Greek. The tanach had by that point already been translated into Greek-----What did the jews steal from
the "CANAANITE" and in what language"? What did the
"CANAANITE" take from the Sumerians, Greek, Persians?
Hebrew was the language which developed amongst jews
-----a community which originated with Abraham who had
migrated from a city in Mesopotamia to Canaan. It is not "Canaanite" ---do you know the CANAANITE alphabet

I have no time tonight but I suggest you research the Sumerian beliefs, which then went to the Canaanties and the Persian, that is why you have two genesis tales, the OT was not put to ink until the Ezra and in Babylon. It all the old religions, then Jesus is Mithraism and Greek with some Roman thrown in. I mean read EZE 16, its right there.

I am fully aware of the Sumerian beliefs and the many many world myths regarding creation and even floods-----.
Your statement that the books of the OT were not
written until Ezra came about is actually nonsense ----
You express yourself as if somewhere along the line
you had a literature teacher who was not too bright and
attempted to teach the HISTORY of writings----your
teacher was stupid----or maybe you did not learn the
stuff correctly. Instead of reading idiot historical
reconstruction----try read

So if I launched a guerilla movement to go into chruches and rip out the OT portion from their Bibles you'd be cool with that?

????.....are you suggesting Christians ripped the Torah out of synagogues?....the original Christians were Jews who believed the prophecies of the OT were fulfilled by Jesus......do you somehow think that in doing so they forfeited the right to read the prophesies?......

That's a nice little distortion. The Bible wasn't written by the Jews who became Christians. Bible was combined centuries later by the Catholic Church pick and choosing which texts to include or leave out. The living followers of Jesus usually only had 1 local text/gospel for use. Whole Bibles didn't come about until much later.

?????....the "Whole Bible" is a gathering of documents written by Jews who became the original Christians.....that is hardly a distortion......it can only be avoided by denying history.....

Interesting. This once again reminds me that even a broken clock can be right twice a day. (pope comment) Inwardly I am a Jew. The Bible is very clear that the born again believer is inwardly a Jew. Read the King James Bible, Penelope.

And yet most Jews will say they are a race, do you practice Judaism.

I realize that your weird, unfounded hatred drives you (as with all anti-semites) to say weird things, but Judaism is a religion. Jews are first and foremost adherents to a religions. Jews are not a race at all, although some jews share some genetic commonality, but not always. There are chinese Jews who have absolutely no genetic commonality with the overwhelming majority of Jews living in Eretz Yisrael, the land that G-d gave to the Jews many thousands of years ago. Some claim that Jews are simply a culture, but that is not accurate, either.

I have never said that Jews are a race. There are Black Jews, there are Asian jews, there are White Jews, there are hispanic Jews, hell, there are even Jews among the Eskimos of Alaska (also one of the longest-lived of tribes in the world). So, to call Jews a "race" is pretty damned ridiculous.

You might want to discuss this with PM Bibi. So lets see, we have lots of Jews calling themselves a Jew but really are not, got it. (gee that is what Jesus said) Only those who practice Judaism are Jews.

You were to be Jews when you came from the Judea where the Judah tribe lived, now your all Jews, what is it.

You can't have it both ways, with all the intermarriage, no one is a full Jew either.

You call me weird because I don't believe all the Jew baloney, ha ha. Crap you jews don't know who you are.

for further notice, God never gave you anything, only wacked out people believe the fables in your book.

Penelope----why do you continue to talk to yourself addressing topics of which you are utterly ignorant? People call you weird because you express yourself like a psychotic.
No one cares what you believe. God told you what he has done? Does God speak with you often? How do you
know what jews know themselves to be?

Only Zionist call me weird to shut me up. The Jews, your probably a Canaanite princess for all we know. All intermarriaged back in the day and none of you are purebred anymore, you might be half German, Russian or French who knows.

you did not answer the simple questions I asked you about things YOU wrote that you CLAIMED to
KNOW. You are, clearly,, a pile of shit.
I bear a name of a princess------not from canaan---
but from Mesopotamia. It is a family name. I doubt
that you have any idea from which dung heap you
were spawned-----you have a family legacy of illiteracy
and filth. BTW----Abraham was from Mesopotamia----
his wife was a princess He knew how to write and he and his community of Hebrews developed the
Hebrew language in the land of Canaan. ----somewhere around Beersheba (that's in southern
Israel now) When are you going to tell me about the CANAANITE ALPHABET that you claim you
know about

 

[irosie91]

So if I launched a guerilla movement to go into chruches and rip out the OT portion from their Bibles you'd be cool with that?

????.....are you suggesting Christians ripped the Torah out of synagogues?....the original Christians were Jews who believed the prophecies of the OT were fulfilled by Jesus......do you somehow think that in doing so they forfeited the right to read the prophesies?......

That's a nice little distortion. The Bible wasn't written by the Jews who became Christians. Bible was combined centuries later by the Catholic Church pick and choosing which texts to include or leave out. The living followers of Jesus usually only had 1 local text/gospel for use. Whole Bibles didn't come about until much later.

?????....the "Whole Bible" is a gathering of documents written by Jews who became the original Christians.....that is hardly a distortion......it can only be avoided by denying history.....

Bibles proper, were official canonized scripture (of the Catholic Church.) In breaking the texts up including (heavily corrupted) versions of the Jewish Tanach, and the NT texts as "The Holy Bible" the Catholics were trying to assume an aire of legitimacy by attaching their new religion to a prior one.

Interestingly, as an aside, the Ethiopian Orthodox Canon remains much as it was at the very beginning. Being so far removed from Europe and Rome, it remained more in its' oriignal form unaffected by various Church schizms. Unfortunately, there seems to be no English version of this canon, nor any effort underway to make one. Contents are available though for comparison to KJV/Catholic canons,

The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church

Christianity and the Jewish faith are one in the same on many levels,they are joined at the hip.

No they are not, two different things. the books should never of been attached.

The two books go hand and hand and work together very beautifully.
The book of Daniel goes very well with Revelation and gives more understanding and depth to helping understand Revelation.

Only because they tried to turn Jews into Christians and copied a lot into the NT, but Jesus is an off shoot of Mithraism and Dionysus, Greek with some Roman. The only thing we took from Moses was the 10 commandments and not really them. Jews buried their people twice, Jesus said let the dead bury the dead. May sound a lot alike, but not so. Jews didn't believe in virgin births, nor did they believe the suffering servant is Jesus but Jerusalem. the Jews of the first century were very different as well, Greek and Romanized.

where did you get this crap? you read it in some comic book?

 

[irosie91]

So if I launched a guerilla movement to go into chruches and rip out the OT portion from their Bibles you'd be cool with that?

????.....are you suggesting Christians ripped the Torah out of synagogues?....the original Christians were Jews who believed the prophecies of the OT were fulfilled by Jesus......do you somehow think that in doing so they forfeited the right to read the prophesies?......

That's a nice little distortion. The Bible wasn't written by the Jews who became Christians. Bible was combined centuries later by the Catholic Church pick and choosing which texts to include or leave out. The living followers of Jesus usually only had 1 local text/gospel for use. Whole Bibles didn't come about until much later.

?????....the "Whole Bible" is a gathering of documents written by Jews who became the original Christians.....that is hardly a distortion......it can only be avoided by denying history.....

Bibles proper, were official canonized scripture (of the Catholic Church.) In breaking the texts up including (heavily corrupted) versions of the Jewish Tanach, and the NT texts as "The Holy Bible" the Catholics were trying to assume an aire of legitimacy by attaching their new religion to a prior one.

Interestingly, as an aside, the Ethiopian Orthodox Canon remains much as it was at the very beginning. Being so far removed from Europe and Rome, it remained more in its' oriignal form unaffected by various Church schizms. Unfortunately, there seems to be no English version of this canon, nor any effort underway to make one. Contents are available though for comparison to KJV/Catholic canons,

The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church

Christianity and the Jewish faith are one in the same on many levels,they are joined at the hip.

No they are not, two different things. the books should never of been attached.

The two books go hand and hand and work together very beautifully.
The book of Daniel goes very well with Revelation and gives more understanding and depth to helping understand Revelation.

Only because they tried to turn Jews into Christians and copied a lot into the NT, but Jesus is an off shoot of Mithraism and Dionysus, Greek with some Roman. The only thing we took from Moses was the 10 commandments and not really them. Jews buried their people twice, Jesus said let the dead bury the dead. May sound a lot alike, but not so. Jews didn't believe in virgin births, nor did they believe the suffering servant is Jesus but Jerusalem. the Jews of the first century were very different as well, Greek and Romanized.

Penelope-----stop quoting the reader's digest

 

[irosie91]

So if I launched a guerilla movement to go into chruches and rip out the OT portion from their Bibles you'd be cool with that?

????.....are you suggesting Christians ripped the Torah out of synagogues?....the original Christians were Jews who believed the prophecies of the OT were fulfilled by Jesus......do you somehow think that in doing so they forfeited the right to read the prophesies?......

That's a nice little distortion. The Bible wasn't written by the Jews who became Christians. Bible was combined centuries later by the Catholic Church pick and choosing which texts to include or leave out. The living followers of Jesus usually only had 1 local text/gospel for use. Whole Bibles didn't come about until much later.

?????....the "Whole Bible" is a gathering of documents written by Jews who became the original Christians.....that is hardly a distortion......it can only be avoided by denying history.....

Bibles proper, were official canonized scripture (of the Catholic Church.) In breaking the texts up including (heavily corrupted) versions of the Jewish Tanach, and the NT texts as "The Holy Bible" the Catholics were trying to assume an aire of legitimacy by attaching their new religion to a prior one.

Interestingly, as an aside, the Ethiopian Orthodox Canon remains much as it was at the very beginning. Being so far removed from Europe and Rome, it remained more in its' oriignal form unaffected by various Church schizms. Unfortunately, there seems to be no English version of this canon, nor any effort underway to make one. Contents are available though for comparison to KJV/Catholic canons,

The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church

Christianity and the Jewish faith are one in the same on many levels,they are joined at the hip.

No they are not, two different things. the books should never of been attached.

The two books go hand and hand and work together very beautifully.
The book of Daniel goes very well with Revelation and gives more understanding and depth to helping understand Revelation.

Only because they tried to turn Jews into Christians and copied a lot into the NT, but Jesus is an off shoot of Mithraism and Dionysus, Greek with some Roman. The only thing we took from Moses was the 10 commandments and not really them. Jews buried their people twice, Jesus said let the dead bury the dead. May sound a lot alike, but not so. Jews didn't believe in virgin births, nor did they believe the suffering servant is Jesus but Jerusalem. the Jews of the first century were very different as well, Greek and Romanized.

Penelope----you are trying to discuss books you never read by throwing fragments of silly idiot writings around. What does "we took...." mean? Jesus was a person ----he was not Mithraism-----
I think you are tying ---albeit not well----to say that the
early Christians were influenced by the religion
Mithraism.-------the sentence>>>> "the jews of the first century were different as well....." makes no sense. When using a COMPARATIVE---like
"different" the "different has to refer to something----"different" from what? Jews have ---still extant---
extensive writings from the first century. People who read books do not have to GUESS and CONJECTURE as do you.. If you want to know about jews of the first century-----feel free to ask.

 

[Penelope]

All of the tribes

All the tribes. So does that mean everyone who is a direct genetic descendent?

Not sure how anyone can be an indirect genetic descendant.

The Lord is calling all of the tribes, but as with any family only a remnant will respond. Many will not be converted until He returns. But the gathering has begun and the restoration under way

Recent genetic testing has shown us that the Palestinian people are in actuality descendents of the native Jewish that converted to Islam. Testing has shown that the Palestinans are closely related to both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews as well as being closely related to the Samaritans. The Y doesn't lie.

Palestinian people - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nether does the Bible that says;
Abraham is their Father and each come from a different Mother.
They all claim that Abraham is their Father.

Abraham was not a jew, but from the land of UR .

 

[Penelope]

????.....are you suggesting Christians ripped the Torah out of synagogues?....the original Christians were Jews who believed the prophecies of the OT were fulfilled by Jesus......do you somehow think that in doing so they forfeited the right to read the prophesies?......

That's a nice little distortion. The Bible wasn't written by the Jews who became Christians. Bible was combined centuries later by the Catholic Church pick and choosing which texts to include or leave out. The living followers of Jesus usually only had 1 local text/gospel for use. Whole Bibles didn't come about until much later.

?????....the "Whole Bible" is a gathering of documents written by Jews who became the original Christians.....that is hardly a distortion......it can only be avoided by denying history.....

Bibles proper, were official canonized scripture (of the Catholic Church.) In breaking the texts up including (heavily corrupted) versions of the Jewish Tanach, and the NT texts as "The Holy Bible" the Catholics were trying to assume an aire of legitimacy by attaching their new religion to a prior one.

Interestingly, as an aside, the Ethiopian Orthodox Canon remains much as it was at the very beginning. Being so far removed from Europe and Rome, it remained more in its' oriignal form unaffected by various Church schizms. Unfortunately, there seems to be no English version of this canon, nor any effort underway to make one. Contents are available though for comparison to KJV/Catholic canons,

The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church

Christianity and the Jewish faith are one in the same on many levels,they are joined at the hip.

No they are not, two different things. the books should never of been attached.

The two books go hand and hand and work together very beautifully.
The book of Daniel goes very well with Revelation and gives more understanding and depth to helping understand Revelation.

Only because they tried to turn Jews into Christians and copied a lot into the NT, but Jesus is an off shoot of Mithraism and Dionysus, Greek with some Roman. The only thing we took from Moses was the 10 commandments and not really them. Jews buried their people twice, Jesus said let the dead bury the dead. May sound a lot alike, but not so. Jews didn't believe in virgin births, nor did they believe the suffering servant is Jesus but Jerusalem. the Jews of the first century were very different as well, Greek and Romanized.

Penelope----you are trying to discuss books you never read by throwing fragments of silly idiot writings around. What does "we took...." mean? Jesus was a person ----he was not Mithraism-----
I think you are tying ---albeit not well----to say that the
early Christians were influenced by the religion
Mithraism.-------the sentence>>>> "the jews of the first century were different as well....." makes no sense. When using a COMPARATIVE---like
"different" the "different has to refer to something----"different" from what? Jews have ---still extant---
extensive writings from the first century. People who read books do not have to GUESS and CONJECTURE as do you.. If you want to know about jews of the first century-----feel free to ask.

Oh irosie your ignorance is astounding. the story of Jesus, if he was a really a man is not about Jesus, but about Mithra and Greek ideologies.

 

[Penelope]

????.....are you suggesting Christians ripped the Torah out of synagogues?....the original Christians were Jews who believed the prophecies of the OT were fulfilled by Jesus......do you somehow think that in doing so they forfeited the right to read the prophesies?......

That's a nice little distortion. The Bible wasn't written by the Jews who became Christians. Bible was combined centuries later by the Catholic Church pick and choosing which texts to include or leave out. The living followers of Jesus usually only had 1 local text/gospel for use. Whole Bibles didn't come about until much later.

?????....the "Whole Bible" is a gathering of documents written by Jews who became the original Christians.....that is hardly a distortion......it can only be avoided by denying history.....

Bibles proper, were official canonized scripture (of the Catholic Church.) In breaking the texts up including (heavily corrupted) versions of the Jewish Tanach, and the NT texts as "The Holy Bible" the Catholics were trying to assume an aire of legitimacy by attaching their new religion to a prior one.

Interestingly, as an aside, the Ethiopian Orthodox Canon remains much as it was at the very beginning. Being so far removed from Europe and Rome, it remained more in its' oriignal form unaffected by various Church schizms. Unfortunately, there seems to be no English version of this canon, nor any effort underway to make one. Contents are available though for comparison to KJV/Catholic canons,

The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church

Christianity and the Jewish faith are one in the same on many levels,they are joined at the hip.

No they are not, two different things. the books should never of been attached.

The two books go hand and hand and work together very beautifully.
The book of Daniel goes very well with Revelation and gives more understanding and depth to helping understand Revelation.

Only because they tried to turn Jews into Christians and copied a lot into the NT, but Jesus is an off shoot of Mithraism and Dionysus, Greek with some Roman. The only thing we took from Moses was the 10 commandments and not really them. Jews buried their people twice, Jesus said let the dead bury the dead. May sound a lot alike, but not so. Jews didn't believe in virgin births, nor did they believe the suffering servant is Jesus but Jerusalem. the Jews of the first century were very different as well, Greek and Romanized.

Penelope----you are trying to discuss books you never read by throwing fragments of silly idiot writings around. What does "we took...." mean? Jesus was a person ----he was not Mithraism-----
I think you are tying ---albeit not well----to say that the
early Christians were influenced by the religion
Mithraism.-------the sentence>>>> "the jews of the first century were different as well....." makes no sense. When using a COMPARATIVE---like
"different" the "different has to refer to something----"different" from what? Jews have ---still extant---
extensive writings from the first century. People who read books do not have to GUESS and CONJECTURE as do you.. If you want to know about jews of the first century-----feel free to ask.

The Jews of the 1st century were as vulgar as the Jews in Ezekiel .

 

[MaryAnne]

All of the tribes

All the tribes. So does that mean everyone who is a direct genetic descendent?

If the Bible is accurate,we all came from the same two people,Adam and Eve.

Wouldn't that mean we are all brothers and sisters? No argument,here,just a question.

 

[MaryAnne]

We are aware of the prophecies in the Bible concerning the gathering of Israel and the restoration of them to God.

Does this "restoration" include all who are descended from the people of Ancient Israel or just those who practice Judaism?

I am anxious to hear the answer to that one.

 

[DriftingSand]

Something Jews alway have known about the goyims professed"love" for us Jews and israel , it is their sick delusional twisted end times fantasies. That is what drives them in how they "think"

On the Road to Armageddon How Evangelicals Became Israel s Best Friend by Timothy P. Weber - Beliefnet.com

Some truth to your OP. Fortunately for me ... I'm one Christian who hasn't fallen into that trap and bought into the false doctrine. I adhere to the following passage of Scripture:

2 Corinthians 6:14-16, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

 

[JWBooth]

Something Jews alway have known about the goyims professed"love" for us Jews and israel , it is their sick delusional twisted end times fantasies. That is what drives them in how they "think"

On the Road to Armageddon How Evangelicals Became Israel s Best Friend by Timothy P. Weber - Beliefnet.com

Poor guano, obsessed with discrediting his own point of view with constant inanities.

 

[Hollie]

Something Jews alway have known about the goyims professed"love" for us Jews and israel , it is their sick delusional twisted end times fantasies. That is what drives them in how they "think"

On the Road to Armageddon How Evangelicals Became Israel s Best Friend by Timothy P. Weber - Beliefnet.com

Some truth to your OP. Fortunately for me ... I'm one Christian who hasn't fallen into that trap and bought into the false doctrine. I adhere to the following passage of Scripture:

2 Corinthians 6:14-16, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Most cults have similar doctrines wherein they separate the in-group from those they demonize as outside of the cult's membership.

 

[DriftingSand]

We are aware of the prophecies in the Bible concerning the gathering of Israel and the restoration of them to God.

Some things to consider:

1) The Jews living in Israeli do not constitute ALL of Israel. There are 12 tribes ... not just one.
2) Salvation will come to those who have faith in Jesus Christ, plus nothing. Ones DNA will not save his soul.
3) James sent his letter to the "twelve tribes scattered abroad." (James 1:1). That means that "Israel" can be found in many geographical locations other than Palestine (Israeli).
4) The term "Jew" is not synonymous with the term "Israel." Following is biblical confirmation:

Hebrews 8:8, "For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah." Israel and Judah (Jews) are seen as two, separate groups.

James 1:1, "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting."

Revelation 7:4-8, "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand."

 

[DriftingSand]

Something Jews alway have known about the goyims professed"love" for us Jews and israel , it is their sick delusional twisted end times fantasies. That is what drives them in how they "think"

On the Road to Armageddon How Evangelicals Became Israel s Best Friend by Timothy P. Weber - Beliefnet.com

Some truth to your OP. Fortunately for me ... I'm one Christian who hasn't fallen into that trap and bought into the false doctrine. I adhere to the following passage of Scripture:

2 Corinthians 6:14-16, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

Most cults have similar doctrines wherein they separate the in-group from those they demonize as outside of the cult's membership.

You're probably right about that but I'm not interested in what cults are up to. I'm a Christian and only concern myself with biblical doctrine.

 

[DriftingSand]

No, it isn't. There are many born again believers who do not believe in a pre - Tribulation Rapture, Guno. I'm one of them. I'm not expecting an early departure from the greatest hour of trial the world has ever faced - the Tribulation. It will be all out war on the Church - the greatest trial of our faith we will ever face (the true Church -not the antichrist Whore of Babylon claiming to be "The Church").

If you will study the Scriptures you will learn that Abraham was justified by faith. Not by his works. Those who are born again Believers are justified by faith. By faith we have been adopted into the Family of God. Although some of us were born Gentiles - inwardly we are Jews and Abraham is indeed the Father of our Faith. Your book is my book - my book is your book if you are inwardly a Jew and hopefully you will one day be because athough you may be a Jew outwardly it avails you nothing in eternity if you reject your Messiah which is the only way to enter into heaven. I look towards that day when the prophecy of Zechariah will be fulfilled and the Jewish people will see Messiah face to face and see the nail scars in his hands and in his feet and ask him, Lord, what are those wounds in your hands? And he will tell them, Those are the wounds that I received in the house of my friends. Then there will be a moment of realizing this is Jesus, Christ Crucified, Our Messiah.

It is written:

And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer,Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
Zechariah 13:6

If you thought the reunion of Joseph and his brothers was moving just wait until you see the reunion between Jesus Christ and His own Brethren. You haven't seen anything yet. That story is a picture of the story of Christ and His own brethren, Guno. Of which you are one. When you say the things you say, Guno? I know that you do not know what you are doing. I do not hold it against you. I believe that one day you will know and then you will say, how could I have been so blind?

Well I guess Pope Francis was right in your case, inside of you there is a little Jew.

Interesting. This once again reminds me that even a broken clock can be right twice a day. (pope comment) Inwardly I am a Jew. The Bible is very clear that the born again believer is inwardly a Jew. Read the King James Bible, Penelope.

And yet most Jews will say they are a race, do you practice Judaism.

I realize that your weird, unfounded hatred drives you (as with all anti-semites) to say weird things, but Judaism is a religion. Jews are first and foremost adherents to a religions. Jews are not a race at all, although some jews share some genetic commonality, but not always. There are chinese Jews who have absolutely no genetic commonality with the overwhelming majority of Jews living in Eretz Yisrael, the land that G-d gave to the Jews many thousands of years ago. Some claim that Jews are simply a culture, but that is not accurate, either.

I have never said that Jews are a race. There are Black Jews, there are Asian jews, there are White Jews, there are hispanic Jews, hell, there are even Jews among the Eskimos of Alaska (also one of the longest-lived of tribes in the world). So, to call Jews a "race" is pretty damned ridiculous.

You might want to discuss this with PM Bibi. So lets see, we have lots of Jews calling themselves a Jew but really are not, got it. (gee that is what Jesus said) Only those who practice Judaism are Jews.

You were to be Jews when you came from the Judea where the Judah tribe lived, now your all Jews, what is it.

You can't have it both ways, with all the intermarriage, no one is a full Jew either.

You call me weird because I don't believe all the Jew baloney, ha ha. Crap you jews don't know who you are.

for further notice, God never gave you anything, only wacked out people believe the fables in your book.

Some truth to your statement. The Bible tells us that there will be those who "call themselves Jews (members of the tribe of Judah) but are not."

Revelation 2:9, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

Revelation 3:9, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

Here's what Jesus called many of the religious Jews of His day:

John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Matthew 3:7, "But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

Matthew 12:34, "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."

Matthew 23:33, "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"

Matthew 23:13, "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."

Christ called members of the Rabbinical Priesthood of Judaism: "Children of their father the devil"; a "generation of vipers"; and "hypocrites." He certainly didn't come across as all lovey-dovey where the religious "Jews" were concerned.